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FritsNL

Thanks for clarifying. I'm glad to see you've set up an email on this account which should prevent the same happening again. Could I suggest some kind of disclosure on your userpage to prevent others misreading the situation. Some of us who change names make declarations (User:Cabayi#Disclosure) & some don't. For the time-being, while your actual experience is greater than your apparent experience, it may save you some grief. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 18:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Lammert van Raan

Hi: the reason I had made the edits I did to the talk page for van Raan is that if it's left as is, it shows up on the list of biography articles without living parameter and biography articles without listas parameter maintenance categories; these are part of the WP Biography tag on the talk page. They show up as hidden categories at the bottom of the talk page (at least in the format I see). May I update those parameters? --FeanorStar7 11:01, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@FeanorStar7: I see. Go ahead and edit it! :) MrClog (talk) 11:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
@MrClog: Thank you. --FeanorStar7 11:04, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Name

You left a message on my user-talk page asking about my username. I've recently been subject to two doxxing attempts, and false accusation of canvassing to smear my account. My name is in process of change to address this. Please don't note the old name again, thank you. A145GI15I95 (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

You're not the first admin to notice this, despite my assurances from a previous admin pre-name-change that it wouldn't draw such suspicion. Could you assist please with redacting my old name from my user page and from the article page that draws controversy? Thanks. A145GI15I95 (talk) 16:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

I see now (here) you've just told one of two person who attempted to dox me that my new name is "fake", you confirmed for them my old name. Could you please redact this? I was specifically advised this name-change was the correct course, following the redaction of the doxxing attempt. Please help stop this dog-piling so I can continue editing without needless controversy. Thank you. A145GI15I95 (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@A145GI15I95: Even when you put a different name under your messages, the page history still shows your actual username. You should request courtesy vanishing. MrClog (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Ministry of Transport

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What was south Africa like in 1750

Just imagine the cattle were  the main source of wealth in an  African State and a man's status was determined by the number of cattle he owned.The women were responsible for growing crops like millet and sorghum. Xulu Ayanda (talk) 11:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
@Xulu Ayanda: I'm very sorry, but what exactly are you trying to say? --MrClog (talk) 12:04, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Korean Surname Kim and Lee

Hi. I noticed a new user put some information in the Lee(Korean Surname) and Kim(Korean surname) section, saying that 6 million Korean people trace their lineage to Heo Hwang Ok. Imagine how funny this argument is. I just checked the souce, and could not find any reliable information on this opinion. Please check. Also, I would appreciate if you could help me with adding some new information to Lee(surname) section. This is a very important information. Korean surname Lee(李) was originally written as Ni(니) in Korea. You can check this fact in a lot of historical materials. However, as time passed, Koreans started to pronounce Ni(니) as Ee beginning from 19th century. And during the Japanese colonization era, We built a new language system, that has changed all the words that start with ㄹ(L pronunciation) to ㅇ(Y or I sound) including surnames. So basically, over 12 million people's surname spelling has changed. This is very important, because in North Korea or China, this is not the case. This rule is only applicable in South Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.198.112.251 (talk) 20:48, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@211.198.112.251: Whilst I would love to help you on your page, I personally lack the knowledge to do so. Feel free to do it yourself though! Thank you. --MrClog (talk) 20:50, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay. I will edit the document when I have time. Have a good day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.198.112.251 (talk) 20:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Re:Naming suspect

A lot of the URLs do mention the name of the suspect in Utrecht shooting. The name is only excluded from the article. Is that alright? RookerBowman (talk) 21:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, we should keep it excluded from the article itself until there is a conviction. Mentions by the URL are fine. --MrClog (talk) 21:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

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Help with a query and a heads up!

A recent job advert by the spectator magazine asks applicants to find out the location from which the wikipedia entry for John Bercow was last edited. [1] As you will know this edit was done by yourself. I don't know if the magazine told you about this before they did so or whether you are aware now but thought you'd like to know that there may be a few people trying to find out where you are based!

I would also be enormously grateful if you could help a budding journalist with this query! If you wouldn't mind doing so (obviously I would only expect a town/city from you, not a precise location) then I can give you some contact details to do so.

