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The Signpost: 29 April 2013

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Wikidata weekly summary #56

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Thanks

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Thanks for moving that template before deletion. I actually intended to create that same subpage and get the code there for use on my userpage. You eased my work. Thanks once again. —Syɛd Шαмiq Aнмɛd Hαsнмi (тαlк) 09:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well thanks for being such a good sport about everything! :) I hate having to ruin people's fun, so it's nice to see someone who can take stuff like this well. Seriously, it's a really cool trick! I've always wanted to find a way to do that. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 09:14, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Better see my page. If someone is telling you not to do a thing or opposes you in something, he has a good reason for that. I better look into his reason than justifying my own view. When I conclude whose view is right, I just follow it, be it mine, or the other’s. This actually does help me make new friends, when I see that their point is right (because it is me who is wrong most of the time). That’s what my parents and my religion teaches me. I just follow it and the result is excellent! —Syɛd Шαмiq Aнмɛd Hαsнмi (тαlк) 09:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi 

&(том)! How are you? Hope perfectly fine and in high spirits! I was really delighted to know that you are 17 too, when I saw your userpage. We can be good friends here (my initial thought was that you are much older—maybe thirty-something?).

Ah! Now, coming to the topic: I just had a small issue... Thought you might be of some help! The problem is that I encountered a French phrase while reading an essay about Louis Pasteur... The sentence read:

“One day, in the Place du Panthéon, seeing a sort of altar labelled ‘Autel de la patrie’, Pasteur placed all his worldly wealth—150 francs.”

Can you please translate the phrase (along with a gloss)? I do not trust machine translations... (And I do not know the ABC of French ☹)

Well, you did not tell me if my previously prescribed technique (here above the line) helped you; Never mind... I just hope you answer this translation request promptly!

P.S.:− A suggestion: Why not archive this page? Has got too lengthy.

Regards... —Шαмıq ☪ тαʟκ✍ @ 09:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Howdy, Syed. Always glad to meet a fellow teenage editor. We get a bad rap, when, if you ask me, we're half of what's keeping this encyclopedia together!
Anyways... Hmm. Autel was a word I wasn't familiar with; however, Wiktionary defines it as "altar (in a church)", which is consistent with the interlanguage links on d:Q101687 (linking to fr:Autel (religion)), so I think that definition is a valid one. As for patrie... that's a word I've encountered, but it's a difficult one to describe precisely. Essentially, it means homeland or Fatherland, but has different connotations in French. (French patriotism is a very complicated subject.) Notably, it's used in La Marsaillaise: "Allons enfants de la Patrie, / Le jour de gloire est arrivé"—which means (and this is a liberal translation, since the literal one doesn't convey the full meaning) "Let us march, children of this nation, / The day of glory has arrived".
So, essentially, autel de la patrie would mean "altar of the homeland", with a certain subtext of cultural heritage. Hope that makes sense.
And yeah. I suck at maintaining my userspace. I'm a horrible procrastinator, but... it is what it is. On a long list of character defects I need to work on someday (oh, the irony!), and, sadly, somewhere near the bottom of that list. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 10:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that helpul explanation! I can atleast know what it meant, now... An advice from a fellow mate: The best solution to the evil of procrastination is to do whatever work you get at its proper time so you do not have the chance of delaying it... Just need a bit of self-control. You should control your habits and desires than letting them control you. I too, had this dreadful habit a couple of years ago. Just took a firm stance against it and now I do not have the fear of facing its dire consequences, I used to have, years ago... Better be immovable by your evils yourself than making your defects irremovable. This is so difficult a thing to do, that in Islam, controlling one’s self is described as the greatest Jihad (here meaning fighting one’s self)... But still, it can be done. The key is to try, try, again and you are bound to succeed. We, young people have got such terrible energies that we can make anything possible. Why not give ot a try? Hope I do not sound like your parents, nagging you.
P.S.: My good name is Wamiq, not Syed (a clan prefix, meaning Sir: I would like to be referred to by Wamiq). I changed my signature to reflect this.—Шαмıq ☪ тαʟκ✍ @ 12:50, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #57

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

The Signpost: 06 May 2013

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Thanks!

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Is that sweet bean!?!
For adding Template:Notavote to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Colbert Busch I give you this Halo-halo. I hadn't even thought of what the brother of the subject of the AfD would say and/or do when the article about his sister is up for review. Hopefully, this doesn't become a controversial AfD and that it can remain civil.

