User talk:Nate1481/Archive 8

choi kwang do

Are you for real mate, I was the author of the Choi kwang do artcile and it still under progress, so it is not vandalism, we come from very similar back grounds, maybe it would be good to work together not against each other, I am Balck belt 1st Dan in Brithai Karate, 4th dan Under Master Jack Watson under Dave Turton, 1st dan Judo, 1st Dan Ju jit su, 3rd Dan CKD, Instructor level MMA and Mauy Thai, competed in Full Contact Mauy Thai and the early cage fighting shows in the UK, Trained at keddles Mauy Thai privates for one year, Trained with Lee Johnson Ju jit su, Trained with steve Morris of www.morrisnoholdsbarred.co.uk, trained with Dave Turton, Geoff Thompson, Alan Charlton and have competed in unlicenced boxing, and have featured in many martial art mags, look out for new article called Tacticle Pad coming soon in Combat.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 14:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment when I say are you for real, you are another fellow Englishman and a fellow martial artist, all im saying is play the game, dont accuse me of vandalism when it my article, thats all, also Mayalld changed the link and it read claimed to teach the military so its not a fact, and the source is not choi kwang do, it is another reliable outside source. I have infront of me know TKD Magazine September 1996, Front page title Kwang Jo choi 21st Century Martial Artist, then from page 10 to 17 is about CKD then Page 61 shows him teaching Rangers at Fort Benning, it a fact, maybe you might be able to cite that for me. So how long have you been training? who do you do MMA with ? have you had any fights ? I run a MMA school and have some good Fighters, I have over 30 Years in the game. So if you need any advise on any thing let me know and I hope I canm call on you. Good luck with your training.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 16:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

army training

I have added a ref to the rangers training, have not got a clue how to do it, any chance you could clean it up for me all the info is there.

Vol one. Issue 8 September 1996 Page 61 Front cover Kwang Jo choi A 21st Century Martial artist Page 61 Kwang Jo choi teaching Ranger Instructors at Fort Benning Georgia

--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 18:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

more American shite

Did I see you do a revert today on some clown who thought American English is "standard"? Then there's this: http://www-icalculator-org/#c17 - a calculator that converts from metric to "standard" units! A range of IPs have been spamming that domain across several pages. It seems impossible to get admins to blacklist domains. Ha... I complained too soon. When I tried to save the page, I got the blacklisted warning (so I replaced the periods with hyphens.) --David from Downunder (talk) 08:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Dyslexia project

Hi, Nate1481. I'm going to get started on creating the dyslexia series of articles, as we discussed when creating the Wikipedia:WikiProject Dyslexia.

Can you help?

Best,

Rosmoran (talk) 19:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

10k Edits

Congratulations on passing 10,000 edits! http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Nate1481&site=en.wikipedia.org jmcw (talk) 12:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleted category

Per request Link Let me know if you need anything else. In case you're interested, I had nothing to do with the CfD itself. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Academy of Arms article

Good edits, thanks! -Shay- 76.173.47.180 (talk) 05:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Dr

Hi New to this, can you tell me why the 'Dr' title eas deleted

regards

Uzi1992 (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

re-addition of material to "Notable practitioners" section

The anon keeps on re-adding the material that you and I remove. Therefore, I have started a discussion called Adding masters to the "Notable practitioners" section." Feel free to comment. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

UFC 85

when random users post thing that arent true, what do you call it? because i call it vandalism... Because there is a note on every future UFC event saying "do not post rumored match-ups or matches that were not announced..."

Itsmacko (talk) 17:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

valid source?

Hey Nate, looking for a knowledgable and unbiased opinion regarding a source on the Stephen K. Hayes page.

"On 14 May, 2006 George Ohashi (administrator of the Bujinnkan Honbu Dojo in Japan) was ordered by Dr Masaaki Hatsumi to remove Stephen Hayes' name from the board of recognized judans of the Bujinkan. Hatsumi said that Hayes' own conduct had removed him from the Bujinkan. [10]"

And here's the link: http://www.ichinendojo.com/article6.html

What do you think - meet wiki bio policies? Jikaku (talk) 22:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Warning

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Kempo. Your edits appeared to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 220.253.4.36 (talk) 18:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If you are refering to this edit then it was not vandalism, please read the definition. Also it was on Kenpō not the Kempo redirect page. --Nate1481(^t/_c) 09:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't mention the war!

