User talk:Spicy/Archive 8
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Hey
Just wanted to say thank you, for all the work you do at SPI. Drmies (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. At the rate I'm going, I should have the backlog cleared by 2027. Spicy (talk) 17:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Optimistic, aren't you? Personally, I think we need tighter clerking. First, when filers request a CU, they should give a reason why. If they don't, and it's not obvious to the clerk why a CU was requested, it should be declined. AFAICT, currently, CU requests are only declined if it involves IPs or the named accounts are stale. (As a non-clerk, I am not permitted to decline CUs.) This would reduce the CU backlog. As for the open requests, I routinely close them because they are easy to dispose of; yet, many sit there, seemingly interminably. Surely, those where the the only alleged socks are IPs and the IPs haven't edited recently are easy to close for that reason. Finally, my pet peeve: the threshold for what constitutes a backlog (I think it's 50) is way too low. Except for maybe once every few years, we don't get below 50. Let's make it a realistic number. End of mini-tirade.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:15, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- I used to be more aggressive about declining CU requests but when the button is there, it's easy enough just to click it, assuming the request is within policy and justifiable. There's not really a great reason to run CU on most cases, but there's not a great reason to decline it either, and sometimes you catch a few sleepers that you wouldn't have otherwise. It would help if there were more non-CUs active at SPI. I've tried to recruit a few clerks, but the people I spoke to weren't interested to begin with or lost interest quickly. I don't know why, because it's obviously a very fulfilling part of the project to work in with zero downsides.I've wondered before if the ability to request CU should be limited to admins and clerks, but I doubt that would make a big difference. I think the main issue that leads to a backlog at SPI is that most filings clearly have some merit, but most filers aren't great at presenting the evidence in a way that makes others confident enough to block the account or run a check. So filings tend to linger until someone can convince themselves that it is actionable. Usually this requires a careful look at behaviour and I find that being a CU complicates this, because if I get a useless CU result and then decide to block based on behaviour it feels like I'm playing judge, jury and executioner. Personally, I'm holding out for Neuralink implants to become commercially available so that filers can transmit what they're seeing directly to my brain. Spicy (talk) 21:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Optimistic, aren't you? Personally, I think we need tighter clerking. First, when filers request a CU, they should give a reason why. If they don't, and it's not obvious to the clerk why a CU was requested, it should be declined. AFAICT, currently, CU requests are only declined if it involves IPs or the named accounts are stale. (As a non-clerk, I am not permitted to decline CUs.) This would reduce the CU backlog. As for the open requests, I routinely close them because they are easy to dispose of; yet, many sit there, seemingly interminably. Surely, those where the the only alleged socks are IPs and the IPs haven't edited recently are easy to close for that reason. Finally, my pet peeve: the threshold for what constitutes a backlog (I think it's 50) is way too low. Except for maybe once every few years, we don't get below 50. Let's make it a realistic number. End of mini-tirade.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:15, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Bodiadub sockpuppet at it again
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bodiadub
Hi. Thanks for quickly taking care of the last sockpuppet for this account. Unfortunately this guy has got so many of them so he's using another one to target me as revenge for getting some of them banned. I have opened up another SPI. I know either you or one of the other checkers will get to it soon as part of the backlog but just thought I would let you know. - Imcdc Contact 12:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Sockpuppet
Hello! Saw you at the most recent case for Rgalo10 - it appears that this user (see Special:Diff/1209929810) is a puppet. Would it be appropriate to run a sleeper check, as he's gaming autoconfirmed here? Thanks, wasn't sure if I should open a new case with only one puppet. Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 05:52, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Oh brother. See Special:Diff/1209931163. Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 05:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the quick block, here's to hoping he's never on my talk page again. 🥂 Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 05:58, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Need action
Listed for nearly a month, can you issue the block for the suspected sock at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Oriental Aristocrat? Apparently you edited the SPI before. Thanks. Capitals00 (talk) 13:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
I've reblocked one IP and one IP range, but I've been reluctant to block GANI7199. Sometimes they agree with the IPs, but sometimes they revert them. I know you can't look at the IPs, but the master is not stale, and there's also Auritroww22e whom Yamblanter has indeffed but for some reason not blocked GANI7199, even though it's obvious he thinks they're socks of each other. Perhaps you could have a look?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:12, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- GANI7199 and Auritroww22e are
Confirmed to COLTashrif1499. Spicy (talk) 23:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, is it okay for me to tag?--Bbb23 (talk) 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Of course. Spicy (talk) 23:47, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- GANI7199 and Auritroww22e are
