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IRC?

There were no attempts, none of them were on-wiki. And there was "no emergency", such as high level of vandalism, BLP violation, copyvio, I don't see why re-blocking was any benefit to encyclopedia. I hadn't made this edit per my own opinion, I was basically told for making this edit.[1]

That's why I said that it is wheel-warring, to reinstate the block without any discussion, and there was no emergency, no prior notification on my talk page either. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:43, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

What do you want me to say? There is literally nothing I could say that would convince you. God could come down from the Heavens on a chariot of fire and hand you a letter saying you're not correct, and you wouldn't listen. You have started out with the assumption that you are correct, and not the entire community telling you otherwise is enough to let you think otherwise. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:51, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
If these were the blocking rationales, how many editors would've been indeffed long before? There has been some real issues[2]? A dialogue can work, but first it has to be made. You clearly know better than I do. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:06, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@OccultZone: to quote m:Don't be a jerk: " If a significant number of reasonable people suggest, whether bluntly or politely, that you are being one, the odds are good that you are not entirely in the right. Being right about an issue does not mean you're behaving properly! Jerks are often right — but they're still jerks." But as I said, I'm afraid that there's nothing I could say that will get this point across to you. You are convinced you're right and not willing to listen to anybody saying otherwise. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 17:14, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Putting limits on number of images per gallery generated by OgreBot

Hello!

Hope you're having a good day :) OgreBot has been creating pages with massive galleries (like User:Niteshift/MVneu/2015_April_21-30) that have basically been causing outages in the Wikimedia Cluster(like this one: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/20150423-Commons). While we're investigating technical fixes to ensure that one big page doesn't have an outsize impact on the cluster, can you put limits on the number of images a single gallery / page can have when created by OgreBot? That would be very useful / probably good practice anyway. Do you think you can get that done before its next run, or at least suspend it until limits can be put in place? Thank you :) YuviPanda (talk) 10:06, 25 April 2015 (UTC) (Part of the Operations Team at the WMF)

Used my volunteer account accidentally, whoops :) Also all this happened over at commons, not here. YuviPanda (WMF) (talk) 10:08, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@YuviPanda and YuviPanda (WMF): what is a good limit for gallery size? Can you clarify if it was the total size of the gallery causing problems, or if it was an attempt by my bot to add more images above a certain threshold? I'm a touch worried that some of the other galleries the bot creates might cause problems (e.g., c:User:OgreBot/Uploads by new users, which is usually ~150K but can reach as high as ~400K during some of the content drives). Magog the Ogre (t • c) 16:09, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, even 150K etc is crazy, I think - does that not lock up most browsers? What's the rationale behind making them userspace galleries than have a web tool that you can just link to? I personally think galleries of over 1000 images are nuts, and cause some site performance degradation for everyone (including anons) - and super huge ones break the site entirely. So *if* hypothetically Galleries had a 1000 image limit, how would you solve the problem you're solving now with huge galleries in other ways? YuviPanda (WMF) (talk) 18:38, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@YuviPanda (WMF): There are a few issues here
  • The new uploads gallery is for page-patrollers. It lists all recent uploads by users under a threshold of edits, which is actually quite useful for finding problematic content. You can see the RfB here: Commons:Bots/Requests/OgreBot 4. The only reason it's in the userspace is because it works as well as the projectspace (I never bothered to move them). If you'd like, I can do shorter gallery times. FWIW, I never had any problems viewing the galleries in my browser, given a threshold of ~200K, which they almost never hit. But I am using a cable connection, not a modem.
  • The daily galleries is user-requested galleries of all pages which are subcategories of a certain category. You can see the RfB here: Commons:Bots/Requests/OgreBot 2. Sometimes the category structure on Commons is byzantine enough that it ends up accidentally including almost the entire Commons category tree. Until recently, I explicitly warned users of this possibility and told them to monitor their galleries: c:Special:PermanentLink/150025398 (see warning at the top of the page). If I add a limit, would you want it to be a per gallery limit or a per edit limit?
Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
If you see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75960 this is going to be limited on the mediawiki side fairly soon, and even 80k lines / images are considered nutty. Can you cap it to (/me picks a random number) 50k per gallery / page (not per edit!) until someone with more knowledge of underlying code than me pops up? Thanks :) YuviPanda (WMF) (talk) 19:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Actually, can you confirm what you mean by ~150K? 150,000 images per page? or? YuviPanda (WMF) (talk) 19:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@YuviPanda (WMF): goodness, no. I meant bytes. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 21:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@YuviPanda and YuviPanda (WMF): I was thinking about this, and I wonder if the problem is the size of the individual galleries. I wonder if the reason that c:User:OgreBot/Uploads by new users has never caused problems is files are mostly broken up into their own galleries and sections. Can you confirm? If so, this might allow me a touch more leeway without harming page patrol. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 22:26, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Also, FWIW, I'm sorry for breaking everything. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 22:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Have a cookie :-) --MGA73 (talk) 18:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Haha, that explains things better :) I was very surprised because I was thinking of it in terms of number of images :) Can you limit them to 1000 / 500 images for each single page, and split them up into subpages? And no, it's not your fault - the software should be more resilient (and we are working on that). Thanks for the cooperation :) YuviPanda (WMF) (talk) 18:07, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
As long as you fix more than you break :-D Keep up the good work and have a cookie. --MGA73 (talk) 18:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration Case

