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Beethoven 250 years
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The birthday display! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Very cool. Congratulations! Though it might have been even more fabulous if all of the hooks were about him or his works ;) SusunW (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- When the year began, I hoped for that, planning to expand some compositions to GA status. Well, came all the small stuff, and people dying whose articles I updated. The lead article is by Aza24. The "quirky" is nominated for GA. The others link to the pieces I wanted to expand ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
thoughts?
Hi Susun, hope all is well with you. I've been re-writing Mildred Mottahedeh after it was nominated for deletion, and I think I've come up with a pretty comprehensive account of a woman who, as it turns out, actually was a major figure in the porcelain world. I felt like I'd imagine you do in piecing together an article about a fascinating and under-covered, woman, and I thought I'd come to you for advice. I've written the article with all the sources I could find, but at a glance, are you finding any places to look that I haven't? Could I interest you in briefly giving the article a copyedit, as your prose is undoubtedly much better than mine? Do you have any other advice? Hopefully I'm not too much of a bother-- any help you may be able to offer would be greatly appreciated. All the best, and thank you for all the incredible work you've been up to, -- Eddie891 Talk Work 22:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hey Eddie891 Glad to look at it and yes, putting the puzzle pieces together to find the story of someone's life is always exciting to me, like solving a mystery. Will probably be tomorrow before I get to it, as it's almost the time I knock off each evening. SusunW (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- Eddie891 Gave it a light copyedit. Added info to the talk page and one thing that needs clarification. Just let me know if you need more help. SusunW (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Merry Christmas
Hi SusunW - there's probably a clever way to use a bot or something to deliver lots of Christmassy greetings, but I don't know it so I'm doing it the old-fashioned way. I don't even know if you celebrate Christmas, but what the hell - I hope you and yours are well, and that you have as pleasant an end to the year, and a start to the next, as the present circumstances will allow. Thanks for making this a better, nicer place. GirthSummit (blether) 18:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks so much Girth Summit! I hope you and yours are well too. All is good in sunny Mexico, well as good as can be with the specter of COVID hanging around. I also hope you and yours also have a lovely holiday season. SusunW (talk) 20:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- SusunW, sunny Mexico, you're making me feel jealous! Last week I was giving a talk to a group of 11 year olds about geology. Standing atop a hill, inside a cloud at about 2 degrees C, I explained that Yorkshire wasn't always cold and wet. "When these rocks were laid down, 200 million years ago, Yorkshire was at a sub-tropical latitude - we would have been standing on a beach by a shallow sea, in the warm sunshine..." GirthSummit (blether) 20:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- If it makes you feel better Girth Summit I have on long trousers, and a sweater. For us, it is cold (it's 23C, i.e. 73F, LOL), but I have never encountered being in fog or clouds here (maybe in DF). It is always sunny, even when it is raining. We are finally in the dry season, way too much rain this year, so hoping Chaac is content without giving us late season showers. SusunW (talk) 20:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- SusunW, 23 degree is cold? Come on! That's a pleasant summer's day - that would result in shorts being donned, and tops being removed, in these parts. Hope your dry season lives up to its name and you get some evenings outside. X GirthSummit (blether) 20:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Girth Summit I am happiest somewhere in the 30s, 28C is my absolute lowest comfortable temp and anything below that requires a sweater. Summer rolls around in May and thankfully lasts only that month typically. It hovers between 35-45C. Trust me, you don't even want to wear shorts. As for outside, I am there all the time, morning, midday and night, all year long. I go from my office to the kitchen through the garden, which has a giant awning to prevent both rain and too much sun on the patio. SusunW (talk) 20:49, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- When I lived in Edinburgh, I had this same conversation with my friend and colleague Jose Guilabert, who was from Madrid. We concluded that people adjust to get comfortable to different climates in their early years. Me, my perfect temperature is around 15 degrees - hotter than that and I start to get itchy. For him, anything less than 30 feels cold and he's looking for a sweater. Humans are wonderful things. GirthSummit (blether) 20:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh tru dat! It's what makes the world interesting. SusunW (talk) 21:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- When I lived in Edinburgh, I had this same conversation with my friend and colleague Jose Guilabert, who was from Madrid. We concluded that people adjust to get comfortable to different climates in their early years. Me, my perfect temperature is around 15 degrees - hotter than that and I start to get itchy. For him, anything less than 30 feels cold and he's looking for a sweater. Humans are wonderful things. GirthSummit (blether) 20:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- Girth Summit I am happiest somewhere in the 30s, 28C is my absolute lowest comfortable temp and anything below that requires a sweater. Summer rolls around in May and thankfully lasts only that month typically. It hovers between 35-45C. Trust me, you don't even want to wear shorts. As for outside, I am there all the time, morning, midday and night, all year long. I go from my office to the kitchen through the garden, which has a giant awning to prevent both rain and too much sun on the patio. SusunW (talk) 20:49, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- SusunW, 23 degree is cold? Come on! That's a pleasant summer's day - that would result in shorts being donned, and tops being removed, in these parts. Hope your dry season lives up to its name and you get some evenings outside. X GirthSummit (blether) 20:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- If it makes you feel better Girth Summit I have on long trousers, and a sweater. For us, it is cold (it's 23C, i.e. 73F, LOL), but I have never encountered being in fog or clouds here (maybe in DF). It is always sunny, even when it is raining. We are finally in the dry season, way too much rain this year, so hoping Chaac is content without giving us late season showers. SusunW (talk) 20:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