Before I blocked the user for vandalism, I looked through all of their contributions to find out who the master, or at least an earlier account, was. I even looked at their IPs' edits and failed there, too. Some of the pages created are so distinctive I recognized the weirdness of them but of course couldn't remember earlier accounts. So, what can you tell me? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing too interesting. They're confirmed to User:IDYTAReturn29121, User:28062fo33eof457dc93eefaabbet2c3 User 1, User:User 28062F033EOF457DC93EEFAABBET2C3 and User:28062FO33EOF457DC93EEFAABBET2C3 User. I doubt any of those were the first account but that's what I have. Spicy (talk) 16:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I assume it's IDYTAReturn29121 that I was thinking of as I was the blocking admin on that one. I particularly dislike usernames that incorporate IP addresses in them - very misleading. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets
Hey there. You helped out in two sockpuppet cases at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kyle.sivvenxo/Archive and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Thecheeseistalking99/Archive. I have been watching over the character lists and two users have continued to splitting characters from lists. These are: Corrie fan1245 and Geb2355 - I wondered if you could take a look? I am unsure which account they belong too but it is too convenient as this behaviour only began towards the latter part of 2023. I noticed Corrie fan1245 was created in November 2003 but behaved like a sleeper account until January 2024 when all the other socks were blocked. It was in January Geb2355 ramped up the continuation of splitting off characters from list entries. There is also Geb1235 doing the same. Rain the 1 17:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Raintheone, these are
Confirmed to each other:
- Corrie fan1245 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Geb2355 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Geb2356 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Geb1235 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- And technically
Possible to both cases - the two sockfarms are difficult to tell apart using CU data. However, I think these accounts are probably Trinitydevine as they always use the mobile web editor while Cheese doesn't. Spicy (talk) 20:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for promptly solving this. That was my issue - I find it difficult to figure out which group of socks they belong too, since both do the same tricks.Rain the 1 00:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I think this user might be part of that group too. Account was created on the 4th using a similar username. There's also User:James sphie, who performed this edit to a list [1], followed by User:Corrie fan1245 using that same info here. - JuneGloom07 Talk 01:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Corriefan45 is
Confirmed to the above group. James sphie didn't show up in my check, and I'm not comfortable checking that account directly. Edits like this [2] seem too unsophisticated to be the work of the sockpuppeteer. Spicy (talk) 11:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Corriefan45 is
- Hi, I think this user might be part of that group too. Account was created on the 4th using a similar username. There's also User:James sphie, who performed this edit to a list [1], followed by User:Corrie fan1245 using that same info here. - JuneGloom07 Talk 01:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for promptly solving this. That was my issue - I find it difficult to figure out which group of socks they belong too, since both do the same tricks.Rain the 1 00:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Please take a look
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chilmy23
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Chusada25&redlink=1 Loptač01 (talk) 03:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASuper_Hylos&redlink=1 Loptač01 (talk) 23:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Okip in a CU block range
Could you look at this range [3] for which you placed a CU block? Okip has been working from that range recently, and we might need to make it, or a smaller range, a full block. Acroterion (talk) 18:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- No comment on who may or may not be operating from that range, but I've hardened the block temporarily due to the recent IP disruption. The copypasta stuff is coming from all over the range so a smaller rangeblock won't be possible unfortunately. Spicy (talk) 09:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Spicy. I came here to ask you about this range, and found the above message. As far as I can see, there's a total anon-only block on the range, and yet IP edits continue to be made. What have I misunderstood? JBW (talk) 22:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)- Silly me. I just misread the date on the block, that's all. JBW (talk) 22:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Ring a bell?
BlueberryIntoTheWild created their account 5 days ago and has already racked up 590 edits. They are obviously (to me) not a new user. They began by doing a bunch of "newcomer tasks" using an "experienced" edit summary of "ce". Then began their obsessession with adding uncategorized maintenance templates to articles. Occasionally, they interspersed "regular" edits, again displaying an impressive knowledge of Wikipedia terminology in their edit summaries, e.g., "Fixed pipe to colon with magic word" and "Edits to help remove WP:PEA". Then began (we're now at March 11) fixing wikilinks to disambig pages with the edit summary "Removed disambiguation". They then continued adding uncategorized templates to pages but now graduating to the use of {{Uncategorized}}
in their edit summary. They then began installing scripts apparently to automate some of their work. Next (now March 12) was disabling cats in drafts using a script. Always continuing their uncategorized template business. By March 13 they were using AutoEd. By March 14 automated counter-vandalism.
