User talk:Marchjuly/Archives/2024/April

Question from Robbakk (12:44, 19 March 2024)

hi! thanks for offering to help. I am a bit confused by some advice I got on a page I tried to add. It says I need more external references. Does this mean that where I linked to the persons own company Web site I need to link to news coverage of that event instead? Or what am I missing? The article is William Ian Bell and is currently a draft. --Robbakk (talk) 12:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Robbakk. I apologize for not responding to your query sooner. Were you able to get assistance from someone else? If not, you might want to try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. When it comes to drafts about living persons that have been declined by a WP:AFC reviewer, it usually has to do with the reviewer feeling that the Wikipedia:Notability for the subject of the draft hasn't been sufficiently established to support a stand-alone article to be written. You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (persons) and Wikipedia:Reliable sources for some general information as to what AFC reviewers are looking for, and ask more specific questions at the "AFC Help Desk" I've linked to above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Anonymous8206 (15:00, 14 March 2024)

Hello..you have been randomly assigned to me as an advisor..I`ve been told I can ask you questions regarding editing...I seldom edit articles other than occasionally typos and spelling mistakes...however I do make suggestions on talk pages. I am assuming I have the right to edit my own personal talk page..other than this message I have never messaged anyone here directly..when people leave comments on my talk page I generally delete them and will continue to do so..if that is against policy I will probably delete this account. Can you tell me what I need to do to message someone here directly ? This box just appeared so I thought I would ask you. Thanks --Anonymous8206 (talk) 15:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Anonymous8206. I apologize for not responding to your query sooner. Were you able to get assistance from someone else? If not, you can find out more about how to use talk page at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. In general, you're permitted to edit your own user talk page as you see fit as long as you don't stary too far outside the lines of what's considered appropropriate for Wikipedia's purposes. The important thing to remember is that your user talk is sort of like a rental; Wikipedia is letting you use it and gives you a fair amount of latitude when it comes to how you use it, but it's still Wikipedia's page so to speak and you need to adhere to relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines when doing so.You can remove content posted by others, in principle, but you will need to do so in accordance with WP:OWNTALK.

When you "remove" content, it's still there in the page history for others to see if they want and because of Wikipedia's licensing requirements; you, cannot, however, permantly delete content from the page history yourself. In order to remove (i.e. hide) content in a page's history, you will need to get an WP:ADMINinstrator or WP:OVERSIGHTer to step in and do so. The content will still be there, but it will be hidden from public view. Be advised that administrators and oversighters tend to only do this kind of thing in very extreme cases or serious violations of Wikipedia policy.

As for deleting accounts altogether, this is not possible due to Wikipedia's licensing requirements as explained in WP:DELETEACCOUNT. If you no longer decide to edit, you can simply stop and not use the account again. You may also request a WP:COURTESYVANISHING if you want, but whether such a thing is granted needs to be determined by an administrator.

Each user account has a corresponding user talk page in the same way that each Wikipedia article has a corresponding article talk page. So, if you would like to contact someone via Wikipedia, you can click on their username, and then click on the "Talk" tab at the top of the page. You can then post a message on their user talk page. Whether they decide to respond is entirely up to them, but most will do so as long as your post is WP:CIVIL. You may have to be patient when it comes to a reply because all users are WP:VOLUNTEERs and sometimes they get WP:BUSY with other things. If someone has posted something on your user talk page that you'd like to respond to, the best thing to do is to generally reply there since it keeps everything in one place. You can do so by clicking on the "reply" button right below their posts. The same applies to comments posted on article talk pages. If you'd like to respond to something posted there, you can just click on the "reply" button below the relevant post.

