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This should have the coordinates, height, construction date, etc for most of the TV and radio towers in Mexico. Revent^talk 08:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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List of television stations in Mexico

I was looking through this page to get some insight on a bit of cleanup work I'm preparing to do, and I saw the restructuring that you did back in September. I just wanted to drop by and give you a round of applause; that's an incredibly elegant solution to keeping the country and state pages in sync.

As you may be aware, there was a decision at CfD to listify the North American "Channel x TV stations in country" categories. Canada's done, the U.S. is 60% done, and then I'm planning to work on Mexico next. The fact that this page is perfectly current to the most recent station list from the IFT — and the fact that it has some surrounding context for someone who speaks less than this much Spanish and is trying to understand better the Mexican experience with digital transition — is going to make that effort a whole lot easier.

Once again, congrats — excellent work! Mlaffs (talk) 16:32, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the compliment. User:Revent came up with the concept and I designed the application. The articles had gotten way out of sync with each other and with the national lists.

If you are doing a Mexico list, given the digital transition looming, I suggest we start by doing just RF digital and virtual lists (the analog information is about to not matter anyway). The information on here is current not only to the IFT list but also to a forum I read on television in Mexico—the IFT list doesn't have every single new station signing on. I get physical channels for certain new digital stations from the forum, and if only one of two Televisa stations in a market is in the IFT list, I take the liberty of assuming they have the same ERP (as they often actually do in digital).

Many stations still need digital assignments to show up. That said, major cities are often mostly ready for digital. Also note that as markets move to digital the redirects and pages will have -TV prefixes swapped out for -TDT ones. Raymie (t • c) 17:35, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

That's more or less what I was thinking, although not exactly. For the U.S. channels, there are digital, virtual, and low-power lists, which is the same way the category tree had been divided up. Stations end up on one, two, or all three, depending on what type of station they are. Canada is similar to Mexico, in that not all of the full-power stations had to move on one transition date — just those in specific major markets. As a results, most channels get two lists: Channel x TV stations in Canada and Channel x virtual TV stations in Canada. The former of those is a mix of both the digital and analog stations on a given channel, whereas the latter is strictly the virtual channels for the digital stations. You can see how that plays out at Category:Canadian_TV_stations_by_channel_number.

Complicating both of those is that some channels don't have enough stations to bother with a standalone list — I've used five as a cutoff point. Anything less than that gets listed in the Channel x series of disambiguation pages, with a redirect from how the member of the set would have been named.

So, based on what I've now seen for Mexico, I'd envisioned the same: Channel x TV stations in Mexico, which would be a mix of the digital and analog stations, and Channel x virtual TV stations in Mexico, for just the virtual channels of the digital stations. The difference would be the quirk of Mexico having stations broadcasting in both digital and analog, which could end up on three lists for now — their analog Channel X, their digital Channel X, and their Channel X virtual — and then they'd get removed from the analog Channel X list when they shut down the analog signal.

I can see the case for not listing under the analog channel for the stations that are broadcasting in both. But I don't think we can ignore the ones that are currently analog only completely — at the very least, it'd violate the spirit of the CfD, in that everything that was in a category should end up on a corresponding list (assuming it was categorized properly in the first place).

BTW, there's time to discuss this further, too. Unless someone else beats me to it, it'll probably take me at least a week to finish up the remaining categories for the U.S. channels before I even dig into Mexico. But I can't tell you how happy I am that there are active users with whom to discuss this (or who might even help out!). Mlaffs (talk) 19:19, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I can't claim too much credit for the idea, I had seen a similar thing previously done (though incompletely) with some of the older 'events by decade' articles... it just did indeed seem like an elegant solution to the problem Raymie had noticed. My actual input (other than explaining how to do it) was actually pretty minimal... Raymie put a massive amount of work into those lists. Revent^talk 19:52, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey @Mlaffs:, I want to point out some distinct challenges that I'm going to have with this transition.

• Stations are transitioning in chunks. Mexicali, for instance, goes on March 26. When a television station transitions, its article is moved to -TDT instead of -TV (many redirects and links will need to be changed on the national date of December 31, 2015!).
• New networks. This month Mexico awarded concessions to Cadena Tres and Grupo Radio Centro for two new national television networks, each with 123 digital stations on UHF. This is a staggering increase of 246 stations to a system that has a little over 700 right now. I want to wait to get the concessions so that technical parameters and information can be included in new lists. This also means a large revision to all other TV station templates.
• We don't know everything. Stations are signing on in digital without notice and without their information being officially published. I have to read that forum to get current information. XHSCE-TDT 31 Saltillo (VC 13, Canal Once), for instance, signed on this week. I know it did because someone in Saltillo saw it and even caught it testing. But its technical information is not in the Infraestructura list. This will continue through mid-August and possibly a little beyond!