Another thing that stands out, even before the use of automated tools, is the rapidity of their edits, enough to trip the edit filter many times.
I reviewed many of their edits trying to find a connection to an earlier account but failed. Yesterday, I left a message on their Talk page asking them about other accounts, but although they've edited since, they haven't responded.
Finally, I've seen no evidence of obvious disruption, so at least to date, if they are a sock, they're a good hand version. It's your call if this is enough to warrant a check. Either way, thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Bbb23, as you suspected, it's not their first account; they're confirmed to two others, but the account use is sequential and neither is blocked or otherwise sanctioned. There's also what looks like IP editing from them (hard to be sure) that goes back a long while. I don't think there is any violation of policy here, but it's odd, especially considering the other accounts were only used for a day or two. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Spicy (talk) 20:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Spicy.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
You have brought joy into the heart of an old man.
" blocked Francisco Hirthe " -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Spicy, I want to follow up on your comments outside of the SPI. Both of your comments were posted at almost the exact same time of day, which is just about when I'm at my most tired, making it harder for me to understand what you're saying AND harder to express what about your comments is confusing to me.
This sockmaster is known to compromise accounts
. I have no idea what that means. Normally, accounts are compromised when the account owner permits, either intentionally or unintentionally, another person to access the account, e.g., shares their password with someone or leaves their computer on at home logged in. Are you saying that with TF, the master often shares their password with someone else? I looked at the link to the UTRS appeal, which I had to machine translate, and Iamjosemom appears to be saying that someone hacked their account. What makes that sound "sincere"? Why do we care? Are you saying that Iamjosemom is not a sock in the first instance?
I'm going to stop here because otherwise I will spend too much time with "what if"s. Too bad I don't use IRC or we could have a more efficient chat. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've been working night shifts - hopefully this reply is early enough. I'm a bit confused about what is confusing about my comments but I will try to clarify things. My belief that many of the accounts in that SPI are compromised is based on several factors:
- Many accounts have a lengthy editing history on unrelated subjects before suddenly switching to the sockmaster's topic area. This is typical of compromised accounts - few sockmasters are dedicated enough to "groom" their accounts for years on end.
- The switch in editing interests corresponds with a distinct change in the CU data.
- In some instances you can actually see the operator failing to log in to a number of other accounts via CU (suspected compromise attempts).
- I don't believe that these users are knowingly sharing their password or having their little brother sneak on to their computer. Most likely the operator is compromising a large number of unrelated accounts through credential stuffing. My reading of the events is this:
- The original operator, let's call them "Bob", creates an account and edits uneventfully for a few years.
- The sockmaster, let's call them "Alice", compromises Bob's account.
- Bob's account is CU confirmed to other accounts operated by Alice, and is (correctly) blocked and locked.
- Bob creates a new account that Alice doesn't have access to.
