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Burning of Washington

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made: you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. --AW (talk) 15:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I once used these templates, but frankly, such a great proportion of them are ignored by the recipients that it isn't worth the effort. Mindmatrix 15:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

EEStor Edit War

Regarding the edit war on the EEStor page, the website TheEEStory.com may have started life as a blog but has become the main site tracking EEStor's progress. The site was recently recognized as a "News Media Requester" by the U.S. Department of Energy FOIA Officer Miriam R. Legan To continue to categorize the site as a blog is just silly.

Tom Villars — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tvillars (talk • contribs) 20:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Please discuss this on the article's talk page. Mindmatrix 20:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but will you unlock the page?--tvillars (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

There's too much edit warring about that link. I'll let the discussion resolve on the talk page, then lift the protection. Mindmatrix 20:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough.--tvillars (talk) 20:47, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Well maybe not. I just got called a flaming homo addicted to vietnam porn. While someone was nice enough to clean this up, I'm inclined not to spend any more time rolling around in the mud with this issue anymore. You are the moderator so I'll leave it up to you decide if this has gone far enough.--tvillars (talk) 21:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Ignore the trolls. Adminstrators (including me) lend no credence to comments made by trolls and disruptive users. We discuss the idea, not the individual. Mindmatrix 16:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

What's going on with the EEStor article?

I object to your locking of the EEStor article without notice that you locked it, and also without giving a reason. Mind you there may have been a very good reason-- apparently there's on ongoing "edit war" there. But are you not supposed to place a notice on the article that it's been locked, if you do so?

And I very strongly object to the removal of the link to <TheEEStory.com>. See the section I added to the bottom of the EEStor article's talk page for detailed reasons why. If you were going to lock the article, it should have been locked with the link in place-- not removed. --Lensman003 (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit wars usually lead to page protection, and the reason was provided when changing the protection status (it was: repetitive link addition and removal). I suppose I could have placed a notice on the article about it - I'll do so now.

I removed the link because I had begun placing the page protection before tvillars last edit, but is was executed after that edit. I simply reverted to the point at which I was applying the protection. (The summary wasn't consistent with that, though, as I have several hundred messages that pop up in the summary box automatically when I edit, and likely navigated to the wrong one.)

The link to that website will be restored if it is deemed to satisfy the criteria of WP:EL. Discuss this on the article's talk page. Mindmatrix 16:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Not Heavy Metal?

How? I don't undertsand how how many more times or but babe I'm gonna leave you... they should definetly be considered as heavy metal in my opinion... they both have Robert Plant's screaming and Jimmy Page's blaring distorted guitar (the second is a case of acoustic with distorted electric overdubbed, but that, in my opinion shouldn't be a cause of removing heavy metal)... revisit the songs if you need to... I'm just that they are both more than hard rock... hard rock is the heavier parts of you shook me and your time is gonna come... please keep in mind of the points that should definetly make them heavy metal... like JB's drumming, RP's emotional screaming, JP's blaring guitar, and, one point that is often overlooked that is important in heavy metal, JPJ's "droning" basslines, these points are clearly seen (um, heard) in the blasting beginning and end of how many more times, babe I'm gonna leave you has the blasting background drumming following with guitar as Rober Plant wails "I can hear it calling me"... and the section where you could say is the chorus (?... Led Zeppelin were quite "fidgety" when it came to choruses) of cymbal blast and guitar chord strumming of (what seems to be) sixteenth note strums as Robert Plant screams wooooaaaaahhhh baaabyyy baaaaaaaabbbbbbbyyyyyy... do reconsider, these are clear points. The fact which might throw someone off to simply say they are both just hard rock (well, maybe just the second) is that led zeppelin did what many bands didn't bother to do: experiment with other related genres and go from loud to soft. Though this isn't to say that in these two songs, they didn't hit the points to make them heavy metal, it's just a misconception, as I said before... please do reconsider. I think I've raised some pretty good points that it's just misconceptions of them being "just" hard rock and some (mislooked) points that in my opinion should definetly make those songs heavy metal.–99.239.192.185 (talk) 04:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