Many thanks in advance. Sax1511 (talk) 21:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Sax1511: The job advert appears to have closed last year (2018) already, aren't you looking at the wrong one? --MrClog (talk) 16:23, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I think it is up to date because that's the list they asked us to complete. Could be one horrible April fools day joke tho. And I'd be grateful for a location too if you don't mind. I'll give you my email if you'd like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I-dunno-im-just-here-4-ze-bants (talk • contribs) 22:40, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sax1511: @I-dunno-im-just-here-4-ze-bants: Please send me an email via this page. --MrClog (talk) 07:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/announcing-the-spectators-political-mischief-internship/

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Sampling dispute

Hey, sorry to bother you on your vacation - feel free to ignore this message if you're livin' it up far away from trivial internet arguments, there's no rush.

The dispute case about Sampling was automatically archived by a bot, even though it wasn't closed. Is that the normal state of affairs? Popcornduff (talk) 03:33, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

@Popcornduff: Sorry for my late response, I had to work on some things I wasn't able to work on whilst on holiday. It shouldn't have archived the case for as far as I know. The line that normally would prevent it from being archived was still present. I have no idea how it happened. --MrClog (talk) 10:20, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Hope you had a nice trip!
What should I do about the dispute? Is it OK to just restore it to the page? Popcornduff (talk) 12:00, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Popcornduff, yes, that's OK. --MrClog (talk) 10:58, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
@Popcornduff: The bot has once again archived the dispute. I have no idea why it is doing it. --MrClog (talk) 17:13, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Labeling Forum for Democracy as far-right

Hello MrClog,

I think Forum for Democracy shouldn't be labeled as far-right on Wikipedia. This sketches the wrong image of this party. Labeling a party 'far-right' is a serious accusation, since it throws the party in a heap with some of the most violent, antidemocratic, racist and fascist organizations in world history like Hitler's Nazi Party and Mussolini's National Fascist Party. Because of this, I don't agree that the cited articles shouldn't explain why FvD is far-right. Labeling a party 'far-right' should first be discussed properly before it's added to Wikipedia. Looking to the edit history, I'm not the first person that objects to this label. Therefore I hope you'll take my objections seriously.

With kind regards,

Fresiae — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fresiae (talk • contribs) 18:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Fresiae, thank you for your comment. I would like to make a few points:
  1. We don't just label FvD as a far-right party, the article says it's "[r]ight-wing to far-right", which seems to accurately describe what reliable sources say about the party.
  2. I don't agree that the cited articles shouldn't explain why FvD is far-right. - I understand where you come from, but here on Wikipedia there is no requirement for reliable sources to justify all claims they make.
  3. The fact people associate "far-right" with only Nazis and fascists is not a reason to only label those people/groups as far-right.
Regards, MrClog (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi MrClog,

Thanks for your quick reaction and explanation. If it's alright with you, I would like to make a few other points.

1) Shouldn't we be more critical of who is listed as a reliable source? For example, you added a report of Willem Wagenaar as a source of why FvD can be considered far-right. But he stated in a Volkskrant article that calling FvD far-right goes too far. An opinion also held by Sarah de Lange, professor at the Faculty of Social and Behavioral Sciences of the University of Amsterdam. They both were interviewed by the Volkskrant, a highly respected newspaper in the Netherlands. They stated that although FvD is quite radical, they aren't unconstitutional and antidemocratic and therefore calling them far-right is going too far. Moreover, Willem Wagenaar is a convicted criminal who played a role in an attack on a Dutch far-right political party in Kedichem on March 29, 1986. Shouldn't we be more cautious to cite people who may be prone to personal bias?

2) One of the cited authors is Thijs Kleinpaste. He wrote the Foreign Policy article that is cited. But if you look at his Twitter account, you can see that he's very politically motivated. He's full of personal bias to the point that can be considered unprofessional. Yesterday he retweeted a tweet of Cas Mudde in which he even called the Dutch conservative-liberal party VVD of PM Mark Rutte 'far-right'. I don't think he's very reliable to be honest. My point is that unreliable and/or politically motivated authors can write for reliable and credible newspapers.

