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DYK nomination of Sine Cerere et Baccho friget Venus

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If you still have contacts at the BM

If you still have dealings with the BM, can you at some point (decidedly non-urgent) ask them if they have any objections to releasing their copy of Una Alarmed into the public domain? Of the surviving copies I can find, this seems to be the highest quality, and as-and-when I get round to writing William Etty I'd like to use it as a good example of how Etty's followers (which in practice were just Frost and Millais) developed on his style. Commons has a b/w lithograph but I'd rather use a coloured version if possible. (The original cartoon seems to have vanished off the face of the earth; everyone else seems to think the V&A have it but they say they don't, and it doesn't appear in their catalogue.) I know under the WMF's morally dubious "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain" policy, Commons has already granted itself the right to steal from other peoples' websites, but I'm reluctant to do so, especially given that the BM is explicitly claiming copyright. – iridescent 14:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@Iridescent: Hi, if you're interested in Etty, much of his archive and collection has ended up at York Art Gallery and the York Museum Trust where my GLAMwiki project is based, would love to help you improve his article if possible? What do you think? Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 10:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

PatHadley, I intend to wipe and rebuild from scratch his biography at some point; the current bio is largely plagiarised from his 19th-century DNB entry and is really not fit for purpose. (I recently removed some outright lies about a non-existent collection of his works in the NGS, but that's just scratching the surface; it still contains such gems as "he was famous for painting in the nude".) I want to get articles on his most significant works up and ready before I start on the biography itself; I have The Sirens and Ulysses, The Destroying Angel and Candaules complete, but I'd like to get a few more of the most significant works as stand-alone articles—and an adequate biography of Etty's sidekick William Edward Frost—to avoid having to discuss them in detail in the article itself. (Someone has just created an article on Youth & Pleasure, but it has a decent claim to be the poorest quality art history article I've ever seen, and I fully intend to overwrite it as if it had never existed.)

The current version of The Wrestlers has strange red streaking which isn't visible on the original, when viewed at resolutions above about 300px.

I'd be glad of help from the YAG, but would suggest the best approach would be if I rewrite the biography, and then turn it over to the YAG for any corrections/additions they want to make, rather than have multiple people trying to write at once. (Etty is a relatively easy topic from a Wikipedia point of view, as there have only been six significant academic works published on him in the last century, all of which are sitting on the shelf in front of me, so he's one of the rare topics where it's genuinely possible to meet the "thorough survey of the relevant literature" holy grail.)

One thing you could ask the YAG to assist with, if they're willing, is to re-photograph The Wrestlers. The version currently on Commons has something weird going on with the colour balance, making the reds far too intense and thus creating strange scarlet auras for the particiants (the effect is particularly noticeable at higher resolutions, if you zoom in on either of the wrestlers' heads—compare the version on the YAG's own website). The YAG do presumably already have high quality photographs of the piece, as there's a full-page illustration of it in the catalogue to their 2011 Art & Controversy exhibition.

It would also be helpful to ask if they have any upcoming events for which they'd like the various articles' TFA appearances held back; some of the more garish images like The Sirens and Ulysses will be pure clickbait in the TFA slot, and will have the potential to send quite a bit of traffic their way. Sirens and The Destroying Angel both got about 12,000 pageviews in the relatively ignored DYK slot—I'd conservatively estimate that in the more prominent TFA slot they'd get around 50,000 and 30,000 pageviews respectively.

(Feel free to reply on my talk, if you don't want to clutter John's talk page.) – iridescent 14:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

GM food RFC

Note about this RfC where you !voted or commented. I tweaked the statement to make it more clear that it is about eating GM food and health. I'm notifying each person who !voted, in case that matters to you. Sorry for the trouble. Jytdog (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Openwork

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DYK for Sine Cerere et Baccho friget Venus

Thanks for helping with the main page Victuallers (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to Peer Review

Hello. I noticed that you're active at the Maya FAC, and I wondered if you would be interested in providing some feedback at Wikipedia:Peer review/Chetro Ketl/archive1. RO^(talk) 16:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Chape

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DYK for Pax (liturgical object)

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1953 chalk ware cameo

How much would this be worth HCHAMPI (talk) 06:20, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

No idea Johnbod (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

1953 chalk ware cameo

Bought at an estate sale for $5 for pair...looked expensive HCHAMPI (talk) 06:22, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Nainsukh