You got anything to say? Have you thought it over??? Do take your time...99.239.192.185 (talk) 11:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't think any of those define the songs as Heavy metal music. It may be a generational issue, as I know people older than me who classify *everything* by Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and others as heavy metal. I guess the issue for me is that LZ wasn't a pure heavy metal band, but used elements of the genre as it was developing. Perhaps you can discuss this issue at the WikiProject Songs talk page, as that project has the participation of those who are setting standards with respect to genre inclusion on song articles. I'll respect whatever consensus is established there. Mindmatrix 15:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Look, I don't consider all of their songs heavy metal, and I don't intend to look at the meaning of the genre stereotipically... in my opinion, I've always found Led Zeppelin to be very different, as the crossing between hippies to "metalheads", one of the crossings between hard rock and heavy metal... and in my opinion, this is due to the fact that they didn't stay in one place at all times, not just as it is stereotipically thought that heavy metal is just constant screaming and rocking that stays loud all the time... (unlike other bands that were developing the genre who sometimes seemed to be staying in one place the whole song... though I don't particularly agree that everything Black Sabbath has done could not be labeled "hard rock, heavy metal"... at least they had some soft moments in their songs too...)... and I just find that as long as they touch into the the heavy metal side in both those songs that's it quite recognizeable from the rest of the song (I rationally think they have), it at least deserves to be considered to be labeled heavy metal... and that's fair, right? (I know Floyd is progressive, sheesh... I'm a teen by the way...)99.239.192.185 (talk) 09:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you on most points, though I still don't think either song touches on heavy metal (but that's just my opinion). Regarding my anecdote, it wasn't meant to imply that you were like that, only to relate a past experience about this. Mindmatrix 15:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you have anything else you want to say? I am thinking of discussing the matter on WikiProject Songs talk page... I just want to know how you feel about it now and if we should continue discussing, or if I should discuss it with more people on the songs talk page... do tell me, you're the admin, I don't want to hurry to do something without thinking (you see "I've been good" and haven't been tempted to put the genre back on the page)... well? I'm very willing to discuss this in a civilized manner, unlike what you seem to have delt with in the past... some people (some anonymous users apparently) can be just so immature here...99.239.192.185 (talk) 10:53, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

It's probably better to just take it to the Songs talk page. They have a set of criteria by which song genres are included on a page, but I'm not currently familiar with them. (I believe they also have specific sources they use for this, but I may be wrong about this.) I'm interested in the songs, but I spend little time editing music-related pages; you're better off discussing this with those who do spend their time on music articles. And yes, you've been patient and willing to engage in discussion, unlike many anonymous and a few registered editors I've dealt with in the past. Mindmatrix 15:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I guess that's what I'll do then... even if you don't (as you said) edit a lot of music pages, I do thank you for discussing this matter, as I've had dealt with a bit of "immature users" in the past myself (not just on Wikipedia), I'm glad we could have a discussion that went as smooth as this (I've seen talk page discussions where half of the words are something like "WHAT THE H***?! HOW COULD THAT BE?! BLAH BLAH THIS AND THAT BLAH BLAH YOU'RE A RETARD IF YOU THINK THAT! YELL YELL YELL! INSULT! SWEAR! PROFANITY!"... you get the idea, those kinds of discussions are almost everywhere, sadly...) even though we might have different thoughts/perceptions on the matter. So, I will go on the Songs talk page and based on my thoughts/perceptions on the matter and the thoughts/perceptions of others on the matter, specific sources (etc), I'll be sure to reach a conclusion, whether I agree with it or not, as that is what mature users do.99.239.192.185 (talk) 23:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Pi Day Common Date Format

Hey Mindmatrix,

May I request your hand in this issue you've already touched upon. The guy would probably have 3RRed, but I'm trying to be civil. I'm kinda new around here, and would like to see how you handle it. Teimu.tm (talk) 10:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I've left a comment on the article talk page. Mindmatrix 15:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Sushi Edit

Hello, My Name is Tatsushige Shigure, I am the Australian that has invented the Thermonuclear Sushi Roll .. I will up load a photo of the Sushi Roll as soon as I can. I run Australian Pie Co in Japan and the Thermonuclear Sushi Roll will be on the menu come May 2011. So far everyone that has tried it has enjoyed it. So please do not delete my edit on the Sushi Page

Kind Regards(Tatsushige Shigure (talk) 16:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)).

This matter is also being discussed on both my and Tatsu's talk pages. PhGustaf (talk) 17:55, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hogan's Inn

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A tag has been placed on Hogan's Inn requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Speedy deletion (criterion A7) is reserved for unambiguous cases in which the importance of the subject is not stated. I don't think this qualifies. It is clearly mentioned in the text that the Hogan's Inn "building is of particular cultural importance to the town". Mindmatrix 14:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I changed it to unambiguous advertising, which is compounded by the fact that the article is completely unsourced. Please do not remove a speedy notice from pages you created yourself. Thank you. Harry the Dog WOOF 14:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, but I don't think it qualifies under that criterion either, which requires an article to be "unambiguous advertising or promotion" and that "simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion". The building, as I've already stated, has had a long history in the community (also stated in the article). The fact that it is currently used as a restaurant should not prevent its inclusion in Wikipedia. Most of the sources for this are offline, particularly books and other documents stored in the libraries of King township, Vaughan, Richmond Hill, Aurora, and Newmarket. Examples include the document Historic Hogan's Inn at the King library. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to go to these places to find the relevant documents and use them as refs. This doesn't imply an article about the place does not merit inclusion on Wikipedia. Mindmatrix 15:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

