User talk:Star Mississippi

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Article ADR Closure

Hi, Star. I see you closed the Ami Dror ADR today. Is there a reason why the ADR template is still up there? --Omer Toledano (talk) 17:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Omert33. I'm actually not sure whether DRV templates are typically removed from the related AfDs subsequent to close. @OwenX, @Robert McClenon as more active DRV participants, any ideas? Thanks for flagging Omer. Star Mississippi 00:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Omert33, User:Star Mississippi - I don't pay much attention to the template, but it is my understanding that the template in question is displayed while the DRV is in process and removed when the DRV is closed, at which time any other actions may be also taken (such as relisting the AFD or deleting the article). I see that it has now been removed. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Robert McClenon. I think @Omert33 may be speaking to @A smart kitten's placement of it at the DRV where I still see it. May be cached though. Star Mississippi 02:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. My understanding is that the {{delrevxfd}} templates are left on the relevant XfD page, as a note that said XfD discussion has previously undergone a deletion review. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 20:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks

Ok, this may be unnecessary, but thanks for thanking this edit. I tried to tell the editor sternly to stop pinging many admins (random ones include Liz, who is currently stressed, and Jimbo, who is, well, Jimbo). This told my senses that this is a good example to follow (and plus, I was happy to see it after a long day at BLPN). (PS, if you're wondering where I got it from, it's here, the post by Dennis Brown under the first unblock request.) So in sum, thank you for your gratitude and helping me learn as an editor. Signed, TheTechie
If you reply here, please ping me. (Standard signature ->) thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 01:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for trying to help them @TheTechie. And you're right, definitely a good call. They're either a sock or meatpuppet who clearly wants to get Saqib sanctioned, there have been a few of those about for reasons I don't fully understand. My guess would be a UPE farm. I should apologize in advance to @Deepfriedokra, the main UTRS patroller, as they're on a path to get their TPA revoked and then unfortunately my favorite root fruit has to deal. You're safe to continue trying to help, or ignore. I'm in the latter as nothing I say will help and some admin may be willing to unblock. Happy to help however I can, ping at any time. Star Mississippi 02:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

If you don't mind, are you willing to remove TPA? They keep making nonsense threats/arguments and this is getting nowhere. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

No prob. Declines are cheap and so are UTRS bans.-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

 Question: @Deepfriedokra are you talking to me or SM? I'm confused. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Because it would be really helpful if they had their TPA removed. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hope I don't look like I'm nagging you both. Signed, thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

As SM pinged me to apologize, I replied as I did. Not engaged with this debacle, so I will not intervene at this time. You can always turn off notifications if you find them annoying. Mostly I would just ignore . Best. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I've taken it to AN. I'll let someone else handle it. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not going to yank TPA as I'm involved, but their rope is short. @TheTechie I agree with @Deepfriedokra here. Best to just ignore them as the blocked editor didn't seem receptive. THanks both! Star Mississippi 02:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Anytime! thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Ahirs as Yadavs

hello, @Star Mississippi. Someone has merged Ahirs as Yadavs into Ahir article without adding the content of this article. Please add the content of this article to Ahir article. Thanks. 2409:4085:8D1D:4B36:0:0:8849:DA09 (talk) 02:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I will not be merging content. However you, @Ratnahastin or any other editor is welcome to do so. Star Mississippi 02:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Sorry but I can't do it because I don't have a Wikipedia account user @Ratnahastin did not see the talk page [[1]] nor did he add the content to Ahir article. 2409:4085:8D1D:4B36:0:0:8849:DA09 (talk) 03:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Unless the article is protected, you can edit it. If you cannot, please use the Talk to make suggested edits. If neither you nor @Ratnahastin is able, someone at the WP:Teahouse may be willing. Have a good evening! Star Mississippi 03:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Question about blocks

Hello, long time no talk page. I hope all is well. Saw the newest outster for transphobia at ANI and wondered if longer-term editors (the latest only had four edits) or new editors who seem to be editing in good faith should be given one "keep out of jail" notice on their talk page about Wikipedia's policy and asked not to do it again. Not everyone will know about it and that slippery ledge is short and tends to leave no survivors. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

While there might be situations where a last chance applies, but coming here to spew transphobic bullshit with a burner account isn't one of those. There are sites where that might be welcome, you shouldn't need a final warning to know Wikipedia isn't one of them. Star Mississippi 12:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Of course not for new or vandal accounts with an agenda, but some semi-regular editors who don't know about guidelines and such (thinking about it, a very small percentage of users actually participate in behind-the-scenes backroom discussions) may step over the line without realizing there is a line. That's where a don't-do-it-again note could both educate and keep productive editors editing. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