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Ednam

Normally I'd never link somewhere so obscure without at least a county or district, but Ednam is to Scottish poetry what St Ives is to English painting or Shildon is to heavy engineering. If it were anyplace with sensible boundaries, I'd have included and linked Roxburghshire to make it clear where it is, but our Caledonian cousins have in their wisdom messed about with all their county boundaries, and Ednam is now in Scottish Borders which would be a complete anachronism if included in a 19th-century article. We have exactly the same problem with places like Saddleworth (historically and culturally Yorkshire, but administratively Manchester, and thus by implication Lancashire), with places like Uxbridge which still consider themselves Middlesex even though they've been part of London for decades, and with the Lincolnshire half of Humberside. I used to have the same problem with disused railway stations as well; I never did find a satisfactory solution other than linking the town and leaving the county off, and that's before we get into the mess of places like Alsace or Königsberg. – iridescent 15:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

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No - it isn't - see 19 June Johnbod (talk) 01:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for your help (pass it on) Victuallers (talk) 12:01, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Eadwine Psalter

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revwd Template:Did you know nominations/Michael I Komnenos Doukas - sorry, forgot this was o/s Johnbod (talk) 13:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Dora Billington

Would you care to look at my message on the talk page there? Thanks. Pelarmian (talk) 15:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm just about to go away, so won't be able to do anything for a while. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 15:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Flemish Hunting Deck

Hi Johnbod, I noticed that on the page Flemish Hunting Deck you changed "Courtyears Hunting Set" to "Courtier's Hunting Set". Someone else made the same change a while back. You seem to know a bit about art so I hoped you can enlighten me because as a native speaker of Dutch: Hofjaren/Courtyears, hof=court jaren=years. But maybe I'm unfamiliar with a term here. Crispulop (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Courtier is a word in English but Courtyear isn't. What do years have to do with it? Johnbod (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Hofjaren is not an official word in Dutch either, that's why I provided a direct translation from the loose words. The Dutch word for courtier is hoveling, which hofjaren clearly is not a misspelling of. I'll scrap the translation from the article as it proves to be confusing and is not mentioned in the sources. Crispulop (talk) 17:03, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that's best. Johnbod (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Art Jewelry Forum

Hello, I am working on a pet project to help digitize information about the field of metalsmithing+jewelry. I started with making a page for Art jewelry forum (AJF), and have a list of artists that I would like to make pages for as well. The AJF page has been nominated for deletion because it is questioned if the organization is "notable". I am reaching out to you because I saw that you edited some pages that relate to studio craft, and thought you may have an informed opinion (unlike the mathematician who nominated the page for deletion) about whether or not it is a "notable organization". If you have an opinion, one way or another, please way in on the articles for deletion discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Art_jewelry_forumClarefinin (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Travelling at the moment, but you need stronger independent refs. Johnbod (talk) 21:16, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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Ok, I'm away at the moment - will respond over the weekend. Johnbod (talk) 06:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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Elfshot

Thanks for revising the Elfshot page, Johnbod. If you don't mind, I'll do some more work on it, as I've done some of the main academic work on this area. But it'll involve citing some of my own publications, so I'd appreciate it if you'd then look the article over to see if you think I've got the balance right. Does that sound okay to you? Thanks! Alarichall (talk) 10:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Certainly. Just let mer know when to look. Thanks, Johnbod (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Johnbod. Now the dust has settled on the Maya civilization FAC, I just wanted to say many thanks for taking the time to review the article, and for supporting its promotion - after an epic haul it made FA at the weekend. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations, again, on such a splendid article on a huge topic! I'm sure it seemed like it was going on forever, but I suppose its good that so many reviewers went into detail. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 13:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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Ceramic arts refs

Hi, good to hear from you, and thanks for weighing in. The issue on that article is that an editor doesn't want to know that the article needs reffing because, he argues, it's in summary style, so that's all right then. I hope he'll bow to the inevitable soon. As it happens, I started adding refs to wholly uncited sections, and, running out of time before hols, slapped a wholly justified tag on it, which was promptly removed. I put it back along with an open-and-shut case, which the guy is, remarkably, arguing with. Hence the sermon. I'm (as you know) pretty hands-on with reffing up articles and cutting out the WP:OR, but I don't recall ever coming across someone who boldly claimed it didn't apply to them! All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't think he means that - he adds lots of refs on other stuff. When there are lots of refs to more detailed articles, hopefully with their own refs, the need to ref up broad topical articles does become a bit less urgent, I think. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 02:25, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Word count at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles/Evidence