Get a load of this! --David from Downunder (talk) 02:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

my changes

sorry. :)

Skintmix (talk) 21:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Ninjutsu

Ok, I have been in Ninjutsu for over 5 years, am a shodan, train with an instructor that took it with Stephen Hayes since the 1980's, and now train with one of Jack Hoban's top students and consider myself an authority on the subject of the lineage, it's common misundestandings, and nuances not just of the practice of the actual art but also of it's history. My instructors and classmates haved trained with Hatsumi, Tanemura, and Stephen Hayes personally.

Due to the length of time the people I train with have been training and due to the "see between the lines" attitude of some of my instructors and myself I can safely say that Bujinkan is most defintely the most prominent and widely practiced form of Ninjutsu and alphabetical considerations aside, deserves to go at the top of the list. The other forms listed have followers, sure, but nowhere near the amount of people involved as the Bujinkan. The other forms that fight most for the honor of being original are : Jinenkan and Genbukan, both of whom's grandmasters trained originally with Hatsumi.

As far as the Akban or whatever the new form that only recently surfaced out of nowhere and was validated *recently* at the Ninja museum (yes, I know people who were there *before* this recent event happened. I am 100% serious), if you do a serious investigation of the exact style that it is purporting to teach you will quickly find out that Koga Ryu died out in the 60's with it's grandmaster who states that he had *no* students. I highly question it's validy to begin with and I'm willing to bet that if serious research was done on this subject, we'd find out that the proposed grandmaster of that form previously trained with either Takamatsu, Hatsumi, or one of the other x-kan systems. Please *seriously* reconsider keeping Bujinkan at the top. One search of the sheer amount of schools on Winjutsu.com compared to the amount of schools in the other systems should be sufficient to convince you. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.178.192.1 (talk) 18:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The Wilderness

Yeah but just on occaision. Huge life change - no way can I afford the obsession Wikipedia once was.Peter Rehse (talk) 05:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Ashida Kim

I would have said that was acceptable :) I removed the link previously because it was stuck in a random spot with no context. Thedarxide (talk) 15:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I think I remember you saying something about removing the tag on my talk page. I thought you did it already. I have no objections. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 09:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Deletionpedia Patrol

Hello, I invite you to join WP:Deletionpedia Patrol. There are many articles that are prodded into deletion with no one noticing; however, they are re-spawned on Deletionpedia. I am already finding some questionable deletions and I think it would be good to start an organized effort to sift through those records because a good case can be made for undeleting many. Chin Chill-A Eat Mor Rodents (talk) 15:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Gosho Ha Hyoho Niten Ichi Ryu

Dear Nate

Thanks for the message. When I put that 3 links I had no intention of making advertise , but now reading, it really should be misinterpreted as that. So, thank you for telling.

Regards, --201.21.111.154 (talk) 21:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Nate,

You wrote to my page:

In a recent edit to the page Judo, you changed one or more words from one international variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For subjects exclusively related to Britain (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to other English-speaking countries, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the appropriate variety of English used there. If it is an international topic, use the same form of English the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to the other, even if you don't normally use the version the article is written in. Respect other people's versions of English. They in turn should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. If you have any queries about all this, you can ask me on my talk page or you can visit the help desk. Thank you. Nate1481(t/c) 10:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I changed the article which you (I believe it was you) had changed previously. Originally, the spelling was US standard, not British standard, so my respellings were simply a return to the original that had been changed by another. Specifically, I had concentrated on the United States section, though I had also made other changes. I specifically avoided changing sections for Australia and Europe. Spoxjox (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Priorities

Nate, can I make a suggestion? If you want to cut down on wikipedia time, don't waste time with losers. Instead of all this work you could have just told him to look it up! --David from Downunder (talk) 15:59, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

It was partly as prep for the FAQ section I suggested, a lot of it can be re used there, but also I was venting. Destroying a stupid argument point by point is somewhat satisfying...--Nate1481(^t/_c) 16:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I agree. I do that too. Try to educate the un-educatable! --David from Downunder (talk) 16:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Ninjutsu

Why there is split tag in the Schools of Ninjutsu section? Especially when the section has a tag for third party sources. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 09:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

How to Propose a Merge?

