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File source problem with File:Vanessa O'Brien, fastest woman to climb Seven Summits.jpg
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License for Vanessa O'Brien image
[edit]Greetings! I see you've added File:Vanessa-OBrien-South-Pole.jpg to the Vanessa O'Brien article. However, where do you see that the image is under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 license? On the source page, I see a generic copyright notice, which implies an all-rights-reserved license. —C.Fred (talk) 23:59, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hello. My apologies, I have followed all instructions set forth by Wikipedia many, many times and continuously get images deleted for different reasons that now seem to contradict themselves. I am at a loss. The photo I uploaded says its free to use for "press, media, or encyclopedia websites like Wikipedia" directly on the source website. And I have seen this photo in a ton of external sources and other websites. I have tried uploading photos using all options under the license and every time the photo gets deleted, so I just do not know what to do anymore if photos keep getting deleted, no matter what license I choose, that are clearly okay to use based on the language on the person's official website that says its okay to use on sites like Wikipedia. If you could offer advice or suggestions that would prevent me from getting photos deleted, it would be greatly appreciated. I just don't see why I would continue trying to help Wikipedia grow if stuff gets deleted for contradictory reasons by different users. Thank you in advance for your feedback. {{C.Fred|user1}} @C.Fred: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salvatore42 (talk • contribs)
Where do you see that on the website?Further, the license terms you've used imply that the image is free for any purpose, including commercial reuse, which is inconsistent with what you're saying the terms are. —C.Fred (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- I see the text. The problem is, Wikipedia doesn't recognize a "free to use on Wikipedia" license as free enough. Because of the possibility of commercial products based on Wikipedia, free images on Commons have to be free to use. That image of O'Brien cannot be uploaded to Commons. It might be able to be uploaded to the English Wikipedia, but it would have to meet the criteria for use of non-free content. —C.Fred (talk) 00:31, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for uploading File:Vanessa O'Brien, standing next to the metallic sphere on a plinth in the Ceremonial South Pole, near the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station.jpg. However, you had an incorrect license tag on the image. I checked O'Brien's website again, and nowhere did I see a Creative Commons license message. I've changed the license terms to note that the image is not free, although O'Brien has granted rights for it to be used on Wikipedia. I've also provided a fair use rationale to justify why using the image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. —C.Fred (talk) 00:47, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for helping me with this. I read all the information I could find on Wikipedia about uploading images and licenses and thought I fully understood everything, but now I understand this more after reading about what you did. For this photo, and in the future, when trying to add photos to Wikipedia about people, should I reach out and contact the individual using the contact information they provide on their website and ask them permission directly, or advise them to add language to the photo on their website to say they have a Creative Commons license for their photos? Or is it easier/safer to just provide a fair use rationale to justify why using the image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy? I will do whatever you advise since you appear to be a subject matter expert on Wikipedia and photos, ad I want to ensure Wikipedia has accurate and allowed information. Thank you.
- It depends on the image and the subject. As a rule, images of a living person can only be used in an article if they are free photos. (The photo of O'Brien is an exception because it documents her at the South Pole.) In those cases, it would be best to reach out the rights holder of the image to ask if they'll license the image under CC-BY-SA-3.0 or some other free license. The rights holder can then either change the copyright statement on the image page, or they can contact Wikipedia directly via the instructions at WP:Donating copyrighted materials.
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Vanessa OBrien
[edit]You undid factual revisions I made to her entry based on HER requiring you to remove them I suspect which Salvatore42 goes against every ethics rule of Wikipedia. The facts are represented by links to newspaper articles about her family and her brother. None of the information I listed was slanderous, libelous or harmful, and I grew up with Vanessa aka Monica Wojcik in Grosse Pointe myself. You need to answer why today you removed factual info from her bio and what YOUR relationship to Vanessa Monica is. Otherwise I will report you to Wikipedia for ethics violation. So we can keep going and undoing each others' revisions forever, but the FACTS remain. Shhe was born Monica Wojcik, her brother died in a terrible boating accident, and she was very involved here in the punk avant garde music fashion scene in the 80s detroit punk underground movement. If you do not believe me, ASK HER. JaxForth (talk) 20:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi Salvatore, Thanks for explanation in the O'Brien edit summary. I appreciate that. Also your point about Julie Tullis, whom I'd overlooked. Have you got a link to the rules by the RGS & Alpine Club? Ericoides (talk) 07:47, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
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Conflict-of-interest/paid editing
[edit]Per WP:PAID and WP:COI, do you have any declarations to make? The Jim Clash article seems a bit promo-ish. OhNoitsJamie Talk 02:52, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi OhNoitsJamie. I am sorry for the trouble. I have no declarations to make. I do not know him nor have I ever met or spoken to him. I noticed the the Orphan flag on his page and it said to introduce a link back to this page from another Wikipedia article. I thought that meant I was supposed to find another Wikipedia article where I thought he should be listed, and once adding him to that article, I should come back to his article and delete the Orphan tag. Was I not supposed to do that? I was following the instructions of the Orphan tag blurb. Salvatore42 (talk) 03:03, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean; you created this page, so there would be no "orphan flag on his page." The only article that links to his page is Laurel, Maryland, because you added that link.
