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About STG's Fan Reaction.

I've been wondering about the Fan Reaction myself. The problem here is that, as it is impossible to prove, it is actually Original Research, which is forbidden in Wikipedia.

But yet, I prefered to let it be because, primaly, it is mostly written in Neutral Point of View, and because this chapter must have had some intention hidden from the authors for the Kigo Fans (Kim/Shego fanshipper), as you said "to point out such an obvious (but impossible to prove) message from the creators of KP".

Still I wonder if the observations made about it are right. I mean, about the paragraph "They are shown to exist on completely different levels of maturity" sounds kinda wrong in my opinion. Even though Shego is older than Kim, they did a lot of things together having similar attitude towards it (like when they where playfully laughing in Bueno Nacho), and I don't know if we should mention "the adult dating world of her older (if romantically inexperienced) reformed arch-nemesis", because it wasn't like Shego looked for a date, she was ASKED for a date and seemed unable to reject it (Way TOO goody-goody, wasn't it?)

I don't know whenever to consider the twist in this chapter as a message from the authors or if it was actually "Kigo Fanservice", but still we should try to avoid just jumping on conclusion.

If you wanna keep up the conversation, reply here, I'll keep a watch on it. See you later. --Alexlayer 01:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for the meaty reply. I appreciate the added perspective. I think you hit on the thing I was grasping at: No Original Research.

Then again, I think anyone with even a base familiarity with the KP universe will agree the subtext is obvious and direct, and the producers of the show have demonstrated with regularity they are very aware of, and responsive to, their fan base. These observations are based on precedent: the Original Research is in the CONCLUSIONS. We should probably simplify these conclusions.

And this message was, as far as I could tell, decidedly anti-kigo. There are some STRONG signifiers buried in the episode. Did you see Shego kiss Kim? Right after Kim gives her a lift to Middleton High, Shego kisses her right on the forehead (tellingly, it's a long shot). Kim's reaction: Horror (she's rubbing her forehead afterward). She immediately calls Wade for brain-scan results. Kim reacts the same way earlier when Shego hugs her ("Thanks for... Everything!"). Ron and Kim react to adult (at least teacher-type adult) displays of affection with disgust. The Barkin/Miss Go relationship is a boundary signifier: It lets the audience see everyone's romantic preferences directly (and as far as I could tell, Miss Go was pretty excited when Barkin asked her out, and looked forward to more dates).

Well, see? This is what I mean. Here you say that the chapter was anti-kigo (and I see your point), but I assure you, Kigo fans have totally LOVED the chapter and many considered it as "a cookie from the author for them", and it's not just because they want. They also have their reasons, interpretation and very good argument. The point is that, considering this, we can't say whenever this chapter was Anti-Kigo or Kigo Fanservice 'cause anyone can see it as they want. So unless we get a confirmation from the authors, it's free to interpretations. --Alexlayer 16:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

In terms of the evidence in the episode, Shego's TRUE feelings towards Kim are unknown, (pure speculation, outside article scope), but Kim's feelings are displayed unambiguously. Maybe that's the direction the section can cut towards.

As as personal aside, I don't care for kigo slash (like all slash, it's inauthentic and generally poorly written) but I have nothing against those who dig it.

Well, in my case, I am a Kigo fan, but I try to keep my personal preferences like this one out of my work in Wikipedia. --Alexlayer 16:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

This is totally irrelevant, but for the sake of cordiality let me clarify my position: If Kigo fans pooled thier money for a recording session of Christy Carlson Romano and Nichole Sullivan talking dirty to each other for 22 minutes, I'd write a check on the spot. Even an animatic of this would be hot. (Hey, the show's over-- Is anyone looking into this?)Sbgdcom 18:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll let this digest for a spell. Thanks again. Sbgdcom 07:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should just demark how Shego and Kim were able to become good friends in the chapter, and that the content is apperently free to interpretations (Specially considering the unfinished line from Shego at the end) --Alexlayer 16:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Ooo! I like! I think I have a handle on it now. If anything, this discussion told me there is a LOT of room for interpretation as to the KP producer's message, and "Fan Reaction" should observe, not take an opinion. I'll redo the section at soonest. Good input, good discussion all down the line, A. Booya.Sbgdcom 17:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Stop Team Go

Not a problem. I've been monitoring my watchlist more closely than usual the last few days, and while I may sometimes let questionable stuff go, when someone's being THAT much of a twit, I'm not gonna just let it pass with a revert; some people just need a good clue-by-four upside the head before they catch on.  ;-) Rdfox 76 12:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Rdfox 76 send you that message, but he accidently posted it in your User Pager insteand of your User Talk Page, where it should go. --Alexlayer 15:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Gaah! One of these days, I'll catch that mistake BEFORE hitting "Save"... Rdfox 76 16:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Shego GAR

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