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16:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Although I read your reasoning, I'm still confused as to how this resulted in "delete" rather than "no consensus". Erpert blah, blah, blah... 16:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
- See dot points 3 and 4 - neither the arguments against the award qualifying nor the ones about meeting PORNBIO not necessarily precluding deletion were adequately contested. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:00, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
- In point #3, you stated: "On the question whether the XRCO awards satisfy the PORNBIO criterion, most of the arguments in that regard are just assertions..." PORNBIO actually states that one form of notability is by being a member of the XRCO Hall of Fame. If the XRCO Awards weren't notable, why would its hall of fame be?
- In point #4, as far as "delete" !voters mentioning WHYN and NRVE, well, none of them had actually provided proof on why the sources in the article weren't reliable. Most of the sources were indeed third-party sources.
- Not trying to take up too much of your time, but the result is just baffling to me. (Normally, I would request userfying it because she had also done some mainstream work, but I don't know if that would be fair because I'm not the one who created the article.) Erpert blah, blah, blah... 22:22, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
- At first, I did consider that a "no consensus" case, but upon further reading the considerations of #3 and #4 indicated that the consensus was to delete. I think it's perfectly possible that only the XRCO Hall of Fame satisfies the PORNBIO guidance and that this does not cascade down to the other XRCO Awards (see also Steve Quinn's argument). Mayhaps that's why it is specifically mentioned. And concerns about independence and reliability (press releases typically aren't considered reliable enough, as indicated on WP:IRS) were described in the discussion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:31, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
- I don't remember any discussions where the notability of the Superslut of the Year award was under question—and there actually have been discussions about other individual awards; for example, Best Solo Sex Scene doesn't count by itself (I'll provide a diff if you like when I can find one). And even if that didn't count, what about the mainstream work she has done? Erpert blah, blah, blah... 22:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
- At first, I did consider that a "no consensus" case, but upon further reading the considerations of #3 and #4 indicated that the consensus was to delete. I think it's perfectly possible that only the XRCO Hall of Fame satisfies the PORNBIO guidance and that this does not cascade down to the other XRCO Awards (see also Steve Quinn's argument). Mayhaps that's why it is specifically mentioned. And concerns about independence and reliability (press releases typically aren't considered reliable enough, as indicated on WP:IRS) were described in the discussion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:31, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
- Not trying to take up too much of your time, but the result is just baffling to me. (Normally, I would request userfying it because she had also done some mainstream work, but I don't know if that would be fair because I'm not the one who created the article.) Erpert blah, blah, blah... 22:22, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
RfC: Protect user pages by default
A request for comment is available on protecting user pages by default from edits by anonymous and new users. I am notifying you because you commented on this proposal when it was either in idea or draft form. Funcrunch (talk) 17:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus. I'm trying to understand this AFD which you just closed. My impression of AfD is that it is a forum to discuss if we should keep the standalone article: the outcome of an AFD may be a keep, delete, redirect, merge, usefy, transwiki or no-consensus. It does not always have to be a delete. A vote for redirect is actually an alternative to deletion (considering that it involves removing the content and redirecting the article). I often propose a redirect when I see it valuable to keep the article title, but don't think it requires a standalone article. Although termed as "Articles for deletion", in practice AfD is the forum where we decide what to do with an article. When a bold redirect is undone, the next step is usually an AfD. Thus, I would like to understand why this was a clear keep instead of a redirect or no-consensus. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:05, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Lemongirl1942 I tripped over the limitations of the close tool; it didn't contain an option for little to no support for deletion, no consensus between redirect or keep as a separate page. In my mind, there were too many reasonable arguments against a redirect and deciding which one is the right choice is an editorial decision that needs to be addressed by a follow up discussion. I think it should be changed to "no consensus", yes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yup no consensus is fine with me!
Thank you! Btw, I was not aware of an automatic tool to close AfDs. Is it part of the admin-tools or is it a script which other editors can use as well? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:17, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, there is such a close script - the bottom one on User:Jo-Jo Eumerus/vector.js. Can be used by non-admins too, it postpends a non-admin closure tag and presumably it can't do deletions for non-admins. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:48, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yup no consensus is fine with me!