It's fine to be a little over the limit; we usually don't enforce the limit by trimming until the user has been notified and chooses to do nothing for 24 hours. I didn't even notify you, so it was basically fine to begin with, but don't feel the urge to spend time making it exactly 500 words or whatever. Though I will note, usually people use the evidence space to present some diffs as well, not just a statement. Thanks. (Message made in capacity as an arbitration clerk.) L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 19:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Done now. I have added a few links, which I'm not counting towards the limit. Johnbod (talk) 20:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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TFA on Mary's birthday

Thank you for the "almost supernaturally beautiful panel painting" gracing the day, precious again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks Gerda! Johnbod (talk) 13:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Edmé-Antoine Durand ‎

I saw your contribution on the Louvre article in 2011 and I thought you might help me. There is a mistake in the article Edmé-Antoine Durand. It should be spelled 'Edme-Antoine Durand', since he died in 1835 and the spelling 'Edmé' only appeared around 1850. Could you please change the title? I am a new editor and I don't know how to do it. Thank you. There is a mistake in the article Edmé-Antoine Durand. It should be spelled 'Edme-Antoine Durand', since he died in 1835 and the spelling 'Edmé' only appeared around 1850.Againstdisinformation (talk) 21:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

But the British Museum uses 'Edmé', though French WP doesn't. We should use whatever most modern sources use. Johnbod (talk) 04:37, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	I don't know if you're the type to really care for shiny things, but it's a small token of my appreciation for your fine work on here over the years John! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks! Johnbod (talk) 15:01, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Jacob van Ruisdael PR

Hello. I wondered if you would be interested in providing some feedback on Jacob van Ruisdael, which I recently nominated for GA. It's in a queue on Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations. I would really appreciate your insights. Edwininlondon (talk) 12:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Very nice! I never know what the GA criteria really mean - there is only one reviewer so they are applied in wildly different ways, but this is at least at the standard of most GAs. Most of our DGA painter bios are awful, so its great to see one taken up. I hope you'll do more. Johnbod (talk) 15:00, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Any chance you have time to do an official review to progress it to GA status? I'd be most grateful. Edwininlondon (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid I never do GA reviews (unlike WP:FAC ones), & I don't think you are supposed to solicit them. You may have a bit of a wait I'm afraid, though reviewers may find this more tempting that the rest of the arts queue. Johnbod (talk) 17:30, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

BMJ

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Medical conference

You mentioned in the pub that someone mooted the idea of a Wikipedia Medical Conference. That is really growing on me. Was Martin in on that discussion? (He did a great job with that science conference.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 03:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Possibly - I can't quite remember. NB, btw, this lot - did you see the Proj Med talk section above yours? Off to bed now - keep well & again it was great to see you! Johnbod (talk) 03:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Yep. I was looking at all the Washington submissions yesterday. I do think a dedicated medicine conference is needed, though. How about that WT:MED talk section two above mine! That essay is a good start but I'd like to see something with more exhaustive coverage. (I thought it was a bit late for you.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 04:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Attribution

Johnbod this edit [1] seems like content borrowed from another wiki article. Yes/no? Anyways, if it is, please remember to attribute the other article. No biggie. --Lucas559 (talk) 18:12, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

No, it isn't. I'm not sure why you would think it was. If you look you will see it is relocating and adding to a passage from the same article, cut in the immediately preceding edit. [2]. Johnbod (talk) 18:43, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Nainsukh

...you mean the edit where I a) brought the article in line with WP:OPENPARA and b) removed unreferenced content? Not sloppy at all. GiantSnowman 09:14, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes I do - there was no unreferenced content. Even if there was you DON't just remove content, which you did in 2 ways, when satifying a minor MOS point. Very sloppy. Johnbod (talk) 12:41, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

hi

sorry to bother, I had a bit of a question--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure - email if you like. Johnbod (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

it was in regards to DocJames he hasn't put up any edits in almost a weeks time [3] which is unlike him (I know hes on vacation, but that never stops him) and the posts are piling up on his talk page (I'm kinda' answering them)...finally yesterday I emailed him (no response)...do you know if hes under the weather or something?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:39, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't know anything - I expect he's just taking a proper break, or maybe hiking etc. Johnbod (talk) 03:05, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I see he's back now. Johnbod (talk) 16:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

yes... thanks Johnbod--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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John, parade armour might be one for you in the future. I'd make a stab, but am unsure of the range. Ceoil (talk) 23:54, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, only redirects to Plate armour. Johnbod (talk) 00:21, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I would look forward to your thoughts, and will jump in, the sources are many. Ceoil (talk) 00:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Readeption.