I noticed that the two articles Ryū-te and Ryukyu Kempo are quite similar. How does one propose a merge? jmcw (talk) 16:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

No Worries

You are most welcome. Running a whois this looks like it may be a static IP. Blocked for 72 hours, and if they return with that kind of attitude the IP will just be blocked for longer and longer. I note the IP has removed the block notice form their page - won't do them much good as it's all in the block log! Happy editing. Pedro :  Chat  10:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Nate, Can you please stop adding the Suio picture. The USA Shibu just wants a shot of our headmaster, not the Instituto Niten people. Kusarigama (talk) 00:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Kusarigama

It is simply Nate.

We would prefer a picture of our Headmaster and not of anybody else. A simple request, no? So please stop adding the picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.161.7.202 (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

1) Their internet presence has not been the best. Check out the budo forums 2) Although it looks cool, the shot is not a great representation of the Tradition. It is just a set up shot. I'm not sure if it is even a kata. 3) Check out the Portuguese Wkipedia. They self promote there like crazy, I think they can have their presence only there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.161.7.202 (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Ultimate (Sport)

You recently made three edits the the Ultimate (Sport) article. I was wondering if you have an interest in starting an ultimate wikiproject. Thanks :-)  Mm40 (talk | contribs)  20:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Also, sorry for the two sections. I think I got in an edit conflict with someone.  Mm40 (talk | contribs)  11:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

JJL

sorry i am not good english. But JJL's edit rejected by mediators. We nedd more moderate. but his edit is cleary Japanese POV pushing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Taekwondo

Talk:Taekwondo/Archive 4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation/Taekwondo

involved parties

  1. JJL (talk · contribs)
  2. Melonbarmonster (talk · contribs)
  3. Appletrees (talk · contribs)
  4. Omnedon (talk · contribs)
  5. Manacpowers (talk · contribs)

  2. Melonbarmonster (talk · contribs) opposed your POV
  3. Appletrees (talk · contribs) opposed your POV
  4. Omnedon (talk · contribs) is neutral. He was not accpeted your POV. 
  5. Manacpowers (talk · contribs) it's me. I'm opposed your POV

even Omnedon said, "JJL, I'm suggesting no such thing; I'm involved. What I am saying is that I don't like the attitudes displayed by either you or melonbarmonster. I'm also saying that I feel a compromise could be reached, and I've said so several times; but you seem to insist more and more stridently that, in a nutshell, Taekwondo is essentially Japanese. It's not. That has not been demonstrated. There must be something between "Taekwondo was influenced by non-Korean martial arts" and "Taekwondo is Japanese" that we could agree upon, even if grudgingly." He was not accpeted your POV.

also he said, "The present dispute started in late 2007 over JJL's edits which were designed to reduce what he described as Korean POV in describing the history of Taekwondo. Some other editors, myself included, felt that his edits went too far and produced a Japanese POV."[1]

Cleary, 4 member opposed his edit.(1 member is neutral. but He never permit your POV edit). Only JJL complaining the origin of tkd. others are not. rv. from JJL's edit. Manacpowers (talk) 10:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you your comments in my talk page.

• JJL's edit #1.

"While some state that the art essentially vanished"[2]

This given source is "Page not found" So i removed it.

• JJL's edit #2

"According to David Mitchell, "All taught Japanese-influenced systems."

but who is the David Mitchell? actually, he is a karate teacher.[3]

It is not neutral. so it is not suitable that his source apply to TKD page.

• JJL's edit #3

Steven D. Well

Steven D. Well can't represent to all TKD. it is a personal essay.

I can't find any evidence. I still doubt his claim is real or not. it is still dispute.

first, We need reliable source that Testimony of TKD founder.

2nd, We need reliable scientific data that How TKD simiar with karate. Manacpowers (talk) 10:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

you have some mistake. i'm not a TKD is purely Korean POV. even I, quote from, 'THE HISTORY OF TAEKWONDO By Glen R. Morris'. read Glen R. Morris's claim. When he said, "TKD is purely Korean?" after long debate, i think Glen R. Morris's quote is more moderate than JJL and me. JJL's edit is purely Japanese(Karate) POV. Currently JJL are the only person pushing that 'TKD is purely from karate' POV.

