User talk:TerminalPreppie/Archive2007

Arke Stadion Image

Hi Sir,

Why did you delete the Arke Stadion image while I got permission and inserted the source: www.fcthengelo.nl? The page where this image was present is at the 'Arke Stadion' page.

Could you explain this to me?

Thanks!

-- Ultras GE 15:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The website claims copyright. The burden is on you to prove permission. ccwaters 15:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Whiteboard pinball deletion

Can you tell me why you nominated Whiteboard pinball for deletion?

Cheers, Jason7825 14:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• I told Jason why his game was deleted. Guy (Help!) 15:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Vehiculat homicide AfD

I have nominated Vehicular homicide for deletion. You can comment on the subject at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vehicular homicide -- Donald Albury 17:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Mirror sites

Thank you for clueing me into that category. Obviously, no point in keeping it in that one article, then... and I see you removed it already. Kudos. Wahkeenah 18:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

NP. ccwaters 18:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Image sources and copyright notifications

When you tag an image as {{subst:nld}} or {{subst:nsd}}, please remember to notify the uploader of the photo of the tag as specified on the templates you add (it says on there, please notify uploader with: XXX). This makes them aware of the issue. Thanks, Metros232 17:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. -Mz55 19:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Argument against Yan Stastny being American despite intl. play

You might want to look at this. I tried explaining things to the user; I'm not sure if he/she fully understands the rules for international play and how citizenship ties into it. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 01:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Length of residence? Ummm... I'm not aware of any residency requirements either. I agree completely with your "Essentially he pledged his American nationality to the hockey world, hence the US flag on Bruins roster" statement; that's what I was trying to tell that user as well.. Did I do a bad job of it? Because I'd like to know if I did. The Francis Bouillon example I gave that user is an example of that, as he was offered to play for the US despite being raised in Canada. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 00:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

WPT & WPP

Hello, Ccwaters. Thought you might like to add comments, to my compromise proposals on the two Project pages. I'm trying to end the diacriticals debate/dispute in a compromise. GoodDay 23:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

John Stevens

Whoops, my mistake. I misinterpreted it. Go ahead revert. [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Averross (talk • contribs) 15:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Impersonation LOL

Wknight93+1 (talk · contribs)? That's fantastic. Thanks for the laugh! :) —Wknight94 (talk) 18:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

NHL Euro/Frech Canadian player bio articles

Hello, Ccwaters. Thought you might want to see Krm500's compromise, at my page. I think it's a good compromise. GoodDay 23:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Chris Nielsen

There's currently a suggestion that the categories such as "Canadian ice hockey players" should only be applied to birthplace and not international play over at Chris Nielsen. Feel free to jump in. (My suggestion would be to include BOTH birthplace and international play for such categories, like how it's done on Dany Heatley.) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 23:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Update: I posted an inquiry at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Category structure. The user who is intent on using birthplace ONLY for nationality categories is User:Djsasso. I keep adding in edit summaries that birthplace doesn't always equal nationality, but he seems to be insisting upon the opposite. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 00:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Besides the inquiry at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Category structure, I posted on the user's talkpage regarding this. Basically I'm pointing out that the Wikiproject format pages say the categories are for "nationality" and not "birthplace." -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 17:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it's been resolved. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 18:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators

Hello Ccwaters. Your edit comment says "the article clearly points to the other franchise's article and separates the histories of the 2" and I agree with you 100%. The fact is that over and over again, newbie "editors" have in that space listed the Stanley Cups won by the original team, and so, to fix the page, repeatedly these Cups have had to subsequently be deleted. (For examples, see newbie edits on Sept. 28 by 74.104.50.229, and Dec. 18 by 74.101.42.232, and Dec. 23 & 24 by 159.53.110.142, and Dec. 24 by 159.53.46.141.) In the last two weeks, however, the article has stated that the Cups are for the current (not original) team, and this has eliminated the problem of people listing the Cups in error on the current team's page. Okay, I won't undo your edit, but let's see how long it will be before some well-intentioned editor adds something like this for Stanley Cups won: "1909, 1910, 1911, 1920, 1921, 1923, 1927." I hope I am wrong, but time will tell. All the best, Que-Can 15:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I added a hidden comment in that template field. Hopefully that will deter the "newbies". I'm really not that concerned with those sporadic edits, there are plenty of other things that need "maintaining" more often (Czechoslovakia as birthplace instead of Czech Republic and Slovakia, etc). ccwaters 16:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant solution! If I see other repeated errors, I may employ a hidden comment. It won't stop vandalism, but it should help prevent the innocent editing mistakes. Thanks! Que-Can 16:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Anze Kopitar

I see that you changed Kopitar's place of birth from Jesenice, Slovenia, to Jesenice, Yugoslavia. Please note that the previous version was not incorrect either since Slovenia was a constituent republic within Yugoslavia at the time of his birth. In other words, "Jesenice, Slovenia" is just as correct when talking about the 1980s as, say, "Phoenix, Arizona" or "Glasgow, Scotland" is correct in a present-day context. Slovenia didn't simply emerge out of thin air but has been around as a state since 1945. Because of this, and in the absence of a better alternative, I'm changing his place of birth to "Jesenice, Slovenia, then a part of Yugoslavia"WorldWide Update 19:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Team_pages_format#Birth_places. ccwaters 19:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Gee, this link explains everything. And I thought that Slovenia was one of Yugoslavia's constituent republics. Silly me! Thank you so much for alerting me to my folly. I now know that no such thing as Slovenia existed before 1991 and that Kopitar is merely an ethnic Slovenian, who has nothing to do with the country of Slovenia. You learn something new every day! But, look, what did I just find: So many articles about sporting figures (ignoring hundreds of people in other categories) that mention Slovenia as the place-of-birth, even though they were born before 1991! Gosh, isn't it too bad that there are so many vandals here on Wikipedia spreading misinformation like that? Maybe you will have enough time to fix these articles and explain to other Wikipedians that these are actually Yugoslav-born players who have nothing to do with Slovenia. After all, if the people of WikiProject Ice Hockey say so, it must be true! A short sampling: Denis Zvegelj, Iztok Čop, Rok Petrovič, Martin Strel, Peter Mankoč, Sasha Vujačić, Branko Oblak, Zlatko Zahovič, Luka Spik, Uroš Slokar, Sašo Ožbolt, Erazem Lorbek, Primož Brezec, Goran Dragić, Mitja Kunc ...but there are so many more! Of course, a few articles do mention Yugoslavia as well, but then spoil it all by putting Slovenia before Yugoslavia. This will take hours of work! WorldWide Update 21:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Syracuse Crunch vs Rochester Americans

OK, I see your pov point about listing Rochester as their main rival. I didn't elaborate as to why they are rivals, my fault...