- So I think it is fair to treat Bob's compromised account (i.e. Iamjosemom) as a sockpuppet, but I would not consider Bob's new account (Iamjosemon) to be a sock. Wikipedia:Compromised_accounts#After_being_compromised suggests that creating a new account is a valid approach to dealing with an account compromise. People are more commonly instructed to email Trust & Safety and this might be a better approach since it could be a problem if the new account is using the same email and/or password. But I wouldn't have blocked Iamjosemon if I had gotten to the filing first. Spicy (talk) 22:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking so much time to explain. I'd never heard of credential stuffing (do they serve that at Thanksgiving?). So the master knows how to pick vulnerable accounts to compromise? Or is there an easy way to search for such accounts if you know what you're doing? Does this mean that in the future it'd be better (for me, at least) to let a CU review any socking reports for this master, or is there an easy way I can do it behaviorally (there's plenty of other SPIs I can tackle without making my life too taxing)?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- The sockpuppets/compromised accounts are fairly easy to identify behaviourally because they are used for anti-Qatar POV editing. Paying close attention to the POV is important because there are a few other sockfarms who edit from the opposite POV. Re. compromising accounts, it's easier than one might think and I'm aware of a few sockmasters who do it regularly. Spicy (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking so much time to explain. I'd never heard of credential stuffing (do they serve that at Thanksgiving?). So the master knows how to pick vulnerable accounts to compromise? Or is there an easy way to search for such accounts if you know what you're doing? Does this mean that in the future it'd be better (for me, at least) to let a CU review any socking reports for this master, or is there an easy way I can do it behaviorally (there's plenty of other SPIs I can tackle without making my life too taxing)?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Enya sock follow up
Following Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hzpjxewy/Archive, it looks like the sockmaster has moved on to IP editing ([4], [5]). The IPs seem somewhat dynamic and haven't concentrated on either affected page, so I'm uncertain as to whether a block, p-block, or page protection is most appropriate here, and whether there should be any change to the master's block given the communication/competence aspect of this. signed, Rosguill talk 14:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
This new User made the same edit as this sock you blocked 5 days ago. Can you check if it's a sock too? Thanks Nobody (talk) 08:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure that one showed up in my check but I usually don't bother to list or tag accounts that are already blocked (particularly if their username is a BLP violation). Spicy (talk) 09:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Actually it couldn't have been that one, must have been another one with a similar name. But you don't need CU to tell you that this is a sock. Spicy (talk) 09:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I assumed they were going to be blocked for the name, but since I saw that all the sock were globally locked (which one might miss at UAA), I decided to ask you, in case this one needs to be too. Nobody (talk) 09:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- The account hasn't edited other wikis, so I personaly wouldn't bother at this point. But if you want to, you can request a lock at m:SRG. Spicy (talk) 01:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I assumed they were going to be blocked for the name, but since I saw that all the sock were globally locked (which one might miss at UAA), I decided to ask you, in case this one needs to be too. Nobody (talk) 09:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Actually it couldn't have been that one, must have been another one with a similar name. But you don't need CU to tell you that this is a sock. Spicy (talk) 09:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Hzpjxewy
Ji. You blocked Hzpjxewy, an editor who is focused on Enya related articles, for sockpuppetry at 16:07, 22 March 2024. 46.3.80.6 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) started editing Enya related articles at 06:06, 23 March 2024. The timing looks rather suspicious. What do you think? -- Whpq (talk) 15:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- *whistles from two sections up* signed, Rosguill talk 15:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ahhh.... missed that. -- Whpq (talk) 16:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've blocked the IP based on behaviour and reblocked the master account indefinitely. You'd think an Enya fan would be more chill. Spicy (talk) 01:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking care of it. "Fan" is a shortening of fanatic. -- Whpq (talk) 02:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've blocked the IP based on behaviour and reblocked the master account indefinitely. You'd think an Enya fan would be more chill. Spicy (talk) 01:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ahhh.... missed that. -- Whpq (talk) 16:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
GermanKity
Hi Spicy. Is there anything the magic 8-ball can tell me about Macbeejack vis-à-vis Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/GermanKity/Archive? I was about to block on my own given [6] and [7] (among other things), and I probably still will, but since Macbeejack is an AfC reviewer who wants to be a new page reviewer, I figured due diligence meant asking if the CU data had anything useful to say. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Extraordinary Writ, they are using a range previously used by socks of GermanKity, but it is an extremely wide and busy range. Use behaviour. Spicy (talk) 21:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Case merging request
Greetings Spicy, I write to you because I've seen that you handle the merging of archives for SPI cases. The story goes like this: back in december I opened a SPI [8] that became fairly extense and on it I found out direct evidence (mostly usernames and editing behavior) that two sockpuppeters: Ghumen[9] and HipHopVisionary[10] are actually the same person (the bulk of the evidence can be found on this diff [11]), what do you think? could they be merged? I personally find it very convincing and I think to merge both cases would make future SPI's on this editor (who is in my opinion one of the most nocive and persistent vandals there's been on Wikipedia) smoothier and faster. Pob3qu3 (talk) 00:13, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Pob3qu3, that's going to be a complex merge. I'd recommend posting on WT:SPI/C because I can't guarantee that I will have the time to do it in the near future. Spicy (talk) 01:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply Spicy, I'll keep it on mind. Pob3qu3 (talk) 01:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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You've taken to CUing like a duck to water. Much appreciated.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
Sock "over-the-horizon radar"?
