User talk:Nihonjoe/Archive 15

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Allen Greenfield

Your note to me was appreciated. I really do need to speak to an administrator per my comment "October 10, 2006 - Again, a friend alerted me to the fact that this article has yet to be brought up to the technical standards Wikipedia requires, and has again been flagged. As the article is about me, naturally, I am concerned. Obviously, a number of persons have seen fit to give enough attention to the article to note that it is not in proper local format, and I gather that several persons have edited it, and, I gather also, it has even been voted upon as to whether it belongs here or not, and was deemed appropriate. I am not a technical person. I am an author. From the standpoint of content, I wish some informed person or persons would include more critical perspective, but there is little I can do about that. Likewise, I have looked over the editing pages and they are, frankly, over my poor head. If someone would be kind enough to put this piece in a format acceptable to Wikipedia, I would be most appreciative. Allen Greenfield 23:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)"

Since writing the above, I have confirmed that the person in question *is* the source of the request for deletion. I want to emphasise that he has a history of "flaming" anything I say in a public forum, under pretext of "reviews" or "criticisms" that all point back to an entirely personal matter. This hardly seems other than a sophisticated personal attack, and responsible sources (e.g. Amazon.com) have agreed with me and removed his "reviews" of my book. The intent is clearly defamatory, not critical. Allen Greenfield 66.32.169.248 (talk • contribs • count)

For the article deletion discussion, it doesn't matter who nominated the article for deletion if the article doesn't meet (in this case) the guidelines for inclusion on Wikipedia. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Ceyockey RfA

A generic but nonetheless warm "thank you" for your generous words of support in my RfA. I'm glad that you affirmed Radiant's nomination and I'll be measured in my use of the cleaning closet's contents. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 22:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I think you'll do an excellent job. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

David Ruben RfA

Nihonjoe/Archive 15, thank you for your support in my RfA which passed on 13th December 2006 with a tally of 49/10/5. I am delighted by the result and a little daunted by the scope of the additional tools; I shall be cautious in my use of them. I am well aware that becoming an Admin is not just about a successful nomination, but a continuing process of gaining further experience; for this I shall welcome your feedback. Again, many thanks for supporting my RfA, feel free to contact me if you need any assistance. :-) David Ruben 01:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 20:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sorcery 101 (2nd nomination)

The wiki software must be getting better at resolving edit conflicts automatically than it used to be. The AfD was not yet closed when I began writing my last comments, and only turned up in a closed state after I saved them. Should I have self-reverted at that point? Henning Makholm 15:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, self-reverting would have been good at that point. The history shows a six minute difference from when you posted and when I closed the discussion. Feel free to post your comments on the talk page, though. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 20:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

AfD contributions

Nihonjoe - with all due respect, I maintain that the AfD's started by BooyakaDell were made in contravention of Wikipedia procedeure. I resent the accusation of "attack" when I was presenting to the contributors to the deletion discussion a fact - that Booyaka was defying advice not to tag articles until the dispute I referred to was completed. Booyaka is suspected of being a sockpuppet - so why shouldn't I object to an AfD nomination for the reason I gave? I think it's a valid argument against the AfD in each case. Limiting AfD to the reasons for nomination allows the abuse of the AfD process and that must not happen. Curse of Fenric 23:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Innocent until proven guilty. You specifically implied that BooyakaDell was a vandal by your comments, and the only thing I can see is you two having content disputes. Content disputes are not vandalism. Please limit your comments to the AfD discussion, and refrain from any personal attacks or anything which could be construed as such. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe him to be a vandal. What started as a content dispute became vandalism when he was advised not to tag articles. That IS an AfD issue because the nomination was made as a part of the vandalisation of WP. I refute the accusation of a personal attack utterly. The user is guilty as far as I'm concerned, and I am not the only one who believes this to be true. Vandals are people who make unconstructive edits. That is what Booyaka has done with the tagging - and another user (assuming they aren't one in the same and I believe they are) JB196 was banned for this exact variety of behaviour. Curse of Fenric 23:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, regardless of what you personally believe, please only include relevant information in AfD discussions, and please keep your comments to the facts and not use an accusatory tone. Thank you. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I just came back from a three day break - and I can tell you that the fact that the nomination was made in bad faith I firmly believe IS relevant to the AfD under WP:IAR as the user was a threat to the WP database. Further to this, the user has now been proved to be a sock and has been banned, vindicating my belief. And proving I was in fact providing facts as well. The rule was brought up whilst I was away, and I was not aware of it until now. I will however note that comment about the accusatory tone - although to be honest I don't know how I could have made the point any other way at the time. Any suggestions for future reference would be appreciated. Curse of Fenric 20:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps wording such as "Please see the discussion here." would work. This provides a link to the relevant sock discussion, but does so in a manner that is completely neutral and allows others to visit the link and make their own determination based on the evidence presented there. Hope that helps. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

