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i didn't do vandalism

i corrected the article Kara (South Korean group) with the sources https://www.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2016/04/14/2016041401803.html the title says Park Gyu-ri said, "Kara, it's not disbanded. I'll be active if I have a chance." [Interview ①] why you say that i'm introducing factual errors?? 121.133.40.84 (talk) 07:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@121.133.40.84 just because Park Gyu-ri said Kara is not disbanding does not make it true the company said Kara was disbanding and that has more weight. Lightoil (talk) 07:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

where is the sources that DSP said kara was disbanded? In original article, there was no sources saying that kara was disbanded. And also DSP Media just announced that the contracts with Park Gyu-ri, Han Seung-yeon and Goo Ha-ra expired and they decided not to renew their contracts. it's not same that contracts are expired and disbandment. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 07:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@121.133.40.84 here is a source saying that they disbanded. Why does this matter to you Kara was disbanded and now they are back stop trying to rewrite history? Lightoil (talk) 08:00, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Because it's not true. and your link is not reliable source. it's not the official news site. i'm Korean and i got a sources from korean news website. which can be more reliable? Don't be unreasonable. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 08:04, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@121.133.40.84 here is a Korean source now can you just move on Kara disbanded and reunited, stop trying to convince me otherwise. Lightoil (talk) 08:14, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

[1] the news(Jan. 15th 2016) title is "DSP said, "It is not the disbandment of Kara...No plans to recruit new members"" and some parts of article says

On the 15th, DSP Media said in a telephone interview with this newspaper, "It is not the disband of 'Kara'. The exclusive contracts of Park Kyu-ri, Koo Ha-ra and Han Seung-yeon have only expired, and the group called 'Kara' will remain the same, he said.

--121.133.40.84 (talk) 08:18, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@121.133.40.84 please stop arguing with me the consensus is that Kara was disbanded and did not do anything for seven years as evident by the articles that I shared it is history please move on. Lightoil (talk) 08:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

THAT IS CALLED HIATUS, NOT DISBANDMENT. There is another examples. see Girls' Generation. I'm not arguing. I'm just telling the truth.121.133.40.84 (talk) 08:26, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@121.133.40.84 well as I said consensus is that Kara was disbanded and many sources support it unlike Girls' Generation so go on the Kara talk page and convince everyone that Kara was not disbanded despite many sources saying so as I shared with you. Lightoil (talk) 08:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

STOP REVERTING MY EDITS. why you keep saying that i'm vandalising the Kara article? 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:24, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

I am not going to revert your edits anymore instead I am going to request dispute resolution.@121.133.40.84 Lightoil (talk) 09:29, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

i went to Talk:Kara (South Korean group) as you said and talked about my situations. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Discuss at dispute resolution that I linked on your talk page.@121.133.40.84 Lightoil (talk) 09:44, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

did i do right way to discuss on dispute resolution page like this?[2] 121.133.40.84 (talk) 10:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@121.133.40.84 yes that is fine. Lightoil (talk) 10:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Bourbon-Parma

Sorry for not giving reasons for removal. I removed those templates, because the individuals are no longer on those templates. 2601:249:9301:D570:6CC2:E8FB:867B:73BE (talk) 02:55, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Okay my bad Lightoil (talk) 02:55, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

No worries, that was on me. 2601:249:9301:D570:6CC2:E8FB:867B:73BE (talk) 02:56, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

How to pronouce Le Sserafim

Hi, Le Sserafim is pronounced /lɯ ˈseːrɤ̞fɪm/ or /lɯ ˈseːrʌfɪm/, like in their Official Logo Motion (you can see it at the end of their official content like music video or teaser). The pronunciation may be differ, but definitely not /lɜːˈsərɑːˈfim/, in either English or Korean ways of pronunciation. 113.190.140.93 (talk) 09:46, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Byzantine administrative structure

I am still waiting for an answer in relation to the mentioned subject discussed in my forum, there are still details to add and I would like to know how to proceed. Pablo1355 (talk) 17:43, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Next time ping me @Pablo1355 like that, just follow basic grammar rules and you should be fine. Lightoil (talk) 02:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, my command of English is not as developed as my academic experience, I must admit. Pablo1355 (talk) 04:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

All i did to the 707 page was add no. of passengers (0) what's wrong w/ that??!? Captain N334AA (talk) 08:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Is that really necessary and start a new section next time @Captain N334AA Lightoil (talk) 08:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

idc it's one line yes it is check the page for: UPS Flight 6, 2011 Reno Air Race Crash etc. is it really necessary to remove it? u must be real bored Captain N334AA (talk) 08:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

@Captain N334AA fine add the 0 I don't care Lightoil (talk) 08:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Mikhlif Alshammari Article