He debating by only 2 sources. However, various reports admit that his claim is not true. read Talk:Taekwondo/Archive_4 Manacpowers (talk) 13:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Kuk Sool Won wiki page

Sir,

If you have any opinions about how to change the text for the page on our organization, your feedback would be appreciated.

However, simply undoing the changes that Grandmaster Suh wishes to be posted is unhelpful, to say the very least...

WKSA (talk) 21:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Soap

We fail to see how the text that was posted violates the soapbox policies. Will you please elaborate on the specifics of why you feel it does?

WKSA (talk) 21:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Jujutsu External Link

Hello, User:Jvbush1017 has posted a message at the help desk asking why an external link was removed from the Jujutsu article. I hope you can look into it. Species8473 (talk) 07:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Hope it's clear that I wasn't judging your decision. But I thought it to be best if you went over there and explained it yourself. Thanks for looking into it. Species8473 (talk) 09:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair trade GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

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TKD

well. that is not true. however, this is not sutable debate in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard is the only discuss about sources are reliabe or not. so, this debate is end. JJL's sources already used in article. current moderated edit version is contain all of side claim.

"Some believe that these schools taught martial arts that based upon Traditional Korean martial arts Taekkyon, Subak.[6][11] Some believe that these schools taught martial arts that were almost entirely based upon Japanese karate.[12] Some believe that these schools taught martial arts that were based upon various martial arts Taekkyon, Kungfu, karate.[8][9]"

I do not say TKD is not influenced by Karate. However, It is very far POV. According to Wikipedia:Fringe theories says, Neutral point of view is a fundamental Wikimedia principle and a cornerstone of Wikipedia; all significant views are represented fairly and without bias.

• Identifying fringe theories

We use the term fringe theory in a very broad sense to describe ideas that depart significantly from the prevailing or mainstream view in its particular field of study. Examples include conspiracy theories, ideas which purport to be scientific theories but have not gained scientific consensus, esoteric claims about medicine, novel re-interpretations of history and so forth. Some of the theories addressed here may in a stricter sense be hypotheses, conjectures, or speculations.

1. No TKD orginization admit it. Karate POV.

for example, Authors are karate affiliated.

2. No scientific data. it is assumption and personal opinion.

3. That is not mainstream history.

4. still dispute it accurate in many way.

5. No encyclopedia say, TKD is Karate.

6. That is the very difference from Various non karate source.

I already proved that various counterpart academic source.[4] cleary, His POV sources are depart significantly from the prevailing or mainstream view.,conspiracy theories, no scientific data.

And this is in Debate. "The papers regarding Takwondo(TKD) history have been written in two directions; One, emphasizing its root is coming from andent martial arts in the Three Kingdom era. Two, describing it`s derived from Karate only."[5]

if you think this topic is not in debate. Show me evidence. OK? "TKD is repackged Karate, This is no debate at all". show me this source, please. and do not Pushing me. I keep a neutral stance as possible as i can. I already agreed Moderated edit. Only JJL try to change this status. Manacpowers (talk) 14:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Well. I do not english well. and you misunderstand me. JJL dislike any sources except the ones that JJL use to support his own position. But I'm Not! My stance is change to Neutral. I accepted this moderated edit version, ONly JJL try to change this situation. so, your target is not me.

"Some believe that these schools taught martial arts that based upon Traditional Korean martial arts Taekkyon, Subak.[6][11] Some believe that these schools taught martial arts that were almost entirely based upon Japanese karate.[JJL's favorites source] Some believe that these schools taught martial arts that were based upon various martial arts Taekkyon, Kungfu, karate.[8][9]"

I do not agree this. However, I think This Moderated edit version(made by other user) is make a "end of this dispute".

Manacpowers (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Please, be Civil.WP:CIVIL. On the contrary, You think this can be a main stream view? huh? any evidecen that "TKD is karate. This is no debate al all" please show me source. COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT? what is the COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT? Please read WP:CIVIL. JJL dislike any sources except the ones that JJL use to support his own position. But I'm Not! My stance is change to Neutral. I accepted this moderated edit version, ONly JJL try to change this situation. so, your target is not me.