But it is completely unsourced and the only link is the the restaurant's website. That makes it advertising in my book. If the building is that important there must be independent sources that will verify that. If there are, you need to add them. But an admin will decide. Harry the Dog WOOF 15:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Ontario Greenbelt

Hi there, I noticed you were a member of WP:ONTARIO. I was wondering if I could ask you to weigh in on a discussion to move Greenbelt (Golden Horseshoe) to Ontario Greenbelt. The discussion is stagnant, and I'd like to gather some consensus. Thanks. --Natural R_X 18:00, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry !!

Aaaagh! You and I are both correcting Newmarket, Ontario at the same time. Sorry! Please go ahead with your intentions - I will back off. PKT(alk) 15:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

S'alright! Actually, I have to attend to other matters right now, so if you want to update it, go ahead, otherwise I may take a stab at it tonight. Mindmatrix 15:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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List of Google Doodles

List of Google Doodles is on my watchlist, and this IP has been repeatedly changing "Present" to "May 2026" on this article. Is there any way I should go about getting them blocked?--RayqayzaDialgaWeird2210 will respond much more timelyIf you respond on his talkpage!    00:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

NETWORKING

Hello, Mindmatrix. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Icallitvera (talk) 02:32, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I read some of the first paragraph and the last few lines of that entirely too-long email; it seems like you just copied some tech support question from a forum and emailed it to me. I'm not reading it. Mindmatrix 14:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for National Register of Electors

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

National Register of Electors

Thanks for your note - I don't think I'm familiar enough with the WP:MOS to do a proper review, so I'll leave that to someone else. However, I would note that in the 3rd paragraph under the "Voter registration" heading, the article currently mentions "Canada Revenue Agency" 3 times within the first 2 sentences. It's technically correct but it's also repetitive. Cheers, PKT(alk) 20:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Collaboration

Template:Collaboration has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

NPOV tag

Saw your "dubious statement" comment on the Gun Control article and the aggressive response to it. I've since looked at the article and the sources more closely and have added an NPOV tag to the article. It is possible that WP:OWN applies on the part of one anon editor. Not sure yet, but given your proven sang froid in dealing with IPs (got a chuckle out of your User Page btw), would you be willing to keep an eye on that article? I will be working on it, time permitting, for the next while. Sunray (talk) 21:18, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

OK - I'll keep an eye on it. I failed to notice you had started working on the article a few days earlier (I just saw the clean-up section on the talk page). By the way, 'proven sang froid' is going on my user page. Mindmatrix 01:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Honoured, I'm sure. I note that there have been no further posts from your interlocutor on the talk page. I shall give it a couple of days and then wade into the article. Sunray (talk) 15:39, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Baie-Comeau requested move

Greetings, Mindmatrix. I am hear to tell you that I am doing a requested proposal move. The article Baie-Comeau, Quebec will be renaming into the new title Baie-Comeau, The new title will not include the province name, Quebec. You are welcome to make comments to decide if you want to support the new title. The link is here. Talk:Baie-Comeau, Quebec#Requested move I will see you at the Baie-Comeau's talk page. Steam5 (talk) 23:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Guidestones External Link removal.

Mindmatrix,

I posted an external link on the entry for Georgia Guidestones which you have removed. I am not the owner of the site, and though the site linked does advertise a product (book) on some of its pages, it also provides basic information about the subject, and a 15 minute video tour of the monument. This video tour is surely a free and legitimate source, and it contains much more information on the subject than other sites linked, presented in a very unbiased way considering the controversial subject matter. Given that many of the other links on the page are extremely biased or contain some form of advertisement, I would argue that the link does more good than harm, and belongs on the list. I have re-added the link, but to a different page on the site that does not directly sell a product.

I've removed it, it is still promotional in my opinion. WP:ELN is the place to ask if it's ok. Dougweller (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Mindmatix,

What if it is just a youtube link to the video? Would that be acceptable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymonium (talk • contribs) 21:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Formatting Canadian electoral district articles

I am soliciting opinions on how percentages should be shown in electoral district results tables here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Electoral_districts_in_Canada#Formatting_results_tables. Your opinion would be welcome. Regards, Ground Zero | t 02:24, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Removing of Biochar Link

Hello there, the link you removed from the Biochar wiki is one of the oldest Biochar sites and one of the few sites which cover the news about biochar. Recently the site offers a community place too. No idea what you mean this link is "Promotional". But stop removing the link. Gise-354x (talk) 11:58, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Template italic title

Please see Template:Infobox album. Regards. 81.83.135.178 (talk) 21:29, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, when I reverted your change, the article title was not italicised. It appears that this is caused by viewing the diff of the change (for example, your most recent edit), as opposed to the most recent revision itself, and may be a minor bug in Mediawiki. I'll keep this in mind when reviewing edits. Mindmatrix 19:06, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Who refers to Osiris in that way?