ISBN formatting

Thank you for cleaning up the ISBN formatting on the Laurence Gardner article. I've not found how to properly do this, could you point me in the right direction? CuriousGiselle 19:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing: Wikipedia:ISBN. Hope that helps. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: User:Nihonjoe/Samurai

Hiya. This page, listing the problem articles posted by DarinFidika and others, has been pointed out to me; as I re-create these articles, removing/replacing the copyvio versions, would you like me to simply edit the list, or shall I let you know what I'm up to, and you'll take care of it? I don't want to impinge upon your own subpages; as of right now, the ones I've created wholecloth since their deletion are Hori Hidemasa, Nagao Tamekage, and Ochiai Michihisa. Thanks. LordAmeth 20:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to update the list with notes next to each one (just something indicating that you've recreated it) as you create new, non-copyvio articles to replace those which have been deleted. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Banned user Darin Fidika returning

Thought you might want to know: [1] . I blocked him on sight, but this may not be the end of it. Hope your vacation is going well! FreplySpang 19:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Your block of Darin Fidika

Darin Fidika, who you blocked, has made an {{unblock}} request on his talk page. Please respond to it.Eli Falk 09:26, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I've done so. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

After his unblock request was declined, he deleted it from his page and placed another unblock request there (Blatantly ignoring the "Do not replace this message with another unblock request.") - I think he is hoping to get someone who is unaware of the situation to unblock him. --Kuuzo 03:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

List of Daytona International Speedway fatalities

You closed the List of Daytona International Speedway fatalities AfD as "keep" but with a merge tag for the page's editors to work out details. We've referenced the full list (and we'll be adding more reliable sources), and improved the intro, and improved the parent article's text on the topic. Are you okay (as closing admin) with it being kept, rather than having a lot of "noted but not central to the Speedway's history" detail in the main article? Barno 01:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with whatever is decided by consensus at the article, so please discuss it there. As long as the article is improved, I'm fine with it. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser on Shougiku Wine / Mythologia

When you indef'ed Shougiku and Mythologia, you marked down that there was a Checkuser connecting them, but there's no record in RFCU case archives. Shougiku has made an appeal on the unblock-en-l list and I'm trying to track down all the facts of the case. Any info you have would be appreciated. Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 06:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

This is the applicable case. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 08:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Georgewilliamherbert 08:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Banned User Darin Fidika Returning

User:Darin Fidika II - the entire crux of his argument seems to be that plagarized articles should be left alone to be expanded (and that he denies plagarism). I honestly don't care one way or another if he comes back, as I'm sure he will be more careful, but his "justification for return" admitedly disturbs me only because he seems to be trying to make a case to get the plagarized articles undeleted - and this is the only reason I'm even bringing this up - my only concern here is keeping plagarized articles from wikipedia, not keeping the user in question from wikipedia. As an aside, is it "valid" (for lack of a better word) for him to plead his case with every account tagged as an admin on wikipedia? Seems a bit inefficient for everyone. --Kuuzo 03:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've taken care of the sock account. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 20:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