...But, if there is a problem listing rivals all together then I shouldn't have seen the bridgeport/hartford rivalry on the bridgeport page when i put a new team template on their page.

Sleek and stylish I may say. What do you think? Mrsteak613 02:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem with "rival" listings is that they tend to expand until every other team in the division is included. Being a "rival" is subjective (POV). I'd say Rochester is a rival of Binghamton, but that's because of my experiences at the BCVMA in the late 80ies/ early 90ies. Anyway, rivalry listings were a huge source of conflict in the NHL articles, so we did away with them. If the rivalrie you propose are truely worth mentioning, work them into the article with reference to back them up. ccwaters 13:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

New AHL Team Lake Erie Monsters

OK I saw the article on the ahl website on the new cleveland ahl franchise the Lake Erie Monsters and decided to start the page. I may have jumped the gun. I saw their logo but didn't include it yet. I did not know if it was my place to do it, so I didn't. What do you think? The Introduction Is Here Mrsteak613 21:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Jumped the gun? No. I'm going home. I'll grab the logo in the morning if you do know how. I'm not a fan of regional names, but the logo is acceptable. ccwaters 21:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Lake Placid Roamers

See these links for the Lake Placid Roamers.

• [2].
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Flibirigit 07:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

==WPT&WPTT== Hello, ccwaters. I've only now become aware of there being in existance a membership in WikiProject Ice Hockey. Because of my ignorance, I may have created a huge mistake on the WikiProject Ice Hockey page. I've removed the 'restrictive guideline' concerning HHoF members to NHL team articles, because of consensus calling for it's removal. Also I've added a new guideline 'Honored Members' which is showcased at the 'New Jersey Devils' article ('Honored Members' addition as guideline was added due to majority opinon). I'm not entirely sure if I've handled these situations correctly (since I've brought about these consensus). Since I'm not a member of WikProject Ice Hockey (didn't know 'til now, such a membership existed), I may have overstepped my authority is these matters. Could you please review the changes called for at WPTT & changes made at WPT? Thank you. Please feel free to revert any edits, I've may have made erroneusly at the WikiProject Ice Hockey team page. GoodDay 21:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC) :I've reversed my edits, as they may have been invalid. GoodDay 21:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Peoria rivermen ihl 200x200.png)

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Category:Cities on the Susquehanna River

Your not the first person to ask me this question. My only answer is that the proper usage for the name designation of Cities in the category, is used as a universal designation across Wikipedia. See Category:River cities for listings of over Cities along other Rivers. Not all geographic regions of the United States and the world in general, use cities to define major population centers. Pennsylvania, for instance, is quite different from NY, in that there are multiple overlapping municipal entities. So while I understand your issue as it pertains to Administrative divisions of New York (and may agree with it to some point), in keeping with the overall presentation on Wikipedia, the term Cities along the ## River is used throughout. I hope that gives you some guidance. Wrightchr 16:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from; however, the Mississippi may be a bad example of the statement I'm trying to convey. It may include all cities, as you pointed out, but only at the reservation of an editor to add other communities to it. If you examine the Potomac and the Volga for instance, you will notice many of the listings are planned communities, towns, and other incorporated or unincorporated communities. In fact, by the specific criteria you are suggesting, the article List of cities and towns along the Susquehanna River would be invalid for almost all of the PA communities listed, because there is only one true "town" in Pennsylvania...that being Bloomsburg. The point I would like to make is that for uniformity, all the categories are named "Cities along the ## River", rather than making a different title for each geographic region along a specific river system. For instance, for PA it would have to be "List of cities, towns, and boroughs along the Susquehanna River"...which would be proper and correct, but overall a mess if you applied the same naming conventions to every geographic area along every river system throughout the world. That is why "Cities" is designated to represent all communities along a river system throughout the entire category. Wrightchr 21:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Subst test templates

Hi there! Just a heads-up that I substituted your test template here: User talk:12.39.215.2. By the looks of your contribs, you usually do anyway, but thought I'd mention it anyway. ConDem^Talk 18:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Anaheim Ducks

Hello, Ccwaters. I've seen your experiment edits at Anaheim Ducks (concerning American & Canadian birth places). I've begun a discussion about it at WPTT. GoodDay 19:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:MNLicensePlate2.jpg

Just go ahead and delete Image:MNLicensePlate2.jpg already. I've flagged this as a speedy delete for a copyright violation. We might as well put the stupid image out of its misery already.

How long is the punitive block for my image violation going to be? --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 19:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Gary Bettman

Thanks for the backup in the Bettman article. It's not a full-blown edit war just yet, but it's getting there. I try to take out the biased/slanted stuff every chance I can, but almost immediately it's back up. Nice to see at least one ally. Predshockey17 07:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I am by no means a fan of Bettman, but that article needs serious help. ccwaters 13:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Latin Rapper Angel and Angel (Cuban Artist)

Hello ccwaters. I saw that you nominated Latin Rapper Angel and Angel (Cuban Artist) for WP:AFD. Why didn't you use a prod tag? Prod tags are usually used for uncontroversial deletions. Also, since the articles are redundant, you could have redirected one page to the other. Thanks. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 20:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I've found that prods just delay decisive action. The creator will just delete the tag. As an experiment, I prodded The_Weird_Weekend. Lets see how that goes.... ccwaters 21:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Well you were right about The Weird Weekend! However, prods save tons of time when the do succeed for articles with very few editors. They work at least 50% of the time for me, especially for single editor articles, and when they do work they save lots of time for the AFD editors. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 00:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Tagging for images within Extratropical Cyclone

In your mind, what is missing with the images Image:Zonalflow.gif and Image:Zonalflowexample.gif? They are from the federal government, the Climate Prediction Center in fact, so are of free use. Thegreatdr 18:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

In WP policy's mind: (WP:IUP): a little more descriptive explanation? A URL or other means to actually track down the image and verify its origin. ccwaters 11:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the assist!