Finally, you might want to reconsider what you posted at the top of your user talk page for a couple of reasons. The first one is, as pointed out above, your user talk page isn't really yours in the sense that you can lock it down or prevent others from posting on it. The purpose of the page is may it possible for others to contact you regarding things related to Wikipedia. In some cases, others might be actually be required per relevant Wikipedia policy to post notifications or other messages on your user talk page just to make you aware of something. You can remove these in many cases as explained in OWNTALK, but others will assume that you've read whatever was posted and are aware of what's going on if you do. The second reason is that Wikipedia is intended to be a collaborative editing project in which users are encouraged (expected) to resolve disagreements through discussion as explained in WP:DR. Sometimes these discussion might not go the way that we want, but we have to try and remember (perhaps even more so) to remain civil and focused on the content of what's being discussed more so in such cases. We are all in a sense "guests" of Wikipedia who are being allowed to use things Wikipedia to try and help improve it as an encyclopedia. Anything that strays too far from that purpose can lead to sanction or even possibly an account being blocked. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Photo Edits

The edits recommended to black out social security number is not necessary, since SSN are not reissued to another person. Also, knowing Dana Plato's SSN is not useful for a scammer of bad actor since they will not be able to pass a credit check in case they wanted to perform financial fraud. Thanks for keeping the content up to date. :)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dana_Plato%27s_official_death_certificate.jpg 69.123.119.68 (talk) 04:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 69.123.119.68. I apologize for not responding sooner, but I'm not sure what you're asking about. If you're asking to have the removed content of the image restored to the file, then the place to do so would be on Commons. Perhaps the SS# removal was overly zealous for the reasons you've given, but I can't unhide the no longer visible older version of the file which shows it. You will need to ask a Commons administrator to do so by posting a request at c:COM:AN. You should, however, consider whether Plato's SS# is relevant encyclopedically in any way before doing so even if it isn't possible for such information to be used by others in an inappropriate way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Nick Khan

Hi @Marchjuly, I hope you're well! Cheers for the heads up on the Nick Khan front.

I added that tag as I thought it could be used as an exception, as unlike other past and present corporate officers in the WWE (Bruce Prichard, Triple H, Stephanie McMahon), Nick doesn't make any on-screen appearances as a character in their storylines, he really is only behind the scenes as a company president, making it harder to get photos of him at live events or in public at all.

The TNT Sports interview with Helwani was one of the only times he sat down for a face-to-face interview, providing us with a good opportunity for an info box photo. He does make public appearances on occasion like ringing the bell at the New York Stock Exchange, though I don't believe there are any Public Domain or Creative Commons photos of these appearances.

Would it be worth sending an email to WWE corporate asking them to release his company portrait to the Public Domain? There may be a slim chance they do it being so big, but rival wrestling firm All Elite Wrestling (AEW) have granted Wikipedia permission to upload portraits of some of their characters to Wikipedia, such as Saraya.

Failing that, I could reach out to the two companies he has worked for in the past (ICM and the Creative Arts Agency), asking for any photos they have being released into the Public Domain.

Please let me know what you think, and thanks again for the heads up.

Best wishes, Mechanical Elephant (talk) 23:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mechanical Elephant While I'll appreciate you trying to clarify things, I'm still afraid that even under the circumstances you've described above that it's going to change things when it comes to non-free image use.

Non-free images of still living persons are pretty much never allowed except in some fairly extreme circumstances (e.g long-term missing persons, long-term incarcerated persons, someone's who physical appearance has changed so dramitically for whatever reason that it has in and of itself been the subject of sourced critical commentary in reliable sources, and possibly persons well-known and reliably sourced as living hermit-like lifestyles in which they never step outside of their own front doors), none of which seem applicable in this case. Given that Kahn is a public officer of a major sports/entertainment conglomerate/organization, it seems unlikely that any non-free of him would be allowed. He might've chosen to follow a different path than his predecessors perhaps and is trying to keep a low profile, but that's not really a good reason in and of itself (at least not in my opinion) to justify using a non-free file. Actually, claiming a non-free file is needed to identify a person because said person seems to want to stay out of the limelight seems a bit odd to me since no image should probably be used at all if respecting their personal privacy is a main concern.

Anyway, if you want to be proactive instead of waiting for free equivalent image to someday be uploaded by someone else, your best course of action may indeed be to try a procure a free equivalent image per WP:PERMISSION and hope for the best. Some persons have had success doing something like that, but others not so much. FWIW, the photos don't need to be released into the public domain per se, they just need to be released under a free license that works for Wikipedia/Commons. If you are able to get an image this way, you should upload it to Commons to make it easier for other Wikimedia Foundation projects (e.g. non-English Wikipedias) to use.