When things are done, I'd like to see two lists. One would be by RF channel since this is how stations will legally identify in digital (example: "XHCKW-TDT Canal 45 Colima, Colima"). Another would be by virtual channel. Some noncommercial stations have changed the latter to match the former (leading to channel 3 becoming 49, for instance). Virtual channels are (usually) analog channels and I would want to have the virtual list cover analog, which would help since more of those stations will just convert to digital.

One note on repeaters (or, as I call them in my Mexico TV research, shadow channels — this is partly taken from the legal term in Spanish). In analog they can be on different channels from the station they repeat, often on adjacent channels (channel 5 here, 6 there) or sometimes on UHF (2 here, 34 there). In digital, they are almost always on the same RF channel, but their virtual channels do vary (channel 25, same concession, but 7.1 in one area and 19.1 in another), and sometimes their RF channels do too (XHBS-TDT 25 Los Mochis, 30 Cd. Obregón; XHAW-TDT 25 Monterrey, shadow 26 Guadalupe). For a variety of clarity reasons I plan on not having more than one line listing for a television station in the national list once the digital transition is complete. The lists may benefit from selectively choosing the most important shadow channels to include (XHDF-19 Pachuca, XHI-2 Los Mochis, XEQ-8 and XHIMT-45 Toluca, XHCOL-4 Colima, etc.) I can help with that because there are resources available to get some of the information necessary. Raymie (t • c) 07:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Some Mexico clean-up stuff

So, now that I'm all the way through, I'm heading back to tie up the loose ends. I'm seeing a handful of inconsistencies between the information in the state lists (and the national list as a result) and what's in the mid-February IFT file. I don't want to just go in and change them, because there may well be a reason why they're the way they are, so I thought I'd throw them here for your consideration:

• some of the channel assignments on the state pages are the reverse of the IFT file - BCS (XHPBC-TV, XHSIB-TV, XHSIS-TV, and XHSRB-TV), Chiapas (XHDY-TV), Guanajuato (XHOPCE-TV and XHOPLA-TV), Michoacan (XHOPMO-TV and XHCBM-TV), Nuevo Leon (XHOPMT-TV), Oaxaca (XHOPOA-TV), Puebla (XHOPPA-TV), Sonora (XHOPHA-TV), Tamaulipas (XHOPTA-TV), Veracruz (XHOPCA-TV and XHOPXA-TV), and Yucatan (XHOPME-TV)
• in Oaxaca, the IFT list says XHLBA-TV is channel 2, not channel 4
• in Sinaloa, XHMSI-TV in Mazatlan (RF 34/VC 6) looks like it should be XHLSI-TV
• in Sonora, XHBVE-TV in Benjamin Hill (VC 7) looks like it should be XHBNL-TV
• in Zacatecas, XHCPZ-TV in Sombrerete (RF 27/VC 11) is in the IFT file but not in the list

Let me know what you think. Mlaffs (talk) 23:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

You found some errors, and do I thank you for that! Manual entry for the state list series was very difficult and tedious, and many of these were copy and paste. The incorrect calls and missing XHCPZ errors were actually errors, as was the RF/VC mistake in Baja California Sur and Chiapas. However, the RF/VC behavior being reversed is INTENDED for the SPR stations (the ones with OP in their calls, for OPMA, the old name of SPR). Their digital channels use their physical channel numbers even if they have an associated analog station. Example: XHOPHA is analog 35, digital 27. But their digital station is 27.x.

The list does not do well when the RF and VC are unusual, and that was the best compromise to keep the virtual channel intact. It really should be applied to some other stations doing the same thing (XHMNU 35.x analog 53, XHGJG 25.x analog 7, XHTRES 27.x analog 28) but that won't be happening since it is kind of confusing. Some Aztecas are doing this too because their equipment is less than final (Colima comes to mind: 40.2 and 43.1!). Again, this was a sacrifice made to avoid having to put something very temporary into play. Raymie (t • c) 00:05, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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