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Wikipedia:Hitler listed at Redirects for discussion

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Old tags

Hi. Can you please check why these 4 pages have a nobots tag for your bot and see whether they are still needed or not?

-- Magioladitis (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: it is absolutely not needed anymore. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 22:50, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I removed them all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:00, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

War of Edits

You can stop a war of edits between two editors (LightandDark2000 and 햄방이).herehereherehereherehereherehere I tried to intervene but they ignored me.here But that would not be drawn into a war of edits, I stopped trying stop this war of edits. Maybe you as admin can stop these actions. Because they dont want stop and war of edits between these two editors still continues. Hanibal911 (talk) 11:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

@Hanibal911: Done. Another thing, though: either you haven't read or you're deliberately ignoring the many times you've been asked to stop referring to good faith edits as vandalism. FYI, It makes it look you have a poor understanding or don't have good self-control. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 22:08, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

KingoXo probably a new acaunt of previously blocked Lindi29. So probably this Sockpuppet the Lindi29. They also makes such the edits in modules which earlier edit Lindi29. You can check it out. Hanibal911 (talk) 15:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

@Hanibal911: Yeah I've had my suspicions for a few days now. Researching this one. Thank you very much! Magog the Ogre (t • c) 16:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for having responded quickly. Hanibal911 (talk) 18:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

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Active Watchers tool no longer works

Hello Magog, when I was about to use the Active Watcher tool after putting its script into my common.js, instead lead me to a link that syas, "No redirect found". Assuming it was one of the side effects of the Server Tool shutdown, is it possible to recreate the tool so it can be usable again? The Snowager-is awake 06:59, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Snowager: I don't know anything about that tool. Please tell me more about the tool before I consider it. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre: The tool is a script created by User:Equazcion that lists the active watchers of a certain page, such as talk pages. It is accessed by going to "history" by clicking "Active" next to the "Number of watchers" section. However, the tool links to Labs and stopped working after the shutdown. The Snowager-is awake 06:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@Snowager: either this is a gadget you have installed, or I'm completely missing it. I don't see what you're talking about. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 04:00, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
@Magog the Ogre: You copy and paste the script in your common.js. You can read more about it on User:Equazcion/ActiveWatchers. The Snowager-is awake 18:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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RevDel request

Magog, would you consider doing a RevDel on grossly defamatory material just added/removed at Vox Day?[3] Kelly hi! 07:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

@Kelly: Done Magog the Ogre (t • c) 19:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

WTS

Hi Magog!

So nice that you help on WTS. If you get tired of deleting NowCommons you could also clean up in http://wts.wikivoyage-old.org/wiki/Category:Files_to_be_kept_locally (delete Copyvios etc.). If a few files are okay I can copy them to Commons.