Sometimes I feel there should be a top-end message for newbies along the lines of "We don't care what you read, this isn't Myspace, and you can't just say anything you want. Read the rules *first*." Then again, I expect it would be seen as insufficiently newbie-friendly ... (sighs) RGTraynor 13:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry for deleting your delete request. I was not intent on vandalising wikipedia. I was simply trying to get a copy of my page before it was deleted and disappeared into the ether. I strongly feel that the basic page should be kept as a record of slang in Bristol, and have no idea how I can reference a slang term. If yhou have any advice to offer me on how to keep this page, I would love to hear it.

Toad 15:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I think WP:NEO is the best starting point. ccwaters 15:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Hamilton Bulldogs

The Bulldogs (affilated with the Oilers and then the Canadians) have remained one consistent franchise. This is consistent with the AHL and Hamilton Bulldogs records. The fact ownership and affiliation changed during 2002 does not change this. Chesterfield99 17:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chesterfield99 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

I had this discussion over a year ago and actually referenced AHL press releases from that time frame. Since then league redid its web site and removed news prior to 2005. I tried looking for them. Ultimately, I'd love to skim through archives from the Hamilton Spectator when this happened.

Let me remind you that according to the NFL, the Cleveland Browns never left for Baltimore. Things do get "revised" in the name of PR. ccwaters 18:28, 6 April 2007 (an UTC)

I understand the confusion, as the 'Oilers affiliation did go to Toronto, and the Canadians affiliation to Hamilton in 2002', but hockey organizations are not defined by their ownership or affilition, but rather by their identity. In the Bulldogs case, the team had a shared affiliation, and if you followed it the Bulldogs Head Coash, Claude Julien remained with the club, and the entire office staff that was employed by the Oilers, was subsequently employed by the new ownership groups as affiliations changed. The Cleveland Browns took time off, the Bulldogs never missed an AHL game, and kept their name and logo in place - much of this was done for the sole of purpose of keeping the continuity.u The Bulldog situation is unique, and such causes confusion - I am sorry for altering work prevoiously done on your end (without proper discussion), but I am certain of the specifics. If you are not convinced, I am happy to continue the discussion. Chesterfield99 21:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, your nick strongly suggests that we share both a last name and a first initial. And when I noticed that you're also a fellow Linux user, the urge to drop a note saying "hi" became irresistible. :) cheers, Xtifr _tälk 01:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Image tagging

Hi Ccwaters, I noticed you tagged some images with unknown copyright status, crossing out {{PD-USGov}}. Can you please let the uploaders know about incorrect image tagging also, and explain what {{PD-USGov}} actually means to them? It would save them a lot of frustration :) Thank you, – Riana ^ऋ 07:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that's what Orphanbot is for. I leave an explanation when I detag and orphanbot will direct them to it. Why should I create more work for me when a script will come along and do the same thing? Furthermore, the tag itself clearly states in big bold letters exactly what you wish me to tell them. At that point uncivilly questioning the uploader's reading abilities might be the most productive action, but no one wants to go there... ccwaters 12:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Newbies rarely come back to images they have uploaded, and OrphanBot only notifies users when it's tagged the image itself, not for other users. It's not a big deal, but it would be good to prevent people from applying PD tags unfairly, just so the image can stay here. – Riana ^ऋ 02:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Simon Curtis

Hi Ccwaters. Regarding the above article, {{db-repost}} is only appplicable to articles deleted after discussion, not for articles previously speedy deleted. Thanks for the new pages patrol!--Fuhghettaboutit 02:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Hershey Bears

Hey, You don't understand since you're not from the south-central PA area, but the Bears do represent Lancaster, York, and Harrisburg. This is our hockey team, and the Lancaster Intelligencer-Journal and the York Daily Record both cover the Bears as the local team. So please don't view this as a black and white issue. Red Bull New York plays in NJ, not in their namesake market. The Washington Redskins play in Maryland, but represent D.C., so it's okay to include this info for the Hershey Bears. JaMikePA 03:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Your section is poorly worded. Your statistics are original research unless cited. Your article on Coco the Bear is directly copied from the Hershey Bears web site. Flibirigit 06:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll reply at Talk:Hershey Bears in a bit. ccwaters 10:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Coco the Bear

I read what you had to say about my contributions, and my question is why can't you say those things to me? It's not like we're face-to-face, so any confrontation is merely in type. Also what you deem to be appropriate for an encyclopedia may not be someone else's. There are many articles on Wikipedia that surprise me, like American Idol Season whatever. To me current events are for news media, not an online encyclopedia. However, unlike you, I accept others' opinions about relevancy and don't condescendingly criticize them for their opinion.

JaMikePA 16:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

There's absolutely nothing there that I haven't said to you previously. I'm not sure what exactly you mean with this news media/encyclopedia thing: I think you misunderstood something. Is there something I said in particular that you wish me to elaborate on? ccwaters 16:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Stalking

Also, you say you don't stalk me, but you show up on every article, template, etc. that I create. So don't lie about it.

JaMikePA 16:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

If your referring to {{Template:South-central Pennsylvania Sports}} that recently appeared on articles that I was actively editing: yes I noticed your continued unwillingness to abide by Fair Use policy. I agree with you: it is getting old. ccwaters 16:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

And don't be surprised when I declare those York stadium rendering's replaceable sometime after opening day (June 15). Its not you, there are other venues opening soon as well. ccwaters 17:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you accuse me of not understanding scope or relevancy. What is relevant to an encyclopdia article is largely based on opinion. Your superior sense of what is relevant doesn't fly with me. It's BS. You seem to have a problem with articles about minor league sports teams being as good as major league ones. You deem articles about minor league mascots as irrelevant, but that is merely your opinion, and is not shared by many other editors.