Hi, regarding my edit to the Mikhlif Alshammari article, I believe that the verb tenses in the article are incorrect, as there is no indication that the subject is no longer living. 108.18.207.147 (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@108.18.207.147 please provide reliable sources to support your claim. Lightoil (talk) 01:30, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Rollback

Hi Lightoil. After reviewing your request, I have enabled rollback on your account. Please keep the following things in mind while using rollback:

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• I'd also encourage you to tweak your archive settings on this page to archive after a week and/or to leave a few sections unarchived. When you start warning and reporting more, you'll have those editors coming to your talk page, and archiving after one day is a little too assertive. Up to you, of course, but a little clutter is a good thing here. :-) Katie^talk 17:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

  @KrakatoaKatie I changed my talk page archiving settings, but I am having trouble to get the bot to archive my talk page. Do you know how to get the bot to work? I apologize in advance if this is not your area of expertise. Lightoil (talk) 04:06, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

  Sorry, but my talk page still uses MiszaBot. It's quite sad to admit that I'm too lazy to worry about switching it over until MiszaBot finally breaks. (Still waiting after ten years.) I took a look at your parameters, though, and it looks okay to my naive eyes except that you might have a conflict between the setup template and {{Archives}} with your 'age' parameter. These archiving bots are so hard to get correct. You're welcome to look at my setup if you're not afraid of MiszaBot, which honestly works just fine. You could also just put an archives box up and use OneClickArchiver to manually create your archives. Or scout around various user talk pages that use ClueBot III to find a setup you like and copy that. Ain't nothing much original around here anymore. ;-) Katie^talk 06:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Online piracy edits

I'm only making the titles match what is in their articles. This is hardly vandalism as far as I can see. 2600:1700:B570:3BD0:1894:E16:2B51:A416 (talk) 02:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Next time explain on edit summary @2600:1700:B570:3BD0:1894:E16:2B51:A416 Lightoil (talk) 02:57, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Supermodel Me

hello, my edit is based on a reference source stating that Avalon from Australia is not Indonesian even though he has Indonesian blood. 140.213.39.53 (talk) 03:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@140.213.39.53 you spelled Australi instead of Australia Lightoil (talk) 03:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

please add this great real indians ho given there life for india nation why you deleting this .these please really deserve in this page ok

thakur ji pathak subash chandra bosh 2406:7400:61:653B:F8CE:8E59:8D60:925F (talk) 08:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@2406:7400:61:653B:F8CE:8E59:8D60:925F please speak English I do not understand Lightoil (talk) 08:50, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Where is your discussion

Where is your discussion about what you proposed? Wikipedia content and editors of the fourth degree .. It is not a reliable reference at all for people Nabil Abdullah Alsyani (talk) 01:21, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Nabil Abdullah Alsyani please do not add commentary and unsourced content per WP:VERIFY, WP:OR and WP:NOTESSAY. Lightoil (talk) 01:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Tania Joya

Lightoil, I agree with your revert, but your edit summary is ... well I'm trying to be diplomatic here. The editor CLEARLY provided an edit summary, so "unexplained content removal" is just totally incorrect. Please be more careful. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 02:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Drmies sorry using SWviewer I only have limited options to justity a revert and the alternative would be to not give a reason. Lightoil (talk) 02:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh really? Well that's kind of sad--again, they gave a reason, but it was a bad reason. If you look at their talk page you'll see I noticed that before. Whoever runs that app really should reconsider. Thanks for getting back to me, Drmies (talk) 02:11, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

It's your responsibility to ensure that the reasons you provide are suitable. If some app or automated editing tool doesn't enable you to do the job properly then you need to do it without using that app or tool. Tools can be very useful, but they should be servants, not masters. JBW (talk) 10:40, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

David Ho: Revision history

you can see i made changes indivudually, some are repeats, some are rearranged position, see the change log yourself 119.56.17.18 (talk) 06:10, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@119.56.17.18 next time use the edit summary. Lightoil (talk) 06:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

everytime? even on repositioning without add/remove? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.56.17.18 (talk) 06:17, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@119.56.17.18 as much as possible yes Lightoil (talk) 06:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

everytime? even on repositioning without add/remove? 119.56.17.18 (talk) 06:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

everytime? even on repositioning chronolgically without add/remove? 119.56.17.18 (talk) 06:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@119.56.17.18 yes use edit summary as much as possible stop making me repeat myself Lightoil (talk) 06:23, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I not repeating you can see I copy and paste in haste to reply/response to yr f-ing atitude problem, OK? 119.56.17.18 (talk) 06:26, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

i think you made a mistake

you said that i was not following a neutral POV, but all i did was contract a sentence and make a point about the song being a commercial success in addition to critical. Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 06:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Becausewhynothuh? massive seems like bias language but I could be wrong Lightoil (talk) 06:31, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I mean....it featured in several critics best of the year list and TOPPED the charts for many weeks....does that not warrant superlative terms like Massive?

