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Happy editing! davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 17:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Blackhall Studios has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Blackhall Studios. Thanks! davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 17:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest[edit]

Information icon Hello, Jpj87. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Draft:Blackhall Studios, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

  • avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
  • propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
  • disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you for letting us know that you have a relationship with the founder of the studio.[1] Please read WP:Conflict of interest and WP:Paid-contributions disclosure and follow the instructions in those documents as you edit. Just to re-emphasize: Editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. If you are here to for promotional purposes, it is best if you abandon that draft and consider anything related to Blackhall Studios "off limits." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 18:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


@Davidwr: Are you able to add in this COI as it states in the instruction page(last line)? I can assure you, we are submitting the entry from the most neutral standpoint as possible.

General COI Shortcuts 

   WP:DISCLOSE
   WP:DCOI

If you become involved in an article where you have any COI, you should always let other editors know about it, whenever and wherever you discuss the topic. There are three venues to do this.

1. If you want to use a template to do this, place

at the top of the affected talk page, fill it in as follows, and save:

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Note that someone else may add this for you.

Template:Connected contributor and Template:Connected contributor (paid)[edit]

I can add it, but I need to know a couple of things first:

  • Who is "we"? Only one person can use an account.
  • Is anyone paying you for your edits, or are you going to benefit financially, or is it part of your normal job? If the answer to any of these is "yes" then I will need to know your employer and, if it's not your employer, who is the ultimate "client" benefiting from this.

davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 19:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


@Davidwr:sorry "we" referring to myself and you as the Wikipedia editors. (The collective) I am compensated by my employer as a part of my job only. Employer: Cookerly Public Relations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpj87 (talk • contribs) 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Who is paying them to have you write articles? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 20:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Davidwr: Blackhall Studios. They are paying Cookerly Public Relations (my employer) to help them put an informative article about the studios on Wikipedia. 20:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Jpj87 (talk)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Ryan Millsap (December 22)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Girth Summit were:
This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
The sourcing is all affiliated, it needs to be independent, secondary and reliable. I'd add that this reads more like a LinkedIn profile than an encyclopedia article.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
GirthSummit (blether) 19:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Please "sign" your posts[edit]

It is customary to "sign" posts. Please read WP:Signature for details. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 20:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Ryan Millsap has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Ryan Millsap. Thanks! davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 20:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Blackhall Studios has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Blackhall Studios. Thanks! davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 20:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Undisclosed paid editing[edit]

Hi - I'm Girth Summit, an administrator here. I reviewed one of your drafts earlier, and I just noticed from your comments above that you are employed by a PR company; I assume that the people/companies you are writing about are their clients. I need you to stop editing about those subjects immediately, and read the guidance at WP:PAID. These requirements form part of the terms of use of this website, and following them is not optional if you want to edit here. If you make any further edits to these drafts before you have taken the necessary steps outlined at that guideline, your account may be blocked from editing entirely. Let me know if you have any questions. Best GirthSummit (blether) 20:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Girth Summit:I'm willing to disclose affiliation though and have taken steps to do so. Is that not permissible?

Have you read the guidance? I mean, really read it, from beginning to end? Writing a message to another editor on your talk page does not, in my view, fulfil the disclosure requirements outlined there. If you have been asked to edit here as part of your job, your employer should take steps to ensure that they are familiar with the terms of use of this website; they should not be asking you to act in a manner that is contrary to them. I'm genuinely not trying to be unpleasant to you, but having to explain this to you soaks up volunteer time, and is a waste of our resources - your company should familiarise themselves with our policies before asking you to edit here. GirthSummit (blether) 20:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, Jpj87, we are all volunteers here, so when someone comes to Wikipedia as a paid editor, it should be expected they are capable of following simple directions for disclosure and also have a clue about how to edit for the same reason we would expect someone hired to design a website to know how to work with the basic function of web design. With that being said, I would strongly encourage you before continuing to edit, to actually thoroughly read the links given to you instead of just browsing them. Then copy and paste this: {{paid|employer=Cookerly|article=Ryan Millsap}} on your userpage here. You should also include a link to where those services are advertised. GRINCHIDICAE🎄 20:37, 22 December 2020 (UTC) GRINCHIDICAE🎄 20:37, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Girth Summit: Yes, I've read it. At the end of the day, I'm trying my best to add knowledge to this platform and its users by adding an entry glaringly missing -- whether it's a client or not. This is not my forte. I'm not in this platform every day. I get your frustration, but the process from a new editor like myself (or any employer) is equally frustrating if I'm being honest.