Also, don't lecture me about your pessimistic view of the world in regards to business. I understand that sports is a business, but the fans are not following the business end. Some do, but most follow their hometown teams and/ or favorite players. Many fans are dedicated to their teams because they do represent their city, state, region, etc. Just because you don't seem to be proud of where you're from, don't impose your BS opinion on others. Maybe you should do some reading about fans of the Philadelphia Eagles, the Phillies, the Mets, any of the Denver teams, Green Bay Packers, etc. Most sports fans believe that their sports teams represent their home city, and don't give a fuck about the business end of it, unless it something to do with the caliber of the players on the team or the possiblility of a new venue. Most fans don't give a fuck that their city built an arena or stadium that they really can't afford, or about the taxes they have to pay. They care about the team. Many cities build new arenas when the previous arena wasn't even paid for. Do people care. NO.

Yes, believe or not, people in Lancaster are dedicated fans of the Hershey Bears and believe the team represents them. Don't talk about an area you don't know anything about. Not everyone hates where they are from.

JaMikePA 17:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

As it happens, there are numerous veteran editors who have been working on minor league articles for years now, CC among them, and we care about minor league articles because we regularly attend minor league games. (I've roadtripped from Massachusetts to see the Bears play Springfield, myself.) As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is more oriented towards accuracy and completeness (as is supported by the relevant policies and guidelines) than towards fanboy phenomena and viewpoints more appropriate to fan pages, blogs and tribute sites. As such, the business aspects of sports franchises are often encyclopedic, whether or not you yourself care. Be that as it may, your unwarranted personal attacks are in violation of Wikipedia policy (WP:NPA) and must cease.  RGTraynor  18:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Like I said you don't understand scope or relevancy. I never said erase information about Allentown, York or Lancaster's past teams: I said move that information to their own respective articles where it belongs. The scope of the articles are the current teams. Past teams are relevant enough to receive a BRIEF mention and a cross reference to a more in depth article of their own. Presenting the reader with bounds of irrelevant information diminishes the quality of the article just as much as presenting too little information. Markup language's strength as a medium lies in the ability to reference other documents allowing the users to CHOOSE what information they wish to further pursue.

I don't doubt that a segment of their fan base in Lancaster passionately aspires for a Calder Cup repeat and I don't doubt that there are those in the Bear's organization that genuinely reciprocate and feel obligated to produce for that very reason. With that said: Joseph R. Pitts represents Lancaster. The Hershey Bears do not. A sweeping statement that the Bears represent every person within 2 counties reach is an incredible assumption.

I love sports. I've followed of great teams and lots of horrific teams. I've followed some of the teams you mentioned above. Good seasons can be extremely uplifting and bad seasons can be incredibly frustrating. But I wouldn't say any of those team has represented me. I have no control beyond a few bucks in gate receipts and advertising revenue over what happens with the organization. I, like most people, can separate myself. My two favorite teams have been completely inept recently, yet somehow I find the strength to carry on.

If you wish to further discuss the Hershey Bears' market issue specifically, lets take it back to Talk:Hershey Bears.

Lancaster isn't some mystical place shrouded in mystery. We're taking about local sports teams that have been publicly documented. You haven't mentioned any reliable resources that I wouldn't have access to, so again: lets drop that argument.

And if I hated where I live, I'd move.

Even though you've been around long enough to be familiar with civility policies, I'll ignore the F-bombs THIS time. ccwaters 18:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Chicago 2016 Olympic bid CHICOTW

	Chicago Collaboration of the Week
In the past you have edited Chicago 2016 Olympic bid. This week it has been selected as the WikiProject Chicago Collaboration of the week. Each week a Chicago related article in need of attention is selected as the Chicago COTW. Feel free to come help us improve it towards the quality level of a Wikipedia featured article. Your input in future selections would also be appreciated. See the To Do List to suggest a change or to see an open tasks list. See past CHICOTWs. Note our good articles.
	Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago

TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 17:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

NHL draft page

I'm so sick of dealing with users who pick on those they feel are inferior to themselves. Team logos are used all over the place; they are probably the best example of a fair use image on the web. Find a better way to use your time. Go outside, get some air. Here's a wakeup call - I created the player template, and it's rules that you so regularly use. Wikipedia rules are guidelines. Users create them, users use them, users modify them as needed. Agitators on this site are really getting to me The strokes 21:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I never said anything about the inferiority or superiority of anyone. Thanks for making that template: It however doesn't grant you leniency in regards to wiki POLICY (not a guideline). If you disagree with the policy, then go discuss it in the proper forum and get it changed. If you succeed, I'll gladly readd the logos for you. ccwaters 15:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

and nowhere does it mention "logo". You're streching, in an attempt at showing your superiority to a user you thought was inferior, as he was only editing with his IP. Seriously, what does bossing others around on Wikipedia do for you? I sincerely would like to know, because there are so many others like you out there who are doing likewise. It's not like you're getting paid, it's not like you're getting recognition; it's completely baffling to me why some people will spend half their day sitting in front of their computers, patronizing others on a free, equal-access, internet encyclopedia. Is the real world not treating you kindly? The strokes 15:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Your theories are amusing, but don't touch my talk page again. ccwaters 12:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

the truth sucks, doesn't it? especially when it's presented so bluntly. Here you thought that you were making a real difference - "By enforcing Wikipedia laws around the clock, I will truly make a difference in the world. Multimillion dollar sport franchise owners can sleep well at night knowing I - a prominant Wikinazi - will be enforing copyright laws on their club's logos". Cure for cancer be damned, huh? I'm sure if the world wasn't so cruel to you, or if your mother had loved you more as a child, you would have put your awesome power to use on that cure though. I'm sorry, but this is the only possible reason I can think of, of why Wikinazis continue to abound. People crave power - they always have. Some moreso than others. And when they can't get it in the real world, they search for alternatives. You're wasting your life away. The strokes 00:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. My second request is at your talk page. ccwaters 12:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Great, now the draft page looks horribly outdated and lacks the information which 90% of viewers are seeking. Team logos are not violating fair use. Deceiving viewers into thinking that Angelo Esposito is ranked #1 is LAUGHABLE and a disgrace to Wikipedia. Wikipedia 06:27, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

The editor above is the one reverting to old outdated content. Speak with him. ccwaters 15:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Lake Wawasee Main Channel.jpg

You tagged the image here See Image for deletion. I'd like to know if there is finite number of satellite images that can be used with the licensing I used? They display information better than can be described and there is no other way I know of to get images like this. Input would be of help. Thanks. Noles1984 20:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

