User talk:Mbakkali

Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions on a highly technical subject.

ShakespeareFan00 11:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

March 2024[edit]

Hello, I'm M.Bitton. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Tajine have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 19:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Tajine, you may be blocked from editing. Skitash (talk) 19:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Sorry, I am not vandalizing or trying to do so. I just think that, for accuracy, this item (the tajin), should be atributed to its precise origin (Morocco). It is made in Morocco (there are actually no pictures or evidence, not a single one, that the tajin is made by potters of any other country). The only country that has tajin as traditional widely used dish is Morocco (this is why the only tajin pictures that you would find are from Morocco). As to dividing Moroccans into Jewish and non-Jewish I find it irrelevant since all Moroccans are just that; Moroccans regardless of their believes.

Please see the evidence (pictures, videos, books, where it is made, where it is used...) and you will see why I think that this wiki should be made more accurate. We are talking about a cultural heritage and it should be treated with the necessary rigor.

All that being said, none of the edits that I wanted to introduce are wrong, flase or inacurrate.

All the best. Mbakkali (talk) 21:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is material about Algerian tagines all over the place online. Two of the sources cited in the section discuss them. Largoplazo (talk) 22:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No there are not (and that is why the only picture from Algeria and Tunisia don't look like a tajin). Tajin is universally known as part of the Moroccan heritage and the appropriation efforts that some Algerian officials are waging and that all the social media speak about should not be allowed to infect Wikipedia. Where are the tajin manufactories in Algeria?, When do Algerian eat tajin? What about the tens of videos of Algerian media calling it Moroccan tajin?... even the picture that you produce as "Algerian tajin" is not actually in a tajin! and what you show as a Tunisian tajin (to distract from the appropriation) has nothing to do with tajin (the picture speaks for itself). The amalgam of North Africa, Middle east, Sephardi, Jewish that this article uses looks just a distraction from the real issue, Algerian officials are trying to highjack Moroccan heritage (and this is why Algeria is put aside Morocco in a separate paragraph and the rest (Tunisia, Libya Jewish... are put aside). Also, Moroccans do not discriminate or distinguish between Jewish and non-Jewish, they are all Moroccans regardless of their believes--Moroccans are all the same.

One other proof of the intentional hijacking of a cultural heritage is that none of the pictures name the country from where they are except one (the one of the strange dish from Algeria), and that is in spite of almost all the pictures of the canonical/true tajin being from Morocco.

All in all, tajin does not exist in North Africa, except from Morocco and Middle Easterners don't even know about it.

Of course, anyone can prepare any dish anywhere and call it tajin, anyone can prepare any dish and put it in a tajin, even anyone can prepare an actual tajin in a tajin dish, but only Moroccans make the tajin pot and only them have the tajin as an ancestral traditional and widely used dish. Just like pizza, it is everywhere and with different styles, but it can only be acknowledged as of Italian origin. I'am sure that there are lots of pizza pictures in Algeria, but that does not make pizza Algerian!

I am a Wikipedia user and supporter since over ten years and I seldom edited. But this post needs to be rigorous since it is flawed and loaded with falsehoods.

We cannot say that something is North African, Middle Eastern, Algerian... while all the evidence that we produce is Moroccan!

Let's keep Wikipedia rigorous please! Mbakkali (talk) 23:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand you correctly, to keep Wikipedia rigorous, we should ignore sources that say, for example, that tajine is the national dish of Algeria, and that explain that it's a large part of their culinary culture, because one person insists on a scenario that sounds like all the Algerians got together one day and decided that it would be really cool to piss off the Morrocans by pretending that Algerians also consider tajine to be one of their traditional dishes when they really don't, because maybe that would somehow make them feel good about themselves. I know I'm being sarcastic, but you're the one who's lacking in rigor. Largoplazo (talk) 00:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again,

As crazy as it might sound there is actually a heritage hijacking not only of tajin, but also cloths... and that is stated even in official TVs.

If tajin was Algerian then there should be more pics, videos...evidence from Algeria. All but two pictures in the page are from Morocco. Also, the pics that are not from Morocco don't even look like a tajin (can't you see that?).

Where do Algeria manufacture tajines (any city, name, pics, video...)?...

Algerian food is Turkish and French looking (that is because of Algerian history).

The reality is that, if you want to buy tajin where it is made or eat it, and apart from Moroccans and Moroccan restaurants abroad, you can only have it in Morocco--how many Algerian restaurants in Algeria and abroad serve tajin? In what occasions do Algerians eat tajin?

Why Algerian TV called it Moroccan before the hijacking started?

Sorry for all the text. I think that this page should be edited for accuracy but, if my request is denied, I won't bother anymore reality will always stay as the reality and the ancestral, traditional and real tajin will always be in Morocco just like pizza in Italy, mousaka in Greece...

All the best Mbakkali (talk) 00:22, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to say that if I write a book claiming that pizza is the national dish of Morocco, that also would be a source but it won't be a reliable source. And no, I am not saying that all Algerians got together to do whatever, but yes I say that the Algerian government (I think that we both know its nature and how such governments work) is engaging in such deeds. Also, I am not the only one to say that--if you understand Arabic just have a look at social media and even the official Algerian TV.

Again I say that tajin is not manufactured in Algeria and for an Algerian to make tajin s/he has to see the cookbook from Morocco. If tajin were Algerian then it might also be Somali.

Think what you want, but that is reality. Mbakkali (talk) 00:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Sorry, I just realized that I started with no Hello and ended my message abruptly. So I apologize for the unintended little politeness of my message. So please accept my apology for that omission. That being said, it is true that tajin pottery (tajin potters) exist only in Morocco (they export to Algeria, Spain...) and that the tajin dish is prepared as we know it only in Morocco. It is true that recently other countries adopted it as fashion/trendy dish, but that does not make it theirs. One more proof in favour of my claim is that, saying that it is Norh African contradicts the picture and even the text about Libya and Tunisia--and what about Mauritania? As to the Middle East, and apart from Israelis of Moroccan origin, no others use tajin (no Lebanese, no Jordanians, Syrians, Saudis...).

Actually, the most accurate claim in that text is the one from who was described as historian of Jewish food. And it is actually in full agreement with where the clay pot named tajin is manufactured, and where the dish is traditionally and widely eaten.

As to separating Jewish people from the rest, I just thing it is not appropriate; Moroccan Jews are as Moroccan as any other Moroccan and there should be nothing to make them apart.

All the best, Mbakkali (talk) 00:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent editing history at Tajine shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Skitash (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you blank out or remove content from Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to Tajine. TRL (talk) 20:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

As I said before:

Sorry, I am not vandalizing or trying to do so. I just think that, for accuracy, this item (the tajin), should be attributed to its precise origin (Morocco). It is made in Morocco (there are actually no pictures or evidence, not a single one, that the tajin is made by potters of any other country). The only country that has tajin as traditional widely used dish is Morocco (this is why the only tajin pictures that you would find are from Morocco). As to dividing Moroccans into Jewish and non-Jewish I find it irrelevant since all Moroccans are just that; Moroccans regardless of their believes.

Please see the evidence (pictures, videos, books, where it is made, where it is used...) and you will see why I think that this wiki should be made more accurate. We are talking about a cultural heritage and it should be treated with the necessary rigor.

All that being said, none of the edits that I wanted to introduce are wrong, false or inaccurate.

All the best. Mbakkali (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for edit warring, as you did at Tajine. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bbb23 (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]