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Message: 331dot

Original title: Apologies

Apologies, my intention was not to offer a bad tone of any kind, simply to be clear and direct so that you avoid further problems. You don't need to reply to this and can of course remove it. 331dot (talk) 11:37, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: I know you weren't intentional. We all become cautious when some guy comes up and starts doing stuffs in your space because we are afraid that he might ruin your hard work. And i am assuring you i am never going to do any edit which causes you and others problems. Its always in good faith from my side. Pesticide1110 (talk) 11:41, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Message: Nick Moyes

Original title: My reply to your email

Thank you for your email. You asked me to delete the redirect I created for Stelth Ulvang, following your post at the Teahouse. I am replying here as I don't see this an off-wiki matter. It's not a major problem to delete the redirect if you need me to, though you or anyone else are free to usurp the redirect yourself and insert content there about Stelth Ulvang. In effect, the current redirect serves as a placeholder, so I was trying to be helpful. Whether you choose to do this via a draft submitted to WP:AFC, or simply paste in content is up to you. That said, without requesting a technical move over redirect, you would lose the editing history, which I guess you'd probably like to keep?

But I see you've now just blanked your sandbox of the content abut Ulvang. So, could you'd kindly clarify your intentions wrt the article? I'll happily either delete the redirect, or attempt the move for you when you're ready. (I'm a new administrator here, so it's a learning curve for me, and I'll happily try to fix it for you and learn the process of retaining histories when moving). Just let me know. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:34, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Apologies for misjudging you, i thought that the redirect will cause problems in creating the article (Oh lord i have forgot everything). Don't worry about me blanking my sandbox, i was just being over-cautious. One of my friends said that someone else can steal the work and try to publish it even before it has been completed, thus lowering the chances of article's publish. I have it all saved in my device.

As you have more edit counts than me, i would like to take an advice. Which one is the better way - Submitting the work through WP:AFC or just the manual way? I'm more inclined towards AFC. Pesticide1110 (talk) 18:04, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying to you. I think if you'd prefer AFC, then go for it via that route, especially if he hasn't yet had a hit record as a single musician. But I'd be equally happy to see it moved over the redirect directly. You choose. If you'd like to point me to the two most significant references in the article that demonstrate notability I'll happily cast a quick eye over them for you. They either need to meet WP:NBIO or WP:NMUSIC. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:47, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes By the way, He has released 4 albums. Also, 2 with his band of which he was co-founder and songwriter.

1. [1]
2. [2]
3. [3]
4. [4]
5. [5].

Check these out if you want to (i have more). I'm sure these will do it for notability. Sometimes we need to step out of this conscience of an organization. If you say it to somebody in USA that Stelth Ulvang isn't a notable person, then all will ask the same - "How many guys equally talented as him can you point out to me?".

A fact i will like to share with you about him is that people actually don't exactly know how many instruments can he play. Because the number is increasing on weekly basis. Instruments which all of us have never heard about, are already used by him. Why did i pick only him from The Lumineers? Why not Ben Wahamaki or anyone else? Because this guy is way too much talented to be a touring member. Pesticide1110 (talk) 08:48, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok, i have decided. I am rather going to move it directly to the redirect than submitting it at AFC. But the problem is that i am not familiar with this redirect thing and hence i do not know how to move it to redirect. But the main question is: Are their any chances of it getting deleted? If yes, then we need to sort it out first. Because it will be better if we can publish the article on February 18th. It's his birthday. Pesticide1110 (talk) 12:26, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

On the deletion thing, there are chances, and the question can not be resolved in advance. Based on the current version, it's unlikely, and I can say with some confidence that it will not be speedily deleted, a deletion will be preceded with a full WP:AFD discussion (about a week, usually). Of course other people will edit it, for example I intend to swoop in like a vulture and remove the birthdate. I'm also not fully pleased with the long list of instruments and will look into shortening that (less is more, sometimes).

On actually doing the move. If you don't care about keeping the edithistory of your draft, you can do it like this: Go to User:Pesticide1110/sandbox, click "edit" and copy all the wikitext. Then go to [6], click "edit" and paste your wikitext over the current (don't leave any of the old redirect code). Write "copypasted from User:Pesticide1110/sandbox" in the WP:ES. Publish. Otherwise, hopefully Nick Moyes can help with the powers of Admin. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I don't think the long list of instruments causes any problems. Instead it improves the article. Note that long list of instruments aren't allowed in the infobox but they can be put within the the article somewhere and i have seen plenty of music articles with these kinds of lists to give an insight about the artist's ability. Im going to wait till Nick Moyes' next message and after that i am going to publish this article. And i'm quite confident that it is never going to be deleted. Atleast i hope so.Pesticide1110 (talk) 13:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