I would very much like you to read both Volkskrant articles since it perfectly sums up the discussion about 'how right-wing' FvD really is. The conclusion of both articles: FvD is a right-wing party which sometimes copies far-right rhetoric. But that alone is not enough to call the whole party far-right.

[1] https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/ombudsvrouw-extreem-rechtsvraag-bij-stuk-over-forum-voor-democratie-wekte-verkeerde-indruk~bc228ef8/ [2] https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/hoe-rechts-is-forum-voor-democratie~ba78261bc/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fresiae (talk • contribs) 18:46, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Fresiae, thank you for your response. Please allow me to respond to your two points:
  1. It is indeed true that numerous reliable sources do not see FvD as 'far-right' (and to be fair, I personally agree with them), but there are also numerous reliable sources that argue differently. Therefore, I think that "[r]ight-wing to far-right" is fair. Regarding the report, mister Wagenaar (of the Anne Frank Foundation) only "provided support" to the authors, the authors themselves seem reliable to me.
  2. I have removed that source, as it seems to be an opinion article by someone that just happens to have an opinion, and thus it's not reliable.
Would it be an idea to add a section to the article that discusses the "Right-wing or far-right" discussion as a form of compromise?
Regards, MrClog (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi MrClog,

Thanks for the answer again. I think it's an excellent idea to add a "controversies" or "how right-wing is FvD?" section to the article. But, this section should be written very carefully. I don't want to ignore the fact that from time to time there are serious concerns about the extreme character of the party. But, most controversies surrounding FvD started with statements from party-leader Baudet. He sometimes flirts with dubious ideas like "The great replacement" and other aspects of white supremacist ideology. The party program itself, however, doesn't contain any of that. That's why I objected to the labeling of 'far-right'. But I get why the cited articles call FvD far-right when its leader says dubious things. But it still gives a wrong impression of the character of the whole the party. In fact, an important figure of the party, Henk Otten, strongly criticized Baudet for his rhetoric a few days ago in NRC newspaper. There's a lot of internal critique on Baudet's behavior. A separate "controversies" section would do justice to this internal and external discussion.

Kind regards,

Fresiae — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fresiae (talk • contribs) 20:20, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

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Undoing my edits on 'Forum for Democacy'

Hello MrClog,

I noticed we were almost starting an editing war and would like to continue the conversation here. Could you give a constructive reason as to why you were reverting my edits. You have to know I wasn't advocating and do not have any agenda on here. I want Wikipedia to be factual and politically neutral and the 'Forum for Democracy' article clearly wasn't. The party has consistently denied any connection with the far-right and always identified as either a 'middenpartij' or just right-wing. The party's word itself is a much better source if you want to know what they stand for than second-hand sources by journalists, who could very well be opposing FvD and trying to smear their name by connecting them to xenophobic, racist and/or far-right groups and parties. I added proper sources for all my edits, often sourcing the party website when talking about ideological stances. I wasn't advocating, I was adding more information while also trying to make the article more politically neutral and factual.