If you think it can be main stream view, Please bring me ANY public trusted encyclopedia that TKD is karate. OK? (don't show me Karate affiliated sources.) I can prove that my point of view is a mainstream view. Manacpowers (talk) 15:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

According to another mediator Omnedon said[6], "JJL seem now to be arguing simply about what sources should be allowed to be cited in the article; but it already includes the essence of your position as one possibility. However, not everyone agrees with you on that, and not all sources support your position; so it is not stated as incontrovertible fact, and other positions are also described." Manacpowers (talk) 15:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

cleary, "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH~" is not a civil manner. and that Noticeboard is only for decide to reliabe source or not. please do not post irreravant article. Manacpowers (talk) 15:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

just one simple question, why we need discuss at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard? that Noticeboard is only for decide to reliabe source or not. nobody tell source are violate WP:RS. who? only jjl. Manacpowers (talk) 15:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

your rever is WRONG.if you disagree clean up, then you must NOT delete my previous comments,too. Manacpowers (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

"Not main stream in who's view? TKD practitioners? or Korean nationals? or Martial arts partitioners? or Invisible Pink Unicorn's? JUST LISTEN AND STOP QUOTING THE SAME COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT POINTS People hold an opposing view (as sourced) and it should be mentioned, this explicelty dose not mean it is the only view or even true, but never the less a significant number of people hold it." and "AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

This irreravant flustraion is not a civil manner. if you keep this manner, i also reply by same way.Manacpowers (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

just one simple question. when i say TKD is not influnced by Karate? huh? You missed shot. I recognized that TKD is some influenced by Karate. However, TKD is NOT a essentially Karate. During Japanese occupation period, Taekkyon survived. this can prove by various evidence. Manacpowers (talk) 15:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

You still do not show me any encyclopedia said, TKD is essential karate? now you understand? JJL' sources are fringe theory. and I do not deny TKD 'some' influenced by Karate. But JJL's edit is original research by fringe sources. His torn and heavy POV are problem. do you really understand what is the real problem? Manacpowers (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

As you have repeatedly removed my comments from you talk page I'll answer here. I have no idea has to how closely TKD & karate are linked and, to be frank, I really do not care. All I am trying to do is present the fact that there are people that hold differing views, such as yourself and JJL both these views can be sourced so should be mentioned. That is all I am trying to do. --Nate1481(^t/_c) 09:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

OMG. too many 'citaion needed' tags. article page is dirty. even you already know, controvercy exist(JJL make this). there is no need fact checking. and your english is not good, too.

• organisations(x)
• organizations(o)

Manacpowers (talk) 08:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

i revert it. because so many fact checking tag and so many miss spelling. i want you keep a neutral stance and good faith editor.Manacpowers (talk)

and "taekkyon survived" this sentence believed that not only kukiwon but also taekkyon. And, there is no evidence that Taekkyon was a essentially vanished.(even JJL do not prove this)

• "taekkyon survived" this fact is no dispute. not only wrong sentence but also expression are problem. Manacpowers (talk) 08:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

• "however, the Kukkiwon states that taekkyeon survived through underground teaching and folk custom."

do you still do not know what is the wrong? THIS IS WRONG EXPRESSION. NOT ONLY KUKKIWON BUT ALSO TAEKKYON ADMIT THIS. and NO ONE say, taekkyon is not survived through underground teaching and folk custom. taekkyon wa banned, but survived. so, this is not controvercy section. OK? "however, the Kukkiwon states" is not a good expression. Manacpowers (talk) 08:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

as i know, Taekkyon is Old style Taekwondo.

1. Taekkyon orginization admit their arts survived underground.

• by Taekkyon Korea orginization site(Korean) ,
• by Taekkyon: Traditional Korean Martial Art (2005). Korea Taekkyon Association. Taekkyon is a native Korean martial art that was nearly lost forever during the early 1900's. Preserved by Grandmaster Song Duk-ki until his death, it is considered a Cultural Asset by the Korean government
• by Chung Do Kwan, Choi Hong Hi's interview.

Chung Do Kwan - founded in 1944 by Lee, Won Kyuk. He had studied Taekkyon in An Gup Dong(Seoul), He also studied Karate in Okinawa, Kung Fu centers in Henan and Shanghai in China, and other.

Choi Hong Hi. interviews with General Choi.. Young Choi’s father sent him to study calligraphy under one of the most famous teachers in Korea, Mr. Han II Dong. Han, in addition to his skills as a calligrapher, was also a master of Taek Kyon, the ancient Korean art of foot fighting. The teacher, concerned over the frail condition of his new student, began teaching him the rigorous exercises of Taek Kyon to help build up his body. and various more evidence........!