NASA's Landsat (http://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/) probably has an image for it. The easiest way may be using NASA's World Wind ( http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/). Googles Maps/Earth derives its aerial imagery from many sources (some US public domain, some proprietary) and prohibits redistribution of its final work. ccwaters 20:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Award of a Barnstar

moved to my user page. Thanks. ccwaters 15:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

F-Bomb

Since I didn't use the fucking "f-bomb" directly towards you, it's not a personal attack. Maybe you should see the article Fuck, before you go taddle on me. It would be hypocrisy to have an article about the word and allow the word 'fuck' to be used in numerous quotes, and then to censor it from discussions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JaMikePA (talk • contribs) 18:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

Sorry, I wasn't aware that we were discussing its etymology. ccwaters 19:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

What's this about personal attacks, I don't think I commented on anything but your contributions. I extended an offer to elaborate above and I haven't retracted it. ccwaters 19:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly my point, than what's your issue? I used the word for emphasis, as you responded with some vague threat about 'ignoring' it.

JaMikePA 19:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Just when I thought this was over...

I see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/The strokes. You really need to get a life and move on The strokes 02:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Chi athlete tags

All former pro athletes of Chicago teams will get the {{ChicagoWikiProject}} template. Feel free to add the importance=low parameter if you feel this is appropriate. Some are interesting even though they barely played in Chicago. E.G. Dominik Hasek. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 18:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any issues with it, just making sure those casting the net were aware and comfortable with its magnitude. ccwaters 18:31, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

XM29 Image

Well isn't ATK part of the U.S. Government? They would be the only contractors. X360 20:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[4]. Raytheon is the primary contractor and there are a handful of subcontractors. You can't assume that it came from the military: It could easily have originated as a marketing image from one of them. ccwaters 20:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, the XM29 is cancelled now anyway so I don't think they are really going to market it anymore... so let's make it a historic photograph :).

My issue is that you are assuming its a US military image, without providing any proof. Supply proof of the license or change the license... I'm not going to indemnify myself by providing anymore direction. ccwaters 00:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure where the image was from before but a long time ago I saw it somewhere and I downloaded a PDF document from ATK about it but I can't find it on the internet anymore. X360 03:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:Chester LP.JPG

Please see [5] and [6]. Regards. --Edub 10:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:DrazamWW2.jpg

Why do you think the license is wrong?--Methodius 13:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Was it really created by the user you specified? ccwaters 13:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes.--Methodius 21:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

So, its safe to assume that this user is 80+ years old? ccwaters 00:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

No, the user colourised a public photo.--Methodius 12:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Then we need the source and license of the original. ccwaters 12:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Image: Battleship Island.jpg

Hey, on the website I got that photo from it says "You may download, post or print material from this site for educational and government purposes, provided the copyright notice is retained." That's good enough, right? Murderbike 18:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

No, because wikipedia can and is used for purposes beyond education and government. ccwaters 19:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Free_licenses ccwaters 19:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Ice Hockey Project discussion of hockey player notability and project scope

Please come join the WikiProject Ice Hockey Notability standards for hockey players discussion. I'd like to see input from all our project members who have an opinion. Thanks! ColtsScore 23:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Representation

You must be a supporter of the Republican party to have the foolish belief that congressmen actually represent their communities. Yes, the community votes for its representatives, but they hardly represent community interests. That responsibility falls upon the shoulders of the local mayor and his office. However, many people barely know their own local leadership and vote straight ticket. For example, in Lancaster most people are against the construction of a new convention center but all the politicians are for it. That's not representing the people. The U.S. government doesn't represent the interest of the people with immigration, the Iraq war, and social security. They go 100% against the will of the people. So don't lecture me on who represents any given community.

The idea of a sports team representing a community has a much deeper meaning than you seem to realize. The idea of a team or person representing a group of people stems from the idea of combat. Putting two armies against each other to further one community's collective will is the rawest version of representation of the sort that I am referring to. However, competition in the sporting sense keeps the same level of contention without the bloodshed. That is the most basic way I can explain the concept. Read about the gladiators for example.

JaMikePA 05:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Stay out of my archive please. It will always be there if you want to reference something. Anyway, I don't have any political affiliations. You've accused me of being cynical: welcome to the club.

I stand my ground on the premise that elected officials present communities far more the any professional sports team operating in the area. If the community members can't vote intelligently than the electee holds office as a testiment to that incompetence. Representation isn't always a positive thing.

So what collective will as the army in the Bears uniform furthered with the the sacking of Albany? Have the citizens of Lancaster secured a navigable port on the Hudson River? I jest but professional sports are only entertainment. Some people do take their entertainment more seriously than others.

We were just arguing the use of one word: "represent". I'm not sure if it will accomplish anything of worth, but I really don't mind debating with you. Please understand that my sarcasm with you is a product of familiarity: We've bumped heads a lot. I'm willing to continue this or any other past discussion with YOU civilly, but if my gang objects I'll have to cut it off. :)

Oh, those fair use county/municipal seals shouldn't be in those templates. ccwaters 13:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Your "gang" doesn't object. That being said, while this might be unbelievable to the dyed in the wool sports fanatic, there are a great many people out there who not only don't give a damn about our favorite sports, they don't give a damn about sports at all. Minor-league sports draw from an especially narrow demographic; if the Hershey Bears sold out every game (which they don't), all that would "represent" is that for every person who went to a Bears game in the Dauphin-Lancaster-York county area, there'd be about 125 who didn't.  RGTraynor  17:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Every other template of that kind uses a municipal flag, so there shouldn't be any difference between a flag and a seal. Both are used as official symbols of a city, state, etc.

I understand that sports teams only represent the sports fans of any given location. Politicans represent even less than the number of sports fans. For example, how many Americans feel that Pres. Bush represents them? At least 75% don't feel that way. So don't have your gang lecture me about their values just because they don't think as such.

JaMikePA 19:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The are currently licensed as fair use, therefore they should not be in templates as decoration. If you think they can be license differently, I'd consult someone at WP:IMAGES. National insignia are not copyright per the Paris Convention, but I'm not sure about insignia of local governmental entities.