That being said, may this dessert fuel you in your future edits! RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe thanks. How'd you know Southeast Asian's my favorite?! Well I'd personally put Colbert in the category of people who do more good for Wikipedia than bad (like Randall Munroe, who causes vandalism surges but also campaigned for $30k+ in donations to WMF), but yeah... I have a feeling this will make the news within the next few days. No worries, though; while I may disagree with your interpretation of policy, no one should feel discouraged to AFD an article simply because of the reaction it might provoke. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 19:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Victor swanya ogeto

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Thanks for tagging that. Just a quick tip though, if you see a large block of text unwikified like that, its usually an indicator that it might be a copyvio, which in this case it was copied from his FB page. Regardless, keep up the good work :) Legoktm (talk) 22:12, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I did a few Google searches and turned up a page on his website; however, it was 404'ed, as was the Google-cached version, so I figured a G11 would suffice. Stupidly, though, I only searched from the opening sentences of the article, which I've found are often the least likely ones to turn up anything in a Google search. Thanks. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 22:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 13 May 2013

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Wikidata weekly summary #58

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

Pure class

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Atta boy.  little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  06:42, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Qworty

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Hello PinkAmpersand,

Your edit summary said "a real-world individual as opposed to simply as an anonymous contributor". Please be aware that Qworty voluntarily revealed his real world identity and we can now discuss him as a real world individual as opposed to someone anonymous. I also reveal my real world identity - Jim Heaphy - because I take responsibility for my contributions here as I do for everything in my somewhat public life. Feel free to check me out on Google or Facebook. The comments you reverted may be over the top, and I don't question your reversion. I am only questioning your explanation. Qworty has been shown to be a compulsive, repeated liar who has severely damaged Wikipedia's reputation through his many vendettas. He is no longer entitled to any presumption of anonymity whatsoever, in my view.

Though we differ on this specific matter, I appreciate your contributions here, and wish you well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jim. Edit summaries are only so long, and it appears my meaning was stifled. :P To clarify: Yes, obviously when someone chooses to be open about their real-world identity, like you, me, or Qworty, they lose any right to anonymity on Wikipedia. (Barring, to a limited degree, requests to vanish.) Rather, what I took issue with was EEng's invocation of Bob's real-world identity in justifying a ban. It's one thing to say "He's a threat to the site and should be banned", or even "He's a threat to site and can go fuck himself" (uncivil, but not hugely insulting). It's another thing altogether to say "He's a disgrace as an author and as a human being, and here's what I think about his professional career". Normally I'm skeptical when people bring up BLP in regards to Wikipedia contributors, since, of course, we all open ourselves up to a certain degree of criticism when we edit here. However, EEng wasn't talking about Wikipedia, he was talking about real-world things that really shouldn't come into play here. (The real-world-things checklist for Wikipedia editors is selecting "no" for "Are you a pedophile?" and pretty much nothing else.) Was Qworty entitled to any anonmity? No, by his own choice. Was he entitled to the same protections we offer all publicly identified living people? Certainly.
I apologize if any of this seems... strongly-worded. I'm writing much more quickly than I usually do, and I feel that I'm not properly reciprocating the kind tone in your comment. Let me assure you that the sentiment expressed in your latter paragraph is quite mutual. — PinkAmpers&, also known as Thomas H. Kelly ~XV, son of this guy, 06:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Have no fear, as I understand your point completely, and think that you have reciprocated in a kind tone. I don't think we've chatted before, and am pleased that we've started off on a good note. Take care. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:How to Create an ATmega168 Basic Stamp

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Since you were the one who proposed to transwiki the page instead of deleting it outright, my closure of the deletion discussion may be of interest to you erm, yes, I'm informing you because I don't have the slightest idea how to transwiki a page.... Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:15, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. Well, let me go see if I can find a Wikibooks sysop, and if they'll be willing to take it. If they are, just wait for it to show up in b:Special:Log/import, and then you can delete it here and mark it down in Wikipedia:Transwiki log/Articles moved from here/en.wikibooks. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 11:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Posted at b:Wikibooks:Requests for import. The wait time might be a bit longer than you're used to here on WP though. ;) I noted that the reviewing admin/importer should ping you when they make their decision, or {{db-xfd}} it if you're unavailable.
Just be glad you're not on the other side of an import. Arguably the most outdated tool available. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 11:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you (and I have used the import interface here once, and it was more than enough: I was terrified I had messed up...) Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, looks like everything's sorted itself out nicely. (Except for Fzulfe's disappearance—let's hope he keeps on working on the page on Wikibooks.) Copied to b:Transwiki:How to Create an ATmega168 Basic Stamp by QuiteUnusual, and G6'd here by RHaworth. Mind noting it down in the transwiki log? :) (I'd do it, but, it looks the tradition is for the admin to do it, if so obscure a corner of Wikipedia can be said to have traditions.) — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks again! Salvio Let's talk about it! 08:43, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Same pinch

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Refer this User_talk:Dr._Blofeld#Did_you_know_that_DYK_can_change.3F. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 10:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 20 May 2013

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Thank you

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Thank you for correcting the age template at the Scott Thorson article. I got sidetracked and didn't even check the edit. My mistake -- glad you were on top of it! Winkelvi (talk) 05:56, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • No worries. Always nice to see someone who can take a revert with a smile. Btw, if you don't like the unclear age, it would be great if someone could track down a reliable source for the birthdate. I might try my luck on Google in a bit, but I seem to always get lazy when it comes to actually improving articles. :P — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 06:04, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 27 May 2013

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Thank you

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Thanks for taking the time and effort to sift through and accept my edits at Mullingar. As it was I was treading lightly--the article can be cut substantially to change it from a community bulletin board to an encyclopedic entry. But it's a start. Cheers, 99.149.85.229 (talk) 12:36, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE May drive wrap-up

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Hello I Did Not Make A Mistake

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Hey Its Me Shea And I DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE. SheaYayIsDaMaster — Preceding unsigned comment added by SheaYayIsDaMaster (talk • contribs) 17:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kitten

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DO YOU LIKE KITTTENS


SheaYayIsDaMaster (talk) 21:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of tea you say..?

