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A bit echoing the above, the language tags are for reflecting the variant *used* in an article, not what you will be changing to. I looked through Martin McHugh and could not see _any_ variant usage at all, much less the specific Irish English. This a bit resembles nationalism.

Now I am wondering whether you can establish that other articles having to do with Gaelic football figures use that specialized term. Perhaps you can explain your text edits that way? Shenme (talk) 04:20, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I am unsure what you mean. If it is Template:Use Irish English, well the variant used in the article of an Irish person is Irish, just as it is Template:Use American English in an American, Template:Use Canadian English in a Canadian and so on. If it is the term bainisteoir, please see its opening where numerous sources using the term in English are provided. --Maor Foirne (talk) 04:33, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

What I was objecting to was a change to "Irish English" that was not present or in evidence before. But I see in the MOS:TIES section of WP:ENGVAR the specific statement:

An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation.

I presume that applies to Gaelic football-related articles?

Also when checking usages of bainisteoir I was seeing a fair number of usages _not_ related to sports. So becoming more general usage?

In any case, it is not the case that "they're Irish" necessarily means "Use Irish English" - respect for the original author should apply. But in the case of a specialized subject, and where there was no distinct variant used, sure, why not label with Use Irish English, if you feel you must. Shenme (talk) 17:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, naturally Gaelic fooball would use Irish English, as opposed to the American English that you might expect to find used in American football, etc.

What are the usages not related to sports? I am not seeing these at all. Unless you mean that some of them also do other things, like owning pubs and other businesses, involvement in politics after retiring, teaching... But these are side matters - their involvement in football is what they are noted for. --Maor Foirne (talk) 18:12, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Roghnóir

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Sources do not establish the notability of the term or its use. Fails WP:VER, WP:NN and WP:USEENGLISH.

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SPA

Hi. Please stop making unilateral and undiscused changes to dozens of articles. Please engage at Talk:Bainisteoir. And, if a consensus is established (with input from yourself and other editors), then we can agree how best to reflect that consensus in any related articles. Otherwise this unilateral crusade is inappropriate. Under WP:USEENGLISH and WP:CON guidelines. Thanks. (No need to respond here. Related article talk page is the place to discuss.) Guliolopez (talk) 01:07, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Need advice ('sline'?)

As part of a typo fixing project, I came across 'sline' in 2008 Dublin Senior Football Championship, alongside another short text 'pen'. Off in another article 2007 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship I found

f=free kick, '45'=45m kick, sline=sideline ball, p=goal scored from penalty.

so I'm thinking 'sline' is short for 'sideline' and 'pen' is short for 'penalty' (kicks).

There are around 12 articles using 'sline' in relation to GF topics. I'm wondering how to prevent more people wondering about these shorthands.

If these are plain standard abbreviations used with GF topics, then can you copy/expand that explanation from the 2007 article into the Gaelic football article describing the common notations?

If these notations are unconventional, would it be horrible to expand 'sline' to say 'sideline', and 'pen' to 'penalty'?

But if they are standard notations, then I can surround the technical words with something used here to mark "it's not misspelled!!" {{not a typo|sline}} which then looks unremarkable when displayed, e.g. sline, but doesn't confuse the automatic typo finding processes. Shenme (talk) 00:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

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