I assume you're speaking of Bush approval ratings [7]. That's different then representation. Yes he represents you, me, and about 300 million others. According to those polls over 200 million of them find his representation unfortunate. ccwaters 20:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Bush represents the U.S. government, not the people. They are two very different entities. Of all government policies, how many of them actually represent the people. Very few. Who wants to pay $3.00 dollars per gallon for gas, who thinks that our taxes should be wasted on defense experiment projects that never come into fruition, who doesn't want stricter immigration laws, etc. You may believe that politicans represent you, but I don't. I don't agree with the government and I don't have to. That's why the U.S. is a democracy.

JaMikePA 19:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

More correctly: the United States is a constitutional republic. Yeah, they represent us. Whether or not you and I agree with them individually doesn't change that. They are 2 entirely different concepts. ccwaters 16:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Kwai Nyu Rugby Club

According to the entry, you recommended that the article entitled "Kwai Nyu Rugby Club" be deleted. I hope you will reconsider. This entry has been on Wikipedia for over a year now, and has been heavily used. Do look up the team on Google, Answers.com, YouTube, etc. The team is especially significant as a landmark in the history of Missouri rugby, and its tournament has deep historical roots as well. The team itself has a fascinating history, and its web site is extremely helpful for teaching rugby. As the article in Wikipedia has been up for a year now, some users have grown rather dependent on it. I would deeply appreciate your reconsidering this recommendation. The Kwai Nyu Rugby Club (all rugby teams are known as "clubs") is 50 years old, the only athletic team in Missouri (and the only junior rugby team in the country) to have a 19-year winning streek, and is referenced in at least one reliable, printed source: http://www.amazon.com/Good-Soil-Founding-Priory-1954-1973/dp/0966210417/ref=sr_1_1/002-8021912-0026420?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178681222&sr=1-1

Fr. Augustine Wetta, O.S.B. Saint Louis Abbey "KwaiNyu 04:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)"

It is self published: WP:SPS. Anyway, it is done. ccwaters 12:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Public Ivy

Yes, the article is correct now. It looks from the history like your revert overlapped another user's, but you didn't revert the second-to-last edit before yours, which was sneaky vandalism -- you only got the first, obvious vandalism. So I fixed it. -- Rbellin|Talk 18:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Clay High School copyvio

The material posted on this site is in many ways the exact information used on the school's website District Website. As the administrator of the school's website, I am the one who created it. The district has given me the right to use this material in many ways to promote the district and to provide information about the district (including our link on wikipedia.org). If there is a way to avoid the problems that this may have caused, please help our district avoid these in the future. Vbofficial 13:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Clay High School (Portsmouth, Ohio). ccwaters 13:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Ccwaters, please take a look at the Talk:Clay High School (Portsmouth, Ohio). I think you may have been mistaken as the information we are using is released under the GFDL on our district website. So they aren't in conflict, right? Kuehnem 18:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Replied again... ccwaters 18:35, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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Trenton Devils

Why are you not accepting the renaming of the Trenton ECHL franchise into the ECHL article? The change was cited [8], but you still removed it from the article. The Trenton Titans name does not exist now on either the the ECHL, New Jersey Devils, or the Titan's old website. The Trenton Devils should be listed. Michael Greiner 19:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Can we at least put this season in the bag first http://echl.leaguestat.com/hm/bracket.php http://echl.leaguestat.com/stats/statdisplay.php?type=standings ? That league lineup at ECHL lists teams playing in the 2006-07 season which will be done in about 2 weeks. That's all I'm asking. ccwaters 20:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The Devils decided to change the name now, so the article should be updated now. The examples that you give are good for the 2006-07 season (which i changed back to Titans), but the ECHL's website under teams currently lists the Trenton Devils, not Trenton Titans. --Michael Greiner 02:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

hey cc, its ct :)

just wanted to thank you for your input on the current blues hockey discussion. i do think, however, a continued two person debate in that forum will eventually produce negative results for the general reader. I've responded to your last criticism, i respectfully suggest you take your best shot at my response, and then we agree to leave the issue stand on whatever merit it has ...

unless others bring up things we feel justify seperate discussion...

good luck, god bless, and if you even plan to see a Blues home game let me know,,,

Childhoodtrauma 23:03, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

p.s. go blues.................

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Assist needed

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What can be done? Need help from an administator. Noles1984 15:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I not an administrator. Nor am I a copyright expert. I do notice that the specific photo you mention is dated 1911 [9] If you can figure out who took the pic, you might be able to use one of the pd-old tags [[10]]. You might want to ask here: Wikipedia talk:Image use policy. Good luck. ccwaters 16:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Stanley Cup Finals

Oy all these people jumping the gun, it really keeps ya busy. It doesn't matter Ottawa's done, and although he won't, I think Alfredsson should get the Smythe in a losing cause. I really hope Giguere doesn't get it though, he's already got one and there are more deserving people. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 02:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, its interfering with my attempts to actually watch the game. :)... I was hoping for Ottawa (I watched half the team develop in Binghamton), oh well. ccwaters 02:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I wouldn't have minded if both teams somehow won the Cup, but I'm a stanch Leaf fan so I just cannot bring myself to outright cheering for the Sens... even though I'm Canadian. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 02:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I need a judgement call

I would like to clear something up. Does the "Founded" area of a template mean when the current team was put there or does it mean when the franchise was first founded as another team? I ask this because a user switched the "founded" date for the Providence Bruins and Toronto Marlies. Thanks, Salisbury Steak (complaint dept. - contribs) 21:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been a grey area in the minor leagues, simply because the dizzying nature of franchise shifts and name changes have made it tough in most cases to keep track. However, I can attest through years of AHL Media Guides that the league officially dates a team's history from its current city in its current incarnation; for instance, the Providence Bruins is listed as existing from 1992, leaving the predecessor Maine Mariners out of the equation.  RGTraynor  00:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm with RG on this one. The lineages should be clearly noted in the article though. ccwaters 12:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikimedia Pennsylvania

Hello there!