There are situations where there's a fine line, but there's also basic manners and civil discourse that you should assume when joining any online community. I'm about to step offline, but if you believe Skyfox wasn't a new or vandal account and that I was too harsh, feel free to request a review of my block. If consensus disagrees with it, another admin will lift it and the user will be free to edit. Star Mississippi 12:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. No, I haven't even looked at the account aside from the number of edits (4) so don't know the wording or circumstances and trust your judgement. The discussion just reminded me of a long-time editor who was bounced awhile back under similar circumstances and thought I'd run the idea of a one-time bye by you. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm in favor of giving newbies or oopses some rope. We certainly give it to experienced, but they have to show a modicum of goodfaith. Skyfox hasn't even appealed but assume they'll pop up again soon with a new one, unfortunately. Star Mississippi 02:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

IP changing image at Beard

Hi SM, starting back in January an IP registered to Washington State University has persistently removed or changed the infobox image at Beard. They have received warnings (ex. User talk:69.166.46.175 and User talk:69.166.44.3) along with edit summaries instructing them to go to the talk page. Will you page block them? I think the 69.166.40.0/21 range gets all of IPs. Pinging @Generalrelative as they have reverted them a few time and tried to engage on the talk page. S0091 (talk) 14:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the range, made my life much easier. This is done, I'm 99% sure. If there are others, ping me as the disruption didn't seem enough for Semi and I see + contributions from other IPs. Star Mississippi 15:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Page blocks are handy for situations like this. Thanks! S0091 (talk) 15:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

To @Deepfriedokra (most likely) or anyone else reviewing UTRS:88716, here's the background. I'm not positive I left the note correctly after DQ's Bot messaged me. I'm going to be offline at the weekend so if further action is needed, feel free to take it. Star Mississippi 20:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Ha! Declined by the ever present Yamla. As Yamla says, using someone else's name is, shall we, say, not appropriate. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I don't like indefinite partial blocks. A shorter duration would be better. The appeal, IMO, was trollish. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Yamla and @Deepfriedokra for the input.

I'm fine with a shorter p-block. What would you recommend time wise Star Mississippi 20:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

1 year? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

re-blocked for one year. Thanks! Star Mississippi 20:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Excellent. It's so incredibly unlikely this would affect an uninvolved editor now. --Yamla (talk) 21:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

(Initially, I was confused by the UTRS request and wondered what on earth you did to lead to a block... it seemed massively out of character). --Yamla (talk) 21:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

LOL same when I got the bot email. Wait, I think I can still edit. Glad I didn't get it at the office or somewhere I didn't have access to edit.

Any rouge admin who really wanted to silence me would know forcing me to UTRS is the way because holy hell that isn't intuitive to me . Thanks again both Star Mississippi 21:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Quick question about close?

I have a question about the close here: why is it ‘no consensus’ instead of keep? There is one comment (providing sources, but not a clear keep) and 2 keep !votes.

I don’t think it really matters, but I was curious. :) FortunateSons (talk) 10:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! When you have a keep per, that wasn't actually a keep it's a weak keep which really leaves you with 1/1. To me that's N/C, but whether it's a week keep close or a N/C probably doesn't matter much. Star Mississippi 13:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah, makes sense. So I screwed up my own vote, good to know for next time, thanks. :) FortunateSons (talk) 13:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Not screwed up, but not as clear to a closer as it could have been. Why did you interpret the comment as a keep, rather than just keep per... More context is always helpful. Star Mississippi 14:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Because it’s my comment. ;)

I was going for “meets n per the sources provided by …”, but I just had my partner read over that and she agreed with how you interpreted it, so it’s my error. FortunateSons (talk) 14:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

No worries, definitely more art than science at times. Thanks for dropping a note and have a good day! Star Mississippi 13:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time, have a good day as well! FortunateSons (talk) 14:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Urgent help required

Someone is repeatedly undoing my edits on the article Maratha Confederacy without any reason. I already had a long discussion on the article's talk page and quoted information from WP:RS sources but the person who is reverting my edits doesn't give any explanation on the talk or while reverting. He also has involved another user who is repeatedly harassing me on my talk page and giving no excuse on why he is reverting my edits (he has also been blocked once from what i saw on his talk page). I have provided WP:RS sources on article's talk page still the other user is commenting on my talk page "give reliable sources" and now has used a Red flag while reverting my edit besides demanding indefinite time period protection for Maratha confederacy article.