I was thinking perhaps you could one day write a tool for easy transfer of files to Commons. For example I want to copy all files in Wikisource:da:Kategori:CC-BY-SA-3.0 to Commons. If we had a tool that is a combination of commons_images and fileinfo and oldver.

It should take the files in a category and make list like http://tools.wmflabs.org/magog/commons_images-wts.wikivoyage-1.htm where the text on the left is the text on Wikipedia/Wikisource/etc. and the text on the right is a suggested text for Commons.

If the file is okay user can click upload and the tool uploads the file on Commons. If it is to hard to make the tool clean up we could just have a link to the cleanup tool so that user can clean up and correct. Or if not to hard user could edit text before the file is uploaded.

When done user should be able to add NowCommons or delete.

If the file is not okay there could perhaps be a link to add a KeepLocal or have a text asking user to go to the page and add "No Permission", "No Source", "Keep Local", nominate for deletion or do what ever needed to fix the problem. --MGA73 (talk) 18:46, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@MGA73: have you by chance seen my most recent post to the pub? It gives instructions on how to make deletions go a touch easier. This helped me a lot in deleting ~4000-5000 files recently. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
@MGA73: also, I provided the ability to update the galleries from the index page: [4]. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 20:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes I noticed the deletion feature. But I like to remove the BotMoveToCommons template on Commons before I delete. So at the moment I do not miss the fast deletion button.
Oh I missed the update ability. Nice feature :-D --MGA73 (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Bots and HTTPS

How did you fix your bot to work under HTTPS? I am looking for any help I can find, see m:Talk:HTTPS#Bots. Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 14:11, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

@Wbm1058: my bot doesn't currently run under https; it just got confused when some of the thumbnail URLs started returning a prefix of https. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 16:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Ogre

BTW, there is a city in Latvia, that is named Ogre :) --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 08:30, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: you were born in Daugavpils, and yet you barely speak any Russian? Your mother must have been an itinerant. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 22:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

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Question

I have reported one editor before for edit-warring but instead the admin has blocked both of us,and the admin(now blocked indefinitely)then gave reasons for blocking me,but after reading the rules,i wasn't sure his verdict was right based on his decision,and this way this admin intimidated me to never ever report editors whom break the rules,i would like you see the case and see if the admins action was justified,especially that the admin considers an edit as far as 10 days as a revert.Please. here is the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alhanuty/Archive_3#Blocked_from_editing.Alhanuty (talk) 13:00, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@Alhanuty: it looks like a legitimate block. You undid someone else's edit more than once in a 24 hour span. That is never acceptable when you disagree with someone, unless they purposefully defacing the page just for fun (see WP:NOTVAND). Is there something that still isn't clear? I'll be glad to talk you through it. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 21:30, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

about the 10 days,back then after i gave up on that edit,a new reliable source confirmed that that city of Sheikh Maskeen was captured by the rebels ten days after my last revert,so i took this as if i am making a new edit,not that i am reverting the other users edit,so does this make a difference,because honestly i was never trying to break the 1RR rule,and i thought back then i was just simply making a new edits,seriously why would an editor wait ten days to revert an edit.Alhanuty (talk) 22:56, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Stefan4

What happened here? As far as I know, User talk:Stefan4 was a redirect to User talk:Stefan2 and not a redirect to File:California Health and Human Services Agency logo.png. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

@Stefan2: This appears to be a bug related to the Twinkle delink tool. Please report this bug at WT:TWINKLE. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Could you report it yourself? I'm not sure what the delink tool is or why it failed, so you would probably be able to make a better report. Is it related to the unlink tool which comments out links and file usage? --Stefan2 (talk) 09:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Done Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:29, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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A Request

I don't see a PM Function so I apologize if this is not the right method. I ask that the Iraqi Insurgency Map be Edit Protected for the same reasons as the Syrian Civil War Map so that only an Administrator can edit it do the actions of the same people on the Syrian Civil War Map. It is the last ditch effort to save that map, because so many edits were done without proper sourcing, we can't fix it. Otherwise the map might have to be deleted and it would be an utter shame to do. Tgoll774 (talk) 03:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Multi-gesture puppet

Hello, you recently blocked this user for racism in Rojava. However he seems to be back with a new sock User:Marvzi. Again adding the usual Arab criminals indications [5]. He edited Rojava several times for now and as always, casting doubts on anything listing YPG violations and using the Arab thing even when the source do not mention it.