- I don't have a problem with the outcome, but I also think votes for redirection should be counted towards deletion, not retention: a vote for redirect is a vote for obliterating the article's content, not merging. A redirect is just a search courtesy and could be created by anyone following a "delete" close. Rebbing 11:59, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Depends on how the rest of the argument is worded; if the redirect is suggested because the topic is not notable or because the article content is irredeemably junk, then I am more inclined to delete. In this discussion, it seemed a bit more like "better covered elsewhere". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:13, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- In that case, I would have expected the voters to vote for merging, not redirection. Rebbing 12:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- I vote a redirect over deletion for 2 reasons - 1. To preserve the article history in case the subject becomes notable later in their own right. 2. For a valid search term. In addition, I often vote redirect (although I mean a merge) possibly because I have seen most other editors voting in the same pattern. Whether they want an explicit redirect or a merge is usually clear by the explanation. In this case, I voted for an explicit redirect as the article didn't really have any usable information at the time I voted. I have however seen AfDs being closed as a merge although editors voted redirect - this depends on the discretion of the closer. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:06, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- There is also "delete then redirect", if the name is useful as a redirect but the page content was objectionable (say full of spam. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:52, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- I vote a redirect over deletion for 2 reasons - 1. To preserve the article history in case the subject becomes notable later in their own right. 2. For a valid search term. In addition, I often vote redirect (although I mean a merge) possibly because I have seen most other editors voting in the same pattern. Whether they want an explicit redirect or a merge is usually clear by the explanation. In this case, I voted for an explicit redirect as the article didn't really have any usable information at the time I voted. I have however seen AfDs being closed as a merge although editors voted redirect - this depends on the discretion of the closer. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:06, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- In that case, I would have expected the voters to vote for merging, not redirection. Rebbing 12:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Hi all, just to add one more perspective, I really take Rebbing's point that redirect votes in contrast to merge are votes for wiping out the content, and thus more like delete votes--but, very unfortunately, I'm not sure everyone participating at AfD is so mindful of this distinction (I honestly hadn't thought about it so clearly myself until I read this discussion--I will def be more careful with whether I say redirect or merge in the future!), so I think Jo-Jo Eumerus is right to take editors' elaboration of their reasoning into account, and I only hope all closers are performing the work so thoroughly. FWIW, I saw DGG say recently:
- ...nor have we ever found a satisfactory way of dealing and enforcing all the various combination article and merge possibilities, or preventing merges from being destructive, or following up on decisions to keep, provided that promotionalism is removed or the article is improved in other ways. We can deal with keep/delete decisions much better than anything involving content. (here)
- I really agree it's an area that could do with more clarity, so thanks to all for work on this ambiguous one, I agree no consensus is an appropriate outcome from the way this AfD unfolded. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:08, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
- Closing such discussions is a bit of an art. Ideally, one should find the opinion that most closely approximates everyone's opinion. And consider which policies apply as well. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
- Depends on how the rest of the argument is worded; if the redirect is suggested because the topic is not notable or because the article content is irredeemably junk, then I am more inclined to delete. In this discussion, it seemed a bit more like "better covered elsewhere". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:13, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
I haven't checked one other aspect of your move, but in terms of the case itself, you did everything correctly until this edit. Your removal of the SPIarchive notice template screwed it up (it wouldn't have archived properly, either). Although I appreciate your trying to help, when a clerk puts a case in admin status, it's generally best to let an an admin who's part the SPI team take care of the request.--Bbb23 (talk) 09:37, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Boo. Guess that I need to familiarize with these templates and thingies more. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:42, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic User:UW Dawgs: You smell like poo!. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 06:15, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Seems like a premature ANI. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion would be a better venue, if it's actually worth pursuing something I am not entirely convinced of. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:51, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
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17:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Need your approval