If you're keeping a list of the socks, User:Tang Priest is one too. FreplySpang 23:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Your block of Darin Fidika (2)

Darin Fidika, who you blocked, has made an {{unblock}} request on his talk page. Please respond to it.Eli Falk 09:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

This is his second unblock request. --Kuuzo 09:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I've responded again. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 20:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Darin's block still "indefinite", or... what are the conditions for him to be able to come back? I have tried to explain to him that he needs to provide a serious explanation for why he should be unblocked, describing that he understands why plaigiarized articles cannot be left alone until they're expanded and apologizing for his previous actions. I have also told him that I refuse to act unilaterally or against the wishes of others admins (i.e. yourself) and that therefore simply continuing to plead his case with me won't get me to unban him against your wishes. So... what's to be done? I hate to see someone banned indefinitely who's not a vandal and had good intentions, even if his methods in the past have been all wrong. I'd hate to be in his situation.... Suggestions? LordAmeth 12:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It's indefinite until he owns up to the fact that he was plagiarizing, and then convinces us that he's sincere about changing his ways and always sourcing everything he does. As it is, he keeps dancing around the subject and trying to lay the blame on any number of people (many times me) rather than just admitting he made one mongo huge blunder. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Sounds good. Thank you for laying it out in black-and-white for me, just so I know where the whole thing stands. LordAmeth 08:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 22:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Airline preference

Which airline do you prefer - All Nippon Airways or Japan Airlines? Bigtop 00:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I've never had the opportunity to fly JAL, though I've heard they are excellent. ANA has really small seats (for someone of northern European build), and places the seats too close together (that whole "Sorry my knees are digging into your back, but I can't help the way they built the plane" thing). (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, just because I'm curious, why do you want to know my preference? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you very much for the kind Barnsensu. It's certainly always great to be appreciated, particularly from yourself. I'd also like to state that I've always looked up to you and your great contributions, and often look at your articles and pages for inspiration and the best format to follow during my own edits. Dokkiri Doctor is also one of my favorites (^_^), so it's great to know that it was also one of your favourites, and I'd like trying to improve and expand on it over the coming days. Ganryuu (talk) 10:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thank you for the kind words. (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:PikachuANAplanepic.jpg

You were the original uploader of this image on the English project, however, we have no details as to its source. It was listed as "Copyrighted, free use" on Commons, but we have no information as to who the copyright holder of the image is. If it is your photograph, please license it accordingly. Thank you. Bastiq▼e ^demandez 22:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 22:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Week

The best existing proposal I can, in my own limited way, think of for the previously discussed "appreciation week" can now be found at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week#Wikipedia Week. Any comments or responses would be more than welcome. Badbilltucker 15:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I've left a comment there. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Cinema of Japan

Take a look at what you did to the link: Cinema of Japan#See also. That's why I reverted it. I assumed you changed a number of them, please ensure they're done correctly. Doctor Sunshine 19:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, looks like there was a typo on this one. You could have just fixed it instead of reverting it. Your edit summary didn't even explain anything (being just "rv"), either, so I apologize if I couldn't read your mind and see what you were doing. In the future, a more clear edit summary might help things, or you could just fix the very minor mistake and be done with it. Thanks, though. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Llama Song AfD

I noticed you deleted the Llama Song article today. It seems to have had an AfD against it but almost two years ago, and I remember it existing in the meantime. Could you tell me what happened with this article - had it been existing ignoring the AfD for all that time? Also do you think it might be worth running a new AfD given the article seemed to be (to my knowlege) de-facto existing for the two years since it was voted to be deleted? The Sculler 23:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It was first deleted (according to the logs) on 2005-03-19, deleted again on 2005-12-28, restored on 2006-05-08, and deleted the latest time on 2007-01-09. It hasn't been "de-facto existing" for two years since being deleted. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, if you think it should be undeleted, feel free to take it to Deletion review as I don't have an opinion either way. I was only processing the deletion. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. I checked the deletion logs (don't know why I didn't the first time) and found the second, more recent AfD. Everything seems in order: it was a nice article to have around but that's not a reason to challenge an AfD, so I'll drop it. The Sculler 22:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Delete Azul Systems

