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Girls with guns

Thank you so much for your help with this! There are things I am good at, others I'm not, thank you for catching the slack there! :) Your friend, Chris 08:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Something you may want to be aware of

User:Horashe who you recently blocked, is back with two new accounts under the names User:FukuzawaYumi and User:Horasha. Also, the user has once again began to upload images with copyright problems: Image:Yumi&Sachi.jpg.--十八 14:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've blocked Horasha as it's obvious that account is abusing multiple accounts. FukuzawaYumi hasn't done anything abusive yet, so I'll keep an eye on the account for now. If you see anything that needs my attention, please let me know. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 14:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

User:FukuzawaYumi

I suspect User:FukuzawaYumi of being a sockpuppet of User:Horashe. Yumi uploads the same images, with the same names as Horashe, (some of them have been deleted as duplicates) and persists in uploading them under free licenses, even though I told them not to do that. Yumi also persists in creating individual character pages, as Horashe did. (in the case of the character Yumi, at least two pages...) I don't know how to properly report sock puppets, so I hope this will do. -Malkinann 20:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add the user's persistant efforts to split character information from List of Maria-sama ga Miteru characters into separate character articles, but since these articles don't have secondary sources or rather any outside information, they should not be created per WP:FICT, so I have redirected them and merged what info I could into the list of characters article. Might I add that he blanked that character article not only once, but again in this edit, and finishing with this edit. --十八 22:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

FukuzawaYumi and Horasha have both been indefinitely blocked as abusive sockpuppet accounts of Horashe for uploading image with blatantly false and misleading copyright information and persisting in doing so even after being warned not to do so. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

User:OgasawaraSachiko

The user is at it again with yet another sockpuppet. They have already uploaded two more images with copyright problems seen here and here. The other one here doesn't even have a licensing tag.-十八 23:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I've left a note about the only policy violation the account has made so far. Whoever marked the other two images should make sure to notify the user they have been marked as having no valid copyright information. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 01:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...looks like the lessons may be sinking in as this editor is now uploading images using the proper copyright tags. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh Heh

Heh, thanks for the page request! Unfortunatly, the latest date I could be able to work on that page is Sep. 19th. :( Not having money for bills are kinda bad. :D L337p4wn 18:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello and Invite

I don't know if you've noticed -- with 5700 pages on your watchlist, maybe not! -- but I have begun a major revision of the Manga entry. You can find my credentials for doing so on my User page. I've posted a few early revisions to the Manga and to the Manga/Anime project pages, but the main revision can be found at Timothy_Perper/Sandbox.

We've been rewriting and adding references. It is a WORK IN PROGRESS, and I'd like to invite you to come by and add comments, advice, opinions, and contributions. Little bit at a time, slow and steady. I hope it interests you enough to join in!

It's probably best if you leave an answer on my sandbox page.

Timothy Perper 19:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Reference Library for Manga Books

Thanks for your suggestion for putting the book titles about manga into the reference library. Actually, I had thought of that, but couldn't figure out for the life of me how to do it.

But otherwise Yes, I'll certainly be willing to list them.

And Yes, I own all these books.

Timothy Perper 10:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

If you have any questions on how to do it, just let me know. I'll be happy to help you out. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 20:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Very kind of you. It's not my #1 priority at the moment -- I'm working on revising the Manga article, and trying to figure out the reference formatting language. I may ask your help with *that*! The formatting language is not all that hard compared the University of Chicago style, but still the details have to be right. Timothy Perper 00:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I recommend using the {{cite}} series of templates (found here). You can see how they are used in the article Toilets in Japan. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 02:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but the explanations in "cite" and category citation templates don't mean anything to me, and there don't seem to be any footnotes of the kind I want in the Toilets in Japan article. If you come by Timothy Perper/Sandbox you can see the kind of thing I want. It might not exist in Wikipedia, but that'd be strange since it's standard in scholarly print publishing. Timothy Perper 12:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

If you just want a footnote without citing anything, just use the <ref></ref> tags. Anything you place between them will appear in the References section. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Aha! Let me try that. I may be exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks. Timothy Perper 21:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

And it worked just like that. Thank you! Timothy Perper 05:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Problem Frames Approach

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Problem Frames Approach. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Secretlondon 21:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, "an editor". (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD Rapture (film)

So where did my AfD for it go? It seems a bit much to delete the new AfD because of a procedural error. Girolamo Savonarola 03:56, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't delete it. I moved it to where it should have gone. You must have looked for it while I was in the middle of correcting the AfD discussion locations. The links are on Talk:Rapture (film). ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Questions about manga images

As you know, we've been revising the manga page. The question comes up about images. It said somewhere, though I can't find it at the moment, that there were some copyright issues about them on the manga page.