Please explain your accusations, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freerka (talk • contribs) 23:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Freerka, the way a party self-identifies is not more reliable than how independent sources describe them. There were 4 reliable sources that describe FvD as far-right linked to the article, and you remove them because the party leader denies being far-right. The party's website is obvious not reliable in this case. Thanks. --MrClog (talk) 23:10, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
How so? If the party's official party line doesn't have a single correspondence with the Wikipedia definition of 'Far-Right' (Extreme nationalism, nativism, authoritarianism, often associated with nazism, fascism, chauvinism, ultranationalism, xenophobia, racism etc), why should the party be categorised as 'Far-right' on Wikipedia.
You can suspect the party of secretely being far-right and hiding behind centre-right standpoints, but that would be a (conspiracy) theory and an accusation of deception towards the party. That's very subjective on your (and the journalists') part and does not belong on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freerka (talk • contribs)
Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. If reliable sources call the party far-right, Wikipedia follows that, even if you disagree with that (and believe me, I personally do not consider FvD far-right). Thanks. --MrClog (talk) 23:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
If (reliable) sources think the party might have some connections to the far-right and their ideology, you could add a specific part to the article talking about what kind of criticism the party gets. Adding this to the sidebar strongly implies the party is an undisputed 'right-wing to far-right' party. The party doesn't claim to be far-right. Most people don't think the party is far-right and an honest look at the characteristics of far right politics will also show you the party isn't far-right. Please keep the party's own identification for the sidebar and add possible accusations and suspicions by others in a specific section called 'criticism' or something similar to that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freerka (talk • contribs) 14:03, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Freerka, can you point me to any Wikipedia policy that says that we should follow the party's own identification? You seem to base all your arguments on your personal opinion and not on reliable independent sources. If these sources call them right-wing to far-right, the article should reflect that. Also, please sign your comments by ending your message with 4 tiddles (~~~~). Thanks. -MrClog (talk) 14:08, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I can't point to any Wikipedia policy specifically saying that, but doesn't that speak for itself?
Many newspapers and magazines have written about how a party like Groenlinks is moving further to the left, sometimes even accusing them of flirting with the far-left, yet their party's Wikipedia article says they are 'centre-left to left-wing'.
Same goes for a party like D66 or VVD, which - according to many sources - have moved further to the left in recent years, yet their Wikipedia pages still describe them as 'Centre' (D66) and 'Centre-right' (VVD).
I think this is fair. These parties self-identify that way and their own description of their ideology is the closest you're going to get to factual truth. The sidebar is for a factual description of these parties' political position, not for an opinionated suspicion by some journalists. I'd like this to be consistent for all parties, including FvD. -Freerka (talk) 15:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Freerka, if you can find reliable sources that call GreenLeft 'far-left', you are invited to change it. Same goes for D66 and VVD. - I can't point to any Wikipedia policy specifically saying that, but doesn't that speak for itself? No, it doesn't, and that's also why there is no policy supporting your idea. - their own description of their ideology is the closest you're going to get to factual truth Unfortunately, parties don't always tell the truth; that's why we rely on reliable sources. --MrClog (talk) 17:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
No I will not change Groenlinks' position to 'left-wing to far-left', because some newspapers have written about their association with far-left groups and their history as a Maoist party, because I'm an honest person. Groenlinks isn't far-left. FvD isn't far-right. Most Dutch parties are near the centre and associating these parties with extremist ideologies is unfair, hinders productive debate and could potentially motivate people to 'fight against nazis' or 'fight against commies', leading to situations we've seen happen before in The Netherlands. Let's be fair here, Al Jazeera (a Qatari news source which is often accused of having a left-wing bias on European and American affairs) is not more trustworthy than the party's own website when it comes to labeling a labeling a party as something as extreme as 'far right'. Sources only quickly referring to FvD as 'far-right' (with no further explanation) aren't enough to back labeling them as far-right on Wikipedia. You'll need a concrete and detailed explanation and look into their ideology from a trustworthy source to do something like that. -Freerka (talk) 19:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Freerka, the sources I listed match the requirements at WP:RS. Your sources do not. --MrClog (talk) 20:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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Music Sampling

Since you appear to have come back to active editing, can you resume dealing with the music sampling dispute? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:05, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, I will do so tomorrow. --MrClog (talk) 15:27, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
You seem to have gotten hit with backlash from some sort of left-wing dispute over ideological orthodoxy. Yuck. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your help resolving the sampling dispute, especially since it dragged on so long. Popcornduff (talk) 06:10, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

--MrClog (talk) 15:47, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

The bash street kids

I don’t understand why you reverted my edit and called it “Good faith” it was perfect and I have been trying to find out which issue it is for months — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.64.196.116 (talk) 8 May 2019, 06:48 (UTC)

Because they were unsourced. Also, may I ask why you vandalise your own talk page and then revert it yourself? --MrClog (talk) 18:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I’m just making a joke and nobody ever sees my talk page anyways (I don’t know how to sign) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.64.196.116 (talk) 17:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

You can sign your replies by adding ~~~~ to the end of your message. --MrClog (talk) 17:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

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An attempt to address your question

Hi MrClog. While I admire your enthusiasm to work in difficult areas of Wikipedia, I'm concerned that whatever is driving you may be preventing you from learning the basics of Wikipedia that are needed to work in those areas.