Sorry, Nihonjoe. You're right, the article Azul Systems does not read like an article, but rather it is copyed verbatim from its corporate website. I have re-requested for speedy deletion under {{db-copyvio}} -- Emana 01:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, for that it's definitely speediable. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Delete Campustech

You removed the speedy delete - repost tag, despite the fact that Administrator Merope deleted the article earlier in the day. There is nothing notable about the subject company. I've replaced the speedy-repost tag, perhaps we could get a second opinion. =Taco325i 01:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Please remember to be polite. We are all volunteers here. When I looked at it originally, I must have misread the history because it seemed to be a lot longer than just today. When I looked at it this time, there was only the reposted material. It's been axed. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Please stop deleting the Canorus article

Hi, please stop deleting the Canorus article. Did you read my comments on the talk page and the deletion log? Just because you have not heard of the program does not mean that it is "non-notable"; I tried to give some reasons why it is, in fact, "notable" (pun not intended :) Please let us go through the longer (un)deletion process, as I requested on the talk page for Canorus.

Cheers, Merphant 03:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember indicating that I've never heard of the program. In fact, I have actually heard of it, but that doesn't make it notable. The fact that it isn't even in a usable state makes it completely non-notable. Until there's a working version of the program out, and reliable sources can be cited discussing it, it will continue to be non-notable. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Beyond Limitz

why did you delete my beyond limitz page? it didn't break any rule or anything. you tell us we can post any article as long as its not profanity or anything like that then you delete my page for no reason. I am appealing this deletion. have a good day and God Bless. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cottin8906 (talk • contribs).

Please do not delete other comments when posting yours. Thank you.

Please note, first of all, that no article belongs to any one person on Wikipedia. See this page for details on that. As for why it was deleted, I explained the reason in the edit summary: "non-notable, blatant advert". To learn more, please read this page. If you wish to appeal the deletion, please make your argument here. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 19:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Onishi Norimitsu

Your contribution to this article has been reverted by USer:Saintjust. This guy has been unilaterally reverting everyone's edits and contributions even when other editors have been disagreeing with him. It might be helpful if you could explain your position in the talk page although Saintjust will probably just dismiss it and continue reverting everyone else's edits. We've just left his reversions alone to not engage in a revert war in violation of WP:EW. If you can help us resolve this in your role as an admin that would also be great. Thanks.Melonbarmonster 02:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:Otogi Zoshi characters

Since your initial comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 6#Category:Otogi Zoshi characters articles have been placed in the category. Do you still think it should be deleted? (Please can you reply at the category discussion if you want to change your vote.) Timrollpickering 19:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I've commented now. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandal WiggerEnom

Thanks for stepping in in the recent vandalism of Japanophile. I was just familiarising myself with the standard procedure about this kinda vandalism and pondering what warning I should leave at the vandal's talk page. Well, at least I'll be a little better prepared for next time :) TomorrowTime 07:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 07:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it was safe to hit the infinite button there (and I did) - it was plain cut vandalism not 3RR, at least in the final edit -- Tawker 07:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It'll probably work out to be fine in the long run, but I always like to give people a chance. At least under this account he'd never been warned until I warned him. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 07:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's my bad. I shoulda left a warning on his talk page the first time I reverted his edit. TomorrowTime 07:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. He's taken care of now (at least for now). ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleted pages template and short pages

This would be an interesting possibility. The problem is that the bot that sets up the Short pages list only looks at the length of the page before transclusion, not after. So anything in the template itself would never be seen by the bot.

One solution would be if the deleted pages templates were allways subst-ed. Then, instead of the short template, you would have the full text of the template on the page, and it would be far outside of the range of the Short Pages lists.

