User talk:SportsLair

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Thanks

Thanks for notifying the IP. I should have thought to do that, having just been complaining about a lack of notification of a mention of me at WP:AN/I. Sheesh. General Ization ^Talk 22:36, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Anytime. The IP would feel sorry for its wrongdoings. But it is what it is. SportsLair (talk) 22:39, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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Warning

You are walking on very thin ice as you are a hair's breadth from being indefinitely blocked. Your contention that you made a "couple of mistakes" on userpages is not credible given your history. You know exactly what you are doing, and your promises and occasional contrition is of course feigned. I'm not blocking you now, although that doesn't prevent another administrator from doing so, but I will try to monitor your edits as I have time.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:05, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hey, it's over. We're moving on now. From now on, no one will ever make a mistake like this again. SportsLair (talk) 01:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

March 2017

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Jonathan Woodard. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. - Mlpearc (open channel) 01:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Robert Trujillo. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. - Mlpearc (open channel) 01:22, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Juju Smith-Schuster. - Mlpearc (open channel) 01:24, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Listen, enough. It seems that you have been spying me as I'm editing. To tell you the truth to be honest, spying and tampering about on one another's contributions is not what anyone should be doing, and that means you. If you see for yourself in this discussion at ANI, you might find out for yourself. SportsLair (talk) 01:43, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Vadal Alexander. - Mlpearc (open channel) 18:53, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

As I mentioned it before, it's not always necessary to overlook or tamper about on another one's contributions. This could lead to tensions between one another. I most definitely do not want to go for a Round 2 at ANI, just for putting up with you. SportsLair (talk) 18:58, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - Mlpearc (open channel) 19:06, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced material

I thought that an the previous ANI discussion you agreed not to insert any more unsourced material. I don't see, therefore, how Mlpearc's warning was incorrect, because it appears you have done exactly the same thing again. The (even though redacted) edit-summary was unnecessary as well. Please do not repeat this again. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 19:17, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm so sorry to get you involved into all this. Is it all right if I explain something? Here's the thing. Sometimes, users edit without citing a source, usually to fix verbs and grammar, and to update stats in sports. On some occasions, those small edits do not always require a source. Sometimes, external links, like on NFL.com for example is the core source to a player's stats. SportsLair (talk) 19:22, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

If you're updating a stat from a source that has be updated (on the source end) then you need to state that in your edit summaries, how are editors supposed to know the source was updated and not just the Wikipedia page. - Mlpearc (open channel) 19:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Let's face it, player stats will always have a source somewhere on the web, there's really not an excuse for not adding them, however trivial the edit might be. Duplicating a source is always better than having an unsourced claim. Black Kite (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

...I see...well, thanks. SportsLair (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Hidden notes

Hello S. I wanted to let you know that, from my experience, the addition of hidden notes like this is to be done sparingly. Some consider it a display of ownership. For plot sections, per the filmproject, we try to limit adding it to articles where there is an ongoing problem of eitors trying to add too much detail to the plot. Please understand that I am not saying that you did anything wrong - I am just trying to let you know why these may be removed from articles that you add them to. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD|Talk 14:50, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

April 2017

Regarding this edit you made to my talk page, what makes you "suspect something suspicious", I'm curious to know, not to mention your history of adding unsourced edits yourself and accusing me that I'm supposedly adding unsourced content and should be blocked, which is ironic. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 23:18, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Please watch yourself

This is not acceptable - Mlpearc (open channel) 18:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Excessive notifications for ANI IPs

Hi there, I note you've excessively placed ANI notices on IP addresses' talk pages over the last day or so (mine included) - which thread is this in relation to, and are the IPs you notified (which at my count is 50+) all mentioned explicitly? 92.20.180.12 (talk) 19:10, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Also, now I've seen the above thread, edit summaries such as this are also not appropriate and border on grave-dancing. Cut it out 92.20.180.12 (talk) 19:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

You do understand that if an IP address is being discussed at a noticeboard, a message will be left on its talk page, so be precise about that. SportsLair (talk) 19:15, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I do understand that, thoroughly - Mlpearc has kindly linked me to the thread in question (the IPs were collapsed, my mistake). However, given you've informed a good chunk of a range about a thread which for most won't be applicable it's hardly appropriate. For example, my IP today only has related contributions from back in February 2015 and hadn't edited since then, so has been stale for 2+ years. More worryingly that that though are you inappropriate messages/edit summaries - do you care to explain the wording of this post? 92.20.180.12 (talk) 19:23, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

(Full disclosure - the above IP was me logged out) @SportsLair: I am, however, waiting for a reply as to how you thought the above edit summaries and section titles were appropriate -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 11:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