I don't expect that's an answer you like or want to hear, so let me try to provide some context.

I greet many new editors, and have a standard greeting for those that I think could use some direction around the more difficult areas to work in. Here's the main portion:

If I could get editors in your situation to follow just one piece of advice, it would be this: Learn Wikipedia by working only on non-contentious topics until you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually. You'll find editing to be fun, easy, and rewarding. The rare disputes are resolved quickly and easily.

Working on biographical information about living persons is far more difficult. Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages.

If you have a relationship with the topics you want to edit, then you will need to review Wikipedia's Conflict of interest policy, which may require you to disclose your relationship and restrict your editing depending upon how you are affiliated with the subject matter. Regardless, editing in a manner that promotes an entity or viewpoint over others can appear to be detrimental to the purpose of Wikipedia and the neutrality required in articles.

Some topic areas within Wikipedia have special editing restrictions that apply to all editors. It's best to avoid these topics until you are extremely familiar with all relevant policies and guidelines.

In a nutshell: I'm emphasizing the need for editors to learn Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and identifying areas of Wikipedia where not understanding policy well can quickly lead to actions against an editor. (I'm ignoring vandalism, spamming, etc. because I'd simply leave a warning instead.)

Other editors have written essays that go into far more breadth and depth in orienting new editors. I especially like User:WLU/Generic sandbox and User:Jytdog/How. Finally, there are a number of essays addressing the required competencies of editors, of which Wikipedia:Competence is required is a good introduction.

I hope that's at least enough to get a discussion started if you like. --Ronz (talk) 16:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Ronz, this does not answer the question I asked, being which concerns of you I did not address in my 3OR response. --MrClog (talk) 17:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion. I was first answering your question about your being a new editor, hoping that would give us some context for discussion. --Ronz (talk) 17:39, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Richard Zorza

Hello- I am working to expand Richars Zorza's page- please do not immediately delete. I do have some good sourced material and am currently editing it. Thanks Bradby (talk) 21:34, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Ptolemy XII Auletes

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"Did you know...?" entry in the article history

So the full history of the "Did you know..." entry is no longer supposed to be listed at the article talk page? Just that little entry in the "milestones" section, which does not link to the discussion? When was that decided? -- MelanieN (talk) 17:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

MelanieN, it links to the discussion. If you click on fact from this article, it sends you to the nomination page. --MrClog (talk) 17:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I see. And when was this shortened version decided? Are you changing it everywhere? -- MelanieN (talk) 17:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
MelanieN, Template:Article history says: This template combines all the "content milestone"-related templates into one, to reduce clutter on talk pages. I do not know if there has ever been a decision to always combine milestones into {{Article history}}. It seems to me though, to be WP:COMMONSENSE to combine multiple milestones into 1 template that was specifically designed for this purpose to be used (instead of having separate templates), so I figured I would be a bit WP:BOLD. Also, is there community consensus that only {{DYK talk}} is appropriate? If so, could you link me to the discussion? --MrClog (talk) 17:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
As far as I know it has never been discussed one way or the other. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
MelanieN, so I suppose it's fine to combine them into {{Article history}} as well as having them separate? Or is there the necessity to have a community discussion about this (trivial) matter? --MrClog (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The template suggests including "multiple FACs, FARs... Good Article status, Articles for Deletion, Peer reviews and WikiProject reviews can also be included." Maybe you were the first one to think of adding DYKs, but I can follow your logic. Did you design the shortened version yourself? -- MelanieN (talk) 17:34, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
MelanieN, the option to include DYK/In the news/On this day has always been there for as far as I know. I, at least, didn't create that option. --MrClog (talk) 17:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, I don't object; was just surprised and wondering why this happened, since it is the first time I have seen it. If you are planning to change this by hand at multiple articles you will have your work cut out for you, since a bot adds the expanded version to the talk page every time an article gets a DYK. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Correction. Not an Ultra-Conservative, but a Conservative-Liberal party.