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Here, have one for free! :) ·addshore· talk to me! 10:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
/me Slaps it out of your hands, finds someone to block you. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 10:56, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
=(. MORE! ·addshore· talk to me! 10:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know...

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I'm not partial to being told to "just fucking rephrase" something and I suspect most people feel the same way. Perhaps you could try thinking of a nicer way to say that next time? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you could just fucking rephrase it. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 06:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 12 June 2013

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Thank You

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Hi there! I just wanted to thank you for helping out World Traveller 101, I thought everyone is going to be mean to him or thank the admin for blocking him. What you did there was really appreciated by me. Also you seem to have a Jewish background, well my uncles grandfather was a holocaust survivor, and he fought in the Six DaY War. but seriously Thank you for supporting WT101 --PrabashWhat? 10:54, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jeanne Galzy

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Sources on her and her books are hard to come by, as you can see from the rather pathetic state of Celle qui vint d'ailleurs, for instance. When you run into something, at the library or the used book store, slap it in there right away please, before it's all lost to posterity. Merci, Drmies (talk) 16:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 19 June 2013

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A plate of Dum Aloo for you

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 A plate of Dum Aloo for you
Here is a dish of dum aloo for you. In Bengali, it is called Aloor dum. Dum Aloo is a popular dish in countries of the Indian Subcontinent, specially in India, Bangaldesh. Hope you'll like it. You are doing excellent job in WP:DECEASED. I am following your page protection requests at WP:RFPP
Thank you.

Tito☸Dutta 02:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For more Indian dishes, visit the Kitchen of WikiProject India.

Spellling Eror...

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In your comment at the Signpost, did you mean to write "proven it can be lifted" instead of "proven it can be listed"? Love that Wikiglobe up there, BTW. Very cool. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, "lifted". My bad. Dumb keyboard. And, what, the rainbow globe? Glad someone likes part of this page... the unmaintained state of my userspace has become something of a point of shame for me. :/
BTW, just hovered over your name with Popups, and it said you have 13,999 edits. Congrats on the milestone you're about to hit! (Or that you perhaps already have, depending on how much the Toolserver wants to kill itself today.) — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:15, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Raul's list

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I am uncertain of its status and validity, as Raul has not edited for some time, but apparently it consists of:

Hope this is of help.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:18, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, the "list" is only in Raul's head and that's the only article, apparently. Speaking of Raul, why do we pretend he's still FA director? He hasn't edited since Feb 2013 and hasn't done much at all for a year. What a charade, so why do we care what his "rules" are? PumpkinSky talk 00:21, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nelson Mandela

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Thanks for the appropriate edit summary. Learn something today. Hope you have a good week. Cheers, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 03:48, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE June/July 2013 events

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Random

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Hi! I would agree with you over here that Indian articles are horrible and better editors are needed. But a smaller admin pool does really adversely affect. And the promotion of the area as highly controversial doesn't help much. There are many other topics too which can be worked on without much fuss. But that doesn't happen do to these poor presentation. If you really wish and have interest in it, i could suggest you some geographical topics like cities, or monuments where you can help. Of course, its upto you.
On a different note, i am now seeing that i have left a message on your talk page before also. I had forgotten about it. I would also want to change the current DYK pattern into NOW (New on Wikipedia). But i can't seem to gather any like minded people. The discussion that i linked to in my first post is now archived here. Let me know if you are still interested in pursuing this. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Hello, Tamzin. You have new messages at OrangesRyellow's talk page.
Message added 18:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

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2012 SCOTUS opinion list

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Hi, I appreciate your wanting to help on this, but please let me finish it. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Did I do something wrong? I tried to follow the template documentation to the letter. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 16:52, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, you did well on the table code, so kudos on that, but you listed the new opinions out of order, didn't update the statistics, and didn't update the accessdate for the reference. postdlf (talk) 16:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, okay. I was aware that the statistics were out of date, but figured I'd leave that for someone else to update (as indeed you have). It's just that I'm not quote sure what you mean by "but please let me finish it". The way I read that is that you think I shouldn't have edited the article without your say-so; I certainly hope that that implication is unintentional. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 17:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Edit conflicting with you while I tried to fix and finish it and you were making one change per edit would've just wasted both of our times. postdlf (talk) 17:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 26 June 2013