Plz help me. I would be grateful for you help Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mohammad Umar Ali ((talk page watcher) this may be something to take to WP:DRN, a great place for seeing resolution of intractable disputes. If your need is as urgent as you say that may be an excellent place to start. The volunteers there help reach a guided consensus. However, nothing is ever urgent on Wikipedia, so please take a deep breath, step away from the keyboard for ten minutes or so, and then proceed calmly and unemotionally. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mohammad Umar Ali (talk page watcher) Whatever the next step you take, please take it in a true spirit of one needing impartial help. Whether you are 100% correct or 100% incorrect or somewhere in between, collegial Wikipedians do not take sides, they simply review the evidence. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thnx for the help Mohammad Umar Ali (talk) 12:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Timtrent for jumping in here while I was offline. This is definitely best suited for DRN, @Mohammad Umar Ali as it appears to be a very complex issue and my on wiki time remains limited. Let me know if I can help in any other way. Star Mississippi 13:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

This hare was set running simultaneously at another editor's talk page. They issued advice that was 'stronger' but not dissimilar. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of IMAX venues

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of IMAX venues. Note, this refers specifically to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_IMAX_venues_(4th_nomination). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Jonovitch (talk) 01:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I have responded there to keep it central Star Mississippi 03:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

May thanks

story · music · places

Thank you for closing the deletion discussion for Magdalena Hinterdobler. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

You're most welcome. Appreciated the well reasoned input to make a close fairly easy. Star Mississippi 13:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Rejected draft recreation

Hi! My apologies if this is the wrong place to bring it - Draft:Collegiate Model United Nations Society, India was recently rejected, and the editor responsible promptly created an identical draft with a slightly different name, Draft:Collegiate Model United Nations Society (which has been declined twice so far). There seems to be no reason to waste further AFC time and effort with a draft that isn't being improved and presumably cannot be improved. Is there somewhere I should take this for attention, or is bringing it to you a suitable response? Thanks and hope you're having a good day! StartGrammarTime (talk) 01:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for raising this @StartGrammarTime. @Justlettersandnumbers took care of the duplication before I could get to it (thank you!) but I have blocked the editor who is clearly here only to promote that model UN chapter. They're welcome to file an unblock if they intend to edit elsewhere. Star Mississippi 13:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both for your time and attention! StartGrammarTime (talk) 23:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion

editor now INDEFfed, issue moot
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Seems you vote more for deletion than the average editor and you dont even try to resolve things first. Its much like an anarchist editor's move that you're not truly what's doing in the best interest of the subject or of the purpose of Wikipedia and you're not quite following its policies to a t you're copying pasting some of the verbage in the policies but you're severely misinterpreting them and factual black and white categorical evidence there's no way that her audiobook narrator career can be disputed . Mooresklm2016 (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC) Seems you vote more for deletion than the average editor and you dont even try to resolve things first. Its much like an anarchist editor's move that you're not truly what's doing in the best interest of the subject or of the purpose of Wikipedia and you're not quite following its policies to a t you're copying pasting some of the verbage in the policies but you're severely misinterpreting them and factual black and white categorical evidence there's no way that her audiobook narrator career can be disputed . Mooresklm2016 (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2024 ( For any TPS, the discussion is at User_talk:Mooresklm2016#May_2024. I see no need to split it. Star Mississippi 16:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conor Collins

Was surprised this one wasn't relisted, just curious why you went straight for the no consensus? Thanks! SportingFlyer T·C 06:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I was on the fence given the already high (for current times) participation and the split assessment which, to me, read as one unlikely to be resolved.

Happy to relist if you'd like. Note I'll be offline until the evening so apologies in advance for the delay in doing so. Star Mississippi 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not a problem, I just assumed that with an additional week, more consensus might be able to form as it was a tricky one. Thanks for the response! SportingFlyer T·C 21:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

"Sangerpedia" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Sangerpedia has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 31 § Sangerpedia until a consensus is reached. (Notification being sent to all who participated in the DRV.) Cheers, Daniel (talk) 21:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Margaret Nichols DRV

I agree that restoring it to draft was in order. This was another DRV request that didn't need to go through DRV, because the requester can create a new article in draft space or article space, subject to review if a draft, and subject to a new AFD in article space. I wonder whether DRV Purpose 3 should be clarified so that requesters will not think that they are required to go through DRV. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Robert McClenon.

Thanks for the pointer to the set of guidelines. It was 3 I was indirectly citing but couldn't find the list handy. The closer acted within a set of facts we only now know not to be true, same as if new sourcing had come out. Nice to know that wasn't a full IAR. I think it could be clarified, or like your point on WT:DRV, re-examined to not be scope creep but to make it less of a bureaucracy which I think we're all seeing more than enough of lately. I'm about to log off but happy to discuss further. Star Mississippi 02:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:James G. Hollandsworth

I had this deleted entry on a professor and author who wrote about the history of Louisiana and Mississippi restored. He also wrote about psychology. Is he notable? FloridaArmy (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @FloridaArmy

From my POV based on citation volume, I think he's notable as an academic. Let me see what I can add. Thanks for flagging. Star Mississippi 15:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I think it's good for mainspace, but there are some citation formatting errors I'm not sure about. Do you know? If not I'll mainspace and a bot will sort it out. Star Mississippi 15:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for your help. I'm no help on citations, sorry. Thabks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

and @Ira Leviton took care of it (thank you!) it seems the script does numbers which the text then doesn't. And thanks for getting it started, @FloridaArmy Star Mississippi 13:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