The party is not a Far-Right party. Sources in the Dutch section clears it up. They are NOT an Ultra Conservative party as they are a Conservative-Liberal Party. Misnaming their ideology is unhelpful

--Gregnator (talk) 18:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Gregnator, please discuss this at Talk:Forum for Democracy and also cite your sources there. Do note that this has been discussed extensively already, so you will have to come with good sources. --MrClog (talk) 18:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much

Thanks for your review, Jma67 and I worked hard to overcome the draft. My last question is, does it still stand for DYK? Thanks! Best wishes! --LLcentury (talk) 18:22, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

LLcentury, for as far as I know, that shouldn't be a problem. --MrClog (talk) 18:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reviewing the draft. Please see redaction on this [log]. Cheers, Verbosmithie (talk) 01:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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Deepika Agarwal Article Submission

Hey Mr. Clog! I see that you left a comment of the article being "not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." May you elaborate on that and how I can resolve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlyKiinz (talk • contribs) 20:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

SlyKiinz, the general notability guideline states: If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. The subject also doesn't seem to match the subject-specific guideline for scientists and the subject-specific guideline for entertainers. If she really is as unnotable as it seems to me, then you cannot resolve this. After all, no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. What you could do, is present some sources that I didn't find that support the notability of the subject. Thanks, MrClog (talk) 10:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

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The page I was trying to create for Ralph Allen has been turned down as not notable... I checked out the page that defines notability, and the fact the he has works in the Canadian National Gallery, and Ontario Art Gallery meets the posted qualifications.

I guess I am confused.

Brian Coughtrey (talk) 13:59, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Brian Coughtrey, does entering important collections mean that his work has been in the permanent collection of these galleries? If so, than I misunderstood the submission and I'll have a look at it again. --MrClog (talk) 14:47, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, both galleries have purchased his work, and well as the Government on Ontario, and various public University galleries like at Concordia and Queen's. This is my first attempt at a page, but I would like do more if I can get this first one figured out. Ralph recently passed last month... so I will need to do some updates at some point, unless that is something an administrator needs to do.

Brian Coughtrey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Coughtrey (talk • contribs) 17:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Brian Coughtrey, ah, alright. Would it be possible for you to update the article to include basic information on Mr. Allen's death, and leave me a message here once that's done? Then, I'll look at the article again. Thanks, MrClog (talk) 13:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I have added the date of his death. Do you need a link to his obituary? https://jamesreidfuneralhome.com/tribute/details/1066/Ralph-Allen/obituary.html

Brian Coughtrey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian Coughtrey (talk • contribs) 15:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Brian Coughtrey, please resubmit the article by clicking on the blue "Resubmit" button. --MrClog (talk) 10:33, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


I have resubmitted, but it has been declined by Eagleash... Now I am very confused. How do articles get approved? Brian Coughtrey —Preceding undated comment added 13:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I have found some additional links to galleries and articles... to further demonstrate if notoriety. https://hirshhorn.si.edu/search-results/search-result-details/?edan_search_value=hmsg_86.102 https://e-artexte.ca/view/artists/Allen,_Ralph.html I'm not really sure what else I can do? Brian Coughtrey —Preceding undated comment added 15:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Brian Coughtrey, I left a message at Eagleash's talk page. --MrClog (talk) 15:36, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! Brian Coughtrey —Preceding undated comment added 13:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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Rosguill, I'm sure there'll be more independent in-depth sources once the SCOTUS has ruled. Will add those then. --MrClog (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

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AE

I noticed you opened an AE thread and I commented there. On the other hand, you have not indicated what type of enforcement is needed and why. He seems to have been subject to a temporary ban about a particular topic but that too has expired since (Special:Diff/881506754). I didn't check if it applies, but maybe your concern is a 1RR policy violation? In any case, my comment there is mostly irrelevant to existing sanctions, if any, that alone will likely not result in anything. —PaleoNeonate – 09:49, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