Hi, Jo-Jo - would you be so kind as to check the this video clip and let me know if I followed proper procedures? I sent an email to en-permissions as well. Before I advise our project team the clip is available I wanted to make sure I did it correctly. I have a few other video clips from that same documentary that I'd like to upload so any advice you can give will be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Atsme📞📧 20:53, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- Greetings, Atsme. I don't think that that clip can meet the WP:NFCC criteria right now - one could reasonably take a video of a horse-birth (is that "foaling"?) and freely license it, meaning that using a non-free clip violates WP:NFCC#1. Also, it's currently unused (WP:CSD#F5) but since the rationale says it will be used in Horse breeding that can be rectified - but failing only one of the NFCC criteria is enough to delete a non-free media. That is, we can use clips from that documentary only when they are under a free license. I see you are saying you are the copyright holder, so an appropriate permission email from some official website (has that documentary an official website) is probably the best way to provide a free license. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:59, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- But the combo of Shatner's famous stallion Sultan's Great Day breeding a mare is not available anywhere else. If quality public domain footage of a mare foaling and/or a stallion breeding a mare were that easy to come by, where are they? I'll gladly upload one of them to use on the Horse breeding article. One last thought - I have no way to show webm clips to Project Equine members enmasse unless I upload them first. I'd much rather avoid the potential frustration of having our work deleted over a technicality, speculation or a presumption. I have other clips of Sultan's Great Day to upload from that doc, but again - I'd rather make sure we're all the same page, and everything is in order before investing the extra effort. Atsme📞📧 21:31, 5 September 2016 (UTC) Add-on: you mentioned "official site" - would this work? I won't be adding the clips to any of the articles because of a potential COI - already went through that nightmare on some fish articles even though images and video are treated quite differently from self-citing. 21:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- The NFCC criteria are highly pedantic - that a free video hasn't been created yet does not mean it could not be created in the future. I wonder if Montanabw or Ealdgyth may have some media of this kind - they are the only horse people I know of here. Sorry for being so negative, but NFCC is one of the most deletionist policies here - if not the most deletionist one. Now if an article could be written entirely around
Shatner's famous stallion Sultan's Great Day breeding a mare
- or at least a very substantial section - then using the non-free clips may work. Or, the clips could be put under a free license, which is what you are doing anyway it seemed to me? As for showing the clips to the Equine project, can they watch them somewhere? Finally for the official website question, putting a Wikipedia-compatible license somewhere there would be one way to prove the license (I presume that you are sole copyright owner and that there aren't other people who hold co-copyrights?). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)- Yes, I am the sole copyright owner of the documentary. Sorry, but I don't interpret the policy the same way you do. If the footage is not available, then it's not available, and if it can't be created right now or even in a few days, then it can't be created. It's not like a "stop-action" toy story that you can create at will. The policy reads: where no free equivalent is available, or could be created - emphasis on FREE. That doesn't imply that we should wait infinitely. There is a small window of opportunity to capture footage of a mare foaling and even then it's pot luck. The doc was produced in 1993 - it has run it's course as commercial value which is the only reason I'm willing to offer it free to WP. Mares don't exactly tell you when they're going to foal. If a miracle happens, and free footage suddenly become available, then the NonFree footage can be replaced - not a big deal. I'm not even sure if Project Equine even wants to use the clip - if not, this is all a moot point. Atsme📞📧 22:24, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- In that case (-->you being the sole copyright owner) the clip should simply be uploaded as a free file under a free license, I believe. Falling asleep now, though, so I'll have to stop here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:28, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- Responding to a ping. My take is that basically WP and especially Commons wants stuff that can be used and reused by anyone for free, so if you want to keep some artistic or ownership control over the content beyond a copyleft requirement for attribution (which is widely ignored), "teh wiki" doesn't want it. So if you release it under a creative commons license - 3.0 or 4.0 or whatever it is this week - then it's fine. (Basically Atsme, I think you accidentally made it too complicated.) Just basically demonstrate "I did it, I own it, I can prove I own it via the OTRS system (which is, basically, send me an email so I can prove I'm me) and I release it under XYZ license". Montanabw(talk) 05:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thx, Montanabw, but please read the discussion on my TP before you jump to conclusions. I pinged Jo-Jo as well. Some things I can do "freely", others I can't. It has nothing to do with ownership control over content on my part and everything to do with license 3rd party license agreements. The very nature of a nationally televised special tends to make things a bit more involved than simply snapping a photograph or shooting home video and uploading it under a CC-BY-SA 4.0 license. While I own the copyright to the documentary itself, there are some restrictions applied when you separate 3rd party stock footage into stand-alone clips. I uploaded it with the proper license and description as I am legally authorized to do per the license agreements, and that is why it is NONFREE which has nothing to do with the copyright attached to the documentary. Anyway, see my TP. Atsme📞📧 06:11, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
- Responding to a ping. My take is that basically WP and especially Commons wants stuff that can be used and reused by anyone for free, so if you want to keep some artistic or ownership control over the content beyond a copyleft requirement for attribution (which is widely ignored), "teh wiki" doesn't want it. So if you release it under a creative commons license - 3.0 or 4.0 or whatever it is this week - then it's fine. (Basically Atsme, I think you accidentally made it too complicated.) Just basically demonstrate "I did it, I own it, I can prove I own it via the OTRS system (which is, basically, send me an email so I can prove I'm me) and I release it under XYZ license". Montanabw(talk) 05:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