I am *very* reluctant to put images on the revised pages because I don't think that there's any real "fair use" rationale for it. Once the image is up, it's gone public because people out there make screen snapshots of everything, Wiki included. The web is *filled* with websites that have copyright-violating material on them, and I don't think Wikipedia should be among them.

Nonetheless, I know that many editors like images, and so do many users. For example, when I revised the Baku (spirit) page, I *could* have scanned in an image of a tapir baku from Rumiko Takahashi's Lum, published by Viz, and then have put it into the article. And no matter what kind of "fair use" I think I'm doing, it's still copyright violation. So In did NOT include any such image on that page.

There's an article on manga iconography that has lots and lots of *words* describing things, and that article is crying out for images. But putting them in, even in the name of fair use, is copyright violation. So, yes, I'm something of a stickler about this.

What are your feelings about this issue?

Timothy Perper 12:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use of an image is not copyright violation in the States. The copyright law has specific exceptions for fair use in reviews, encyclopedia articles, informational sites, etc. Yes, there are some sites out there that abuse fair use, but Wikipedia is generally not among them. As long as the image use is following the criteria on WP:FUC, then you'll be fine. Just make sure to put in a specific Fair Use Rationale on the image page for each article where the image is used. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and let me ponder this. I've used illustrative material in papers I've published, and I get permission (have to) to republish the images. It may be that print and internet/web use is significantly different legally, with copyright law about print being more rigorous, but I much prefer to err on the side of caution. Timothy Perper 06:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Depending on how you use the images, you may be correct about having to get permission. However, if it's used as I described above, then you technically don't have to get permission. It's likely just the policy of your publishers to get permission so they don't have to worry about anything regardless of how you use the images. Any use here on Wikipedia must be either free or fair use (preferably free). In the case of articles about fictional subjects, the likelihood of finding a free image is next to nothing (if even that good), so fair use images are the only ones that can be used. As long as that use doesn't become excessive, and each image is properly sourced and given a valid fair use rationale, then there won't be a problem. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

One exception I know from print publishing is that it's usually OK -- no permissions needed -- for covers of books and DVDs, including comic books. Are you familiar with that? This may be a ways off, but I'm lining up the ducks. Timothy Perper 06:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Low resolution screen shots are generally allowed as well. Even still, if it's a book, publishers will usually get permission. Magazines, review websites, and general information sites such as Wikipedia generally just go with fair use as they don't usually use more than a cover scans and screen shots, and generally in small numbers. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Request

Good day to you. May i ask you a favor? You see, i want to create individual articles of the Marimite characters, but it seems that you don't allow me or anybody to do it. So can you let me seperate informations and create news Marimite character articles. For example, can you allow me to create a new page for the character Yumi Fukuzawa rather than using the informations on List of Maria-sama Ga Miteru characters. I think i have enough informations to do it. Please, reply to me after you have readed this. OgasawaraSachiko 18:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to create individual articles on characters as long as they meet the same requirements all other pages have to meet. Notability, verifiability, and use of reliable, independent sources are the three you will need to address first. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Democrat in Name Only versus Friedman (unit)

How could there possibly be sources for Friedman (unit) and not for Democrat in Name Only? The sourcing for DINO is much better than for Friedman. Croctotheface 20:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

If you don't think Friedman (unit) is a notable article, feel free to nominate it for deletion. I personally don't care about either one (no positive or negative opinion either way). ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I have nominated it for deletion, twice. I guess i wasn't very clear in my first comment: in my mind, the case against Friedman is the same as the case against DINO, except stronger. The breakdown of non-votes was similar in in the Friedman AfDs and the third DINO AfD. However, Friedman ended up being a default keep while DINO ended up deleted. I am just confused by this inconsistency. Croctotheface 08:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, since I had nothing to do with those two AfDs, I can't really comment on them. I'd never heard of Friedman (unit) until you mentioned it. Sorry. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 08:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Could you look at Friedman unit AfD and explain why the cases are different? Is it possible that the closing admin there took a different approach to things like consensus and policy? If so, shouldn't there be more consistency?  : If you can't help me, do you know somebody who could? I'm not asking you to make trouble: I'm genuinely confused here and looking for answers. Croctotheface 08:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I probably would have closed it as "no consensus" as well, as there was nothing approaching consensus in that discussion. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Then why was there consensus for Democrat In Name Only? Were many of the people in favor keeping the article SPAs or something? Croctotheface 17:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Please do not revert without reason

Please do not make reversions without adding some kind of reason, or at least discussing the reversion on the talk page, as you did with GameTZ.com. Thanks. 216.40.236.82 10:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't be disingenuous. I very clearly added a reason ("rvv", which means "reverted vandalism"). It was reverted because it was vandalism. If you bothered reading the talk page (as well as the pile of bogus AfD noms), you would know that. Continuing to hide behind an anonymous IP doesn't change that. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