Hmm. I know of several templates that place nice red banners across their top if they are not subst-ed. I wonder if it would be appropriate/acceptable to place a similar banner across the top of the various salting tamplates. Check out {{cfd}} for an example of such a banner. If such a template would be accpepted by other admins, I could be BOLD and go ahead and toss it into the template myself. I would still need to expand (by comment or substing) existing instances of the template that are showing up on the list, but doing that would hopefully get admins to subst out any future instances of the salting templates.

In the end, the key to all of this is how infrequently the Short Pages list is updated. Once a week at best, one a month at worst. And when it *is* updated, it only includes 1,000 entries. Salted pages are short, 11 to 18 characters depending on which template was used, and they show up on the list, taking up valuable slots that could be showing other potentially problem pages. Making them longer, one way or another, drops them off the list the next time it is run, freeing up those slots for other short pages. - TexasAndroid 18:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've started (hopefully) a discussion on this issue over at Template talk:Deletedpage. - TexasAndroid 18:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I like this idea, and if it's implemented, a bot could be assigned to go through and subst the instances that currently exist. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think we are out of luck. Mid-way through that discussion page is an existing discussion of the situation. It explains several reasons why the template should *not* be substed, and the problem with Short Pages is the only reason for substing. Given the reasons against, I'm pretty sure that it is not going to happen. Adding more comments in a moment... - TexasAndroid 18:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if there is a way to have the bot automatically ignore any page which transcludes this template? That would fis the problem, too. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

On thing is, I don't know who runs/admins the SP bot, and I've never met anyone else who did. It appears to be something run manually on the server side of things. It certainly is on no regular schedule. A while back SP was generated dynamically, and was an immensely useful tool for catching page blankings. But I'm certain it was also a resource hog. It was changed to being cached, and the cache occasionally updated. But there was no notice of the change, it just happened. And I really have no idea who does it. If I did, there are times I would like to prod them for more frequent updates of the page. So I also have no clue who to go to to get changes made in what the bot does or does not recognize. as legitimate short pages. - TexasAndroid 18:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

As for a bot, whether substing (not gonna happen) or even just to add long comments like I have been doing, the key problem is that these are salted pages. Which also means that they are protected from editing. Any bot would have to run with admin permissions, and with a few exceptions people have been very, very wary of giving bots admin abilities. And I just cannot see this as being anywhere near an important enough issue to get around that negative momentum. - TexasAndroid 18:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I know both Tawkerbots have admin powers, and there are others, too. I think we could find one to do it. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Catharsis (band) recreated. it was deleted for no good reason

I have recreated this article. it was deleted for no good reason. please talk to me if you want evidence that this article ir relevant, or see the talk page. By the way: is there a way to recover the last version or the history of this article? thanks. -Cacuija (my talk) 21:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

In order for the article to remain, it must meet the notability requirements at WP:MUSIC. In order for it not be speedy deleted, it must make a claim of notability (Why is the band important? What makes them notable as compared to any other hardcore punk band?). If you do this, then the article has a chance of staying. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Good. i already did this in the Talk page of the recreated article. listed for how many years this band played, where they toured, and the cds the put out, but the article was removed. any page where to put this info? or any way to get what i wrote in Talk:Catharsis (band)? thanks, --Cacuija (my talk) 14:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest, rather than recreating the article, that you work on a version on a subpage of your userpage (User:Cacuija/Catharsis (band) for example). Once you have an article that definitely meets the requirements of WP:MUSIC, and makes these notability claims clearly within the article itself, then you can go to Deletion review and request that the article be undeleted. This way you will be going about the whole thing within the established guidelines on the site and you'll have a better chance of succeeding. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 19:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The article was removed not it was argued that the band was not notable itself, rather than the article was incomplete or something. The band is well known in the anarchist hardcore-punk circles. And i have listed these reasons in the Talk page of the article i recreated. how can you do to access this information?. Thanks. --Cacuija (my talk) 13:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)