- In that case (-->you being the sole copyright owner) the clip should simply be uploaded as a free file under a free license, I believe. Falling asleep now, though, so I'll have to stop here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:28, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, I am the sole copyright owner of the documentary. Sorry, but I don't interpret the policy the same way you do. If the footage is not available, then it's not available, and if it can't be created right now or even in a few days, then it can't be created. It's not like a "stop-action" toy story that you can create at will. The policy reads: where no free equivalent is available, or could be created - emphasis on FREE. That doesn't imply that we should wait infinitely. There is a small window of opportunity to capture footage of a mare foaling and even then it's pot luck. The doc was produced in 1993 - it has run it's course as commercial value which is the only reason I'm willing to offer it free to WP. Mares don't exactly tell you when they're going to foal. If a miracle happens, and free footage suddenly become available, then the NonFree footage can be replaced - not a big deal. I'm not even sure if Project Equine even wants to use the clip - if not, this is all a moot point. Atsme📞📧 22:24, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- The NFCC criteria are highly pedantic - that a free video hasn't been created yet does not mean it could not be created in the future. I wonder if Montanabw or Ealdgyth may have some media of this kind - they are the only horse people I know of here. Sorry for being so negative, but NFCC is one of the most deletionist policies here - if not the most deletionist one. Now if an article could be written entirely around
- But the combo of Shatner's famous stallion Sultan's Great Day breeding a mare is not available anywhere else. If quality public domain footage of a mare foaling and/or a stallion breeding a mare were that easy to come by, where are they? I'll gladly upload one of them to use on the Horse breeding article. One last thought - I have no way to show webm clips to Project Equine members enmasse unless I upload them first. I'd much rather avoid the potential frustration of having our work deleted over a technicality, speculation or a presumption. I have other clips of Sultan's Great Day to upload from that doc, but again - I'd rather make sure we're all the same page, and everything is in order before investing the extra effort. Atsme📞📧 21:31, 5 September 2016 (UTC) Add-on: you mentioned "official site" - would this work? I won't be adding the clips to any of the articles because of a potential COI - already went through that nightmare on some fish articles even though images and video are treated quite differently from self-citing. 21:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Technically, when I pinged you I was wondering if you know how to obtain videos of mares giving birth. Atsme, if you did include other people's work in your documentary, then separate parts of it can have different copyrights. If you did record the video of the horse birth, then you'd still be the copyright holder on it - unless you were acting as an employee of someone else while doing so, see work for hire. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:54, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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If you are thinking of closing the deletion discussion tomorrow please be aware that
- the article has been protected since the start of the discussion so that it cannot be improved (this has never happened before and is an absolute bar to deletion)
- keep !votes have been removed
- comment pointing to the weakness of the opposing arguments has been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.218.211 (talk) 17:55, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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Halloween Howls Comedy Festival
Hello Jo Jo, Can you please tell me why this page has been deleted? Is there any way for me to get it undeleted?
Regards,
4eyedraven — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4eyedraven (talk • contribs) 15:49, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
- @4eyedraven: Greetings! The reason I deleted the page was because the folks at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Halloween Howls Comedy Festival had decided that the page was an advertisement and didn't meet the WP:GNG guideline about which topics can have dedicated articles here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello Jo Jo, It is not an advertisement, at least that was not my intention. It is as factual as I can make it. I am still researching it, as I have to find more information about the years which are missing. I used other similar pages as a template. Can you please tell me what I should do to improve it? Regards,
4eyedraven 4eyedraven (talk) 16:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
- Best way would probably be to assemble sources that satisfy the WP:GNG requirements. Assuming that they exist, of course, otherwise we may not be able to restore such an article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:50, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello Jo Jo, I used the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_for_Laughs among other sites for ideas. I put as many citations as I could find. I don't see the difference between the page I made and the above mentioned page. Can you please tell me what I need to remove or add to stop the page appearing to be an advertisement.
4eyedraven4eyedraven (talk) 17:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
- 4eyedraven None of the sources on the old article seems good, honestly. We need reliable sources and especially the first one doesn't look like that. Removing all the redlinks and the adjectives ("humorous") would be a way to fix an advertisement, but that will be moot if good sourcing cannot be found. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:54, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Good Morning Jo Jo, Your advice is appreciated, can you please reinstate the page to my sandbox so may amend and improve it? 4eyedraven4eyedraven (talk) 09:19, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- @4eyedraven: It is now at User:4eyedraven/sandbox2. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:20, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Good Evening Jo Jo, many thanks for reinstating the page. I have now edited it, can you have a quick look and see if it is okay now? 4eyedraven (talk) 20:07, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Deletion of Bookmyshow
Dear Jo-Jo Eumerus,
Can you please help me with the major reason for deletion of Bookmyshow wiki page. I want to work on that page and was actively looking for reference to support. You can see that lot of pages are linking to bookmyshow inside wikipedia as well.