Finally, if you still disagree with my assessment after reading the above, you can seek other feedback at WP:MCQ or WT:NFCC (one of the two venues should suffice to avoid redundancy). You can also follow the instructions given in the template and contest the file's speedy deletion. In fact, that is a much better way to contest the file's deletion since that is where the administrator who ultimately reviews the file will be looking when they review the speedy deletion tag. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

For all the file name requests per FNC. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from kbill98 (15:05, 3 April 2024)

Hello! I am a newbie on Wikipedia and you recently made an edit on my page [Mamba Mentality: How I play]. I was wondering if you had any more suggested edits or advice for my article? Any feedback would be appreciated! -- kbill98 (talk) 15:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi kbill98. I only made some minor formatting tweaks. If you'd like someone to take a closer look at the article and assess it, try asking at a Wikiproject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Books or Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels. That's where you're likely going to find Wikipedia more familiar with article about such books. I will give you some general advice related to Wikipedia though: it's probably a good idea to avoid referring to articles as "my page" when discussing them for the reasons given in WP:OWN because such thing can easily lead to misunderstanding, particularly in discussions involving multiple people that might be a bit contentious from the get-go. Another suggest is to properly formatted WP:WIKILINKS when linking internally to other Wikipedia pages like The Mamba Mentality:_How I Play; there's no need for use an WP:EXTERNALLINK in the Wikilink syntax. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Neunormal (08:03, 4 April 2024)

NeuNormal is a new athlesiure brand which is going to step into functional fashion. This wikipedia will consist of all the information which a functional wear can bring and showcase the article and work. --Neunormal (talk) 08:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Neunormal. You don't seem to be asking a question, but rather trying to promote something. Before you go any further, I strongly suggest that you take a very careful look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability because Wikipedia might not be suited for what you might want to do. I also suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Username policy#Promotional usernames because you probably are going to need to change your username at some point if you intend to try and create an article about something called "NeuNormal". Finally, you should also take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure because I think the information contained in those two page possibly applies to you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Request for review of list of Dutch honours

@Marchjuly: Hi! (I hope you recall me ... was working on the list of honours by states and reverted your edits to restore the flag icons on the headers). I have rectified the error. Since I am working on various similar other lists, I recently worked to fully updated the article on the List of honours of the Netherlands awarded to heads of state and royalty (albeit needed to move the article to fix the grammar). It would be helpful if you'd check if there are any mistakes regarding the formatting so that I can rely on the format while working on the other articles of the same fashion.

Thanking you; have a wonderful day/night ahead. Oritsu.me (talk) 18:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Oritsu.me. Formatting wise nothing really jumps out at me like before, but you might want to ask for input at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists for some general feedback regarding the layout of the article. You might also want to take a look at WP:DATEUNIFY since some the dates in some of the cited references are using an all numerical "MM-DD-YYYY" format, whereas others are using a "date-month-year" format; it would probably be a good idea to convert all of those numerical format dates to the "day-month-year" format. I really don't have any ideas about the contextual relevance of the article content, except perhaps that a number of the citations seem to be to online photos which is generally not a great thing to do; it would probably better to cite reliable sources that are commenting on the photos (articles/announcements about what's taking place in the photos) than the photos themselves. For more feedback on the content of the article, you might want to ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Orders, decorations, and medals. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Images

Hi @Marchjuly !

Thanks for reaching out regarding the images I've uploaded. May I ask why you think there are free alternatives for each image? I was unable to find free alternatives which is why they are uploaded as non-free use with the copyright holder named (some of which are no longer living). Legally, in the US, images of public persons can be used for educational use as long as they are NOT published with the intent of commercial applications. please advise. thx! Slacker13 (talk) 21:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

ah got it. thanks for pointing this out. making adjustments. much obliged. Slacker13 (talk) 21:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Since you've asked about this at WP:MCQ#I can't use a non-free image for info box of BLP's?, I'll let others respond. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion tags

Hello Marchjuly,

You wrote on my talk page:

>> WP:DECORATIVE non-free use in JoJo Siwa#Other ventures which fails WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#8. Despite the claim made in the non-free use rationale provided for this use, the single sentence about Siwa'a performance in the CBS Dick Van Dyke special doesn't require seeing this screenshot to be understood; so, the simple text description of the performance is more than sufficient per WP:FREER. Moreover, the screenshot itself isn't really the subject of any sourced critical commentary or otherwise significant to the reader's encyclopedic understanding of the relevant article content to the extent that not seeing the screenshot would be detrimental to that understand. Similar to films, screenshots for TV shows can be used when they are related to some technical, production, thematic, design, etc. aspect of the TV show that might be receiving coverage in reliable sources for one reason or another, but generally not to simply "show" someone performing in the show or some other plot aspect. A screenshot showing Siwa dancing doesn't really need to be seen by readers to understand that Siwa performed in the show, and it's hard to see how a low-resolution still image of one moment during her performance can portray the atmosphere of that performance to the reader. <<

(And you provided me with an identical paragraph pertaining to the Zachary Levi page.)

Considering your status as someone who Wikipedia administration assigns as an advisor, I'm not inclined to remove the proposed deletion tags which you placed on those image file captions.

In your paragraph above, you raise the following two issues:

1. The image file isn't "significant to the reader's encyclopedic understanding of the relevant article".

My response: The same can be said for every "free image" photo I've ever seen that has been placed on an article about a person.

2. .."it's hard to see how a low-resolution still image of one moment during her performance can portray the atmosphere of that performance"

My response: The atmosphere of the performances as captured by the still images jumps right out at me. More importantly, those images communicate the performers' aptitudes.

It's sad that the policies, as written, regarding fair-use non-free images have such a stifling effect on the content of an article. The Zachary Levi and JoJo Siwa images that are part of their respective articles are exactly what readers love to see. Those images are uplifting and make the reading of an article a greater pleasure. The main point of having an encyclopedia, as with anything, is enjoyment. The images in the articles of subject do not constitute anything false or misleading.

I hope you will remove the proposed deletion tags.

PeteUMD — Preceding undated comment added 10:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Freely licensed images and non-free images are not subject to the same policy so trying to compare the way such images can be used on Wikipedia is sort of like trying to compare an apple to an orange; they're similar in that they are both images and subject to WP:IUP, but there are way more additional restrictions placed on non-free use; moreover, Wikipedia's non-free content use policy has been set up to be even more restrictive than even the concept of fair use.

I disagree with your assessment of impact of these files; they might jump out at you, but that could be just because you were adding a number of screenshots from the Dick Van Dyke special to not only the Siwa BLP but also several other BLPs. As I posted in the rationale I gave when proposing these files for deletion; this type of non-free use is pretty much a textbook case of WP:DECORATIVE non-free use in that removing the screenshots will not be detrimental to the reader's understanding in significant way. You can disagree with my assessment if you like, and WP:DEPROD the files; however, I will then bring them up for discussion at WP:FFD, where I think you're going to have a really hard time establishing a consensus if favor of their non-free use unless you're able to find specific sourced critical commentary about the particular screenshot itself and add that to the respective articles.

I haven't been invested with any special privileges by the WMF or anyone else. I'm not a Wikipedia administrator, but even if I was that still wouldn't given any special status when it comes to something like this. I do, however, have quite a bit of experience when it comes to non-free content use and good grasp of what kinds of things are generally considered OK. So, before you de-prod the files, you might want to seek other input at either WP:MCQ or WT:NFCC. Either of those places is where you're going to find other Wikipedians familiar with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy, and if there's something faulty about my proposing the file's for deletion, one of them will almost certainly step in a de-prod the files.