SPA SashaNein 18:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I've been dealing with them for months on this article. You'd think they had something better to do with their time. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm starting to think that it's a grudge against GameTZ or one or more of it's users personally, rather than someone just being a WikiTroll. Seems like an awful lot of effort to squash an article, with very little to show for it. Dstumme 20:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. All of you need to grow up and stop guarding a damn article like it's your only child. The article CLEARLY has issues with notability and rather than fight about it, everyone who has an interest in it should be working on ways to improve it. I've already started numerous discussion in this area and they have been littered with baseless accusations of SPA and vandalism. Please stop this nonsense. And that especially goes for you, Nihonjoe. An admin should know better than to behave like this. 216.40.236.82 05:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not "guarding the article" it's about getting consensus and guarding against vandalism. The consensus on this article, proved through endlessly repetitive AFD's, was that it is notable and cited well enough. Go find another sand castle to kick over already. It's time to let this go. Dstumme 16:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

AFD #5. Gee, thanks for trying to gain consensus Mr. SPA. Also, thanks for deleting several citations and overtagging the article with fact-requests before doing it. Dstumme 14:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Beside that, I "guard" over 6700 articles, and have written several hundred. While I've contributed to the GameTZ.com article, I didn't originally write it, and I'm sure my contributions are far outweighed by those of other contributors. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

David Shea

Hi there,

I received an email from the author of David Shea which you deleted:

07:18, 13 August 2007 Nihonjoe (Talk | contribs) deleted "David Shea" ‎ (content was: '{{db-spam}}David Shea born 1965 David Shea is a New York composer now based in Melbourne, Australia. Coming from the New York 'downtown scene' of th...')

I have no recollection of if I was the person who put the speedy tag on or not, so could you please, (a) check to see if I edited that page at all, and (b) tell me who created the article, so I can respond on their talk page, rather than by email? Thanks! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 13:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I found what I needed. Thanks anyway. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 15:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup taskforce

I added Manga Entertainment to your desk. The project page lists copyediting and wikipeida style as concerns but it also needs to be checked by someone who knows anime and manga. Please take a look at it and accept, reject or let me know and I'll reassign it. It may also be ready for closure. Thank you. RJFJR 04:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Jane Barry

May I please appeal the deletion of the "Jane Barry" page? The discussion page for this entry showed a genuine controversy over Barry's inclusion, which must be a good thing. Practioners from the women's rights world were unanimous in their support. Moreover, the article had quite a lot of work invested in it and definitely had some good content. Would you please consider restoring? Robin.schofield 21:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

If you can provide sources that have more than trivial mention of her, sure. As it is, the links that were included as references barely mentioned Barry, and therefore can't really be used as sources. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Chikara

Despite overwhelming concensus against the move on the talk page, it looks like someone did a cut/paste yesterday. Neier 11:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I reversed it and created a disambig page as that seemed more appropriate at that spot. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Why delete Class A war criminals in Wikipedia:Requested articles/Japan

It is an independent article in Japanese Wikipedia, it is possibly to request an article. Thx.--Burning Flame 14:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Because it already exists? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Redirect only. so...--Burning Flame 10:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I would recommend discussing the creation of the article over onthe talk page of the article to which it is redirected, then. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 14:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario RPG lists

Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Wikipedia:Trivia sections and Wikipedia:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.

1. Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
2. Rename the articles by following the steps at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves.
3. Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
4. Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
5. Write the concept and creation section for the main article

TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Wikipedia:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 01:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest setting up an RFC to get more people coming in and offering opinions on it. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I have considered that as well as posting something at the village pump. Taric25 06:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

KSL

I thought you fixed the Wikilink to KSL-AM.....????? IP4240207xx 18:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 18:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

KSL (AM) and KSL-FM redirect to KSL (radio). These were corrected for the purpose of the Radio Stations Project naming conventions. The (radio) part was added by myself, since there is a lot of disambiguation for the KSL name, and this seemed to be, for the time, to be the best option for it. The KSL Newsradio does not conform to project standards, and we are busting our tails trying to create quality articles about radio stations. Check it out!--Fightingirish 19:25, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

"KSL Newsradio" is the most commonly used way to refer to the station. If the project is saying radio stations should be named something different than the most common name, then the project is violating the WP:NAME policy. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 19:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The most common name is the one given to them by the FCC. See the Radio Stations Project. Also check out WP:NAME#Broadcasting. This says it all.--Fightingirish 20:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess we'll just have to disagree, then. Parentheses should not be used in titles unless absolutely necessary. It's not necessary in this case. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 20:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

For disambiguation purposes (as in the case of KSL), yes. WP:NAME#Broadcasting says so, and the Radio Station Project is in full concurrence with naming conventions. KSL Newsradio is not an appropriate name for a radio station article, though it is allowed to redirect. WP:NAME is very clear on this. --Fightingirish 20:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, we'll just have to disagree on this one. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)