Can you please restore Bookmyshow page for further work. Please advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiranhota (talk • contribs) 08:46, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Greetings, Kiranhota The folks at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bookmyshow considered the page was far too promotional (talking way too much about all services the group offers, for example) and that there are not enough sources independent from the group that discuss it (doesn't meet WP:CORP, in policy terms). I am not sure that these issues can be resolved at all - maybe starting from scratch on Draft:Bookmyshow and submitting it to the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process makes more sense. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:17, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
First Leap
Hello, Trying to add a Company (First Leap) that has done great Non-profit work and has done great work to move along the treatment of Autism. Raised over 80k for Autism Research. Founded two Non-profit Event to raise money and awareness. Published several Parent Training Manuals to help families .
Let me know why that does not follow under the notable criteria.
Page was a work in progress. Info was not added yet. Please remove Deletion tag and allow some time to work on the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quake20044 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks [[[User:Quake20044|Trey]] (talk) 02:03, 8 September 2016 (UTC)]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Quake20044 (talk • contribs) 22:09, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Quake20044: The article did at no point explain why the company is important or significant enough to merit an article. And while not strictly relevant to the deletion reason, we need evidence that it meets WP:NCORP as well before having an article on it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:05, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Thai stadiums AfD
For clarification, does your delete ruling in the mass AfD for Thai stadiums apply to all the ones on the list, even the ones for professional teams? I noticed those ones weren't deleted and there didn't seem to be consensus to do so, unlike the others. It might be helpful to clarify this in your closure statement. Thanks. Smartyllama (talk) 12:55, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
- I've amended the close and removed the remnant tags. The others are "no consensus" cases - the keep argument is not overly strong but systemic bias can affect the way a topic is covered - Oakshade linked to Wikipedia:Systemic bias which indicates that Internet searches can under-represent non-English topics. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:54, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying. That's what I would have thought too. Smartyllama (talk) 15:02, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Draft:Danny Boy Styles
Alanzadeh1 has attempted to recreate Danny Boy Styles; each time the article has appeared to be identical to what existed at the time of the AfD. Could you take a look at Draft:Danny Boy Styles and opine on whether it's improved since the AfD? I'd like another opinion, and as the closing admin, you're the next person to ask. —C.Fred (talk) 17:03, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
- Correction C.Fred, it is not identical, it is very similar since that is the same person, same age, same name, same songs, etc..that is the factual information of who Danny Boy Styles is. I have corrected the errors in the original article that warranted the AfD, and resourced the biography as requested. There isn't more I can do to a page that is 100% factual.:— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanzadeh1 (talk • contribs)
- Seems like the draft uses the same sources as the version I deleted because the AfD deemed the sources insufficient, plus one trivial list-like source. So I don't think that draft is improved enough. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:09, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
- What about the Music Week interview? That's a new one. It does give coverage of Styles (Schofield), but a lot of it is in the context of a production team. —C.Fred (talk) 00:57, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
- That one may be better, but I am not terribly experienced with what kinds of sources are expected in articles on music. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:50, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
- What about the Music Week interview? That's a new one. It does give coverage of Styles (Schofield), but a lot of it is in the context of a production team. —C.Fred (talk) 00:57, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
- Seems like the draft uses the same sources as the version I deleted because the AfD deemed the sources insufficient, plus one trivial list-like source. So I don't think that draft is improved enough. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:09, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Question for the talk page watchers
So, I did look at this page and I see Number of page watchers: 55(...)Number of page watchers who visited recent edits: 41
. I have the talk page on my watchlist, but who are you people who add the remaining 40/54? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:30, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
- I edited here once before, but I'm not sure which side of the fraction I belong. I tend to have a lot of pages watchlisted, especially the likes of admins. Interesting and informative places, in the main. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:45, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Query close
RE: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AVN Award for BBW Performer of the Year
