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Your draft article, Draft:CaseTalk[edit]

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April 2020[edit]

Information icon Hello. Your recent edit to Comparison of data modeling tools appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 15:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help me[edit]

Thanks for pointing that out. I've had this page undeleted and I am in the process of rewriting it. The goal is to have CaseTalk which is data modeling tool similar to Norma, and facilitates ER/Studio and PowerDesigner, to be listed and documented on wikipedia. Since it is the sole tool that supports the method FCO-IM, it might be useful to be listed. Can anyone advice in regard to the style of the content and my potential COI?

Can you please describe your COI here? What kind of conflict of interest do you have? To reply click here and add your message at the end. Thanks, --Gryllida (talk) 05:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are two tools available that support the modeling method FCO-IM which is still used in educational institutes. A freeware version of earlier prototypes which is not actively maintained since the beginning of this century. And a tool called CaseTalk which is offered for free for educational purposes. I'm the maintainer of this product now since 2001. When I'm playing honest and nice, the Draft:CaseTalk gets removed the next day. So I'm not sure how to proceed in this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.87.123.53 (talk) 08:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think you meant to talk to either Gryllida or MrOllie. I dream of horses (t) (c) Remember to {{ping}} me after replying off my talk page 09:09, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gryllida:, @MrOllie: & @I dream of horses:, I'm responsible for trying to get a page called CaseTalk up. I've started the draft, mentioned my COI, en before I could react, the page got removed already. The relevance is that there are two tools available that support the modeling method FCO-IM which is used in educational institutes. (1) A freeware version of earlier prototypes which is not actively maintained since the beginning of this century. (2) A tool called CaseTalk which is offered for free for educational purposes. The COI is that I'm the maintainer of this product now since 2001. I've tried to align the text similar to other data modeling tools on the market. So I'm not sure how to proceed in getting this listed without people tagging and removing it as advertorial. I'm trying not to be that. Can you help or give advice? Regards. Marco.wobben (talk) 19:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. thank you for creating the page. I would suggest these three things:
  • Please visit User:Marco.wobben, and add {{UserboxCOI|1=Draft:CaseTalk}}, click Publish changes.
  • Are you paid to edit? Please let me know.
  • For the article itself, please collect a few best sources and list their URLs or names here. After I view these sources and see that they follow the principles of WP:42, I can advise you how to proceed to create the draft so that it is more likely to be kept and not deleted. Here is a source search tip:
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Thanks, Gryllida (talk) 20:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gryllida:, thanks for the pointers. Some of these sources were mentioned on the original page in proper ref-formats. I'll quickly iterate the full list. In regard to your question, I can say "I don't get paid for this editing".

Sources naming, referring to, and writing about CaseTalk[edit]

Books[edit]

  • Book expounding structure and method of FCO-IM referencing to use CaseTalk. The Dutch software company BCP Software brings their FCO-IM tool CaseTalk in three editions: a Book Edition (free) an Educational Edition (free for university students and lecturers all over the world) and a Professional Edition .. This book offers a complete basic course in Fully Communication Oriented Information Modeling (FCO-IM), a Fact Oriented Modeling (FOM) data modeling technique. ... The book also illustrates how data models in other techniques can be derived from an elementary FCO-IM model. ... The powerful software tool CaseTalk supports everything covered here.
  • This book by Guido Bakema, Jan Pieter Zwart, Harm van der Lek is also available in Dutch print Volledig Communicatie-georiënteerde Informatie-modellering[1].
  • Rosedata Stone by Steve Hoberman. CaseTalk is the most popular tool that supports FCO-IM. ... Once the BTM is complete in CaseTalk, it can generate different types of databse structures such as spreadsheets, relational, XML and JSON.
  • Fact Oriented Modeling with FCO-IM . CaseTalk Modeler is an excellent modeling tool that implements almost everything in this book.
  • Conceptual Modelling in Information Systems Engineering Various software tools support different flavours of the fact-oriented approach. ... The FCO-IM version is supported by the commercial tool CaseTalk.
  • Simulation Conceptual Modeling By Jeffrey Strickland. Various software tools exist to enter ORM schemas and generate relational databse schemas. These include Microsoft Visio for Enterprise Architects, ... CaseTalk .. and NORMA.
  • Handbook of Research on Emerging Rule-Based Languages and Technologies by Giurca, Adrian. Many commercial and academic tools that support ORM solutions are available, including the ORM solution within Microsoft's Visio for Enterprise Architects, NORMA, CaseTalk, ..
  • Information Modeling and Relational Databases by Terry Halpin, Tony Morgan. The FCO-IM version is supported by the commercial tool CaseTalk ...
  • Jan Pieter Zwart, Marco Engelbart, Stijn Hoppenbrouwers Fact Oriented Modeling with FCO-IM - Capturing business semantics in data models with fully communication oriented information modeling [2]

Educational[edit]

  • Fact Oriented Modeling Training "FOM as a method is described completely in the book Fully Communication Oriented Information Modeling, and further elucidated in the accompanying book with exercises and cases. The method is fully supported in conformity with the theory by CaseTalk, the FOM Casetool of BCP Software. FOM is cornerstone of the Information Management Frame. This Frame is described in the book About Facts and Things."
  • FCO-IM Tutorial (1) "Now, you can do it manually or you can use a tool like CaseTalk. ... Below, I have used CaseTalk to identify ... "
  • Fact-Oriented Modeling in ERM and FCO-IM Teachers presenting the difference between ER Diagramming and FCO-IM using CaseTalk. "Better FOM technique: FCO-IM and CaseTalk", (slides 54..61)

Dutch Educational pages

  • Dutch tutorial A tutorial with lots of screenprints on how to operate CaseTalk for an example case. (Google translated link)

Research[edit]

Magazines (NL)[edit]

Marco.wobben (talk) 08:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome![edit]

Hello, Marco.wobben, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

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Regarding the sources list which you added above (thank you!)[edit]

Hi Marco.wobben :-) Thank you for listing these sources above in another section. Next to each of them could you please list what useful information about CaseTalk do these sources include? Include a sentence or two with a short description of information which the source provides. This could be useful as the first step for creating the skeleton of the article draft. --Gryllida (talk) 06:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Bakema, Guido; Zwart, Jan Pieter; van der Lek, Harm (2002), Volledig Communicatie-georiënteerde Informatie-modellering (1st ed.), tenHagenStam, ISBN 90-267-2316-4
  2. ^ Zwart, Jan Pieter; Engelbart, Marco; Hoppenbrouwers, Stijn (2015), Fact Oriented Modeling with FCO-IM - Capturing business semantics in data models with fully communication oriented information modeling (1st ed.), Technics Publications, ISBN 978-1-63462-086-4
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