Are you being paid or otherwise compensated for any of the articles you've created? OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:14, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi OhNoitsJamie. Sorry for the confusion. Regarding your first message, I did create the page. On April 14, another Wikipedia user added the Orphan flag. I just noticed it today. So I followed the instructions on the Orphan Flag and then deleted the Orphan Flag, and then a few minutes later I received the note from you. Regarding your second message, no, I am not being paid or compensated for anything I do on Wikipedia. I am just trying to contribute to the Wikipedia community and add or edit articles that I find sources for that could help build the community. Salvatore42 (talk) 04:27, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- If I've misjudged your edits, I apologize. We deal with a large amount of paid/COI editing, most of it undisclosed. There's nothing wrong with the Clash article per se, but when I look at the content, two scenarios come to mind: (1) someone spent a significant amount of time researching and sourcing every one of Clash's accomplishments or (2) Clash or his representatives provided a CV to a paid editor with a list of accomplishments, who then sourced them all. I'd like to think that it's (1), but I'm seeking the opinions of others to weigh in on their assessments. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:43, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi OhNoitsJamie. No apologies needed at all. I'm happy there are Wikipedia Administrators like you who keep track of this. Should I also look at articles to see if this is happening with other users? Or is that a special designation only qualifying Wikipedia users can obtain? For this article, I can say without equivocation it is (1). The reason there are so many sources is because I thought Wikipedia articles must have tons of sources. I thought Wikipedia likes tons of sources. Every page on Google I found on Jim let me to another page with more information, and then another, and so on, and I guess I got carried away. I could have made the article much smaller, and in hindsight I probably should have. I will make sure to limit the number of sources I use in future articles and edits I decide to work on for Wikipedia. Sorry again for the trouble.
- Per WP:AGF, I'm inclined to take your word for it. It wasn't the number of sources that caught my attention, but rather the way in which it was presented (a list of accomplishments, rather than prose highlighting some of the accomplishments). The "list of accomplishments" pattern is a common pattern we see with paid editing, where an editor is given a list by the subject. There's no issues with having a lot of high-quality sources. I've removed the COI tag, but the "primary sources" tag is still relevant, as a large share of the sources are the articles that Clash wrote. It may be preferable to highlight some of those accomplishments/articles in prose rather than to enumerate all of them. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi OhNoitsJamie. I understand what you mean by most of the sources being articles he wrote. Ugh, this is my fault. I was being lazy. I assumed since the article was on a credible publication like Forbes, that even though he wrote the article, it was written by him without bias. Your suggestion for writing it in prose is a much better idea. Honestly, I think I need to spend some time reviewing Wikipedia guidelines for writing better articles. I'm going to review the Wikipedia Project Pages for "Contributing to Wikipedia" and "Good articles" today, and then tomorrow I will adjust Jim's page so it's not just a large list of accomplishments, but rather much smaller paragraphs in prose. And I will also delete many of these that are not that notable. I definitely included way too many. Thank you again for your help and guidance.
- Per WP:AGF, I'm inclined to take your word for it. It wasn't the number of sources that caught my attention, but rather the way in which it was presented (a list of accomplishments, rather than prose highlighting some of the accomplishments). The "list of accomplishments" pattern is a common pattern we see with paid editing, where an editor is given a list by the subject. There's no issues with having a lot of high-quality sources. I've removed the COI tag, but the "primary sources" tag is still relevant, as a large share of the sources are the articles that Clash wrote. It may be preferable to highlight some of those accomplishments/articles in prose rather than to enumerate all of them. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Would you mind addressing this question on MERC-C's page? OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:44, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi OhNoitsJamie. Yes of course. I just replied a few minutes ago. Thank you for letting me know.
- I looked at some of the articles you created that were subsequently deleted; it seems a bit implausible that you just stumbled across Mark of the Dog Rose and thought it was notable enough for a Wikipedia article (after also trying to create an article about the film company that produced it); neither seem close to notable. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:48, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi OhNoitsJamie. I recall this was a movie that was part of a film company in my state of Massachusetts. I followed them on social media saw it got added to the IMDB, and I thought that made it credible/notable so I wrote the Wikipedia article. I never met or spoke with them. It was being added to the IMDB that made me decide to write it. I don't remember why it got deleted but I didn't fight it. Do you think it needed more than just IMDB recognition? Do you think it would be okay to add it back again?
- Being on IMDB counts very little toward notability. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:21, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi OhNoitsJamie. I'm not doing too well with Wikipedia right now. I need to re-educate myself more with it. I do admit that I most likely would not have heard of the movie if the company did not appear on local news. I saw it on so many Boston social media channels back when it came out. If you don't mind me asking, is it considered a bias if I write an article about an individual or organization that I initially find out about from local news stations covering it (not national news stations?) Does that make me appear to have geographical bias or some kind of location-based bias Salvatore42 (talk) 21:27, 28 April 2020 (UTC)?
- Being on IMDB counts very little toward notability. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:21, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hi OhNoitsJamie. I recall this was a movie that was part of a film company in my state of Massachusetts. I followed them on social media saw it got added to the IMDB, and I thought that made it credible/notable so I wrote the Wikipedia article. I never met or spoke with them. It was being added to the IMDB that made me decide to write it. I don't remember why it got deleted but I didn't fight it. Do you think it needed more than just IMDB recognition? Do you think it would be okay to add it back again?
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