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The Signpost: 03 July 2013

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Well, I'm inspired

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Thanks for your snarky edit summary at Petroleum County. As the reviewer you just attacked, I'd like to point out that the DYK criteria has no requirement for sparkling prose, you seem to be confusing it with the GA criteria. I held that article for weeks to get stuff sourced. I'm so inspired to submit my own articles to DYK if the QPQ is this much of a minefield. Montanabw(talk) 18:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Call me a purist, but I don't think we should be putting anything on the main page with that bad a lede. Especially when you consider that the problematic sentence was the one explaining the fact used in the DYK hook. Now, mind you, I've never worked on DYK; I'm just your average Wikipedian who reads the main page from time to time, and in this case found the hook interesting. If there's nothing in the DYK criteria requiring competently written sentences (not "sparkling prose", just a basic standard of readability), then, if you ask me, that's a bug, not a feature.
I'm sorry that I've offended you, but bad writing linked from the main page is bad for Wikipedia. It makes us look unprofessional. It would've taken you less than a minute to fix the writing there. I don't deny that you helped make the encyclopedia better by adding sources and expanding the article, but I don't think a quick copyedit would've been too much to ask. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 03:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your honesty about being an "average wikipedian" and encourage you to do some DYK reviews. In my case, I've created over 160 articles and nominated or co-nomed about 30 DYKs, all of which required myself or the co-nominator to review someone else's. I also have multiple GA and FA-class articles, so I've been there and done all that. This article's lead had issues, sure, but none serious enough to deny a DYK nod. Once on the main page, several others (possibly including yourself?) quickly made further improvements. If you don't review DYKs, then you don't understand the reviewer's role. For one thing, we ourselves are usually in the middle of our OWN DYK assessment at the same time. In my case, I also had two FACs and was doing a peer review, on top of the 3000+ articles on my watchlist, of which 40 or 50 a day have edits that need to be checked. The reviewer asks the nominating editors to fix things, and if they don't, it slows down approval. This article had languished for a couple of weeks. I actually HAD already fixed several minor things on that article, which is not even the reviewer's job -- if a reviewer does too much rewriting personally, they are no longer a reviewer, they are in "involved" editor and thus someone ELSE has to come in and complete the review, which slows things down more. (The DYK promoter also promoted the wrong hook with the worst grammar, which also irritated me but was beyond my control) I asked the editors to do some cleanup and they did quite a bit, actually. But then, I think they started to feel discouraged, so myself and another editor stepped in to hit the last few obvious barriers to DYK approval. I skirted pretty close to the edge of involved as it was. It isn't the reviewer's job to rewrite an article for people, and I made a judgement call about promoting it with my minor involvement when the editors got discouraged about what I was asking of them. Here, I think WP:BITE applied more than endless nitpicking. Montanabw(talk) 19:00, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template request

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The general response: I'm generally quite uncomfortable about leaving high visibility templates unprotected - yes, it's "only" 800 transclusions, but those 800 cover every article on a major language, several of which have four-figure daily readership! I'd love it if we had a better approach to this problem, but we don't; if someone is deliberately trying to do complex vandalism, semiprotection is a bit of a thin guard.

The specific response: I've unprotected it. If you let me know when you're done, I'll reprotect... Andrew Gray (talk) 22:31, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds/Evidence

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Hello PinkAmpersand, when you comment on arbitration cases, please avoid making edit summaries such as this one. The "or in honesty" bit is unacceptable and, if repeated, will result in sanctions. Salvio Let's talk about it! 20:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Salvio. I'm very sorry about that. I've had something of a bad day, but that's not really an excuse, and I absolutely know better. I might ask, though, why you removed my comment; surely an inappropriate edit summary (which I agree it was) doesn't warrant the removal of the comment that it accompanied? I suppose removing my comment wouldn't be an unfair punishment, but I do think it's kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I tried to present a legitimate challenge to a statement of Kiefer's that I felt was intentionally misrepresenting an alleged conversation; if there's any way you think I could rephrase it to make it clear that I'm just trying to refute his point (i.e., that I'm not trying to stir up trouble needlessly), I'd love to hear it. Thanks, and my apologies once again. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 21:17, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Because "A implies A OR B", the nastiness in "or in honesty" was logically vacuous, although rhetorically nasty. The clear "intentionally misrepresenting" was worse. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:51, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Erm, now I'll end up with egg on my face, but that's not something I had noticed; now that Kiefer mentions it, of course, he's right. However, your edit has not been removed on account of either your edit summary or the "intentionally misrepresenting" bit; I'm not at liberty to divulge the reason, but please do understand that there is a good reason and don't restore it. Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Civil rhetoric is economical and relevant. Salvio was right to object to the "or honesty", which should be mentioned only if there is a serious concern with dishonesty. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A response in several parts:
  • I've already said I agree that the edit summary was inappropriate, Kiefer. I do apologize for my incivility toward you. Impolite disagreements far outnumber polite ones here these days, and I very much regret that I've contributed to that trend; I should have been able to express my objections without attacking your character.
  • @Salvio: Oh, okay. Lucky for you, then, that you're talking to perhaps the only member of the community who's perfectly fine with the "We can't talk about why we did it, and we can't talk about why we can't talk about it" line. Thanks for clearing that up. Don't worry, I shan't speak of it again. That said, if the reason it was removed had anything to do with the privacy or dignity of another user, I feel like shit, and I guess that's yet another thing I have to apologize for; please pass on my apologies if that is the case.
  • Respectfully, I don't think I crossed a line in accusing him of intentionally misrepresenting evidence. He made a very serious allegation about something Ironholds had said, and I think I was able to provide a strong argument that it would be impossible for him to have read the logs in question and to have honestly drawn that conclusion. Isn't that the whole point of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? I mean, if someone deliberately takes something someone else said out of context, and uses it as the backing for what would otherwise be considered a gross personal attack, doesn't another user have the right to call it what it is?
  • As I said above, I'm perfectly willing to abide by your decision to remove my comment, but might I request that the relevant section in Kiefer's evidence be removed as well? If you need a more in-depth explanation of why I think it's a misrepresentation, I'll happily email the Committee.
— PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 23:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Salvio. — PublicAmpers&(main account • talk • block) 16:14, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ampersand,
There was no misrepresentation. He wrote what I said he did.
That comment was minor compared to his other comments, many of which were made about public women, e.g. Jennifer Aniston, Sharon Osbourne, etc.
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Apology