- SusunW, sunny Mexico, you're making me feel jealous! Last week I was giving a talk to a group of 11 year olds about geology. Standing atop a hill, inside a cloud at about 2 degrees C, I explained that Yorkshire wasn't always cold and wet. "When these rocks were laid down, 200 million years ago, Yorkshire was at a sub-tropical latitude - we would have been standing on a beach by a shallow sea, in the warm sunshine..." GirthSummit (blether) 20:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Philanthropist Frances "Fran" Todman
I wrote the article on biologist Marie Jakus which prompted me to start the Retina Foundation which then led to a possible redlink: Frances (Fran) Todman, the wife of Bill Todman. She died in 2008 and seems to have been a Jewish American philanthropist, community leader, and perhaps a socialite in health and the arts in New York City and Florida. It looks like she passes WP:GNG based on a quick Newspapers.com and Google search. I have a list of early to mid 20th-century women scientists I want to stay more focused on but thought I'd pitch Todman here. (I hate to feel like I am ignoring a WIR). I'm sure you're busy so if you are not particularly interested, let me know and I will try to add Todman to Wikidata so it populates on the WIR redlist index. Thank you! TJMSmith (talk) 05:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- TJMSmith You know me well. I love a good hunt. Frances Holmes Burson was sneaky, but I've got her. SusunW (talk) 15:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- It took me far longer to figure out her history than to write the article. LOL But, she's done. SusunW (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Another woman saved from fading away into obscurity and being hidden beneath coverage their spouse! Plus it fit into WIR Philanthropy month nicely :) She had quite the residence [1]...now worth a measly $19 million. Thanks for writing this up! TJMSmith (talk) 21:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- No problem, as I said, I love a good hunt. And I saw that. Figured at least if it's up, others can add stuff. The hard part was figuring out her maiden name and where she grew up. Now back to poll taxes (and nationality which is probably going to be a year-long project) SusunW (talk) 21:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Another woman saved from fading away into obscurity and being hidden beneath coverage their spouse! Plus it fit into WIR Philanthropy month nicely :) She had quite the residence [1]...now worth a measly $19 million. Thanks for writing this up! TJMSmith (talk) 21:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- It took me far longer to figure out her history than to write the article. LOL But, she's done. SusunW (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Further to the WiR thread: Actually this has bits re women: Children born abroad needed a British father until ? to get British cit. Until 1933 or later, women lost cit if married a foreigner ... Johnbod (talk) 17:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much Johnbod! As I said there, I know bits about British women's nationality, but am truly not versed in it. As the article develops, I hope to learn more. If you are interested in helping with it, I would be thrilled to have your help. SusunW (talk) 17:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Let me know when you've got a way on .... A proper lawyer might be better! It seems "women lost cit if married a foreigner" only started in 1870... Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Perhaps technically, but because of common law/coverture it started way before that. It's a bit of a mess still, but the structure is started. SusunW (talk) 17:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Let me know when you've got a way on .... A proper lawyer might be better! It seems "women lost cit if married a foreigner" only started in 1870... Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much Johnbod! As I said there, I know bits about British women's nationality, but am truly not versed in it. As the article develops, I hope to learn more. If you are interested in helping with it, I would be thrilled to have your help. SusunW (talk) 17:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Best wishes for the holidays
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| Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Magi (Jan Mostaert) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 12:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC) |
- Thank you so much Johnbod I return the sentiment to you and yours. May we all have a fruitful (and less stressful) 2021. SusunW (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Season's Greetings
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- Merry Christmas & Happy New Year
- May you and yours be happy and healthy, and let the dark be gone. Simon Adler (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much Simon Adler. Hope you and yours have a lovely holiday season. SusunW (talk) 14:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Mrs. C. F. Byrd
Appears by all accounts to be Elaine Julia Kobylanski Byrd: obituary here. Her husband was Carol Hunter Byrd: Findagrave here. Not sure if there's enough out there to write an article, but at least we have a name. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- I can work with that. Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 03:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Any time. Happy to be of help - good luck with your research. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 07:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ser Amantio di Nicolao With a name I can always find something. Maybe not enough for notability, but certainly something. I despise that nonsense of obscuring women behind their spouse's name. Enjoy your holiday season. Stay safe. SusunW (talk) 14:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm not fond of it myself. Especially for research, it gives me a headache. Anyhow, good luck with the research - though I did a cursory search last night under her own name (rather than her husband's), and turned up very little besides a couple of obituaries.