I had reported him for edit warring but not the sock puppetry yet but he is editing with IP's and a sock !! He just refuse to stop.[6].--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 16:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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User:Marvzi

Magog, now that you've figured out who's the master, can you please reset the master's block back to two weeks? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

@Bbb23: I don't think that's a good idea. I blocked not for sockpuppetry, but for disruptive editing. He appealed, and it was turned down. This all happened before we knew this was a sock account. That this was a sockpuppet account only confirms that this editor is not suitable to edit on Wikipedia. Please let me know if you disagree. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I disagree. You blocked for 24 hours for a violation of 1RR. I upped that to two weeks based on the sock puppetry. Even your extension to indefinite was obviously based on your confusion as to who was the master and who was the puppet, based on your edits and the block log itself. If you'd wanted to indefinitely block the user for something other than sock puppetry, you would have had to do so before my findings at the SPI. The account couldn't have done anything new in the interim because they were already blocked. Please reset the block.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
@Bbb23: No. I blocked the person indefinitely because he is clearly WP:NOTHERE. If you disagree, please take the issue to ANI. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
And I did block him indefinitely before your finding. Dude, get your facts straight before coming and telling me to do something. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Please try to be civil. I blocked User:Marvzi at 20:15. I posted my findings at the SPI at 20:18. You blocked at 21:23, an hour later. Perhaps you're thinking of the other account that you blocked indefinitely before I even ran the CU. I didn't touch that block. Even if you hadn't indeffed that account, I would have done so as that account was the puppet.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:53, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
@Bbb23: Are you even paying attention to what I'm saying? The guy clearly came here with an agenda. The guy is not suitable for Wikipedia. I blocked the second account based on that. I would have blocked the first account if he'd only edited under that account. The unblock request was denied. That he was a sockpuppet is only proof this guy is no good. So yes, if you're blocked under a sock account, then when you get outted, you are liable to get blocked under your original account. Blocks are on people, not on accounts.
But hey, be my guest. Take this to ANI and go to bat for a racist agenda-based editor who was blocked for said edits. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:59, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
One last point before I decide whether I'll take further action or let it go. Did it ever occur to you to talk to me before essentially overriding my action? As I've already noticed, you're on a bit of a crusade in these areas. I know you think your crusade is righteous, but in addition to protecting the project, we do have to work together, not because collaboration is more important than protecting the project but because it enhances that protection.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
@Bbb23:
  • Did it ever occur to you to talk to me before essentially overriding my action? I didn't override your action. I completed the action I originally started. Which I keep repeating and you keep ignoring. You don't get to override my action just because you beat me to the punch. Unless you're seriously saying that when someone gets blocked indefinitely under a sock account (not for sockpuppeteering), that the original account shouldn't get blocked for the same length of time. And if you are, does that mean that if I had blocked the original account for disruption, the sock shouldn't be blocked indefinitely too? Because those two actions are completely indistinguishable logically (unless, of course, you are purposefully refusing to see the point).
  • you're on a bit of a crusade in these areas. I know you think your crusade is righteous ad hominem; nothing to respond to here.
  • in addition to protecting the project, we do have to work together, not because collaboration is more important than protecting the project but because it enhances that protection. - well maybe you should think of that before getting in a hissy over the fact I consummated my original block completely in line with policy? If you believe the original block on the individual was out of line, then please address that.
Please do not respond here again unless you're willing to address my points and stop ignoring them. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

If I may

From what I understand:

  • Magog the Ogre indef blocks Multi-gesture per WP:NOTHERE, this unblock request is declined (second block on that account).
  • Magog blocks Marvzi per 1RR
  • Bbb23 blocks Marvzi two weeks per checkuser (as the sockmaster of the two accounts)
  • Magog extends the block of Marvzi to indef in order to match the block of Multi-gesture
    • Important, this block rational is incorrect, it should have been blocked indef per WP:NOTHERE and sockpuppetry, not blocked as sockpuppet

So by my count, the person behind this account has been blocked three times per WP:NOTHERE, 1RR, and edit warring, with one unblock request declined. Then the checkuser block, then the transfer of the indef NOTHERE block from the sockpuppet account to the sock master account.

My suggestion is reblock the puppet with a checkuser block rationale, then reblock the master, indef, with a NOTHERE/sock master. --kelapstick(bainuu) 03:44, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Blocks are against people, not accounts. If a person is indeffed that is for all accounts. I think kelapstick's idea about clarifying the block rational may help make it clear to the community at large, however I don't think the source of disagreement between Magog and Bbb23 is due to misunderstanding but rather a difference of opinion(please correct me if I am wrong). In this case I would side with Magog, though I am partial to agreeing with Bbb23. Chillum 04:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Hannibal911

Deonis2012(Hannibal911) is defying the block on his account by instructing another editor (HCPUNXKID) to do the edits for him,Deonis2012 is insisting on POV the map and want other editors to do it for them,by editing by proxy.Alhanuty (talk) 21:08, 5 July 2015 (UTC) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hanibal911#Re:Syria_map

@Alhanuty: that is off Wikipedia and there isn't much we can do about stopping Hanibal, because it's not in our scope. However, it does mean that User:HCPUNXKID is technically breaking the rules. In my opinion it isn't as big of a deal as it is in yours; HCPUNXKID is simply asking for advice for improving the map, and his edits aren't any more problematic than anyone else's.
However, if you still think this is causing the map to be worse and/or that the HCPUNXKID's behavior should be sanctioned, by all means take the issue to WP:ANI. You may find a friendly ear there. But a warning, you've surely noticed: most administrators would rather not touch this situation with a 10-foot poll. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 23:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Rojava again

Hello, Im sorry to come here but its getting ridiculous. This guy is not giving up and is using hyper IP to edit the page [7]. He have like 5 IP !! I wrote on the talk page proving the new IP is multi-gesturs's (at the end of the conversation) Talk:Rojava#Propaganda_sources.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 22:17, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Attar-Aram syria: I only see one IP, but I've blocked it. If it continues to occur, let me know and I will have to protect the article. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 23:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, He used this today [8]. He is really making it personal on his talk page [9]. I know he will come back as a puppet. I think I should take Rojava off my watch list soon. Its getting stressful.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 23:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
@Attar-Aram syria: yeah he's a persistent one. Seems to be common with people who are spreading The Truth®. I've PC1 protected the article for 10 days, but my guess is he'll be back, and probably will keep going at it long term. Hope you have the stomach for it. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:( Thanks for your words, I hope I do as well.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 00:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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Map of Wells Fargo locations

Mind if you updated the map of Wells Fargo locations? It's more than five years old. I would like to know how you get all the data for this map, for I would like to make a copy of that map of locations myself, update it every six months and release it under the public domain on Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wells_Fargo_footprint_2010-03.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas J. Seymour (talk • contribs) 00:44, 22 July 2015‎

@Thomas J. Seymour: Yes, I'll look into it soon and let you know when it's complete. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 23:11, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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Copying files from WTS to Commons

Hi Magog!

I found out if we add "NowCommons" to a file on WTS that needs to be copied to Commons then it is easy to copy with your "commons_images-wts.wikivoyage.htm"

So I was thinking that perhaps I should add NowCommons to all the files that should be copied. Either with a bot or one by one.

Even some files without a license can be copied per MediaWiki:Uploadtext (see history) because all files uploaded after a specifik date was automatically licensed cc.