PaleoNeonate, I am requesting discreationary sanctions against the editor (like a TBAN). MrClog (talk) 09:56, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
You should probably write a statement there suggesting it with diffs/links/arguments showing why (WP:D&L has more information on this, I'm sorry if this is already obvious to you; it's also possible to link to old revisions of pages using WP:PERMALINKs). —PaleoNeonate – 10:09, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I see that my comment is no longer standing alone there, thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 13:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
PaleoNeonate, could you please clarify with what you mean with I see that my comment is no longer standing alone there. Also, when I filed the AE request, I already supplied diffs to the edits that showed why a discretionary sanction was necessary. MrClog (talk) 13:22, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
It's possible that part is a transcluded template and that it took a while to update. When I added my comment, it seemed to be the only one (so I posted a request here about completing the report). It now appears visible and fine, however. Sorry for the confusion, —PaleoNeonate – 13:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
PaleoNeonate, ah okay, that's fine. Also, I know what transcluded means ;) --MrClog (talk) 14:18, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

FTB v. Hyatt GOCE request done


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Pink TV

Hello. I wanted to ask why would You want to delete page Pink TV (Serbia), because it is the same text previously used on RTV Pink. The title of ′RTV Pink′ isn't right because it means both Radio and Television Pink, and the article gives only information about Television Pink. — HoneymoonAve27 (talk) 15:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Ah, alright. In that case, I have removed the deletion tag. I did add a different deletion tag, though, because you are not allowed to move pages by copy-pasting them, because it would then be impossible to see in the page's history who made what edits to the page. I have restored RTV Pink. After Pink TV (Serbia) has been deleted, you can move the RTV Pink to TV Pink (Serbia) by following the instructions at Wikipedia:Moving a page. Thanks, MrClog (talk) 15:19, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Article Pink TV (Serbia) hasn't been deleted. — HoneymoonAve27 (talk) 15:53, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
@HoneymoonAve27: It should be deleted soon. --MrClog (talk) 15:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Prep 2

Hi, thanks for helping out with hook promotions at DYK. But why did you blank all the credit lines that hadn't been filled?. Yoninah (talk) 20:05, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Yoninah, I thought those "Example" lines weren't supposed to be there. If they were, then that's my fault. MrClog (talk) 20:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, every set has 8 credit lines. "Example" refers to the page name, "Editor" to the nominator. It's also important to copy the entire credit line from the nomination page, including the "subpage" parameter. Here I did that for your hook promotion. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

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Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
I just wanted to thank you for creating the FTB v. Hyatt article. You've put in a lot of work into it, and the results prove it. I'm eager to see how the peer review goes. Orville1974talk 19:33, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! I will continue to look for sources and I am also eager to see how the PR goes. --MrClog (talk) 19:47, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

UPP

This does not seem like an accurate closing statement. In particular an editor has disputed that the added sources are WP:SIGCOV, there is not enough of an explanation as to why it cannot qualify as SIGCOV -- ???. Beyond the most basic meaning of SIGCOV and pointing out that these are brief mentions in lousy sources, what more explanation could there possibly be? The second keep !vote does not say anything outside of WP:AADD. Meh. FWIW, I guess. I don't plan to challenge it, since I can't imagine it being closed as anything other than "no consensus" (seems hard to avoid most of the time when the numeric majority is based on lousy arguments, unfortunately), but I'll register an objection that we're keeping this poorly sourced corporate directory entry nonetheless. :P — Rhododendrites talk \\ 00:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: Upon looking at it again, I do believe that you indeed explained why there is no WP:SIGCOV in the 2 articles which were added. Whilst you could say that the last keep !vote qualifies as WP:SOURCESEXIST, but because the !vote specifically mentions which term to use for a search, I do believe that I should weigh it in (maybe not to its fullest extent). That comment has not been responded to, which is why I decided to go with keep, though I agree that no consensus is possible as well. If you would like, I could revert my closure and have somebody else close the article. --MrClog (talk) 06:24, 24 June 2019 (UTC); edited 06:25, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Probably not a good use of time to reopen it, since it's been open a while without additional participation and I doubt anyone will have the fortitude for an against-the-numbers delete closure anyway. Like I said, no consensus seemed the most likely outcome, and that's not really different, practically. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:24, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, you declined the logo update (history here) due to corruption. Can you expand on the issue? The linked image is featured prominently on the groups web page, and loads fine for me.