Isis ;) —Machine Elf ¹⁷³⁵ 02:31, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)

Please review the map, the work of Tofanelli et al, Hassan et al, and comment in the discussions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HG_J1_(ADN-Y)
http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_2004_v74_p1023-1034.pdf http://ychrom.invint.net/upload/iblock/94d/Hassan%202008%20Y-Chromosome%20Variation%20Among%20Sudanese.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC384897/figure/FG1/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)
Essentially, the issue is whether J1 dominates in Sudan and the Caucasus at over 60%. John Lloyd Scharf 10:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Why did you leave this message for me? I've never edited that article, though I have edited a few related articles. I have no interest in this discussion, and you should really avoid spamming user talk pages with such requests. Regarding your question, use the references to answer it. Mindmatrix 18:46, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Steve-o Image

Hey Mindmatrix, how have you been? Regarding this edit, that picture wouldn't be suitable for use without an OTRS file would it? I don't think the PMO issues free use images, as a rule...--kelapstick^(bainuu) 17:51, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Probably not. My comment was intended to mean that at best, the PMO file uploaded by that user would be classified as fair dealing, but I doubt that's the case. It's likely a copyright violation and should be expunged from WP. Mindmatrix 17:55, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Doubtful it is, I am going to nominate it, if it were "officially up" the best case scenario is it gets released and we have a picture of the PM looking quite dashing in front of a lake... :| --kelapstick^(bainuu) 18:05, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:FreeBSD

Hey, about your recent edit to this template - I'm trying to understand the rationale. I don't necessarily disagree with it, but almost exactly the same sections has existed on the (presumably much higher profile) Template:Linux for a long time without being questioned deleted or touched. Should they be removed from there too? Thanks! Gavinatkinson (talk) 12:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

The Linux template is messay and bloated. These templates should be about concepts directly related to the central concept, that is FreeBSD or Linux. Window managers and GUI interfaces are complements to those topics, not part of the topic itself. One possibility is to link at the bottom of each template the template {{Window managers}} or {{X desktop environments and window managers}}, and perhaps others of tangential relevance. Mindmatrix 17:57, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

PostgreSQL categorisation

I see you removed the "Linux database-related software" category from the PostgreSQL page because it implies a tie to Linux. However, MySQL, Linter SQL RDBMS and Openbase has had this category since last year but it hasn't been removed from either of those. In fact not a single entry for anything using that category is exclusively on Linux. Are you sure that's how the category is intended to be interpreted, or it is supposed to be read as database-related software which is available for Linux? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.169.190.152 (talk) 17:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, though I don't think that Wikipedia should be used in this way. For the latter interpretation, perhaps it'd be more appropriate to create an article such as List of databases systems for Unix and Unix-like systems (or preferably something less wordy). I oppose such categories because it will lead to similar categories for other operating systems - do we need an article polluted with dozens of categories to indicate the DB has a port or compiles on that OS? (The other problem is that of finding a cutoff point - for which operating systems would such categories be deleted? VAX, Haiku, Plan 9, NeXT, AmigaOS ...) Mindmatrix 19:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Guelph intermodel transportation centre

An article has been created for the new Guelph Central Station, but I think it should probably have been moved from Guelph railway station to retain the edit history. What do you think? Can you do something about this? Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I think more correctly that Guelph Bus Terminal should be merged there too, since the properties have all become one complex. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it sometime this week. Just to clarify, you want me to execute the following steps:

delete Guelph Central Station

move Guelph railway station to Guelph Central Station

restore deleted edits from Guelph Central Station

I'll leave merging from Guelph Bus Terminal for others, as it doesn't require admin intervention. Mindmatrix 15:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that is what would be required. I don't see anything wrong with the new article, but I would appreciate it if you could give it a quick look over for any obvious errors, since it was created by a newbie. I will process the Bus Terminal. Secondarywaltz (talk) 03:43, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I've merged the articles, and restored the merged document to a version as last edited by you, but adding a few formatting and link tweaks. I've also fixed a few redirects to point to the new article. Mindmatrix 16:42, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a look around and see what else needs to be done. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:21, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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