what other word do you think would fit 🤔 Becausewhynothuh? (talk) 06:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

@Becausewhynothuh? just state facts like chart position and placement in critics list and avoid using biased language. Lightoil (talk) 06:38, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Advise

Any advise? I can't edit, I can't make a new page then what am I suppose to do? LOL KelvinCoke (talk) 09:21, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of account

Can teach me how to delete my account instead? since I'm unable to contribute anything to the wiki. Thank you KelvinCoke (talk) 09:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@KelvinCoke you cannot delete your account, but you request WP:LEAVE. However, you are not blocked from editing, you need be an WP:AUTOCONFIRMED to be able to create a new page directly. Lightoil (talk) 10:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

speedy deletion

Hello, what is speedy deletion? KelvinCoke (talk) 09:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@KelvinCoke the page was delected ecause it was used for purely promotional purpose WP:NOTSPAM. Lightoil (talk) 10:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Why is it that a newly joined user faces so many action's from an admin? KelvinCoke (talk) 09:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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But sir I have greater knowledge about shia college and all my information are available on Internet And as well as authentic website. Allow me to edit. I am a Managing staff of shia College, Lucknow. So I know better that you or you know better than me . Have you ever visited Shia College,Lucknow. RedbullBottle (talk) 08:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@RedbullBottle don't use language like great WP:NPOV Lightoil (talk) 08:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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Try to understand. Sorry but I don't want to hurt anyone, but please don't remove the image of shia College this is authentic. I had taken this photo of Shia College. Try to add at least photo to article shia College. An article without I.age is useless RedbullBottle (talk) 08:08, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@RedbullBottle the picture is fine just read WP:NPOV. Lightoil (talk) 08:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Gareth Thomas, actor

Hello, Gareth Thomas isn’t a living person — he sadly died in 2016 (see the first line of his entry). MorgansGirl (talk) 12:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

@MorgansGirl my bad I could not see the entire article from the app but still don't add unsourced information to Wikipedia to persons living or dead. Lightoil (talk) 13:51, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

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The SVP has a wing called GaySVP 81.172.12.215 (talk) 10:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@81.172.12.215 then add a citation Lightoil (talk) 10:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, Lightoil,

I don't know why you are being targeted but I've given your talk page temporary protection. Let me know if this starts up again in the future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:16, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: I found the talk page while patrolling recent changes so I marked it for speedy deletion. So the IP editor decided to post the same thing on my talk page in retaliation. Lightoil (talk) 04:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

non notable offspring given names.

i looked at that edit again, hoping to understand how listing these specific children's names increased understanding of the main subject of the article, but i came up empty on this regard. could you bring some illumination to this, do u might better understand your reasoning? i of course am often wrong, so thanks for your help if you have time, Saintstephen000 (talk) 05:01, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Saintstephen000 what are you talking about please give context. Lightoil (talk) 05:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

sure thing! It's an edit on a hockey player by the name of PK Subban (Pernell-Karl Sylvester Subban).

Saintstephen000 (talk) 05:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Saintstephen000 I reverted it because it was sourced after checking the citation. Lightoil (talk) 05:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

i didn't edit specifically for poorly sourced. i edited because the inclusion of these non notable offspring given names and birthdates doesn't add understanding to the actual topic of the article, and could be seen to violate the privacy of non notable minors especially when combined with birthdates. thanks for helping me edit Wikipedia

Saintstephen000 (talk) 05:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Saintstephen000 according to WP:BLPNAME it can stay but if you want to remove it I will not object. Lightoil (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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I'm not insisting it's true

I'm not insisting it's true, I'm writing it exactly as it appears in the Korean news(checked with the fact), is that wrong? Not only me but also other users edited about member's withdrawal with the sources. but the user Btspurplegalaxy and Paper9oll don't acccept the fact and revert the article. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 11:07, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@121.133.40.84 please discuss on WJSN talk page not on my talk page, thanks. Lightoil (talk) 11:12, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

check the Talk:WJSN THE PROFILE CHANGED 121.133.40.84 (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding the introduction picture on the tripleS

First of all, there is no need to revert back to that photo:(File:230217 tripleS (트리플에스).jpg) because it is CLEARLY an AI-generated high-resolution restoration image. Please enlarge the photo, those faces in the picture are distorted, obviously it is not an accurate real photo. Can't you see that?

