User talk:Mjeddy

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August 2021

Hello, I'm CodeTalker. I noticed that you recently removed content from Craniosacral therapy without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. CodeTalker (talk) 15:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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Girth Summit _(blether) 21:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

In regard to the comments you left (and then removed) at Talk:Craniosacral_therapy, please let me explain a few things to you, which may make it easier to express yourself in ways that the editing community will be more likely to accept.

• Your assertion that you are an engineer is irrelevant. I could describe myself as a geophysicist, or a primary school teacher (both of which are true), or as a medical doctor or an alternative healthcare practitioner (neither of which are true), or, frankly, as a dog. This is the internet - it doesn't matter who we say we are, since it's not verifiable. What matters is the sources you bring, and the strength of your arguments in relation to Wikipedia's editing policies and guidelines.
• Saying 'this article is biased' is extremely unlikely to convince anyone, because it is so vague. What you need to do is identify specific assertions that you have difficulties with, and either demonstrate that the sources supporting them are unreliable, or demonstrate that the sources do not support the assertions as-written, or provide other reliable sources which take a different viewpoint, and propose a change based on those.
• Casting aspersions as to the motives of other editors is prohibited. See also WP:NPA. Restrict your comments on article talk pages to the content and sourcing of the article.

I hope that's clear. I have notified you about the discretionary sanctions that are in place to prevent disruption in this topic area - I hope that you will refrain from speculating about the motivations of other editors in future, because it may result in sanctions being imposed upon your account. Best Girth Summit _(blether) 22:20, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to write all that Girth, appreciate it. The engineer part was to demonstrate that I am trained to separate facts from non-fact data when turning lay requirements in actual technical specifications.

From that point of view it is abundantly clear to me that the article has a certain tone. I've been reading through some of the rules though and see that it is bad form to comment on tone. I don't see how this works - I would have thought a neutral tone was standard and anything otherwise would be clearly reprimanded.

But I take your other points on board and apologies for my uncustomary hostility - it is difficult to see something I love and which has changed my life hugely for the better and which I have then gone on to witness changing others lives in radical ways being disparaged so seemingly blatantly. Like others have also commented in the talk page, this article will definitely turn away people who may otherwise have reached out & found help where they couldn't find it in the allopathic domain, and this is especially difficult to see happen.

Thanks again Mjeddy (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I understand why you mentioned being an engineer - I just wanted to explain to you why that adds no weight to anything you say. We have people claiming to be all sorts of things here - about a week ago, I was literally speaking to someone claiming to be the Emperor of Planet Earth, who was going to have all Wikipedia editors executed if they didn't get their way. Anyone can claim to be anything, and so all claims of being authoritative on any subject are given zero weight.

You are right that any subject should be written about from a neutral point of view, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we leave the reader to make up their own mind. Rather, we aim to reflect what scholarly sources say about the subject. If you take the rather extreme case of modern flat Earth beliefs, for example, we don't merely present what they say and leave readers to decide - we tell readers that it's a lot of old rubbish, because that's what scholarship says it is.

I've literally never heard of craniosacral therapy before today, my attention was drawn by your comments at another admin's talk page, so I have no view on what the sources actually say, or whether the tone of the article is unfairly biased, or an accurate reflection of the scholarly consensus on the subject. If you want to make changes to the article however, you're going to have to be specific - explain which assertions you believe are biased/misleading/flat-out-wrong, and provide sources showing that to be the case.

One more bit of reading for you: WP:MEDRS. That is the bar that citations to support biomedical assertions are required to pass. Best Girth Summit _(blether) 22:49, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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