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In your evidence, you may have wanted to link to this comment, rather than apparent irrelevancies. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:01, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I guess the moral of the story is that I suck at any software other than MediaWiki. (I've always found phpBB especially maddening.) Anyways, thanks for providing the assistance. Thanks also for all the Watchmen references lately... I may have to go watch that movie a third time. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 15:18, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I've added your name to User:TheOriginalSoni/languages

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Hi,

I wanted to inform you that I'm creating a list of foreign language speaking editors, so that others find it much more easier to locate editors who speak a given language. It should be particularly useful to help deal with ESL editors and to help translate sources in other languages.

I've added your name to the list, showing you as active and willing to help with translations. I hope you don't mind this addition. Please feel free to make any changes you like to this list, as well as use this list for any purposes required. :)

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Rejection of the Arbitration case request

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The Arbitration case request in which you were named as a party to has been declined by the arbitration committee. I note that arbitrators could not agree on whether you were the correct person to bring this case forward. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 17:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you'll have better luck next time, Pink. Let me know when you start the RCF/U. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible spam

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Hi there; I suspect that you are talking about an e-mail purporting to have come from me asking for a loan to get me back home from Manila. My contact list was recently hacked, and that message sent to, as far as I can determine, every person on my contact list. you were there because of our interaction some long time ago. It does not otherwise relate to, or impinge on, Wikipedia. This is a fairly common scam, and I am aware of two other people who have told me (verbally) of the same thing happening to them. I have changed my passwords and security questions, and there is no further risk over and above the risk run by any internet user. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 20:53, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For additional clarification (if needed) it was my ordinary e-mail which was hacked, not my Wikipedia mail. There is no suggestion that this account has been (or could be) compromised. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 16:06, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for spotting that I had italicized Bradley Manning. :) SlimVirgin (talk) 18:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Be more careful. -- tariqabjotu 15:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So sorry. After 8 edit conflicts, I pretty much was just trying to get the edit to save—and then found I had a meeting to go to right after I posted it, before I could check to make sure I hadn't deleted anything. — PublicAmpers&(main account • talk • block) 15:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm continuing this from Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Rcsprinter123 2, since that discussion is becoming less about the candidate and more just a back-and-forth between us.

I did read your oppose, and I've just read it again. Unfortunately, simply referring to "unpleasant interactions" does not help me evaluate your oppose, since I don't know what these interactions even are, which leaves me with only the April Fool's deletion requests. Additionally, if that is the most notable example of him unpleasantly interacting with you, then I must conclude that all the other examples of behavior are even more minor. Thus, I don't see anything at all to oppose over in that regard since the April Fool's deletion requests are an entirely frivolous matter. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey there,

I'm actually not quite sure what popup users are. I'm mainly asking because, well, it's always good to find out about these things if you're going to write a Tech report, because there are some quiet weeks, and those weeks are good times to cover lesser-known features, or how to cater for any special user needs. Adam Cuerden (talk) 06:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) They're users who use WP:POPUPS. The nopopups class means that popups don't show when hovering over the link. ~HueSatLum 13:05, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey PinkAmpersand. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 22:06, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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For 10 points, spot the incongruity in the following sentence: "I pray that someday the community will have the sense to forbid the drama-whoring that goes on in these things, to require that discussion of serious issues be polite and measured." You have 30 seconds, starting now. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(What is...) Well, it looks silly when you put it that way. ;) I assume you're referring to my use of "do as I say, not as I do"? Yeah, probably something I should avoid. Normally I try to keep my cool in discussions like this. Sometimes I fail. I'd happily accept a wiki where losing your cool could get you in trouble. If I had any serious reason to fear that, I would just not edit when I'm in a bad mood. (To be clear, my mood's not influencing my points... just the way I express them.) So yes, I do acknowledge that I'm breaking my own proposed rule, but I think my point stands. (Seriously, though, thank you for pointing that out to me. I'll readily admit this is just a skill I haven't mastered, but a reminder is always helpful.) — PublicAmpers&(main account • talk • block) 22:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've done my share of being too aggressive, and I've done my share of asking everyone to act like grownups. But what caught my eye was that it looked like you'd managed to do both in the same sentence. :) --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: your comment regarding my edits on Better Call Saul