- RE: Block log Spicy talk contribs blocked Putorana talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (: User:Faster328) Tag: Twinkle
This is not the first time a new account pops up and starts making random edits in pages on my watchlist, only to be blocked as a sock. I am wondering, are there basic hints to identify a possible approaching sock prior to them jumping into something abusive? I didnt notice anything in this respect in WP:SOSP. - Altenmann >talk 20:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- You can't see it because it's been deleted, but what tipped me off in this case was that they had references to sockpuppet investigations on their userpage - odd thing for a brand new user to do. Spicy (talk) 20:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks for you work on the SPI backlog McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 15:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
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What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reachMach61 19:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Thanks for working on SPI backlog :) Harvici (talk) 05:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC) |
A Late Thank You
I just now realized I didn't say thank you for doing the unblock for me. I really appreciate your diligence on the matter. Thank you very much and I hope you are having a great Easter with friends and family if you can.
- John Vandevert JohnDVandevert (talk) 07:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Sockpuppet Investigation?
Greetings. I am messaging you with a query. I opened an SPI case a while back here [12] and after being checked by a checkuser, a closer behavior investigation seems to be needed. I was thinking you might be authorized to make that judgement? I tried to provide a lot of diffs and information. Was curious if you would perhaps be down to check the case if you have free time? --Creffel (talk) 07:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Belyny/Englwik
Hello, Wikidata:Requests for checkuser/Case/Datacheck5 and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Belyny are the same, so I think they should be merged. Arx76 (talk) 21:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Er, I can't merge a page on a different wiki. Spicy (talk) 22:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Archiving
Hi Spicy.
Hope you are dong well. I see that an SPI [13] was archived by you on March 9, 2024 [14]. But an admin, Bbb23, wanted it moved and archived to the correct editor - Æo here [15], not Phoenixhill. See Bbb23's comments [16] with the moving request and link. It was not meant for Phoenixhill. I did not know a new case was made with Æo as the master. Ramos1990 (talk) 01:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's a fair characterization of what occurred, but, regardless, see also Drmies's comments re Ramos1990.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Bbb23's comments on the SPI and don't think it is worth expending any more effort on. Spicy (talk) 08:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MeraAwaaz
Am I doing this right? The IP was obvious and I've applied a block and closed the report. Thanks. -- Whpq (talk) 14:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, looks good to me. Spicy (talk) 20:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Sockpuppet @Dinkar 108 is back with another sockpuppet
Hey @Spicy, You need to look into Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dinkar 108. This user @Dinkar 108 is back with another sockpuppet @Prominister and making same disruptive edits with same pattern. He is also making Minor edits on different pages to fool Wikipedia CheckUsers and sockpuppet investigators. Please look into this and check his disruptive edits on pages like Kannauj , Paliwal where he removed authentic sources under context of WP:RAJ to fool admins when none of the sources removed from those articles are from british civil servants. Brahaspatya (talk) 13:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I reverted all the edits made to the SPI because they should not have been filed in that case. I also think that Brahaspatya is unlikely to be a new user.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Brahaspatya has been globally locked for cross-wiki abuse by EPIC. I don't know if there's an earlier master. Then popped up Hemu Gupta who popped up and filed a report at the "correct" SPI (I had just told Brahaspatya to do so on their Talk page). I've blocked and tagged the new account. Probably should be globally locked as well, assuming I'm correct.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Brahaspatya = Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Anantam tripathi and is also NobitaNobisuk and Hemu Gupta. These two groups have some kind of sock rivalry going on. Spicy (talk) 20:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NobitaNobisuk, which I just edited because of your comment. What about Donald567? Are they part of the Dinkar 108 "group"? --Bbb23 (talk) 20:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they're Dinkar 108 aka Doremon9087, along with Reginald34 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) and Mohanmeakinsenjoyer (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki). This website is exhausting. I'm going to go cook dinner and go back to playing Zoo Tycoon (2001 video game). Spicy (talk) 21:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Why? Don't you want to age another 20 years? Hey, I started aging more rapidly as soon as I became an admin, and when my CU privileges were yanked, I aged at least 50 years. By my calculations, I must be around 162 years old, all thanks to "this website". Bon appetit! --Bbb23 (talk) 21:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi! I know you said 93asif (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was only a weak possible. They're continuing to edit disruptively on the pageants without actually improving the articles. Any objection to my blocking on those grounds since the technical sock evidence isn't sufficient? Thanks either way! cc @DoubleGrazing Star Mississippi 13:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- No obje... oh, you weren't asking me. :) Carry on. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- LOL. I do not understand this fascination with pageants. Between that and fake Nick Jr. shows I wish we had a "Stop the horseshit" block option. Star Mississippi 14:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to block them for disruption, go ahead. I'm skeptical that they're a sock though. There are a lot of these beauty pageant editors and in regional topics like these it can be unwise to treat geolocation as an independent variable. Spicy (talk) 20:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, and for sorting the SPI. I'll keep an eye on their edits but hope they've seen the light. Star Mississippi 01:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to block them for disruption, go ahead. I'm skeptical that they're a sock though. There are a lot of these beauty pageant editors and in regional topics like these it can be unwise to treat geolocation as an independent variable. Spicy (talk) 20:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- LOL. I do not understand this fascination with pageants. Between that and fake Nick Jr. shows I wish we had a "Stop the horseshit" block option. Star Mississippi 14:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Koov returns
Danelenko-Camacho is the new account. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Blocked and tagged.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
TylerKutschbach?