• No idea why this is on my watchlist, but just FYI, there is the thread= parameter on Template:ANI-notice, which lets you specify which thread it is, and can help reduce confusion, especially for new users or particularly prolific ones in threads that don't directly mention them. TimothyJosephWood 19:26, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

ANI

You often don't know what you're talking about. ANI is not a playground. Bad advice and uninformed comments can often make bad situations worse. Please stop commenting there. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:42, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Sigh

What is the relationship between this account and User:EvilLair? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, this account has absolutely no relationship. Me and him have a long-term history. EvilLair (talk · contribs) doesn't edit that often on this site, but only leaves seemingly junk messages on my talk page. It's been going on for quite some time. I'm so sorry to get you involved in all this. But overall, everything else seems to be all right. I also do apologize for excessive commenting at ANI as well. Hope everything is well. SportsLair (talk) 22:06, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, everything is not that great, because I'm about 99% sure you're the same person. Shall I ask a Checkuser? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:13, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

No thanks. SportsLair (talk) 22:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

LOL. Yeah, I guess I worded that poorly. What I meant was, are you going to admit it, and stop using two accounts to screw around, or shall I ask a Checkuser to verify it's you, and block you both indef? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Look, please. I'm going to say this just for once. Me and EvilLair have absolutely no relationship. If you look into each combatant's contributions, just about everything is different in between. I don't want to trigger such confusion or go attending subpoenas every other day. SportsLair (talk) 22:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@Bbb23:? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Blocked

You're the same person as User:EvilLair, just using a proxy server [1]. If this was garden variety screwing around, I'd have considered something shorter to try to get you to see the light. But you're socking, pretending to have the accounts talking to each other, reporting each other to WP:ANI, and in many other ways wasting other people's time. Plus, the time wasting has been really, really long term. Blocked indef. Template to follow shortly. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

April 2017

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for socking and long term time wasting. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Floquenbeam (talk) 22:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

SportsLair (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

My account neither impersonates, nor is related with EvilLair (talk · contribs). Please see WP:FAITH. It would not be all that polite to be all this tough and threaten undergrunted users like this.

Decline reason:

You're lying. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 23:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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Undergrunted? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

What describes the term undergrunted is a lower rank from administrators. For example, a regular user can be blocked by an administrator, and I am an undergrunt. SportsLair (talk) 22:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I see, thanks, I learned something new. But I see from a little googling it's commonly used in gaming. should you be using that term with this account? EvilLair is the one you used to do all the videogame edits. Should have picked a sports term for this account. JV? Rookie? Anyway, this seems obvious to me, but if the reviewing admin needs more info, just ping me. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:06, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@Floquenbeam: Listen, you learn something new every once in a while, especially when you're acting too harsh. Let me explain a little something else. Accounts don't always relate to each other, because they may have a different IP address underlying them, and their style/topic of editing is different as well. It can act cold, but still, you may want to re-check WP:FAITH before you really expose people right away. SportsLair (talk) 23:10, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Sportslair if you want to ping Floquenbeam, you'll need to rewrite your signature or else it won't work (since you forgot to ping him in the original edit). I think it would be wise, however, to just admit the connection to the EvilLair account. I crossed paths with you briefly in ANIs and even I could tell something was up. They may be la little enient if you come clean.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

SportsLair (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Please see the underlying IP addresses and contributions for me and EvilLair. Me and the other corresponding user are unrelated.

Decline reason:

It's pretty clear to me the two accounts are connected, and frankly this block was a long time coming for a number of other reasons editors have already raised above -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 07:24, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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SportsLair (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Even if there was SportsLair and EvilLair, you cannot always say that both accounts are connected. Of what Floquenbeam (talk · contribs) is trying to mention before, I suspect it is having a WP:COI trying to get around both. I would like you to please hire a checkuser to seek another opinion between the two accounts.

Decline reason:

Talk page access revoked, see WP:UTRS if you wish to appeal further. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:18, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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SportsLair (talk) 11:11, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

• If you leave me any more messages on any other wikis, I will have you accounts globally locked. Also, threats like that, no matter how silly and impotent, are not smart, and if someone took them seriously (I don't, and don't want others to) can get you into real-world trouble. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
  • @Floquenbeam: your call, but this sorta thing deserves an immediate lock when paired with what's been going on here... -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 13:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
    • He was globally locked a little while ago. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:09, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
• I've accidentally set in motion a rename here, which is taking ages, when all I intended was to look at global edits. I'll reverse it as soon as it concludes. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:31, 6 April 2017 (UTC)