- Ser Amantio di Nicolao With a name I can always find something. Maybe not enough for notability, but certainly something. I despise that nonsense of obscuring women behind their spouse's name. Enjoy your holiday season. Stay safe. SusunW (talk) 14:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Any time. Happy to be of help - good luck with your research. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 07:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- And merry happy whatever, as the TV series had it, to you and yours. :-) Here's hoping next year will be a damn sight better/pleasanter than what we've had to put up with this year... --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
First Woman's National Temperance Convention
Another historical, notable conference... I've started work on First Woman's National Temperance Convention and will continue trying to sort out attendee names tomorrow. Please feel free to join in if you have time and inclination. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:18, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Rosiestep Just saw this and am off to bed, but I think Mrs. Willing could be Jennie Fowler Willing. Will look at it more tomorrow when I have fresher eyes. SusunW (talk) 05:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not having much luck this morning Rosiestep, I'll circle back, but am reminded that I was telling Sue last week about the Alexander Street Press Women and Social Movements database of suffragists. A lot of them were also temperance activists, so you might check here. SusunW (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Susun. I'll search for them in that database. I also think some of the "Mrs. [foo]" women might became apparent after I start creating articles for the women who are named and redlinked. Interesting how this conference article -initiated because of a WiR talkpage post- has energized my return to creating new articles when, since March, I just didn't have it in me. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- You are very welcome. Hope it helps. And glad you have been rekindled. Wishing you and yours a happy holiday and all of us a better (and less stressful) 2021. SusunW (talk) 18:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Susun. Indeed, everyone around the world is looking forward to a better and less stressful 2021! Also, sorry for the sea of green here, but I can't sort out how to stop the green lettering. Maybe a pagestalker will be able to do so. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- You are very welcome. Hope it helps. And glad you have been rekindled. Wishing you and yours a happy holiday and all of us a better (and less stressful) 2021. SusunW (talk) 18:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Susun. I'll search for them in that database. I also think some of the "Mrs. [foo]" women might became apparent after I start creating articles for the women who are named and redlinked. Interesting how this conference article -initiated because of a WiR talkpage post- has energized my return to creating new articles when, since March, I just didn't have it in me. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Not having much luck this morning Rosiestep, I'll circle back, but am reminded that I was telling Sue last week about the Alexander Street Press Women and Social Movements database of suffragists. A lot of them were also temperance activists, so you might check here. SusunW (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
- Rosiestep Just saw this and am off to bed, but I think Mrs. Willing could be Jennie Fowler Willing. Will look at it more tomorrow when I have fresher eyes. SusunW (talk) 05:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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Maintenance template review and removal request
Hi,
New year greetings.
I have been supporting a rights activist' article Zara Kay, the article had been templated for clear notabilty by those who wished to contest existence of the article.
During last week this particular rights activist Zara Kay had been arrested in Tanzania and Australian news reports have covered the news and I have updated related section Zara Kay#2020 Arrest for the same.
Just requesting you to review the notability template and pl. help remove if it does not remain necessary.
Thanks and warm regards Bookku (talk) 08:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Bookku Done. Probably enough there to squeak by on GNG now. SusunW (talk) 15:17, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
@ User:SusunW Many thanks, It's very nice of you. Bookku (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
In appreciation
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The Featured Article Medal | |
| By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this special, very exclusive award created just for we few, we happy few, this band of brothers, who have shed sweat, tears, and probably blood, in order to be able to proudly claim "I too have taken an article to Featured status". Gog the Mild (talk) 21:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC) |
- But only with help from many. Thank you Gog the Mild. I wouldn't have done it without your nudging. SusunW (talk) 21:55, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- No worries. Erm; you are aware of the traditional reward for a good job well done ... ? Gog the Mild (talk) 21:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild, how many times do I have to tell you I am not proper. Pudding? SusunW (talk) 22:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW, nope; another, more difficult job!