Secondly, that's why I replaced it with a more accurate and real photo: (File:TripleS.jpg), also this photo has no copyright issues. However, it seems that you are treating my edit as improper behavior. Fiona098aaa (talk) 04:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Read the links on your talk page you have committed sockpuppety. Lightoil (talk) 04:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fiona098aaa pinging Lightoil (talk) 04:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Inappropriate reversion of edits to Isotropic radiator

Your speedy reversion of my edits to the Isotropic radiator were intensely offensive: The changes which I made were largely cosmetic. As well, you inappropriately removed the sole substantive change that I made, which was the especially important point that all small antennas approach isotropic radiators (with the possible exception of their vanishingly narrow null points).

For the next week stop making any editorial overrides or reversions to the article. Your behavior is reactionary an appalling: (1) You presumed that an editor who chooses to edit without logging in was disruptive, without actually looking at the edits and thinking about them. You couldn't have.

(2) You wiped out all changes made unselectively; and had the profane gall to remark that the edits "appeared to not be helpful".

Don't do that again. You are grossly failing to show the courtesy that you admonish others to show you in the "be polite" request at the head of this page. 166.198.38.62 (talk) 09:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@166.198.38.62 Why are you not following WP:MOS adding by adding unnecessary extra spaces? Lightoil (talk) 09:28, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

However, I am apologies for the mass reversion of the app I could not just revert that edit. Lightoil (talk) 09:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Excuse rejected: I don't care what app you're using, it doesn't make it okay to stomp over someone else's hard-made edits, just because it's convenient for you. Shame on you!

The following is an excessively long sermon on math typesetting. I'm sorry for that, but I don't have time to make it short. The short answer is I am following the MOS, dammit! The MOS says nothing about putting in or not putting in spaces. You are complaining about me doing something that the MOS says nothing about; that's why I'm so angry at you for your false presumption that there's some kind of excuse in the MOS for your bad behavior.

Standard math typesetting used in professionally typeset publications (like high-production textbooks and mathematically edited professional journals, as compared to increasingly common author-typeset articles, which are often shoddy) always uses small spaces between distinct objects. So in this article, the symbol $\ \Delta \nu \$ is a distinct entity: The Δ is an operator, not a variable, and the ν is a variable and the operator's operand. That pair frequently occurs adjacent to a different operator-operand pair $\ \mathrm {d} \Omega \ ~.$ Extra space is necessary between the tightly paired groups to group the spoken words that they represent appropriate to their meaning.

Likewise, a frequently occurring group is $\ A_{\mathsf {e}}(\theta ,\phi )\$ which also represents a single mathematical object, the variable A with the non-variable letter-label 'e', which is itself a function (represented by the parenthetic arguments) of position given by two spherical co-ordinates in the parentheses. A little space around this block of characters represents the intake of breath before you begin speaking the whole phrase that describes it, and the pause afterward before mentioning the following groups which multiply it.

Furthermore, above and beyond the spaces used to separate off groups of symbols representing mathematical objects (like differences of frequencies and differential segments of area on the surface of a sphere), every block of mathematical symbols, every expression, formula, and individual symbol embedded in running text must be separated from any text, or punctuation that is a part of the spoken prose (and not part of the math) by a little extra space. In the special case of a period (as opposed to commas and semicolons) it has to be a little longer space. (I'm not certain exactly why. Maybe it has something to do with subscript periods being used for the sum over an index: $\ x_{\cdot }\equiv \sum \limits _{\mathrm {all} ~k}x_{k}\$?)

The MOS is at present deficient, since it does not require nor even recommend the extra space. TeX has some default spacing, but it is not a grammar-checking system. All it does is typesetting. By design the mathematician has to supply the extra spaces. A good rule of thumb is that if you chose to put a blank space into the TeX to make it more readable, then there needs to be a blank in the output too. The default is for everything to be crammed together as tightly as possible. The rendering engine has absolutely no idea whether Δ is an operator or a variable; same for d . Needless to say, that makes the math in the article painful to read: No visual guidance to separate the mathematical symbols into logical blocks.

As far as I know, the only useful typesetting advice in the MOS is to move the prose punctuation inside the math formulas; otherwise the wikitext display will possibly insert a line break between the end of the formula and the punctuation that closes off the text of the thought (the formula converted to spoken words) that the punctuation finishes off.

Regardless of the deficiencies in the MOS, it absolutely does not in any way forbid extra space. And I ask you: What do you see? Don't look at the TeX and squeal "ugh". Instead look at the rendered formulas as I've typeset them. Surely it's not perfect, but look at it: I claim that you have to recognize that it's easier to read, better rendered the way that I've typeset it. The article is not for people who already know this stuff, it's for people who are picking through the math trying to work out what it means for the first time. It's an educational crime to force them to mentally apply the typesetting that's missing in the math without the standard mathematical microspacing.

166.198.38.62 (talk) 11:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@166.198.38.62 I was talking about this edit [17] the spaces aren't necessary. Furthermore, no need for a wall of text in your reply. Please edit properly. Thanks. Lightoil (talk) 11:15, 23 March 2023 (UTC)