Hi Jo-Jo. I think you made a mistake with your close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AVN Award for BBW Performer of the Year, mainly due to the result being an unacceptable redirect, unacceptable because there is zero coverage of the topic at the target. Yes "one of the keep !voters" supported the redirect, but note that the keep !voters were clearly in support of a non-consensus position. There is no non-promotional coverage of this topic anywhere (as stated in the AfD nomination and supported by the discussion), and so there is no justification of coverage in Wikipedia, and there is no coverage. The redirect does not help anyone looking for this topic, they would be better off to be shown the deletion log. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:46, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Greetings, SmokeyJoe. The main reason why I did perform a redirect was to preserve the history for the case that someone might gain useful material from it, seeing as some people did suggest material could be saved from it - or the article if reliable independent sources were found. That is easier to do with a redirect rather than a deletion. Also, even if the keep case clearly didn't gain consensus, that does not by default mean that opinions supporting a redirect as a second option after keeping don't count especially when the redirect case in the AfD was not contested. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:32, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think I will let a related DRV (Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Karla_Lane) play out, before further considering taking the redirect to RfD if coverage of the award fails to be added to the redirect target. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
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- The RevisionSlider will be available as a beta feature on all wikis from 13 September. This will make it easier to navigate between diffs in the page history. [16]
- A new user right will allow most users to change the content model of pages. [17][18]
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Freedom Wolfs
I'm thinking of an indefinite block here until he shows that he will comply with our copyright policy. He never uses talk pages. Doug Weller talk 19:40, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
- Pinging Freedom Wolfs - maybe a block threat (or just a discussion thereof) is needed to get them to respond. It seems like they tried to remedy the issues with the latest uploads by marking them as fair use, but the missing fair use rationales are still an issue. And in light of the files that BigrTex nominated for deletion a week ago I suspect that Special:ListFiles/Freedom Wolfs has a lot more non-free/copyvio files that are unsuitable for us. If more uploads with such issues occur, then yes a block would be in order, but trying to talk to them in non-template language may help. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:51, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
- Looking a bit around (WP:RSN for example) it seems like Freedom Wolfs has also problems in other fields of their editing. Cynical me says they are going to be blocked/[topic] banned soon for POV issues, thus. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:56, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
- Take a look at what I've said on their talk page. Editors who don't or even worse can't communicate sooner or later become a serious problem. This editor can communicate as is shown by their use of edit summaries, so that isn't an issue here. Doug Weller talk 20:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
- I have problems accepting the fair use rational that Freedom Wolfs has just added to many of the images that were up for deletion. These images are not just simple photos of the deceased - they are photos that have been manipulated for propaganda effect, with each having a false background added containing an Azerbaijan flag. This must raise questions over the appropriateness of the fair use rational for these copyrighted images (they are not neutral images, and someone has taken time to produce them and make them part of a large series of similar photos). There must be un-manipulated photos out there which would better qualify for fair use status. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Take a look at what I've said on their talk page. Editors who don't or even worse can't communicate sooner or later become a serious problem. This editor can communicate as is shown by their use of edit summaries, so that isn't an issue here. Doug Weller talk 20:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
- Looking a bit around (WP:RSN for example) it seems like Freedom Wolfs has also problems in other fields of their editing. Cynical me says they are going to be blocked/[topic] banned soon for POV issues, thus. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:56, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Query about Sumeeti Mittal
Hi, You have deleted the Sumeeti Mittal page recently. I had created the page and would like to know the reasons for deletion. Could you please restore the page so that the required changes can be made. Noopur Anand (talk) 06:47, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- Greetings, Noopur Anand. Given what was said in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sumeeti Mittal I don't think that "the required changes can be made" because there are apparently no reliable sources of information on the subject. Unfortunately, we usually cannot have articles on topics which don't have such sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Rajath Mayee and Heidelberg Police Department AfDs
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajath Mayee "given the low input despite two relists"; that isn't quite accurate, as I had just relisted it for the second time on the same day (a couple hours before) you closed it. Same with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heidelberg Police Department.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 01:30, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Oi, no idea how I missed these. I've backed out the closes - I know that relists don't reset the closure clock but it seems better to see if the second relists do something. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:47, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
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Problems
- Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back because of bugs. Creating new accounts did not work between 15 September 19:10 UTC and 16 September 12:50 UTC. [19][20]
Changes this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will hopefully be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 September. It will be on all wikis from 22 September (calendar). This is the version that was meant to go out last week.
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Future changes
- Wikidata will start working on adding support for Wiktionary. The Wikidata development team is now taking one last look at the development plan. [21]
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