Gog the Mild (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild I'll face off with you in a pudding challenge any day and I'm fairly sure I'll win. It's difficult to make good desserts. However, far simpler for me than what you probably have in mind. However, if it's reviewing you want, I will force myself to try. SusunW (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW, oh, you already owe me reviews on demand for life *evil cackle* . I was thinking of your forthcoming FAC on women and citizenship. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- LOL. Gog the Mild it'll be at least a year before that is anywhere near ready. Heck, I haven't even made it through one continent. I have managed to draft updates for the legal status to existing articles on nationality for 9 countries out of 191. I still want to proof them and get the information into a table before they move from the draft. Have written a bit on the international movement to change the laws, but haven't incorporated information from Africa, Asia, Europe, or Oceania, except what was readily available in the stuff I already knew or had written about. Haven't even started on the movements from each continent. Heck, just writing that, maybe it's 2 years out... 3:) 22:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild I would suggest not getting into a pudding challenge with Susun, however entertaining and creative as that might be. Better yet, scratch that and go with the pudding challenge as long as I get to have whatever Susun comes up with. Congrats to you, chica. I am so amazed and honored to know ya! --ARoseWolf (Talk) 14:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska as always you make me smile. What an interesting gathering it would be to have coffee around a table with "pudding" (perhaps we start with my famous pecan pie and then move to something less traditional, say sour orange meringue served on a chocolate crust with just a touch of chiles de arbol). I've always thought it would be amazing to have all the people I admire gathered in one place to just commune. But, I digress, I have work to do. Back to trying to figure out the ins and outs of nationality. SusunW (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Are you going to do it as a multi-article topic? On over-arching summary; some "technical" description articles a bit to the side; then separate articles for each country or group of countries? Gog the Mild (talk) 15:04, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild Here is what I envision. Right now I am working on the blurbs to be inserted in the existing Fooian Nationality Law articles, except, I am finding those don't necessarily exist, *sigh*. When that is completed the information should be presented in a table for comparison and then each country blurb removed from the draft and moved to the nationality law articles. Next step will be to comprehensively cover the movement that developed to change the statutes. Depending on how much is found, that will dictate the scope of companion articles by continent, which will be summarized in a main draft. If that makes sense, that's the plan. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ah ha. Sounds suitably cunning to me. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:40, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild yes that LOL. If you could wave that magic wand and make those Fooian Nationality articles appear, that would be a huge help. Barring that it will just continue to slog along at the pace I can dredge through the mire. SusunW (talk) 15:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ah ha. Sounds suitably cunning to me. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:40, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild Here is what I envision. Right now I am working on the blurbs to be inserted in the existing Fooian Nationality Law articles, except, I am finding those don't necessarily exist, *sigh*. When that is completed the information should be presented in a table for comparison and then each country blurb removed from the draft and moved to the nationality law articles. Next step will be to comprehensively cover the movement that developed to change the statutes. Depending on how much is found, that will dictate the scope of companion articles by continent, which will be summarized in a main draft. If that makes sense, that's the plan. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Are you going to do it as a multi-article topic? On over-arching summary; some "technical" description articles a bit to the side; then separate articles for each country or group of countries? Gog the Mild (talk) 15:04, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska as always you make me smile. What an interesting gathering it would be to have coffee around a table with "pudding" (perhaps we start with my famous pecan pie and then move to something less traditional, say sour orange meringue served on a chocolate crust with just a touch of chiles de arbol). I've always thought it would be amazing to have all the people I admire gathered in one place to just commune. But, I digress, I have work to do. Back to trying to figure out the ins and outs of nationality. SusunW (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild I would suggest not getting into a pudding challenge with Susun, however entertaining and creative as that might be. Better yet, scratch that and go with the pudding challenge as long as I get to have whatever Susun comes up with. Congrats to you, chica. I am so amazed and honored to know ya! --ARoseWolf (Talk) 14:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- LOL. Gog the Mild it'll be at least a year before that is anywhere near ready. Heck, I haven't even made it through one continent. I have managed to draft updates for the legal status to existing articles on nationality for 9 countries out of 191. I still want to proof them and get the information into a table before they move from the draft. Have written a bit on the international movement to change the laws, but haven't incorporated information from Africa, Asia, Europe, or Oceania, except what was readily available in the stuff I already knew or had written about. Haven't even started on the movements from each continent. Heck, just writing that, maybe it's 2 years out... 3:) 22:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW, oh, you already owe me reviews on demand for life *evil cackle* . I was thinking of your forthcoming FAC on women and citizenship. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild I'll face off with you in a pudding challenge any day and I'm fairly sure I'll win. It's difficult to make good desserts. However, far simpler for me than what you probably have in mind. However, if it's reviewing you want, I will force myself to try. SusunW (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- SusunW, nope; another, more difficult job!