About your revision deletion on David Hertzberg

Hey Star Mississippi! I happened to revisit this article and noticed you handled the copyright violation revdel request that I left. However, you only hid a single revision while leaving subsequent revisions visible. I believe all of these revisions until this one still contain copyrighted text and need to be hidden. Let me know what you think. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 07:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @TechnoSquirrel69 and apologies for this. I'm not sure if I misread the request and/or the script glitched as it was a while ago. I've completed the request now, but please don't hesitate to ping me if something further is needed here or on another article. Star Mississippi 14:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

No apologies needed, and thanks for taking care of it! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ESPNU personalities

I was a bit surprised to see you close this as a merge, especially considering the 'delete' vote which found a lack of evidence to support it as such. I thought a relist was appropriate to gain additional consensus. Let'srun (talk) 02:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, but more eyes are always helpful so I have relisted. FWIW, I read that delete as no reason to support a standalone, not that the content must be deleted. Thanks for raising @Let'srun Star Mississippi 02:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I get how you read things that way. Thank you for relisting. Let'srun (talk) 11:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Citybuzz

Can you please reconsider your close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Citybuzz? Unfortunately once again MILL is being used to argue against bus routes being included in Wikipedia, when MILL is an essay. EVENT was also misapplied here and so I believe the only delete vote presented after I added sources to be a poor argument. The nominator and previous delete voter didn't acknowledge the addition of sources. I don't think the argument is strong enough for a delete close - no consensus feels more appropriate due to the lack of participation and poor delete arguments put forward. Garuda3 (talk) 16:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Garuda3. I think your interpretation is unfortunately in the minority here. I've reread the input and still see no other way to close this. You're of course welcome to go to DRV, but my suggestion is to work on it in draft space and see if you can find truly independent & secondary sources. Not just its existence, but information about it. Let me know if you'd like the draft? About to be offline for a couple of hours so pardon any delay. Star Mississippi 18:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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ping pong, email en route back to the @Netherzone Star Mississippi 19:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I saw that, thanks! Netherzone (talk) 22:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Anatolia for deletion?

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blasted scripts. It used to notify when that was the case, but it either didn't or I missed it. Thanks so much for tagging & flagging, it's fixed now. Star Mississippi 16:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome, thanks to you! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, Star Mississippi,

Feel free to call me a bureaucratic wonk but does it bother you that some AFD closers are closing AFD discussions half a day early? Sometimes a full day early. I look for signs that this is bothersome to our AFD regulars but so far, I don't see anyone protesting. And when I see other closers closing discussions hours and hours early, I think, well, maybe this is the new unwritten rule, we don't have to abide by the 7 full day custom. What do you think? Thanks and I hope you are having a good start to summer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Good morning and apologies for the delay @Liz. I'm definitely one who closes early, although hopefully not half a day or more. My personal guideline is whether the discussion looks ready for close or other action when we're reasonably close to the 7 day run. After a relist I believe it doesn't matter at all. I definitely relist at the beginning of Day 7 if one has had no traction and it will clearly do better atop the new log than buried in the old. I personally feel that they fall within admin discretion but if a participant or closer feels it's an issue, I'd adjust my plan. (Except DRV, I'm an early closer there when bureaucracy has attacked). Hope you're doing as well as possible with all going on. Star Mississippi 12:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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AfD analysis

Hi SM, I did some analysis on AfDs comparing 2019 and 2023 using 4 days for each year that you and/or tps's might find interesting (or not). See User:S0091/AfD statistics. S0091 (talk) 18:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Serenity Cox Restoration

Hi Star Mississippi, I am looking for the article for Serenity Cox to be restored. It went to deletion discussion several months ago, and after a lengthy discussion (many in favour and against) it was unfortunately deleted. However, since there has been more coverage of the individual that supports the notable claim. Being relatively new to authoring articles, I updated it and tried to resubmit it, but it was obviously listed for speedy deletion as I did not come to you first.

Looking forward to your guidance and advice. Thanks. SanDiegoDan (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SanDiegoDan. Apologies for the delay as I was offline.

The issue beyond the AfD is that the draft was also rejected (cc @Qcne, @Gene93k & @KylieTastic) and the mainspace title was protected (cc @Robertsky). If you believe you can make a case for notability, you're welcome to appeal the rejection and go through AfC. However the source you used here don't achivvee that.It does not appear Cox is notable, and I think editing on another topic will probably be a better use of your editing time. I've pinged the other editors in case they have further suggestions as I don't have a ton of on wiki time right now. Star Mississippi 23:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)