@Johnbod: It is not an abtruse term; it is a fully-sourced one. It certainly not up to you to arbitrarilly decide what is and what is not acceptable. It has been accepted as the consensus, and again, not for you to ajudge. Please self-revert. Many thanks. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi}

It is a massively abstruse term, as the discussions amply demonstrate. I can't help suspecting that is why you like it so much. I am just applying normal MOS standards. I suggest you read the guidelines on section headings, which should be kept as simple as possible. The word is used immediately below too. Johnbod (talk) 12:32, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

You should assume good faith and keep your 'suspicions' to the back of your mind. When you say the TP discussions, you are of course referring to the fact that only you and an IP found it hard to understand. I responded to all the points you made then; this was eighteen days ago. Am allowed to 'suspect' that you have waited this long to change it in the hope that no-one would notice? And the fact that the main article uses a paricular wording is, in the interests of consistency, all the more reason to use it in the section title. If you think that the overall phrasing is "a complicated section heading" (five words?!) then feel free to use 'Readeption to the throne.' But readeption has a specific- and unavoidable- meaning in this context. Simplicity does not equal alteration. Cheers. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 12:44, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

You should assume good faith and keep your 'suspicions' to the back of your mind. Did I actually participate in the discussion? I don't remember doing so. I improved a bad section heading that was causing squabbles. That's all. Please calm down. Johnbod (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

You participated here. You asked why the word was used; I replied, cogently, with sources. 'Calm down' indeed. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 12:51, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Why use a word that 9999 of 10000 people will have no clue what it means? Hell, *I* studied medieval history in college and *I* had never heard of that word or seen it used in connection with Henry VI. Use a simpler word. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Numbskull??

Don't edit when you're tired and emotional - it just makes you look stupid.Eustachiusz (talk) 11:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I call them as I see them - it was a really stupid edit. Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

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I've moved the title back minus the definite article per WP:COMMONNAME because most English language literature omit it, and don't even add the English definite article. Since I've only just created this article (with Theuerdank), and am still working on developing it, I would think it would have been courteous to discuss the page move with me before doing it - even if it is not required for you to do so. DeCausa (talk) 18:42, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Or to discuss the reversion! I think you are are clearly wrong, but whatever. No need to thank me for improving the articles! I'll leave you to get on with it for now. You might find the "in use" template handy. 19:57, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

WP:BRD. They are initial stubs, and remain so at this point. It will probably take me a couple of weeks to get them to something half decent, which they are very definitely not at the moment. DeCausa (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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What should an article on Mathematics and architecture include?

Hi, I wonder if I can ask for a few quick thoughts. I've spent <quite a while> working on Mathematics and art and think it's about ready for GA; and then realised that Mathematics and architecture was in a ridiculously stubby state, and have now already spent a while on that (much further out of my comfort zone, really). As there are seem to have been no resident editors (Cerberuses?) for some years - is that what's happening all over Wikipedia, I wonder? - I am feeling in need of a second opinion. I've mentioned the Parthenon, Vitruvius, the Italian Renaissance, and sketched some of the main mathematical splendours of 20th century architecture; and am wondering what else I ought to cover? I've already gone way beyond the elementary accounts (most of which whiffle on about the golden ratio, worse luck). Hmm? Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:10, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Hmm - not my areas at all, either architecture or maths! On the art one, you don't seem to be using a comprehensive account of the whole subject - but these must exist, no. Ernst Gombrich has loads on this sort of thing, which I rather struggle with. There are important points, well explained, in: Baxandall, Michael, Painting and Experience in 15th century Italy, 1972, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0198813295 - mainly in Part II. There's not too much on ornament forms, though I dare say these get very complicated very quickly. Should be GA-ready.

