User talk:SinisterUnion

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Giant Snowman 20:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate it @GiantSnowman, thank you very much for the welcome.

I'm focused on improve Wikipedia articles, content, etc., especially about football.

Help request about 2025 FIFA Club World Cup

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Actually, while browsing through some Wikipedia articles with the aim of helping to improve them, I came across an article (2025 FIFA Club World Cup) that is not in accordance with FIFA. There was already a debate about the issue on the article's talk page, but new facts have emerged in recent months that have practically ended the debate, as I have argued extensively there (Talk:2025 FIFA Club World Cup#c-SinisterUnion-20240829180800-Danoniinho-20240319115200), but without any response. In addition, I tried to discuss the issue on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football, but without success, as only 1 person spoke out. I would like to know what procedure I should adopt, since an important article is clearly in disagreement with the highest football authority. I saw there was an edit war before in relation to the topic, so I don't want to just go there and edit to correct it, but also such important article cannot stay wrong. SinisterUnion (talk) 21:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the thing about trying to gain consensus. Sometimes you have to make the change you are proposing before other editors actually speak out about their opposing views. If that's what it takes to get a discussion going, that's still normal Wikipedia behavior. If there's opposition, you and the opposer(s) need to discuss. Sometimes it takes a while. But if nobody opposes your changes, you are done, right? — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, thank you very much @Jmcgnh. SinisterUnion (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm an old Wikipedia user, but never created an account before. In July I decided create an account and more recently I decided to engage myself trying help Wikipedia getting better, help update and improve articles, mainly on sports topics.

Unfortunately, in this attempt to make improvements to sports articles, I came across a situation where an important article, 2025 FIFA Club World Cup is outdated (not to say wrong) and in total disagreement with the highest football authority, FIFA, as well as with important non-primary sources.[1] However, only a couple of users engaged in the debate and we can see that the arguments, unfortunately, are in the sense of avoiding work, such as "...wait for a while. I'll bet that FIFA says something different when the 2024 Copa Libertadores is completed...", doing futurology exercises to avoid making a change (which yes, will require work) that is necessary to adapt/update the article to make it correct.

I don't want to take up too much time from anyone reading this, asking you to read all discussion there, but this reply here explains almost everything: [2]

So, basically we already have the football governing body saying 2025 will be the 1st edition of a new tournament and very important non-primary sources, but a couple of users who are not open to making changes to adapt the article to reality (laziness from what I see in the comments), avoiding the aforementioned correction to be made and this important article keeps incorrect and out of date.

My question is, how to procede in this situation: edit and correct the article according to the international governing body of association football and a lot of important non-primary sources, or wait consensus of 2 people that are preventing the article from being accurately updated and corrected?

Thank you very much for your time, appreciate it. SinisterUnion (talk) 17:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]