If it truly is corrupt, I can have them produce a new copy.

Thanks, Burst accumulation (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Burst accumulation: I believe that the file, once uploaded, showed the same as the logo currently updated but then with the height being too low and as such it was essentially a bad version of the current version. --MrClog (talk) 21:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

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Sulphur clover

No I am not talking about a different species to the one mentioned it is just a synonym and the page has been updated to reflect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AustinRedd007 (talk • contribs) 07:48, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

AustinRedd007, alright, me or another Articles for Creation reviewer will review your page. --MrClog (talk) 16:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kristine M. Larson

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revert my page

@MrClog: please help revert this page Mainul Ahsan Noble in my draft. Because @Anupamofficial: withouit talking or permisson this page in first/front page transfar from my draft page.--Md. Delwar Hossain 08:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

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Draft:Charles A. Stone

I was about to continue my work but could not find my Charles A. Stone article. Not sure why you moved this article from my stub to "draft". My posting comment stated: (Infobox, more info to start on important bio). For what is there, we have plenty of references for all as per the link to his NYT obit which has substantial info. Please reverse. Thank you. Stretchrunner (talk) 18:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Stretchrunner, thank you for your comment. First of all, I still believe the page should currently be in the draft namespace. Now, second, let me explain why: references 2 and 3 don't talk about Mr. Stone, but about his company. As such, they do not help the article meet the general notability guideline. The article currently has only one reliable source that discusses Mr. Stone in a significant manner. I wasn't able to find more sources via Google, though I may have missed sources or I may not have access to all sources about Mr. Stone. I, therefore, suggest that you add enough sources to demonstrate notability and then hit the Submit your draft for review! button, so a volunteer will review the article to make sure it meets the notability guidelines. --MrClog (talk) 20:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Block notices

Please don't take it upon yourself to update block notices as you did here. While I understand that you were doing so in good faith, there may be any number of reasons why the blocking Admin/Clerk/Checkuser may choose not to do so. If you think it was missed in error you can always ask the admin who modified the block.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 17:52, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Ponyo, I just asked the admin on their talk page. Thanks for the notice, MrClog (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 17:54, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Raymond

Don't worry, he knows exactly why he's blocked. The NOTHERE applies even if he wasn't socking though. -- ferret (talk) 17:51, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Ferret, thanks for the message. (I just posted a message on your talk page concerning this issue; no need to reply there). --MrClog (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you! --MrClog (talk) 07:37, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Re: Philip Igbafe

Hi Mr.Clog, Thanks for the feedback on this biographical article. I have removed the image AIGBONA-IGBAFE.png as I have just realized it is a copyright material. Would you be kind enough to help me understand what other materials makes you recommend the article for deletion. Danielos69 (talk) 19:34, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Sure! On Wikipedia, we have the principle of "notability", which determines which subjects (like which people) should have an article on them. For example, there is no article on me, because I am not notable. All articles must meet the general notability guideline, which means that there should be significant coverage from independent reliable sources about the subject. In addition, we have certain subject-specific notability guidelines, which help us determine which subjects are likely notable. In the case of Mr. Igbafe, I have not been able to find significant coverage in independent reliable sources, nor did I find that he meets the notability guideline for scholars. As such, I recommended the article be deleted. Note that no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability, but what you can do, is finding independent reliable sources to proof that Mr. Igbafe is notable. Feel free to ask any other questions you have. --MrClog (talk) 19:41, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

86.150.188.184

I got this.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@Dlohcierekim: Good. Make sure you do not get hacked by some evil person too. --MrClog (talk) 08:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
@Dlohcierekim: The reason I "removed" the unblock request was because they didn't actually file a new request, they simply removed your answer to the request. MrClog (talk) 08:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
On this computer that would be harder than anyone could imagine.08:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt

On 23 July 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that per a recent Supreme Court ruling, U.S. states are immune from private suits against them in courts of other states without their consent? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Maile66, thank you for moving the prep to the queue! --MrClog (talk) 09:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

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