2. Taekkyon Korea(Korean) is orginization. 3. Nowdays Taekkyon is evidence. 4. There is no reocord exist that taekkyon was a essntially vanished in that time.(scintific evidence, history record, or something) Manacpowers (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

not enough english source of Taekkyon. http://www.escapeartist.com/efam/93/art_Korea_Martial_Art.html

Korean Taekkyon: Tradition Martial Art Dance Form By Antonio Graceffo

"Write for us During the Japanese occupation, 1910 – 1945, the art was banned and nearly died out. Fortunately one very old master, named Song Duk-Ki, survived. He is personally credited with having saved the art, continuing to teach students, until his death, at age 96, in 1987. In recent years, Taekkyon has enjoyed a resurgence, with national competitions and Taekkyon demonstrations at national festivals. The university students I interviewed said that they enjoyed practicing Taekkyon because they could enjoy all of the physical and health benefits of martial arts, without getting injured. One friend said, “Taekkyon is part of our cultural heritage. By practicing, I am helping to keep our history alive.” " Manacpowers (talk) 09:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

there is no one say, taekkyon was totally vanished. so This is not dispute by anybody. Manacpowers (talk) 09:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. sorry. i dunno about your britain english. i just "OMG!" by so many fact tag. However, I appreciate your effort. and i'm not a native english. so please understand me. and if you want delete this section, it is OK to delete this. whole delete is OK. Manacpowers (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't delete EXIST theory. believe it or not, THAT is exist theory. do not delete it, again. i already edit that "some claim" or "accodring to britanice".. IT IS EXIST. hapkido invned in india. you think this is korea POV? THAT is exist.Manacpowers (talk) 10:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I already said, There is evidence that people believe Hakido invned in india and Aikido systematized by Morihei Ueshiba. and as there are sources that people believe this, so the fact that they exist should be included. I am explicelty NOT saying that we should include "Hapkido = India" as a fact. I am specificaly saying we should report that these views exist. Manacpowers (talk) 10:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I did not say, hapkido is india. I am specificaly saying we should report that these views exist. Manacpowers (talk) 11:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I translate it to english. Manacpowers (talk) 11:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

if you still doubt my translate is not belieable. if you don't beleive my translate ir correct or not. please show these source to other person who understand korean language. Like caspian blue. and check my translation is correct. and i do not say "Hakipdo =India", There is evidence that people believe Hapkido invented in india and Aikido systematized by Morihei Ueshiba. and as there are sources that people believe this, so the fact that they exist should be included. Manacpowers (talk) 11:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I Just don't care any more, my opinion is you are a disruptive editor, not willing to compromise. Just leave me out of your edit wars, and I will try and pick up the pieces when you get bored of causing trouble here. --Nate1481(^t/_c) 12:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Or you can have him blocked for being a disruptive editor. Why is it the obviously non-native English speaking editors that cause these sorts of problems? --Marty Goldberg (talk) 15:01, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I reply this issue in here. Manacpowers (talk) 03:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:

I appreciate your effort to resolve the tendentious long-time dispute between the two users. Actually, I read whenever editors update their opinion at Talk except Manac because frankly speaking, I tend to be (very) distracted to his saying due to his writing style and accusative tone with his English...I'm not certainly fluent and patient at English as well as at reading other people's Engrish..... I think the meditation is progressing quite well with interventions by Humanbing, Onorem and you. It seems that I, who're ignorant of the subject do not need to intervene the matter. Three of you do not side any party particularly, but I sense that Mac thinks you side JJL's Karate origin hyperthesis because you said JJL's sources are not fridge theories... You also would not mind his removal of people's comment (he does that on my comments too :)) I guess that is because he wants to show his argument and source conspicuous at his talk page. Well, I will help him if he needs some help for translation, but at this time, he understands what is going on. --Caspian blue (talk) 18:28, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:3RR notice board

I understand your frustration really. He used to quote not only yours but others including me to justify his POV. However, he misquotes or misunderstand the context, so I said (proclaim) to him yesterday not to copy-paste other's statement. He seems not realize that his behaviors irritate people. I also almost lost my patience with him, however, the 3RR report is in no relation with his conducts. WP:RFC or WP:WQA might be better places. --Caspian blue (talk) 15:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)