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• Contact us on IRC at #wikimedia-pa
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Thanks and I hope you join up! Cbrown1023 talk 02:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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I removed all the similar notifications. Thanks for keeping me informed Fuzzy, but further notification of your migration isn't required. ccwaters 12:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Logos

Yeah, I'm adding transparency, and since they're not a uniform 200x200 resolution, I've been uploading them under a different name to prevent any confusion. Apologies for cluttering up your talk page. --fuzzy510 15:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:10_large_subunit.gif and Image:10 small subunit.gif

Hi there, the PDB is a US governmental organisation link, so the work of PDB employees has no copyright. In the "help" section of the website it states "The contents of PDB are in the public domain" link - click on "citing the PDB". I've replaced the US-gov tag on this image. All the best, Tim Vickers 14:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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Invitation

You discussed the name of Vossstrasse the last time it came up; you may be interested in doing so again. See Talk:Voßstraße#Page_name. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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MLB uniforms

I need you to intervene with User:Silent Wind of Doom as he continues to add his grossly inaccurate versions of team uniforms for MLB teams. See the Diamondbacks page and the Dodgers. The Hall of Fame pics are the accurate unis.

JaMikePA 03:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Do you have corrected pics somewhere? I vaguely remember seeing discussion of this between the two of you last time we bumped into each other. I'm not an admin, but bring me up to speed and I'll gladly step in as a third opinion. ccwaters 10:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

If you go to the D-backs, Dodgers, and Phillies image history, the correct unis are there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JaMikePA (talk • contribs) 22:50, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

MLB unis

Hey, the D-backs problem is the lack of black trim on the wordmark as Silent Wind of Doom created the image himself. Also, the Phillies don't wear red jerseys with blue piping with plain pants. I have tried to solve the issue, but he is personally insulted that his "concepts" aren't accepted as the appropriate uniform.

JaMikePA 22:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Phillies unis

I didn't load that Phillies pic. I know that the Phils don't wear red jerseys with blue piping. That's part of my issue with this user.

JaMikePA 17:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

PHPA Mission statement

Hello. I am an employee of the PHPA who posted the content for our wikipedia site. You have challenged our mission statement and I am curious as to why. Your comments would be appreciated.

Thank you.PHPA 21:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Complaints about SWoD

"Look, I'm sick and tired of this. I have told you, over and over again, that if you have a problem with a uniform image, TELL ME. Don't revert it and start some senseless edit war, where you wait until the 4th or 5th edit to say that you think it's inaccurate. Come to me. Don't go behind my back so that things get screwed up and I don't find out about it for a week. Tell me, so that it can be rectified. Even when there's only two uniforms, you can't put in the image from the site. All of the uniform images are in a set format. They are the same name, and they are the same size. This keeps everything uniform and it looks much better. If you would just simply tell me, things would be so much easier, but no, you keep doing this. Look at the Diamondbacks. You're bringing up that stuff again, when it's been resolved already. The Dodgers uniform? The white outline (which is barely visible in the article), the LA on the shoulder (which is barely visible on the image AT FULL SIZE), and a slight difference in the number that is su unnoticable that it took me about five views of the two images side-by-side to notice it, and you're freaking out, acting like I gave them purple and orange uniforms? Have you lost your mind? Now I'm a Yankee fan, so I might not see NL uniforms constantly. I'll admit that. I got the uniform details mostly off of the mlb store. If there's a problem, I'll fix it, but say something. Don't just change it. Tell me! Okay? I've checked the talk page every time you make a change to see if they've said anything about the uniform being inaccurate. Put something on my talk page. List the issues you have. Just please say something, so we can work as a team and get things done without wasting time one this crap. --"

User:Silent Wind of Doom

I am really tired of these immature messages b/c this schumck wants his grossly inaccurate uniforms on the articles. If he really wanted to make a contribution, it would be in the interest of accuracy. Here he justifies his view, which isn't compliant with Wikipedia rules. Please help me do something to stop this.

JaMikePA 01:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The Silent Wind of Doom himself

All right then. Mike responded to my statement by telling me that he alerted an admin, and I fortunately figured out a way to find where and what this was done. Here's the story. The uniform images from the National Baseball Hall of Fame's Dressed to the Nines online exhibit, there is a database of all MLB uniforms ever. These were displayed on the team pages. Now, these only show the home and away jerseys, not the alternates, so I began editing the images to include these. I also made the images all of the exact same size, for the sake of aesthetics and order.

This is when the conflict began. If I recall correctly, it started with Mike replacing my image of the Baltimore Orioles uniform with the one from the hall. I changed it back, and this became an edit war within the image page. It wasn't until we had edited it for quite a while that he left a message on my user talk, telling me that the reason was that I had drawn the Orioles alternate as wearing black pants, and that I had omitted the orange brim from the home cap. Now, he had never told me that during the edit war, and this would become that point that would bring things to the fever pitch they are now.

In his message, he told me, "Don't revert something because you feel insulted that someone edited your picture or article when you were wrong." We also got into an edit war over the Diamondbacks jersey. I did not know that the database would be updated, so I created the new Diamondbacks uniform from scratch using images of the uniform. He replaced it with the new image (which, of course, doesn't include the alternate), and his languange became quite terse. He left another post on my page saying "...it is obvious that the D-back template was created by someone who didn't know the correct uniform design. Your template is grossly inaccurate..." He acted as though I was an idiot who couldn't tell the difference between the Yankees and Mets uniforms, when I had painstakingly made it accurate. The only difference between the original and the image he uploaded were a few colors, while I'd taken the colors from an image of a player wearing the uniform using the eyedropper tool.

Due to his terse language, I confronted him about his claims. I saw that he had warnings already on his talk page about the language he used, telling him to assume good faith, and I saw some of the belittling language I'd seen. It looked to me that he was a bully, and I don't like bullies, so I used some terse language of my own. I admit that I was caught up in the moment, and some things probably shouldn't have been said, such as saying that I wished he was a hermit so the general populace would have to deal with him as little as possible. He, of course, responded, telling me that my Diamondbacks image sucked, and that the colors were "totally wrong". Randomly, five days later, he left a comment saying "Also, given some of the nerdy interests you post on your page, you can't call anyone else a hermit. What is Silent Wind of Doom. Only nerds come up with silly, sci-fi names for their user names, as most people use something that actually has something to do with them personally."

There was a little more edit warring with the Diamondbacks image, but after it was removed, someone else added an alternate that I'd missed and put it back. It stayed that way. I thought everything was done with. However, he began reverting the Diamondbacks image again. We corresponded, and I gave reasons for his issues, and things died down. I thought it was over for good.