With respect, that's not what you're doing. You're acting on behalf of your client to promote them on our platform. Reviewing your promotional articles, and explaining basic policy to you is soaking up volunteer resources. You need either to be willing to invest time learning how this place works and how to edit within our policies and guidelines, or you need to stop editing here. Best GirthSummit (blether) 20:41, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Girth Summit: Promotion is not the goal here. That's now what Wikipedia is about and I do understand that. If the prose needs to be reworked to be more neutral in tone, so be it. But it was my intention to simply put the information here so people could get the facts about the studio. Where it is. Who runs it. What movies and shows have been produced there. It should be a source of information not an advertisement. And, that's what I attempted to do. Not intended to be promotional at all, I can assure you. Jpj87 (talk) 20:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever your goal was, the content you have written is highly promotional; I believe it would need to be rewritten from scratch to achieve an appropriate tone. I would add that there are no sources in the draft about the company that would meet the standard called for by WP:NCORP, or in the draft about the person that would contribute towards a WP:GNG pass. You need to make a proper disclosure on your user page, as has been explained to you above, and then spend the time learning how to write here, how to follow our guidelines, what good sources look like - and then you need to completely rewrite these drafts, using proper sources and a neutral style. If your employer isn't willing to invest the effort in doing that, please stop soaking up our resources. GirthSummit (blether) 21:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Blackhall Studios (December 22)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Girth Summit were:
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
The sourcing does not meet the requirements outlined at WP:NCORP - we cannot establish notability. The draft looks like an advert. Our aim is to provide our readers with neutral, factual prose, summarising what independent, secondary sources say about a subject. We do not aim to impress them, or to puff up the significance of our subjects.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
GirthSummit (blether) 20:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some topics simply are not notable[edit]

Many people and many businesses simply are not notable enough to even qualify for a Wikipedia article, no matter how well-written it is, because the "significant coverage" from "reliable," "independent" sources just does not exist.

You may be asking yourself "what does that mean?" Read and study WP:Your first article, WP:About, WP:What Wikipedia is not, WP:Notability, WP:Notability (people), and WP:NCORP and you should have your answer.

I'm not here to say that your employer's client is or is not notable, but after you read those pages and researching your company's client, you may come to the conclusion that neither the company you are writing about nor the person you are writing about meets Wikipedia's "notability" criteria to have an article. If that is the case, stop writing on those topics. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 20:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that, but I have done some other research with similar sized studios that have a Wikipedia page. I do believe it is authoritative/notable enough. I do appreciate your time. You do not need to continue to help. I know I've taken more of your time than necessary. I'm grateful for you trying to help. Have a great holiday season. Jpj87 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The error may be that Wikipedia allowed those other articles to exist in the first place. This sometimes happens, see WP:Other stuff exists. While your conflict-of-interest prevents you from initiating a deletion on web pages related to your company's client's competitors, you can put a note on the talk pages of those articles that discloses your conflict of interest, points out clear and unambiguous reasons why the page should be nominated for deletion, and which includes the Template:Requested edit template to get the attention of other editors. If you are right, another editor will nominate the page for deletion. If you are wrong too many times, it will be considered disruptive and you will be asked/told to stop. My recommendation: Don't do this until you have a thorough understanding of Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines. That may take a few weeks or months. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 21:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Ryan Millsap[edit]

Information icon Hello, Jpj87. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Ryan Millsap, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 21:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Ryan Millsap[edit]

Hello, Jpj87. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Ryan Millsap".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 20:03, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Blackhall Studios has been accepted[edit]

Blackhall Studios, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. Most new articles start out as Stub-Class or Start-Class and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

Worldbruce (talk) 19:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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