Again on the architecture one I'd try to find a single comprehensive account. You don't mention the curved columns of the Parthenon and other classical buildings. Can't see Sacred geometry mentioned - another really terrible article. Is Vitruvian module there, or Modulor? With them added, the dire Proportion (architecture) could be redirected. You could ask for advice, or help, at the Maths project. Those are my "few quick thoughts" - I hope they are some use! Johnbod (talk) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks, and exactly - the topic frightens off everybody who knows A but not B, B but not A, and neither A nor B, which is most of us, I think. I've mentioned Sacred geometry in the M & art article, so I know where to look on that subject! Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

"volumetric modeling"

What do you think would be the best place to link "volumetric modeling" to? Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:19, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Ha! Volume (art) or Modelling (art) I think. Basic stuff we don't have. Johnbod (talk) 13:48, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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The term "idol" isn't always pejorative

See this religious source [4] - and the rest[5] I found when searching for the use of idol to describe a Murti. Or these[6]. I don't want to edit war, but Wikipedia can't state that as a fact. Doug Weller (talk) 13:57, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

As I said somewhere, it is a peculiarity of Indian English that idol is not pejorative, although the people who introduced the word to India certainly meant it to be so. One might say that. Johnbod (talk) 16:08, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

And that was Christian prejudice against non-Christians, pure and simple. Nonetheless we can't say it's always pejorative,. It's used here[7] in a specifically non-pejorative sense.

And of course your statement isn't sourced. You know we need sources for something like that. And we need to make it clear that it is used in Indian English in a non-pejorative way for Hindus to discuss their religious practices. Doug Weller (talk) 18:27, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

See footnote 552, which rather proves my point! Johnbod (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Also various at several here and this here. I could go to nearly always. Johnbod (talk) 02:17, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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paraphrase

hi my friend could you plz paraphrase this ____ Potter was never at her best when writing for a clearly defined audience._____

thank you Alborzagros (talk) 14:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

The paraphrase of Kutzer seems adequate already. Johnbod (talk) 14:53, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

new formatting?

Hello! Question: just noticed on my Working page new Title/URL formatting for FR links. The suggestion is in red, looking like this:

• Bernal, I, Coe, M; et al. (1973). The Iconography of Middle American sculpture. New York: The Metropolitan Museum of Art. {{cite book}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); External link in |title= (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) (see index)

This is seen through all FR links (including previously approved links). The FR links that have already been added to Wiki pages display the new instruction (see: Royal Academy Summer Exhibition). Would you happen to know if Wikipedia will be converting all the past FR links to the new formatting? Or will this be something we will have to edit ourselves manually? Thank you for any insight! Csldigicol (talk) 15:39, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, no. I just mentioned this on your page. I see from the category that collects these errors Category:CS1_errors:_external_links that there are over 11,000 of them, so someone may eventually set up a bot to autocorrect them, which I doubt would be difficult for those who can do these things. The links still work, so for now I'd concentrate on getting the new ones right. Johnbod (talk) 16:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok will do-- thanks so much! Csldigicol (talk) 13:24, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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Rock relief draft

@Johnbod: I appreciate your note of encouragement. I was reading your Rock relief draft. Consider including Descent of the Ganges (Mahabalipuram), the Hampi rock reliefs 1 and 2, etc. These are not inside caves, nor complete statues. Petra rock reliefs in Jordan is worth a mention. Yungang Grottoes are partly Buddhist rock relief (the more impressive and more preserved art is inside the caves, of course). Qenko rock reliefs in Peru, from what I remember, are geometric shapes and a puma relief... may be worth mentioning. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

(ps): Kbal Spean in Cambodia too. The rock reliefs are both on the rocks along the river and the river bed rock. Mostly Hindu, some Buddhist. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, yes it's early days - this is a spin-off from User:Johnbod/Persian art, an even larger gap. I was certainly going to include Mahabalipuram, which unlike most of these I've actually seen, and others. There must be more Chinese ones, but its striking how relatively restricted the range is - you'd think they would appeal to the Greeks & Romans, but not at all. If put high enough, it's a good strategy for keeping your self-promotion intact over the ages, at least until just recently. Jago or Jason from the BM was at some decent but peeling regional Olmec reliefs on the telly just recently, but I can't remember the name. You don't know that, by any chance? I've just recently become aware of your work, which is great and really necessary stuff. Keep up the good work! If religious bickering gets you down, art history articles are usually much more tranquil - nobody much cares what you put at Indian art, Jain art etc. Our coverage is pretty terrible. Johnbod (talk) 20:20, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@Johnbod: Olmec... Chalcatzingo? Art history is a fascinating subject indeed. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

That's the place, and we have a decent article too - Chalcatzingo - thanks! Johnbod (talk) 21:04, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks much

Johnbod,

Thank you very much for commenting at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/From The Doctor to my son Thomas/archive1.

You're totally correct, it should be in British English.

I went through and made some copy-edits.