- Gog the Mild, how many times do I have to tell you I am not proper. Pudding? SusunW (talk) 22:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- No worries. Erm; you are aware of the traditional reward for a good job well done ... ? Gog the Mild (talk) 21:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Back when I wrote Marie Smallface Marule, I came across the concept of Non-status Indians which may be specific to Canada but seems potentially related to your Women's nationality efforts. TJMSmith (talk) 16:14, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks TJMSmith, I'll add it to the list. Great minds think alike. Megalibrarygirl and I were discussing limits to indigenous people's nationality just yesterday. It is indeed a complicated topic and definitely our nationality articles, what there are of them, are not comprehensive in their discussion of the topic. Most of them do not address limits that were imposed to exclude anyone. It's crazy. SusunW (talk) 16:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- TJMSmith I think there is a relationship when linked with others. I believe the law was changed in 2014 by the Supreme Court in Canada. Now, Status, non-status and metis all have the same rights. Ironically, unlike in the US, the word "Indian" is the only word used to describe them on government documents. In the US, "Native American" is almost used exclusively. There are a lot of tribes who call themselves "Indians" in both the US and Canada. However there is a large portion of those within the US that believe the word "Indian" is derogatory. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Definitely linked, as any laws that had exclusions based on ethnicity, "race", etc. Imagine, you are a woman who married an indigenous person before the 1930s-1940s. As he is barred from nationality, you are also stateless, your children are also stateless, no nation is required to protect you or the civil rights of you, your spouse, or your offspring. You are a foreigner in your own place of birth. It's just nuts. SusunW (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's quite tragic, and to think, this was all legal just a few years ago. The law wasn't challenged in court until 2013. It was overturned but then reinstated during the appeals process. Finally made it to the Supreme Court in 2014 and the lower courts ruling overturning that portion of the law was upheld. 2.0.1.4!!!! --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:14, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Tsistunagiska and TJMSmith:, I was finding a lot of info about Native Americans and Alaska Natives not being allowed to vote in the US due to living on reservations. They were then considered "wards of the state" and not allowed to vote. I mentioned this to SusunW, but I think now that the voting issue is slightly different than the citizenship issue--unless being a ward of the state means you're not a citizen? Also citizenship rights seem to depend on whether a tribe is federally recognized. There's a tribe in Texas fighting to be recognized right now (I forgot the name!) It's really a mess and it needs to be written about. I've added the info about Alaska Natives to the Women's suffrage in Alaska and wrote about the Alaska Jim Crow laws in the article about racial segregation in the US. But I know there's a lot more to write about. It's history that no one wants to talk about and we need to. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Megalibrarygirl I am really hopeful that the voice of Indigenous people in America will be heard a little louder under the new administration but I am concerned as well. It just seems like they continually make promises but never follow through. During Obama's years Kimberly Teehee was promised she would be seated in Congress as per treaty agreements with the Cherokee Nation upon their removal from their ancestral home. Finally, it appeared the full treaty would be honored. But that agreement was never fulfilled and I know it disappointed a lot of people. I never expected it under a Trump administration so no surprise there. Maybe, hope upon hope, the treaty is honored under a Biden or Harris administration but we shall see. Politicians always make promises but deliver very little on what they say. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Yes Megalibrarygirl they are different but the same. Nationality establishes your relationship to the state from which the rights of citizenship and the protection of your rights flow. Basically, you cannot insist that your civil rights be protected if you are legally stateless because there is no one to make your demand to. It's why refugees are so vulnerable and why international agreements are vital. It is ugly history but it needs to be acknowledged and brought into the light. Otherwise we are just promulgating POV whitewashing of history. SusunW (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Megalibrarygirl I am really hopeful that the voice of Indigenous people in America will be heard a little louder under the new administration but I am concerned as well. It just seems like they continually make promises but never follow through. During Obama's years Kimberly Teehee was promised she would be seated in Congress as per treaty agreements with the Cherokee Nation upon their removal from their ancestral home. Finally, it appeared the full treaty would be honored. But that agreement was never fulfilled and I know it disappointed a lot of people. I never expected it under a Trump administration so no surprise there. Maybe, hope upon hope, the treaty is honored under a Biden or Harris administration but we shall see. Politicians always make promises but deliver very little on what they say. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Tsistunagiska and TJMSmith:, I was finding a lot of info about Native Americans and Alaska Natives not being allowed to vote in the US due to living on reservations. They were then considered "wards of the state" and not allowed to vote. I mentioned this to SusunW, but I think now that the voting issue is slightly different than the citizenship issue--unless being a ward of the state means you're not a citizen? Also citizenship rights seem to depend on whether a tribe is federally recognized. There's a tribe in Texas fighting to be recognized right now (I forgot the name!) It's really a mess and it needs to be written about. I've added the info about Alaska Natives to the Women's suffrage in Alaska and wrote about the Alaska Jim Crow laws in the article about racial segregation in the US. But I know there's a lot more to write about. It's history that no one wants to talk about and we need to. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's quite tragic, and to think, this was all legal just a few years ago. The law wasn't challenged in court until 2013. It was overturned but then reinstated during the appeals process. Finally made it to the Supreme Court in 2014 and the lower courts ruling overturning that portion of the law was upheld. 2.0.1.4!!!! --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:14, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Definitely linked, as any laws that had exclusions based on ethnicity, "race", etc. Imagine, you are a woman who married an indigenous person before the 1930s-1940s. As he is barred from nationality, you are also stateless, your children are also stateless, no nation is required to protect you or the civil rights of you, your spouse, or your offspring. You are a foreigner in your own place of birth. It's just nuts. SusunW (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- TJMSmith I think there is a relationship when linked with others. I believe the law was changed in 2014 by the Supreme Court in Canada. Now, Status, non-status and metis all have the same rights. Ironically, unlike in the US, the word "Indian" is the only word used to describe them on government documents. In the US, "Native American" is almost used exclusively. There are a lot of tribes who call themselves "Indians" in both the US and Canada. However there is a large portion of those within the US that believe the word "Indian" is derogatory. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Couldn't agree with you more, Susun. I look at the destruction and removal of these historical monuments, however placed or built in ignorance they may be, and part of me understands the desire to remove something that has caused so much pain and anguish upon a person or group and having to pass those statues and plaques day after day, I know, but then part of me is like, removing it may help you deal with the pain right now, but our children wont understand you when you try to tell them the stories. It washes away history. It's a very deep and personal pain so I understand but, to me, I want them to be seen and I want to be able to walk up in those locations or point out in those cases the tragedy of the events and the atrocities committed. I want our children to know and the best way to teach them is to have visual representations. We are recording history in these cases and the truth, no matter how ugly it is, needs to be recorded, even if it is an indictment upon our direct ancestral heritage. We can't choose who our ancestors were. We can choose what our future will know about the past --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:39, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, I didn't know about Teehee not being seated. I remember seeing her and Obama in a picture... I think that's why it's important to get the history of Indigenous people on Wikipedia. I saw that 40% of Americans think that Native Americans either don't exist anymore or don't face discrimination! Without information online, people become invisible. I also hope that Native Americans fare better under the Biden administration. SusunW, I hope that refugees face better, too. I really like that, A Rose Wolf, "We can't choose who our ancestors were. We can choose what our future will know about the past." Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Megalibrarygirl: I got involved in studying my family history a few years ago. I could probably write a book on those experiences but, I digress, I was visiting my mother's sister in Oklahoma, along with my brother (my blood cousin as I was adopted). We had stopped at this grocery store and I had just been accosted by an employee there, that's another subject altogether, but I casually mentioned to this older gentlemen that I was down there to study my family history. He happened to be have been a professor for years and specialized in genealogy. Those are the exact words he told me. He wanted to prepare me to get the most out of what I could learn about my family. He also warned me that it is going to get really frustrating at times. That's when you have to remember why you are doing this. 1) We honor our ancestors, we don't have to always like who they were or what they necessarily did. We honor that they came before us. 2) We can't change them. We don't control the narrative of their lives. We can apply that in context to our lives presently but we can not place our values and virtues on them. 3) We, being the teachers, can and should (as a duty) dictate how the past is presented to the future. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:59, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, I really enjoy your perspective. Genealogy is a lot of work and I respect people who are good at it. I ended up having a really good talk with one of my friends here in El Paso about respecting history and the past tonight and brought up your quotes from this thread. It made him think--we were talking about how to preserve/destroy monuments for unsavory people from history. Thanks again for this convo and if you ever need anything, holler! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 08:51, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Megalibrarygirl Trust me, it's hard to look at some of these monuments and know the impact they had on history and not want to remove them. I get reminded about the life and struggle of Frederick Douglass. Here is a man who freed himself from slavery and in the beginning he believed the US Constitution was an evil document. But if you look at his beliefs after studying the document and background of creating it you see him change his views. He acknowledged those men were not perfect. He acknowledged they had a lot of faults. But he also saw in these documents where these imperfect men, maybe if they had a woman to help it would be less imperfect (Ha!), framed a document with the words "in order to create a more perfect union", not a perfect one but a more perfect one than has come before. Even though it is in that document, I believe it speaks to a greater cause, a worldwide cause that plagues us all and calls us to try our very best to make everything we do, now, more perfect and teach our future to build upon that and make it more perfect. I have dealt with a lot of people and the one characteristic about people that is a curse on us all is our imperfection. None of us are perfect and we are all subject to making a poor decision or developing views and conducting actions that, even if done out of ignorance and possibly even well-intended, can be destructive in its ends. But our imperfection is also a strength. How do we learn? Who do we learn from? I've made poor decisions in the past. I teach my daughter about those things in the hope she chooses to not follow that same path but we also discuss where good decisions were made and I hope she does emulate those qualities. It's a continuous process and the only way we can continue the process is not by tearing down the past but educating and adding to what is there to make it more perfect. Even if it lays out the ugliness of humankind on full display. It's a visible reminder and constant teacher of the fact we can do better. That's what I love about Wikipedia. It's more than just an encyclopedia to me. It's preservation of history, even the ugly parts should be included. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 14:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Tsistunagiska and Megalibrarygirl: My most central belief in life is that we never learn unless we screw something up. Perfection is worthless, in a way, it is death, as one has nothing to learn. All the times that you do something "right" (whatever "right" is, as there are always multiple truths) only reinforces what you already know, think you already know, or have accepted to be true. I mean, can you remember every time you drove a car or washed a dish. No, but you can and do remember when you wrecked it, or with wet soapy hands broke a favorite family item. When you fail or screw something up, you are forced to reexamine how that happened, how to change course, and your preconceived notions. Why we venerate perfection is unfathomable to me, we should instead celebrate our imperfection (as you said Tsinstunagiska, it is our strength and I would say our gift). Uncovering the ugliness of our history is a part of that process for me. We cannot understand where we are and the complexity of any situation without examining where we failed. SusunW (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Megalibrarygirl Trust me, it's hard to look at some of these monuments and know the impact they had on history and not want to remove them. I get reminded about the life and struggle of Frederick Douglass. Here is a man who freed himself from slavery and in the beginning he believed the US Constitution was an evil document. But if you look at his beliefs after studying the document and background of creating it you see him change his views. He acknowledged those men were not perfect. He acknowledged they had a lot of faults. But he also saw in these documents where these imperfect men, maybe if they had a woman to help it would be less imperfect (Ha!), framed a document with the words "in order to create a more perfect union", not a perfect one but a more perfect one than has come before. Even though it is in that document, I believe it speaks to a greater