Hi Spicy, I'm having a dickens of a time with User:2600:1009:B051:2251:3167:133E:DBFF:EDD5 and User:2600:1009:B056:AE9:C0D0:7E2A:82B5:66C6. By coincidence, the IPs at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TylerKutschbach/Archive were also from Ohio, making the same edits from Dave Leip's Atlas. Hey, thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 10:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not that familiar with that sockmaster. Please file a report at WP:SPI. Spicy (talk) 12:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- You made multiple edits to the socks, and blocked them this past January. That's why I contacted you. Ok, I'll file a report. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Second set of eyes
You had a concern about a user during an SPI back in May 2023. They have popped back up with votes in deletion discussions. I have not dug too much as I wanted to reach out to you first and see if there is anything that jumps out related to this and the previous SPI. CNMall41 (talk) 22:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
SPI
Hello Spicy, could you take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lazy-restless? I think they are back. I would have requested an SPI on Bangla wiki but they got clever and didn't visited there, so no SUL account there.
(courtesy ping to @Bbb23 and Ad Orientem: as they previously dealt with this SPI)
Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 17:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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YiTuanWu
Hmmm, I'm fairly sure that YiTuanWu compromised Grandma Bob's account, also. First YiTuanWu tries this edit to Grandma Bob's UP and then the Grandma Bob account does this (note where "natural causes" links). Either that or they're same person. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I already ran a check - I think it's two people who know each other, although there could be other possibilities. Either way the autoblock will slap them on the wrist. Spicy (talk) 23:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Which?
Continuing the confusion (at least mine) about pairing up an account with the right master, could you please look at Siddharaja? After reviewing their edits, they appear to be restoring edits of different masters, so as soon as I think I have it nailed, I see a contradiction. I'm aware of this new account because of a ping to User talk:Siddharaja#Username. While reviewing the edits, I also noticed Wannabe Professor, an even newer account who intersected on Bhava Brihaspati, the article Siddharaja created. Wannabe added a picture to the article uploaded by Siddharaja.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't even realize you blocked the accounts until just now. You didn't reply (sulking).--Bbb23 (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- I thought you requested discreet delivery. Spicy (talk) 01:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean by "discreet delivery". Sounds vaguely like I'm ordering something illegal, or at least embarrassing. In any event, what made you think that?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Socks can be embarrassing, especially if they're worn with sandals. Just a poor attempt at humour, don't mind me. Spicy (talk) 00:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean by "discreet delivery". Sounds vaguely like I'm ordering something illegal, or at least embarrassing. In any event, what made you think that?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- I thought you requested discreet delivery. Spicy (talk) 01:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks
It's getting real tedious. Drmies (talk) 17:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't mind if Arturo posts here but yes, please leave the good doctor alone, thanks. Spicy (talk) 18:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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Alvin1783
I recently came across this account Alvin1783, he clearly is not a legitimate new user, evident through the articles he has created. His articles are identical to another SPA's articles-[17]. They are worded, designed, sourced exactly the same way, they have the same average article length, same images, same grammatical style, same POV, same content demarcation, and both accounts used Article Wizard to create their articles. Alvin1783 is a duck quacking into a megaphone. He is also active on a page that was targeted by HaughtonBrit in the past; both pushing the same POV on the page. Would it be possible to run a check on him? Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 17:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Sockpuppet continues
Hi Spicy, last month you banned The Penfield Homunculus for sockpuppetry. Looking at the edit history of the FC Barcelona article, this user has continued under the name "Pròssia". Both leave similar edit summaries, edit Barcelona-related articles, and copy information from other (low-quality) articles into the FC Barcelona article. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 08:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yep. Spicy (talk) 11:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Sligati
I was just posting a message to Ponyo asking her who the master was when I noticed you'd already dealt with it. One other thing I was going to ask her but will ask you instead: is there any easy way for me to figure out the master behaviorally?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- You tagged two minutes after my block. Are you really that fast, or were you already looking at it before I blocked?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably not. I checked because I thought it might be a sock of Denosio, and it wasn't; I wouldn't have figured out who it really was without the magic goggles. There are a number of topic areas that attract a lot of socking as well as a lot of unrelated users with similar behaviour and interests. These include hurricanes, Indian movies, beauty pageants, and RuPaul's Drag Race. I wouldn't have thought visa policies would be one of these topics but here we are. I saw the block on the SPI IRC feed, which logs all sock blocks, and thought it was worth a check. Spicy (talk) 23:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Cleo Cooper