Could you double check, at From The Doctor to my son Thomas, and see if I've caught everything?

Thanks very much,

— Cirt (talk) 02:59, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

This is a good question, but not a quote. :) — Cirt (talk) 16:13, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok; done it all now Johnbod (talk) 16:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much Johnbod !!! Most appreciated, — Cirt (talk) 16:18, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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Maybe you'll have better luck...

Apparantly the image is "gigantic" and "too big". Ealdgyth - Talk 19:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I've tried - otherwise coming back 10 days later often works.... As I have have 300px as default it looks really nice & gigantic to me! All the best, Johnbod (talk) 04:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Moving this here because it's off topic in the case discussion:

I wish your non-nonsense acceptance of the fact that politics (e.g. fear of litigation, and "won't get fooled again" stance-taking) is strongly influencing at least the US medical profession's approach, were adopted by MEDRS. In several long threads at WT:MEDRS, I was unable to convince many of the regulars there that FDA and AMA press releases are not "ideal" sources, but are primary sources with obvious institutional biases. As far as I know, that guideline still treats those medial releases, position statements, and alerts as the #1 most preferred sources for medical articles on WP, and this is utterly wrongheaded and dangerous. There seems to be a confusion that any source that synthesizes previous material is a secondary source even when it comes to a conclusion based on it that is entirely that of the author. If this were true, any pseudoscience analysis (like "we can't explain how the pyramids were built, and many scientists think aliens must exist because the universe is so large, ergo aliens build the pyramids") would be secondary sourcing. There's even a confusion about reputability of the publisher. The AMA and the FDA (and equivalents in other countries) are reputable sources for what a national-level mainstream medical consensus is, based on kinda-sorta recent research that they choose to accept, and filtered through several layers of politics and PR; they're not reputable sources for medical facts presented neutrally, without all this spin.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  23:43, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Well yes. I suggest you don't try editing any article that QG is taking an interest in then! Johnbod (talk) 01:23, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I think I remember him being part of the discussion at WT:MEDRS before I walked away in frustration/disgust. But he was not alone. There's some serious confusion going on, despite WP:NOR providing clear definitions of what they mean here, about what a primary, secondary or tertiary source is for WP purposes. Some people familiar with these terms from their own fields, where they often have widely divergent meanings from discipline to discipline, seem unwilling to recognize that WP is not topically applying different definitions of "secondary source". Nor that WP depends on reliable secondary sources from reputable publishers than run them through an editorial process independent of the author (i.e. there are many sources that are technically secondary in by being analytic/synthetic, but which must be treated as primary because of their preconceived or unreviewed conclusions). I haven't figured out what to do about this problem, but it's pretty serious. It seems to relate some to the refusal in certain circles to accept that it is not the best practice on WP to cite the new-research journal papers and ignore the literature reviews that integrate them, rather than the other way around. In [many fields of] academic publishing it is the cutting-edge research that is sought, and lit. reviews are basically boring homework, but it's the opposite for us here; we're depending on the peer-reviewed evaluation and interpretation in the lit. revs. to tell us what hypotheses in the assertive papers has found acceptance or been rejected. Sorry, I know you know all this already; I'm just working out how to word an approach to reopening this issue.

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Well, this is interesting...

This change, along with others, seems to be stemming from Template_talk:S-rel#Introduce_two_new_parameters where two users decided that Catholic doesn't apply... yikes. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:51, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, he's been doing all the early Popes, which has more reason. We seem to have invented something called the "Great Catholic Church" for pre the final E-W split. This is a typical example of the trouble infoboxes cause. This seems very silly - let me know if you pursue. Johnbod (talk) 02:13, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

I've replied on the template talk page. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Jon, I cannot agree with Ealdgyth's summary, but I hope you will join the discussion at Template talk:S-rel. tahc ^chat 03:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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Many thanks - much appreciated! Johnbod (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Regulation source

Hi Johnbod I came across this source, and I remembered your wanting to write something on regulation. Perhaps it will be useful. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.12898/full AlbinoFerret 19:56, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - mainly relevant to the odd situation in Oz though - not much talk of actual bans in most places. But useful. Johnbod (talk) 01:54, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is another. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3926346/ I have added it to the article as it had a good definition for Harm Reduction, but its more on regulation. AlbinoFerret 21:14, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

cocoliztli

when you changed it to refrences, i meant external links.JerrySa1 (talk) 00:55, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

No you didn't Johnbod (talk) 01:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

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