And there we disagree. For one thing, you go far beyond the instruments mentioned in your ref. Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively. My suggestion would be something like "Known for his ability to play a variety of instruments, Ulvang plays [pick 3-4] and several others." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

BTW, if you want you can mention to him that he can take a selfie and upload it here [7]. If that happens, we can use that image in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

It's scattered a bit. I have created the article and i gave exemplary focus on not mentioning those instruments which are not in the references. It may be in some other reference (outside the section) but it surely is there. I understand your point but i think it would be helpful for the readers if we mention the instruments in the article itself rather than just giving an idea. Don't think that im super-imposing my opinions on you but i personally think that the instrument part creates a profound impression. What about Nick's opinion on this issue? Pesticide1110 (talk) 14:07, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I have discussed that image thing to him. I'm still waiting for his response. Actually, he is too busy to upload it all by himself. He will probably attach the photo (caught by his own camera and not copyrighted or published on internet) and send it via e-mail which i therefore can upload. Pesticide1110 (talk) 14:07, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Nick Moyes, Where you at? I am eagerly waiting for your reply on those references so that i can now publish the article. Also, thanks to Gråbergs Gråa Sång for his extended help. Pesticide1110 (talk) 16:02, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I am busy in real life right now, cooking family tea after a long day. We are UTC local time so I may not be able to get round to replying for a little while. Also have to plan for an editathon tomorrow - will be in touch soon. Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 17:29, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Enjoy with your family. I will never disturb anyone while he is giving time to his family. Its great. Im going to publish the article now. I really want to finish this today because i am going through rough patch of time at the moment. Pesticide1110 (talk) 17:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Afd Stelth Ulvang

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Stelth Ulvang is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stelth Ulvang until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. scope_creep^Talk 08:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

June 2020

Please stop your disruptive behaviour. It appears you are purposefully harassing another editor. Wikipedia aims to provide a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing other users, as you did on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stelth Ulvang, potentially compromises that safe environment. If you continue behaving like this, you may be blocked from editing. This is not at all acceptable behaviour. Threatening other editors is not okay. Stop it. Jack Frost (talk) 03:21, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry for my edit summary. But you got a little too much critical about this. Didn't you? That was only the edit summary in which i wrote such thing. It is them who are purposefully harassing me, not me. Pesticide1110 (talk) 04:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Please read Wp:BADGER. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Message: Scope Creep

Pesticide1110, don't add any more to that Afd. You don't keep adding a mountain of muck. Everybody knows what your view is. Leave it be until its finished. scope_creep^Talk 09:26, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not adding further replies Sir. And now, i'm not even allowed to add new evidences? Ok fine. I provided evidences because i was asked in the first place to do so. But still i won't add any from now on because i don't want to be blocked for nothing. Regards Pesticide1110 (talk) 09:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

scope_creep I have a request that you please let me do one last edit there. This is going to be my last addition. I was not thinking about doing anymore edits. But this one directly "addresses" one of the concerns of the editor that he is covered only by regional sources. I just found a citation from The Sydney Morning Herald which is "oldest continuously published newspaper in Australia and has become a national online-news brand.". Regards Pesticide1110 (talk) 12:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Pesticide1110, all a you need is a simple explanation and that is it. Don't not harass or badger anybody about it. It should be a couple of lines and no more. Present your evidence and leave. scope_creep^Talk 15:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Its really funny how some lines of words can harass someone. Although i will take care of it. Pesticide1110 (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Message: SpinningSpark

Original title: Your sandbox translations

I have revdeleted these translations. The original documents are likely copyrighted. Copyright holders also hold copyright in translations of their works. Even if the work is public domain, Google, or whatever tool you used to machine translate it, still hold copyright in the translation. In any case, it really isn't necessary to post this here. You can just post the url of the translation from Google Translate. People can read it there just as well as they can read it in your sandbox. SpinningSpark 14:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

SpinningSpark The url of the translated page isn't working. It is forbidden by google. I have tried it myself. I just copy pasted it for the sake of others. I can guide you on how to translate it for yourself. Just follow these steps:

1. Open the three links given by MarginalCost and download the file without changing its format one by one
2. Open this Google file translator in three different tabs
3. Select "Browse file from your computer"
4. Browse the pdf and click "Translate"
5. Repeat the last 2 steps for the other 2 files in the remaining tabs.