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Please direct your attention to the article talk page. Chunk5Darth (talk) 06:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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My user page

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Hi PinkAmpersand, I just got a notification that you "reviewed" my user page... what does that mean and why was it necessary? Thanks, Demon Cat >:3 (meow!) 10:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Demon Cat: Oh, hi. It just means that I clicked a button saying that your userpage isn't vandalism, spam, or otherwise problematic. Anyone who's been here for more than four days, and has made more than 10 edits, can do this for new pages (that they haven't created themselves). You'll get notifications like that any time a page you create is patrolled; this matters more for articles than for pages in your userspace. If you don't care, you can turn off the option in your preferences. I was only looking at your userpage, by the way, because I was catching up on the matter you posted about on AN/I. I'm sorry that you had an unfriendly welcome here, and I assure you the community will deal with that user if they continue to be a problem. Keep up the good work. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 20:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation. I think maybe the notification should link to what patrolled means! :) No worries about the welcome, I have edited as an IP for a little while before registering so have seen people being a bit... special... in the past. See you round! Demon Cat >:3 (meow!) 13:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I think adding these links where there is no English Wikipedia article is a good idea. However, it's a hassle when you do this by using different "ill" templates. The reason is that these lists tend to get disorganized: editors don't add stuff in alphabetic order; they don't correctly use en-dashes rather than hyphens; where there is an English article, it doesn't have the {{botanist}} template when it should. So I have some off-line tools that I use every now and then to go through the lists and fix these issues. It's much harder to parse the lists now that they are littered with different "ill" templates. Can I suggest that you stick to "ill-WD"? Peter coxhead (talk) 13:16, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the different {{ill}} templates are annoying. Ideally, we'd be able to have one Lua-based template that does it all, where you'd just punch in a Q# and it would return the links in the proper syntax, and if there are too many (the cutoff would probably be 4 or 5), it would link to Wikidata instead. Instead, we've got the current situation where we have to pick templates as the circumstances require, which can definitely be quite awkward (especially because {{ill2}} is a pretty ugly template). When I created {{ill-WD}}, I intended it for cases where there were more than three or four links, but that's just my personal preference; from checking the transclusions from time to time, I know that User:Alex Bakharev likes to use it even when there's only one link, which I certainly have no objection to... It all comes down to editorial discretion, and what is felt to be in the reader's best interest. Which is all a roundabout way of saying that if you feel the readers are best off with us only using one template, then sure, let's discuss this. The way I see it, we have a trade-off between a somewhat more straightforward template (if I may so toot my own horn), and making our readers take an extra click for something that may not reward them ("Oh, 'other languages'? I wonder if they have something in <my obscure language>. Nope. Well, that was a waste of a click."). And then there's the matter of your cleanup programs. I hope you don't mind my opining that that should be a secondary concern (putting the reader first and all that jazz), but I do understand the difficulties the multiple templates create.

It seems to me that this would be better decided by the page's editor at large. Shall I raise this on the talk page? — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 12:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, let's continue the discussion there. (As an aside, I'm not at all sure that the other language links are much use to readers – my strong impression is that the overwhelming majority of readers of the English Wikipedia are monolingual (most are American after all!). It's more likely to be of use to editors who want to create an English article.) Peter coxhead (talk) 13:11, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