Hello, Spicy,
Can you tell me anything about this account? They registered this account years and years ago and then suddenly became active and became a regular patroller who I ran into on a daily basis. You say the account is "compromised" but are they a sockpuppet? They seemed to know their way around the project, nominating articles for AFD discussions and tagging pages appropriately for speedy deletion. Thanks for any information you can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 04:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- I guess they must have bought that account somewhere! Can Bjorn Gulden, Nick White (comedian),
Sarah Riggsand Lee O'Denat be draftified, if there is no master? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC) - What's certain is that it's compromised. It's probably connected to the accounts mentioned here. Spicy (talk) 13:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Spicy,
- I'm echoing Liz's question. Why were they marked as a sock but the block notes stated "compromised"? Was it a mistake? Please clarify. Thanks --- thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- They were not "marked as a sock". Spicy (talk) 14:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Spicy: Can you please take a look at this? Blablubbs seems to be away. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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Block evasion by 14 novembre
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Query
Hello, Spicy,
I hope you can help me out with a curious new editor, User:Master5Depoui. They were only an editor for a few minutes before they rushed in and started closing AFD discussions, tagging pages for deletion and even adding appropriate tags to the nominated article talk page. I can't for the life of me figure out who they are but no new editor runs to AFD and closes discussions after 5 minutes. I've given a 31 hour block for disruptive editing but maybe you can identify them. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 04:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like User:Minds5mater did this exact same behavior yesterday. I'll file an SPI. Liz Read! Talk! 04:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I found a third one. Listed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Minds5mater. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 04:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Spicy,
It seems you blocked this sock but didn't revoke TPA or email? I thought this was standard practice? Please let me know if this was intentional. — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- That would be pointless since the account is globally locked. Spicy (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, okay, understood. — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
OK...
If you think that keeping this empty attempt by a promo-account is beneficial for the enwiki... I just wanted to help with tagging it. — Draceane talkcontributions 15:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Draceane, A3 doesn't apply to draft or user space. Please review A3, and please only understand that it applies to articles, not drafts or user space (in addition, G1 wouldn't apply either, as this is the article wizard posting an outline). — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- There's a lot of random junk in userspace. Most of it is not worth worrying about. Spicy (talk) 09:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Question
Hi Spicy, I have been digging into WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Daniel Martin77 and have found a couple or so more socks related to Group 2, which you id'd as being part of WP:Sockpuppet investigations/TheCaseOfGoliath. Based on my analysis, I agree Group 2 is definitely TheCaseOfGoliath (not sure about Group 1, though). I am assuming any new filings should be filed under the latter SPI, is that correct? S0091 (talk) 17:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yi Sun (academic)/User:Suny8616, who paid this group/person to create an article about them which was subsequently G5 deleted (log), has sent an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org with information and email correspondence. After it was deleted, they reached out to @Kuru trying to get the article restored which I saw so reached out to them. You can see our discussion on their talk page. According them, they were solicited. They ended up creating a draft themselves which was accepted via AfC. S0091 (talk) 15:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- S0091, you can file it under either case. The clerks (or more likely me) will figure it out at some point. Spicy (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I am a little confused what to file? If it is to file a case against this group/person who created my Wiki page with paid service, how? Suny8616 (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Suny8616 Apologies for the confusion. There's nothing you need to do. S0091 (talk) 14:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I filed it under TheCaseOfGoliath and also sent an email to the paid queue. Please know I have no expectation of you handling it. It's in the pile like the rest and someone will pick it up at some point. S0091 (talk) 18:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I am a little confused what to file? If it is to file a case against this group/person who created my Wiki page with paid service, how? Suny8616 (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Guapmachine6
Sigh. What a waste of my time, I'm too trusting. I've nuked their drafts but except for one article, I've left their edits alone. Doug Weller talk 13:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Raxythecat?