Cheers Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 14:35, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I know how to use Google Translate, I use it all the time in source searches (and you can also use it directly from the Google results pages). Posting the url of the translation does work, Here is the translation for one of the documents we're discussing. It opens fine for me and serves the required translation. SpinningSpark 14:51, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Don't know why my url wasn't working. Although my translated page looked a little bit different to yours which may imply that my way differed to your way of translating the file. Regards Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 14:55, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Looking at your instructions, I think I can see the mistake you are making. You are downloading the files first to your local drive. Google will translate a local file for you, but if you give the url to someone else, google will not be able to access it because files on your computer are not visible across the net. The way to do it is to paste the url of the original website into GT and then click through the translation link. You don't even need to translate it locally first, you can just write https://translate.google.com/translate?u=<url of site you want to translate> although it's probably a good idea to check that it will translate first before you do it. SpinningSpark 15:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Message: Nfitz

Original title: Hard to say

It's a tough call. A clear lack of WP:BEFORE in many cases. They seem to not believe in GNG, and want anything deleted that doesn't obviously meet SNG, and do no research. They fail to engage. They used to nominate lots of articles, before this still active topic ban. There was a recent string of nominations by a blocked sock-puppet, and who was the first to shout delete on almost all of them ... yeah. I don't think any were deleted in the end (though some redirected). At the same time, I'm not sure many who are closing are going to give him much weight. See also this (though that's hardly the AFD I want to die on!). Part of the problem is that any individual comment isn't so bad. But the some total is very questionable. I'm not sure I'm helping ... Nfitz (talk) 19:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Also see this and this. Nfitz (talk) 19:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Nfitz Didn't knew about that existing topic ban. Thanks for pointing it out for me. And since there is already an existing regulation on them, i am not going to initiate another. Its not needed at all. Also, i have nothing more to do with AFDs now. My sole purpose to wander around AFDs and give judgements is now inexistent. But, AFDs are a really great way to increase one's edit count. Isn't it? ;) Regards Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 01:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Message: Netherzone

Original title: Comments at Afd

Hello, and happy 2021 to you. I wanted to reach out to you here, rather than the AfD so as not to muck up that discussion. Normally comments are not changed in deletion discussions unless one uses the strike-out feature; additional material can be added as a separate comment. This helps to preserve the discussion. After you changed your comment, it now reads a bit like I was casting an aspersion, which I was not. Netherzone (talk) 17:08, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Netherzone Happy New Year to you as well, my kind friend. I'm really sorry for making it look like that but i swear my intention was not to do that. I'll change my comment ASAP. Thanks for coming here. Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 17:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick reply, and good to meet you here. I realize you were not being mean-spirited towards me, but it did bother me that it sounded like I was not assuming good faith, when I was simply asking (what seemed to be to be an obvious) question. Anyways, lets put it behind us, and continue on working together on improving this amazing encyclopedia! I really meant what I said about your improvements to the article, that was great work and it took a lot of research on your part. Netherzone (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Netherzone In fact, i had that same question in my mind as well and asking them should never be equated with casting aspersions. I was full of guilt once you made me realise the other aspect of my comment because good editors like you are of paramount importance for me here. Thank you for the appreciation and sorry once again. Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 03:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

No apology necessary! I didn't mean for you to change it again, I meant to point out that if a comment is changed we normally do so by either striking out text, or by adding an additional comment - to keep everything in the discussion history. But it's certainly not a big deal at all, and it certainly doesn't need fixing. My original message to you was not very clear. Ever onward into 2021....and see you around! Netherzone (talk) 22:07, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Message: Gråbergs Gråa Sång

Original title: Minor thing

Hello again, hope things are well. I noticed this edit:[8]. It's fairly harmless, and unlikely to cause the downfall of WP as we know it. But per WP:REDACT, you shouldn't edit like that, editors who notice are unlikely to think it "mature". Happy editing! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I knew that it is not appreciated to change your comment afterwards but that looked really childish and may have a bad effect on other newcomers. That was the reason i changed it. But since its a talk page discussion i don't think that it'll have much effect so i'm going to revert it. Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 14:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Barnstar for you

		The Barnstar of Recovery
		For your improvement to Megan Smolenyak during the deletion discussion, you sure turned the article around! Netherzone (talk) 19:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

A huge credit goes out to you as well for pointing out the issue in the article. Thanks Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 05:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Message: Messirulez

Original title: Re: De Gea

Hi, thanks for your message. I wouldn't say that the style of play section of De Gea's page was inflated or unjustified praise, seeing as everything is reliably sourced; more than anything, it related to his style before 2018, and it does note that crosses were initially a weakness of his, on which he had improved, and he did also improve with his feet and act as a sweeper for a time initially. However, given that he has struggled in all of these areas in more recent seasons, and the section does appear to be somewhat outdated, as demonstrated by statistical analyses, on top of his inconsistent performances, I have included some more recent sources and criticisms over his style, or areas in which he has declined. Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 15:24, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes. I just wanted both sides of the coin to be visible. The section did not indicate how he has improved but is still far from being good at it. Thanks Pesticide1110 ^{Lets wrestle!} 01:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

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