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[NORP] thought I'd stopped that edit from going through - obviously not. --Antiqueight confer 08:36, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. It's fine, happens. I've found that the "save" button is very... sticky. Basically even if you tap it for a second and press "stop" on your browser immediately, the edit winds up going through. Which is good, I suppose, since the alternative would be losing more edits. Personally, I check my contributions fairly frequently, just because the "(current)" feature is an easy way to look out for cases where someone might have had a problem with my edits, or replied to me in a conversation; I find this much easier than using my watchlist. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 08:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I saw that you just received the protected template editor userright. Are there any full protected templates that you'd like to edit? Let me know and I'll downgrade the protection so you can do so. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I'm sure I'll think of others, but it would be kind of cool if you could lower the protection on {{pp-meta}} {{pp-template}}, so I can update them for the new kind of protection (once we settle on a lock color, and pending discussion, of course). Oh, and {{Documentation}} too, I guess, since it has an embedded pp-template. Meta, right? — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 16:23, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, took are of those three. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:48, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Jianhui67,Equazcion, PinkAmpersand impressive work pulling together Wikipedia:Template editors in very short order SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello PinkAmpersand, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Peter Barr, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:47, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that the above message was delivered with a script, but I feel it worth noting that it's rather condescending... "You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages"? I have them more-or-less memorized, which is part of why I have a 95%+ success rate last I checked. And did you see what the article looked like when I tagged it? The definition of "no assertion of importance." — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 05:52, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry about seeming to be condescending. The article when you tagged it did include a reference to a page about the subject of the article in the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography, which to me is an indication of importance. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:55, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding an "ill" template to a line in the relevant List of botanists pages is, as I've already said, useful and you've given editors a chance to comment. Adding such links to taxoboxes is, I think, a different issue and should be raised in a number of places first, at the least at WP:TOL, WP:PLANTS and WP:ANIMALS, since potentially a very large number of articles could have such templates added. Peter coxhead (talk) 12:19, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An issue I've just noticed that applies to any placement of "ill" links is that {{ill2}} doesn't use #ifexist so it's not really the same kind of template as {{ill}} and {{ill-WD}}. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've now created {{illm}} which is the equivalent of {{ill2}} but does test for the existence of the primary link. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:58, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Re [1] -- actually obesity is more of a problem now. NE Ent 23:09, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Iowa needs to be pink. Republican Chuck Grassley voted against it. CTF83! 00:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Fixed. Thanks for catching that! I still always forget which one even is Iowa. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:51, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Nightscream. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Nightscream/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 29, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Nightscream/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Rschen7754 10:59, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Walter White (Breaking Bad)#Real life meth dealer named Walter White. Chunk5Darth (talk) 12:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Chunk5Darth: Pardon me, but on what basis are you soliciting my input here? I don't recall commenting on that talk page ever. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 13:16, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies if this is a disturbance, I thought I saw your name on the article's edit history. Chunk5Darth (talk) 17:13, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for helping me with the dude that is having a vandal party on my userpage. Wish an admin would get around to blocking him but *shrugs* whatever. Thanks so much Nightenbelle (talk) 01:23, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, no problem. You beat me to a couple reverts on the amateur boxing article, so I thought I'd chip in. Nice to see that it's been taken care of now. It's always hard to find an admin on a holiday, but hey, you get to drive your edit count up a bit. ;) Anyways, happy New Year's, and happy vandal-hunting! — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 01:59, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I copied part of an American interState Govt website, thinking (correctly) that it was in the public domain, but it was speedily deleted recently. Your username is attached to the deletion on my talk page. (Mang (talk) 22:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)) I believe that the article should exist, even if without the contentious content. Can you help me recover the article? If need be, i can selectively eliminate parts that are proven infringing.[reply]

@Namangwari: Well, as to the copyright, could you please provide a link from the website stating that its content is in the public domain? I don't believe that the works of interstate compacts are considered public domain by default (since they're not run by the federal government).
If that content isn't in the public domain, then yes, there's the option of restoring the article without the text you copied. Though I'd note that the only other text in the article had been copied from the probation article, so, if you want the article restored, you really should write something original. (I don't know if there's explicitly a policy on that, but consider it my strong advice as a fellow editor.)
If that content is in the public domain, then the article can probably be restored; however, something a little odd happened here. While I nominated the page for deletion under speedy deletion criterion G12 (copyright infringement), it was deleted under criterion G10 (attack page or negative unsourced BLP) by the responding administator, User:Bbb23. Bbb is a very good administrator, so instead of trying to guess his reasoning there, I'll just invite him to do so himself.
Anyways, Bbb is the one with whom you'll want to clear up the G12/G10 issues. I'm not an admin, so I couldn't restore the article if I wanted to. Hope this helps. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 22:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The March 2014 backlog elimination drive is a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles in need of copyediting. The drive begins on March 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and ends on March 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Our goals are to copyedit all articles tagged in December 2012 and January 2013 and to complete all requests placed in January 2014. Barnstars will be awarded to anyone who copyedits at least one article, and special awards will be given to the top five in the following categories: number of articles, number of words, number of articles over 5,000 words, number of articles tagged in December 2012 and January 2013 and the longest article. We hope to see you there!

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An RfC that you may be interested in...

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As one of the previous contributors to {{Infobox film}} or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been a RfC started on the talk page as to implementation of previously deprecated parameters. Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!

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Vimeo - Errors - Messages - Offensive - Major Bummer

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Being gay, suggest you follow the cite, as in non-usanian english, it is homophobic. Certainly not suitable for displaying to minors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.16.203 (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3

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Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:22, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, just letting you know that you still have the vacation template on the top of your user and user talk pages. Sven Manguard Wha? 23:32, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Guild of Copy Editors March 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up newsletter
The March 2014 drive wrap-up is now ready for review.
Sign up for the April blitz!

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Guild of Copy Editors March 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up

Participation: Thanks to all who participated in the drive and helped out behind the scenes. 42 people signed up for this drive and 28 of these completed at least one article. Final results are available here.