Gomez Buck. What do you think? Some other LTA?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've blocked the user as NOTHERE, partly based on our "conversation" on their Talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- On a proxy. Could be Raxy. World's Lamest Critic would be my other guess. I do think the LTA has a point though. Spicy (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe but not their point to make. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like the other user has now been blocked. Who could have seen that coming. Spicy (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not me, that's for sure, and not an ArbCom block. I'm assuming there's something more to it than just their userpage, but we'll probably never find out.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Annoying IP
Hi, IP 2409:4085:1083:4538:8DF7:DF55:C586:1955 keeps making (I think) useless edits to Metacritic. They are triggering the filters on Recent Changes leading to a lot of wasted volunteer efforts, despite multiple warnings (which they have all removed also) as you can see in their edit history. Can you consider a block? Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 23:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, not edit history, user contribs. GoldRomean (talk) 23:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the block :D. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 23:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks!
Hey Spicy, Thanks for the looking into the the report I made on the user Robter01. Glad you could place an indefinite ban on the user for Spam / advertising and WP:UPE! I’m excited to contribute to making Wikipedia even better! 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 17:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Wrong way of reporting sock
I was trying to report a sock but reported it incorrectly. When I was TW do I need to click Sockpuppeteer (WP:SPI)? Then do I put for the user of the OG name sock than the suspected sock? Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 20:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
LTA
FYI Gulnora Van Hautum is (almost certainly) an LTA. Can't find the exact page, but I've seen users like those who just starts reverting and giving uw4s. :D Cheers, Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 21:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Ban evasion
Hi, the person behind Special:contributions/2404:3100:1800::/40(which you recently blocked for socking) is evading their block by editing from a different range [18].Ratnahastin (talk) 10:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
June 2024
Hi, FYI regarding Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Isuzu.tf/Archive#29 May 2024, this user's edits (Cappuccini Fiorentini) have appeared on my watchilst and the editing pattern looks similar. Cheers — Gor1995 𝄞 16:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Tricky tagging
So I want to tag Encyclopédisme as a suspected sock of Reman Empire, but also as a confirmed master (I assume you saw the accounts when you ran your check as well). What's the easiest way to do this?-- Ponyobons mots 22:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I dumped it all into Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Reman Empire.-- Ponyobons mots 22:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- You can do this with SPIhelper, although the interface isn't intuitive and you have to tag the master manually. I've tagged the accounts. Spicy (talk) 22:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- My inclination was to go with two separate tags but thought I may be overlooking one of the tags that cover multiple masters/suspects. Is there a tag for "good riddance to bad rubbish"? Because I would plaster that one all over those accounts. -- Ponyobons mots 22:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Good hand sock?
Harpick was created on June 16 and has made 255 edits since. First things they did were to create a userpage and a Talk page. Then they launched into countervandalism. They set up autoarchiving on their Talk page on June 24. I don't remember how I found them, but on June 27 I asked them about other accounts. We had this disjointed conversation where they repeatedly evaded the question. Please see the latest discussion on their Talk page. They still refuse to answer my question, and I'm afraid I got rather sarcastic. Either the sarcasm sailed right over their head, or they intentionally refused to return like with like. If the latter is the case, good for them - not a good idea to piss off an administrator, even if he deserves it. :-) After our last conversation on the 27th I wasn't going to ask for a check, but I have their Talk page on my watchlist, and their response to GoldRomean felt like deja vu, so here I am.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Surprise. They're a sock. Spicy (talk) 22:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm shocked. I'm also curious. Did you have any inkling who they were before you ran the check?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not really, the antivandalism socks are hard to tell apart from each other. Spicy (talk) 22:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm shocked. I'm also curious. Did you have any inkling who they were before you ran the check?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)