That was all in April. About a month or so ago, I finished my work, did the last of the uniforms, and all was right with the world. Then, Mike began replacing them with images from the Hall site. After I edited the Dodgers uniform a few times, he said in his edit "stop putting the inaccurate uni pic there. Actually look at what the Dodgers are wearing this year." It took me about seven times of looking from one image to the other to see that there were, in face, three differences. There was a small white outline, barely visible, there was an LA on the away sleeve instead of the Dodgers print name, and there was an extremely minor difference in the shape of the "5". These were tiny things that were barely noticable, and he screams that they're grossly innacurate. And he doesn't tell me. He finally left a comment on mine:

Stop adding your grossly inaccurate uni pics to MLB teams. I am reporting you, as you don't care about accuracy. Take the Dodgers page for example. JaMikePA 03:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Now, of course, he didn't make a title for it, so it blended in with an orphaned image post and I didn't see it. His post to you came two minutes later. Now, I didn't know. I didn't know his reasoning. You know why? Because he didn't tell me. He didn't tell me there was no red uniform anymore. They did in the past, as seen here: http://www.balgavy.com/sports/baseballgames2004/archives/utley1.jpg . I'm an AL fan, so I don't get much view of NL uniforms. I based all of this on the MLB.com shop, sportslogos.net, and just putting the team name into Yahoo! under an image search. If he had told me, I would have checked it out, and fixed it. What he's doing by just inserting the Hall pictures, which, as they're not correctly formatted to the same size, messes up the uniformity. He came here, and told you, so that you could back him up, but he never told me. That's all I want. When I discovered an inaccuracy, I said in the edit for him to tell me in the future, so that I can fix it. But no. He, for some reason, refuses to do it, and now he's replaced a bunch of uniforms without telling me, and I had to go through every team to figure out which. That's why I finally had to tell him on his talk page to tell me. That's all the message he's complaining about is. I want him to tell me, and I want him to stop freaking out and calling my work "grossly innacurate" when the problems he has are mostly either minor slips of the mind or misunderstandings. I'm sick of the personal attacks, so I wanted to end it and finally, hopefully, come to an agreement. Here's what I returned to:

Don't ever write to me like that again! I copied your message and reported it to an admin. You're the one being immature and rude. It is apparent that you're concern for accuracy is minimal and just want your 'concepts' on the MLB pages. You just want your images to be on every team page, disregarding the rules that Wikipedia is founded on. Also, not all of the inaccuracies are minimal. Take the Phillies, they don't or have ever worn a red jersey with blue piping. JaMikePA 02:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

This was the first time he told me about the Phillies uniform. The blue piping was a minor slip of the mind, and I did not know that the red jersey was no longer in use. As a matter of fact, the image was created during last year's playoffs, so it likely was in use then. Anyway, one final thing. Here's my response to what he said:

Thank you. That's what I want. I want you to tell me that there's a problem. If you'd told me that, I'd have verified it with the good people of the Phillies page and the image gallery at Yahoo! Sports MLB, then I would have rectified it. You wouldn't tell me, though. All I asked was for you to tell me something, and you refuse to do it. I will admit, though, that I did find a small note under another heading. For future reference, make your own heading, since most people make their own heading when posting a new topic on a talk page, and I won't notice if you don't. Now, please, what are the reasons for the Washington Nationals, Arizona Diamondbacks, Colorado Rockies, and Seattle Mariners uniform images?--Silent Wind of Doom 04:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

There. That's it, the truth, plain and simple. I couldn't let Mike get in here and just tell the story from his side. I'm trying to be reasonable, but to no avail. I'm sorry this turned out to be so big, but there was a lot to tell. I was considering reporting Mike myself to the Baseball project page, to try to stop this, but instead decided to confront him head on. Lets hope this will be figured out. --Silent Wind of Doom 06:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Spam edits

I blocked User:Subject4wi as a sock of User:ArtsNews. The IP looks like a dyamic one. Tyrenius 00:58, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Userwiki44 indef blocked. I had to remove insertions of the name Chitra Ramanathan by an IP yesterday also. Tyrenius 14:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Guenin

I saw it on Tim Panaccio's blog. If you need better confirmation than that, check the official website. He is no longer listed on the team's roster. --4.239.168.85 18:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

He is currently listed on the Phantoms roster, though. [11] --4.239.168.85 18:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but iElmira is a local news site, I find it sad that you want to delete a viable and well used news site for Elmira, NY, which reports on more news than the local papers often. It belongs on the Elmira, NY page and will continue to be placed there. Thanks for your understanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wmarcy (talk • contribs) 00:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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Lake Placid Roamers

I have done some digging around about the Lake Placid Roamers, since we last talked about it on your talk page. Have a look at my sandbox. So far I have deduced that the Roamers were an intermediate level, and independent senior hockey team, which existed from approximately 1946 to 1984, and a one time were a farm team for the New York Rangers. Leave some comments here. Thanks ! Flibirigit (talk) 05:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Bruins Fans Forum

This is a non-profit organization, that has no advertising of any sort. Yes I use it, but I a have no other affiliation with the site. I believe it gives both Boston and Providence fans a much needed voice, and connects them with like-minded individuals. There are next to no other forums online with regards to the Bruins, so this is in no way a competing site. It is ultimately your decision, but I believe it is a necessary tool for anyone interested in, or supporters of the respective teams. I would also like to point out that other team pages on Wikipedia, namely Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres, have External links to 'Unofficial Fan Sites' that clearly have 3rd party advertising.

I am formally apologizing for my having posted the link without proper course.

Thank you

Hvisc (talk) 21:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Bruins Fans Forum

So how does a site like http://www.sabresfans.com/ qualify as an external link, but bruinsfansforum does not? It is in fact the same idea; to provide a voice for Buffalo fans, as their site describes - By the Fans, For the Fans.

http://sabresfans.proboards66.com/ http://bruinsfans.freeforums.org/index.php

Please tell me what I'm missing here.

Hvisc (talk) 11:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Franz Josef Strauß

Might I ask you to take a look at the new discussion going on at Franz Josef Strauß? Yes, it is an ancient topic (the use of ß on en-wiki), but this is one of the most prominent articles in which this issue is of significance. Given your experience, your input would be very much appreciated. Unschool (talk) 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)