Progress report: Articles tagged during the target months of December 2012 and January 2013 were reduced from 177 to 33, and the overall backlog was reduced by 13 articles. The total backlog was 2,902 articles at the end of March. On the Requests page during March, 26 copy edit requests were completed, all requests from January 2014 were completed, and the length of the queue was reduced by 11 articles.

Blitz!: The April blitz will run from April 13–19, with a focus on the Requests list. Sign up now!

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April blitz wrap-up and May copyediting drive invitation

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Guild of Copy Editors April 2014 Blitz wrap-up

Participation: Out of 17 people who signed up for this blitz, eight copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: During the seven-day blitz, we removed 28 articles from the requests queue. Hope to see you at the May drive! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Miniapolis and Baffle gab1978.

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GOCE June 2014 newsletter

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Guild of Copy Editors May 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up

Participation: Thanks to all who participated! Out of 51 people who signed up this drive, 33 copy edited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: We reduced our article backlog from 2,987 articles to 2,236 articles in May, the lowest backlog total since we began keeping records in 2009! Since at least 300 new articles were tagged during May, that means we copy edited over 1,000 articles in a single month. Amazing work, everyone!

Blitz: The June blitz will run from June 15–21. This blitz's theme is Politics. Sign up here.

Election: You can nominate yourself or others for the role of Coordinator for the second half of 2014 here. Nominations will be accepted until June 14. Voting will begin on June 15 and will conclude on June 28.

Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, and Miniapolis.

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GOCE July 2014 newsletter

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Guild of Copy Editors July 2014 newsletter is now ready for review. Highlights:

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A bowl of strawberries for you!

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I see you are still around, occasionally. I hope you have a wonderful August. Drmies (talk) 04:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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GOCE July drive and August blitz

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Guild of Copy Editors July 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up

Participation: Thanks to everyone who participated in the July drive. Of the 40 people who signed up this drive, 22 copy edited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: We reduced our article backlog from 2400 articles to 2199 articles in July. This is a new month-end record low for the backlog. Nice work, everyone!

Blitz: The August blitz will run from August 24–30. The blitz will focus on articles from the GOCE's Requests page. Awards will be given out to everyone who copy edits at least one of the target articles. The blitz will run from August 24–30. Sign up here!

Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, and Miniapolis.

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GOCE October 2014 newsletter

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Guild of Copy Editors October 2014 newsletter is now ready for review. Highlights:

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GOCE coordinator elections

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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors
Candidate nominations for Guild coordinators to serve from January 1 to June 30, 2015, are currently underway. The nomination period will close at 23:59 on December 15 (UTC), after which voting will commence until 23:59 on December 31, 2014. Self-nominations are welcomed. Please consider getting involved; it's your Guild and it won't coordinate itself, so if you'd like to help coordinate Guild activities we'd love to hear from you.

Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, and Miniapolis.
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December 2014 GOCE newsletter

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Guild of Copy Editors December 2014 Newsletter

Drive: Thanks to everyone who participated in November's Backlog Elimination Drive. Of the 43 people who signed up for this drive, 26 copy edited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: The November Drive removed 26 requests from the Requests page and 509 articles from the {{copy edit}} backlog. We copy edited 83 articles tagged in the target months; July, August, and September 2013. Together with tag removals from articles unsuitable for copy editing, we eliminated July 2013 from the backlog and reduced August and September's tags to 61 and 70 respectively. As of 01:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC), the backlog stood at 1,974 articles, dipping below 2,000 for the first time in the Guild's history (see graph at right). Well done everyone!

Blitz: The December Blitz will run from December 14–20 and will focus on articles related to Religion, in recognition of this month's religious holidays in much of the English-speaking world. Awards will be given out to everyone who copy edits at least one of the target articles. Sign up here!

Election time again: The election of coordinators to serve from 1 January to 30 June 2015 is now underway. Candidates can nominate themselves or others from December 01, 00:01 (UTC), until December 15, 23:59. The voting period will run from December 16, 00:01 (UTC), until December 31, 23:59. You can read about coordinators' duties here. Please consider getting involved and remember to cast you vote—it's your Guild and it doesn't organize itself!

Thank you all once again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve anything without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, and Miniapolis.

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GOCE holiday 2014 newsletter

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Guild of Copy Editors Late December 2014 Newsletter

Blitz: Thanks to everyone who participated in the December Blitz. Of the 14 editors who signed up for the blitz, 11 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

January drive: The January backlog-reduction drive is just around the corner; sign up here!

Election time again: The election of coordinators to serve from January 1 to June 30, 2015 is now underway. The voting period runs from December 16, 00:01 (UTC), until December 31, 23:59. Please cast your vote—it's your Guild, and it doesn't run itself!

Happy holidays from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978 and Miniapolis.

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GOCE 2014 report

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Guild of Copy Editors 2014 Annual Report
Our 2014 Annual Report is now ready for review.

Highlights:

  • Summary of Drives, Blitzes, and the Requests page;
  • Review the election results;
  • Membership news;
  • Changes around the Guild's pages;
  • Plans for 2015.
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