Finally, the policy as written is what it is, and it's been that way for quite a long time. You can discuss the policy and propose changes if you feel it's too restrictive. The place to do so would be a WT:NFCC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

TeaHouse off topic conversation

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

I've got nothing more to add to this. If you two want to continue the discussion, do it on your user talk pages. I going to do something that I don't think I've even done before and ask you both to not post here on my usertalk page anymore unless you're required to do so (i.e. an official notification of a discussion concerning me) by relevant policy, or you have a specific and legitimate question related Wikipedia editing. Anything else will be ignored/removed as I deem necessary. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Marchjuly, I saw that discussion closed thing that you put on there. I tbh agree with u, there was some trolling going on in the conversation. I just wanted to help, and it said discussion closed before I got to it, I was trying to warn them about how the conversation was getting off topic and it was already closed by the time I got there. Hope u understand, Thanks! -Starixxgamerrix Starixxgamerrix (talk) 01:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The bold close of the discussion had nothing to do with what your or anyone else responding to the OP posted; it was entirely based on the posts of the OP since they were going nowhere and it didn't seem like the OP was going to stop anytime soon. If you want to continue the discussion and feel there's something to be gained by doing so, feel refer to revert the close. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

To answer both you and @Starixxgamerrix I’m not trolling and I hate therapy. I hate whenever my posts about genuine discussion are shut down and everything I say discarded as trolling. It’s happened to me many many times and I’m honestly sick of it. I’m not mad, just saying. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 01:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Well.... I'm sorry, but the conversation was kinda getting off topic, and I was not the one who put the trolling thing. Why are we starting an argument about this, it was handled already. I don't want to get banned or Marchjuly or you, for fighting. It's one on Wikipedia's policies, I think. Starixxgamerrix (talk) 02:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow you are supposed to ask questions at the Teahouse, not a life coach, see on Wikipedia's policies of what Wikipedia is not Starixxgamerrix (talk) 02:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I’m not arguing though? Just clearing things up WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I don’t want to get banned either… WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 02:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry if that happens to you many times, Idk what is happening either... Starixxgamerrix (talk) 02:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

If either you feel I acted out of order, you're free to continue this discussion at WP:ANI. Other than that, please post nothing more about this here on my user talk page, unless you're notifying me of an ANI discussion as required. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sorry if we are bothering u. We will discuss this later at the ANI Starixxgamerrix (talk) 02:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

why not? Is it because you don’t want your page to be clogged up or because you hate me and want me gone? WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

uhm no and why would I want u gone? Starixxgamerrix (talk) 03:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

and I don't hate Starixxgamerrix (talk) 03:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not being bothered you per se. It's just that there's nothing more I can add about this other than what I've posted above, and I want to avoid having my user talk page be filled up with posts like this, this and this. So, please go interact with each other somewhere else before one of you (particularly WheneverWeAreNow) goes too far and gets hit with a WP:NOTHERE block. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok then tell me where else to go. I’m sick and tired of being banned from every place imaginable, I just want to participate like everyone else. And there’s nothing wrong with what you linked. My conversations are already being shut down left and right (”archiving is just locking and it’s making me mad) so I can tell I’m not welcome here, like everyone else…WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Marchjuly and @WhereverWeAreNow guys just stop please Starixxgamerrix (talk) 03:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Im tired of this arguing Starixxgamerrix (talk) 03:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Over one topic, I'm just tired of it, I was trying to help and this conversation has gotten out of control, so... Just Stop! Please... Starixxgamerrix (talk) 03:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

You’re upset yet you put extremely upsetting content in your user boxes and just that alone makes me more upset than you ever will.

I made her mad and it’s all my fault… WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

what no I don't do that... just stop Starixxgamerrix (talk) 03:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

stop or I'll place an ANI Starixxgamerrix (talk) 03:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Question from ShawnPatrickStarry (00:36, 10 April 2024)

How do I make a page on myself? --ShawnPatrickStarry (talk) 00:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi ShawnPatrickStarry. It's not clear what you mean by make a page on myself. Do you mean make a Wikipedia article about yourself? Do you mean create an Wikipedia userpage about yourself? There are different policies and guidelines associated with each, so please take a look at the following general information pages. For information about how to create a Wikipedia article, please read Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest, Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. For information about how to create a Wikipedia userpage, please read Wikipedia:User pages and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. If after looking at those pages you still have questions, feel free to ask them here, at Wikipedia:Help desk or Wikipedia:Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thank you for answering my question with such detail! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)