cause, a worldwide cause that plagues us all and calls us to try our very best to make everything we do, now, more perfect and teach our future to build upon that and make it more perfect. I have dealt with a lot of people and the one characteristic about people that is a curse on us all is our imperfection. None of us are perfect and we are all subject to making a poor decision or developing views and conducting actions that, even if done out of ignorance and possibly even well-intended, can be destructive in its ends. But our imperfection is also a strength. How do we learn? Who do we learn from? I've made poor decisions in the past. I teach my daughter about those things in the hope she chooses to not follow that same path but we also discuss where good decisions were made and I hope she does emulate those qualities. It's a continuous process and the only way we can continue the process is not by tearing down the past but educating and adding to what is there to make it more perfect. Even if it lays out the ugliness of humankind on full display. It's a visible reminder and constant teacher of the fact we can do better. That's what I love about Wikipedia. It's more than just an encyclopedia to me. It's preservation of history, even the ugly parts should be included. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 14:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, I really enjoy your perspective. Genealogy is a lot of work and I respect people who are good at it. I ended up having a really good talk with one of my friends here in El Paso about respecting history and the past tonight and brought up your quotes from this thread. It made him think--we were talking about how to preserve/destroy monuments for unsavory people from history. Thanks again for this convo and if you ever need anything, holler! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 08:51, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Megalibrarygirl: I got involved in studying my family history a few years ago. I could probably write a book on those experiences but, I digress, I was visiting my mother's sister in Oklahoma, along with my brother (my blood cousin as I was adopted). We had stopped at this grocery store and I had just been accosted by an employee there, that's another subject altogether, but I casually mentioned to this older gentlemen that I was down there to study my family history. He happened to be have been a professor for years and specialized in genealogy. Those are the exact words he told me. He wanted to prepare me to get the most out of what I could learn about my family. He also warned me that it is going to get really frustrating at times. That's when you have to remember why you are doing this. 1) We honor our ancestors, we don't have to always like who they were or what they necessarily did. We honor that they came before us. 2) We can't change them. We don't control the narrative of their lives. We can apply that in context to our lives presently but we can not place our values and virtues on them. 3) We, being the teachers, can and should (as a duty) dictate how the past is presented to the future. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:59, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Frances Todman
On 9 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Frances Todman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Fran Todman, who fundraised for the Retina Foundation for decades, was honored with an electrophysiology laboratory at the Schepens Eye Research Institute being named for her? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Frances Todman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Frances Todman), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Susan B. Anthony II
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Thank you ...
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... for improving articles in February, looking forward to 8 March! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your encouragement Gerda Arendt. Been a tough month, and though I have worked as I could, have moved very little to mainspace, even though I have done a lot in the draft on nationality. Hoping to get a couple of articles moved before the end of the month and that next month is easier. I am almost done with Spanish America, so making progress, but it's a slow and methodical task. SusunW (talk) 13:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, anyway. Slow and methodical: I have two of those right now, one converting the references that Jerome Kohl wrote from (deprecated) harv to sfn (and Klang seemed to take forever), and composer navboxes for opera composers because Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 February 16. I do one article/navbox per day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- Today, we have a DYK about Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt Lovely article. Yes, I was aware. I am glad that you are having flowers and getting to experience them. Here, we always have them, it would be weird not to. I cut a stalk of bananas yesterday and have 3 more blooming. Today, I approved a DYK on a woman and submitted one that I am really hoping will be able to appear for IWD. SusunW (talk) 16:16, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
March 2021 at Women in Red
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Smoke signals
Hey Susun -- I see you've been continuing to add lots of new content to the Women's Nationality article draft, and I just wanted to say that I haven't forgotten about it. I've been a bit busy and fatigued at the same time recently, and I haven't found the energy to do much Wikipedia editing (despite having quite a few projects of interest on my list!). It may just have to wait a few weeks until I'm ready again. Hope you're well, Alanna the Brave (talk) 16:41, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Alanna the Brave Glad to know that you are staying busy, though sorry to hear of your fatigue. No worries, as I said from the beginning, it is not a short-term project. Basically in February I wrote the Spanish countries in the Americas and am moving the material to Fooian nationality law. Just obtained a copy of Fransman's British Nationality Law, so am probably going to tackle those next, but we'll see. Don't know if it will be helpful to you, but the WP Library bundle contains Flournoy's 1929 compilation of nationality laws. There's a section on Canada, which you can access by clicking on the citation. If you can't access it, when you are ready, just let me know and I'm happy to send it to you. SusunW (talk) 17:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Marge Frantz
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DYK for Susan B. Anthony II
On 8 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Susan B. Anthony II, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Susan B. Anthony took British citizenship to avoid testifying before the House Un-American Activities Committee and later spent nine years trying to repatriate? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Susan B. Anthony II. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Susan B. Anthony II), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Magnifico!
A truly magnificent article on the main page on this auspicious day. Great work. Gog the Mild (talk) 01:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild You know it would never have been there had it not been for you nudging me. Thank you for all of your hard work. I truly appreciate you. SusunW (talk) 13:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- I am happy to bask in whatever reflected glory there is going.