If you have any ideas please let me know. --MGA73 (talk) 20:08, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

@MGA73: I would suggest holding off on making any more edits to ja wikitravel until we get Stefan to translate for us (I pinged him). It seems they're not happy with our edits. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 05:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Yeah I noticed. I think perhaps they think that my reply is okay. --MGA73 (talk) 08:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I have been on vacation and were not very active on WTS the last week but now I noticed that WTS does not work for me. Do you have the same problem? I did however notice that you fixed the script so that it made a [htt...] link instead of a [[:voy:....]] link. Very nice :-) --MGA73 (talk) 17:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
@MGA73: WTS has been down for several days. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:41, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Wonder if it is down for good (like wikivoyage-shared or whatever the name was). --MGA73 (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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Map of Wells Fargo branches

Would you mind if you updated the map of Wells Fargo branches? A lot of new branches have opened since March of 2010. It would also be helpful if the image could be in a higher resolution, so I can focus more on metro areas.

Also, where do you get the data for this map? I am thinking of making a copy of this map all by myself, revising it every six months and publishing it in the public domain on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas J. Seymour (talk • contribs) 15:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Thomas J. Seymour: I get the data from the FDIC bankfind (you can Google it). I was trying to create a public tool for precisely this purpose, but I ran into a bit of a hitch. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 03:56, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
@Thomas J. Seymour: this is done. Let me know if there are any parameters I can tweak for you. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:18, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 August 2015

The Signpost: 19 August 2015

Signpost comment

You wrote

  • in the past few years, has cranked up the social justice push pieces up to 11

I think you meant

  • in the past few years, Cracked has cranked up the social justice push pieces up to 11

I haven't changed it, though I have no taboo over fixing typos in others comments, because I can't be sure that's what you mean to write.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:22, 22 August 2015 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: thanks, fixed. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

No ill will, Magog

I happen to think you were wrong; but let it be. I do hope you are watching that page now, because the POV warriors are still trying to put their anti-immigrant screed into the article, and it's gotten no better. I took it off my own watchlist, in the interest of not having something like that block happen again when I saw myself as simply preventing vandalism and destruction of existing consensus. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:14, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

@Orangemike: I am glad you are not upset with me. I am not upset with you either! As I said, I prefer no drama. Anyway, I hope I do not sound patronizing, but I'd like to highlight a few things in response:
  • People who disagree with you on content are not necessarily vandals (my pet essay!)
  • Consensus can change - edit warring to protect consensus is probably evidence that the consensus no longer exists. Most editors lack the knowledge of process or the self-restraint to use the talk page to challenge the consensus and should redirected there.
  • I invite you to engage in dialogue even if most people pushing a POV are bigots. When their ideas really are as hairbrained, they usually won't get far in dispute resolution. You might be surprised when some actually bring intelligent ideas. FWIW, when I constantly consume media I disagree with: I have found it helps to combat my own groupthink, as well as leaves me better equipped to challenge opposing ideas when they are wrongheaded.
  • I'm not entirely sure if there was any coordinated editing going on. It seems equally likely that the increased media focus of the term caused more eyeballs and thus more editors. Please let me know if you can find evidence of it so I can semiprotect.
I will try to monitor the article. By all means feel free to shoot me a note if you see a problem, as it may start to slip my mind. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:53, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Reporting Vandalism