- Did you add that gadget? If not, can I again recommend it? Gog the Mild (talk) 15:27, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gog the Mild Which gadget might that be? I am baffled. A gadget to do with this article or one of my gazillion other questions on "how do I..." that I ask of you? SusunW (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- The last . It is easier for you to try than me to explain. Go to Preferences, and under Gadgets tick "XTools: dynamically show statistics about a page's history under the page heading", then "Save" at the bottom. If you don't like what it does [!] you can always untick it. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:33, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- The last
- Gog the Mild Which gadget might that be? I am baffled. A gadget to do with this article or one of my gazillion other questions on "how do I..." that I ask of you? SusunW (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Marge Frantz
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Your GA nomination of Marge Frantz
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Congratulations
Your DYK hook about Susan B. Anthony II and her difficulties with the House Un-American Activities Committee drew 10,015 page views (835 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks for the month of March as shown at Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics#March 2021. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 18:15, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Cbl62 Thank you. I had Yoninah in my mind the entire time I was writing it, trying to figure out how she would craft a hook. I did not know at the time why she was absent, but I believe that those views are a fitting testament to her mentoring. SusunW (talk) 18:24, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- I believe she would be proud. Cbl62 (talk) 18:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Katherine Call Simonds
Having trouble with another one... I can't sort out the year of death for Katherine Call Simonds. If you have some time -and no rush!- hoping you might have better luck. Really appreciate it. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- And just like that, I found it. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Glad you found it. Sorry, was off-line for a bit. This nationality stuff is really hard, but I am making progress. SusunW (talk) 04:30, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
April editathons from Women in Red
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NMAI Native American Women Wikipedia Edit-a-thon
NMAI is hosting a NMAI Native American Women Edit-a-thon on Friday, April 23, from 1:00 pm to 2:30 pm EDT. Pre-registration recommended via Eventbrite. Ahalenia (talk) 19:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Ahalenia
March flowers
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Today: Carmen for TFA (on my request), with Bizet's music "expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" as Brian worded it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Lovely! Thank you for being so steadfast in promoting articles for women's history month. SusunW (talk) 22:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I try, will have one in each set on IWD ;) - I once suggested a woman, article by Wadewitz, for TFA that day, but then they had her on a day related to the author. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- And the day came: thank you - and all who helped - for Women's poll tax repeal movement, "about a little known movement of feminists which occurred between the 1920s and 1960s. Because poll tax as a prerequisite to voting in the US is often viewed as a racist disenfranchisement method, scholarship on women and their activities to abolish the tax has only emerged since the late 1990s."! Let's keep making women known! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Happy women's day Gerda Arendt. I appreciate that you took the reins to have the article featured today. Would not have happened without your organization. I am truly thankful for all that you do to keep making women known. SusunW (talk) 15:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- We try, and some days the results are even obvious: Carmen (an independent woman who died for independence) is mentioned again in a current DYK, and three others operas, two with a women as the title character, and the third one almost, and all begin with M ;) - I received congrats on my talk, feel included! Today's article a woman of course, will grow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- A Bach cantata is now a FA, ... and the first performance was on a Palm Sunday which is today, and Yoninah's obituary with the beginning of Passover today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- I think of her so often. Her presence is definitely missed. Congratulations on your FA. SusunW (talk) 22:30, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Happy women's day Gerda Arendt. I appreciate that you took the reins to have the article featured today. Would not have happened without your organization. I am truly thankful for all that you do to keep making women known. SusunW (talk) 15:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Lovely! Thank you for being so steadfast in promoting articles for women's history month. SusunW (talk) 22:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello
Hello Susun,
I survived another Winter. Hope you are well. :)
--ARoseWolf 14:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Glad to see you are out of winter Tsistunagiska welcome back. SusunW (talk) 15:04, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
For sticking with it!
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Nice to have you back :) GirthSummit (blether) 13:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC) |
- Actually, I think you deserve this barnstar as much as me, Girth Summit. I worked from home for decades, so I know how to troubleshoot, but after the rebooting, checking various browsers, checking various websites, I'm out of ideas. It takes someone else feeding me things to try to figure out the problem, or at least give me something to do until the tron gods decide to quit messing around and restore things by magic. Thank you for spending yesterday with me trying to sort it out. I truly appreciate it. Glad to be back to work. SusunW (talk) 13:44, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hey, I just noticed something while randomly looking at all those articles on your user page (gosh, you've done loads): Margaret Macpherson Grant isn't listed. If that's because you think that it was mostly mine, please think again - I couldn't have done it without you. I mean, I probably could have cobbled together a useful C- or B-class about her, but your input was instrumental, there's no way it would be in the state it's in without the work you did on it.
- (My partner is an academic historian - the 19thC isn't quite in her period, but I'm nevertheless putting the screws on for her to write a book about MMG. If anything ever comes of that, you are front and foremost in the acknowledgments.) GirthSummit (blether) 17:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)