This user has made edits which are vandalism. Could you please do something to ban him? Please forgive me, I am new here, and may not understand the reporting process. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 00:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry Pbfreespace3 but your report is not good. See below for a good report:
Let me start by giving some background. This is the (very biased) user who nominated the article for deletion a few weeks ago. After the failure of his Afd, he came back to the talk page and started blackmailing us by saying that if we don’t make the edits he wants us to make on the map, he will nominate the article for deletion again. Then he blackmails us again here by saying: “I am very close to nominating this map again.” And here again by saying: “So you can start to change or you can see your map nominated for deletion every week untill it is gone.”
To illustrate his general attitude, here he calls another user: “degenerate zombie”. And here he calls collectively all editors of the map: “you little terrorist supporting shit”. And here, he deletes a whole section from the talk page (4000 characters, with 5 participants).
We refused his blackmail, so he went to editing the map by reverting legitimate edits that he didn’t like without providing any source or making edit summary. We reverted his edits and gave him an explanation about the need to provide sources here. We also opened a total of 3 sections on his talk page as well as explained to him again on the map talk page. This didn’t do anything since he came back and reverted back the map many times without edit summary or sources, breaking 1RR twice:
I also want to note that some of his edits were relating to major cities like Zabadani and that he gave it a status that is completely unrealistic and unclaimed by anyone. It is hard to argue that these could be good faith edits. This could be viewed as intentional sabotage of the map that he failed to delete (and that he is threatening to delete). His message could be interpreted as: “Do what I ask you to do, or I will make your map a complete mess!” From his contributions list, you can see that he is essentially a WP:SPA who opened his account for the sole purpose of neutralizing the map and article. WP:SPA says: “… a significant number (of SPA) appear to edit for the purposes of promotion or showcasing their favored point of view, which is not allowed (WP:NOTADVOCACY). (my emphasis added). This person is not here to help build an encyclopedia. Tradediatalk 17:10, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I would be careful using the word "blackmail". Also are you claiming that User:Pbfreespace3 is User:SyrianObserver2015? Because I don't think this is the place to make such claims. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC).
Let me state for the record that I, User:Pbfreespace3, am not User:SyrianObserver2015. I want user User:SyrianObserver2015 to be banned from editing or doing anything that could possibly interfere with the Syria map, because that user has a history of blackmail and vandalism. I generally do not support, oppose, or care deeply about either side in the Syrian Civil War (west of Manbij, Maskanah, Palmyra). Pbfreespace3 (talk) 19:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
@Pbfreespace3 and Tradedia: thanks for the note (and especially to Tradedia for compiling evidence). I've given the user a few templated warnings, including one about sanctions, which should cover 1RR. The revert warring and personal attacks are unacceptable. Because the user was not previously warned, I'm not going to take any further action right now; I will give him enough rope to hang himself. I definitely will take further action if the behavior continues.
Pbfreespace3: please note that people make accusations of vandalism all the time on this article, and 99% of the time they are misusing the term. It might be correct in this situation (per Tradedia), but I just wanted to make you aware so that you don't make the same mistake.
Tradedia: I agree with Rich Farmbrough: blackmail might not be the optimal choice of words in this situation, even if it may be technically accurate. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 19:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

SyrianObserver2015 has just made 5 reverts in one day,should i report him for breaking 1RR.Alhanuty (talk) 22:09, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 August 2015

The Signpost: 02 September 2015

About my user page you practically deleted

It's a user page. It's not a real wiki page, I use Rey CF as a club name whenever I think of a fictional soccer team, nothing else. i would like to know if you would allow the page to resurface but with a clear box saying "THIS IS NOT A REAL TEAM".

Bandic00t (talk) 01:35, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

@Bandic00t: I've restored it but added a banner. That is fine. If you've copied the text from any Wikipedia articles, please state on the talk page where it came form, for copyright reasons. Also, I could not restore your image, also for copyright reasons, because it clearly was derived from this logo. If you want to create your own logo from scratch that is OK.
Please also note that in general, userpages are for regular contributors of Wikipedia, not for playpens. So you should probably only have a page if you are planning to be a regular contributor. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 05:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Melaleuca image

Hello Magog the Ogre,

Not a problem, or an error - just curious, for my own edification. Why did you (or a bot) replace File:Melaleuca quinquenervia bark.jpg with File:Starr 020803-0090 Melaleuca quinquenervia.jpg on Melaleuca? Both images are in Wikimedia Commons. (Both are equally appropriate too.)

Thank you and cheers! (Answer here is fine.)

Gderrin (talk) 05:39, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

@Gderrin: the image on Wikipedia at that the first name was actually the same as the image on Commons at the second name before I deleted it. It had been shadowing the Commons image. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:54, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Understood now - thank you. Gderrin (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Welcome. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:08, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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