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iServer proposed deletion

Hi there,

My apologies for deleting the Article-for-deletion notice - this was accidental when I made the article title a lower case template. iServer is a product developed by Orbus Software, whose page was recently deleted. Could this be why the iServer page is now being flagged for lack of notability? The iServer page was flagged right after the Orbus Software page was deleted so I'm just trying to understand a bit better the problems with this page

Many thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by BatesyM (talk • contribs) 13:53, 14 May 2015‎

@BatesyM: Well, had you not deleted the PROD template the article would have been deleted in a few days, so that is not an issue. What happens now is that we, you included, please, discuss the deletion at the deletion discussion page and a consensus is formed, after which the article will be kept or will be deleted.
Having looked at your talk page I see I also nominated Orbus for speedy deletion. There must be some causal link there. I imagine I was simply following up links to see if other things required consideration. We are very happy to have notable software whether the producer is notable and has an article (or not) or is not inherently notable, so that =, of itself, is not the link. It must be that the Orbus article attracted my attention for a different reason. You are right min that it is not likely to be coincidence.
Your road now is to look for referencing that will make iServer a no brainer to keep. We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. You have tome. The discussion will run, generally, for seven days. But do not leave it until the final day. Make the referencing improvements, and then state on the discussion that you wish to keep the article and have improved the references.. Do it once and do it well.

Thank you very much for the feedback, I will work on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BatesyM (talk • contribs) 13:53, 14 May 2015‎

Admin Help

I messed up a move reverting the vandal move and ended up with Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles please sort out my well intentioned mess. Fiddle Faddle 15:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

The title is still messed up (with the word "Wikipedia" duplicated)... please fix. Blueboar (talk) 15:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
@Blueboar: I cannot. I am not an admin and it needs one. Fiddle Faddle 15:15, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 Fixed - it's back at WIkipedia:Article titles. JohnCD (talk) 15:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
For which much thanks, JohnCD Fiddle Faddle 15:22, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft: The Naked Convos page review

Hi Timtrent,

You reviewed my draft exactly a month ago and I made adjustments a few days after and resubmitted. Since then I haven't heard anything. Please do have a look soon. Here is the link: Draft:The_Naked_Convos

Thank you, and I hope to hear from you soon.

Seryxme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seryxme (talk • contribs) 15:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Seryxme: I try very hard never to re-review a draft. I saw it earlier and was tempted to look, but you will get a better result form a different pair of eyes. Fiddle Faddle 15:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, ok then. But how do I get someone else to look at this ASAP? I'd really like this to go up soon so I'd want to know if I still need to make adjustments. Please let me know if you can help refer another reviewer.

Thanks. Seryxme (talk) 15:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Seryxme: You could ask at the Article For Creation Help Desk. Please continue to look for improvements while waiting for a review, and continue to make good edits. Fiddle Faddle 15:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Alright then. Thank you. Seryxme (talk) 15:38, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Seryxme: I realise I seem unhelpful. I'm rather more tired than I noticed. I shall go offline for a while. Do use the helpdesk Fiddle Faddle 15:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Moving articles to userspace drafts rather than copying them

User:Thestudent1461/sandbox is a copy of War in Afghanistan (2001–present). For some reason, you indicated that the article page should be moved to the userspace draft page, rather than simply allowing its contents to be copied. This doesn't make sense. Can you explain why you wanted this to happen? Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Jackmcbarn: Indeed it does not. I seem to be making bizarre mistakes today. The sandbox version is the copy and should go (as I am sure you will agree). I am about to go online for a much needed break judging by my errors. Thank you for asking me gently Fiddle Faddle 16:02, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

21:06:35, 11 May 2015 review of submission by Darawier


Darawier (talk) 21:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC) Dear Timtrent, thank you for your very speedy review of this entry, and for suggesting revision to the references. I've fixed it up now, adding the missing reference, and also adding headings in their proper places, as well more links to external sources. I hope the notability of this entry is clear now, but please let me know if you feel any further clarification would be useful. Darawier (talk) 21:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Darawie: I'm glad you have resubmitted t., Please continue to improve it while waiting for the next review. I do not often re-revoew drafts. Several sets of eyes give a better end result. Fiddle Faddle 21:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Kaiho Sangyo (09:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC))

Thank you very much for your prompt answer Timtrent! I understood your comment about WP:42 and I will fix the problem in the article tomorrow. I m waiting for the comments from WikiProject Japan! Best regards

Alejandro R Moreno (talk) 10:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Alejandro R Moreno: I am not sure whether there is a problem with references or not. I wanted to pre-empt there being any. I do see an issue with the tone, which needs to become "Dull-but-worthy" instead of chatty. Fiddle Faddle 10:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
@Timtrent:Thank you for the comment! This is my first contribution to Wikipedia so I still have a lot to learn. I really appreciate your help and your time. Tomorrow I will try to use a more objective language. Problaby your comment points to the "Corporate philosophy" section, I realize about what the problem is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alejandro R Moreno (talk • contribs) 11:19, 11 May 2015‎
@Timtrent:Today I could add new independent references and I corrected the article tone. Any other advice, idea, correction will be more than welcome. Thank you again! --Alejandro R Moreno (talk) 05:19, 12 May 2015 (UTC)　

my submission for Otto Kuhni

I am new to wiki having difficulty understanding instructions My father is a well known retired illustrator he is 88 years old I am not meaning to post a resume for him He certainly doesn't need that many of his illustrator friends are listed on wiki (peter max for example) His hot wheels designs alone qualify him let alone Hall of Fame induction Google him please I know you must be crazy busy I have only posted facts readily avail from other sources online no personal feelings or opinions I have edited my first submission to follow your format for other illustrators Please assist me

Alkuhni (talk) 12:12, 12 May 2015 (UTC)alkuhniAlkuhni (talk) 12:12, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

@Alkuhni: I think you would benefit from having a mentor. If you agree, please visit WP:CO-OP and make a request.
At the same time, read WP:YFA which may help the mists to clear. Your father may be notable, but it is up to you to verify that with references. The item you produced looked very much like a resumé, something we do not allow. Fiddle Faddle 14:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

00:51:48, 13 May 2015 review of submission by Dabraham


I've added text to explain to people not familiar with web technologies why JWS is important. I've also linked to a number of articles within wikipedia regarding relevant concepts.

If there's some concept that isn't getting across, please let me know what you're not getting and I'll see if I can explain it better.

Thank you very much.

Dabraham (talk) 00:51, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

That means I can understand it better now, I suggest two things:
  1. resubmit for further review
  2. while awaiting review strive for further referencing that is independent of the topic. We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42
I do not re-review, believing that further pairs of eyes do the draft a better service. Fiddle Faddle 07:12, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your message in my Talk Page

Hi,

As you mentioned, I added Promotional content to Shivprasad Koirala article, can you please describe so I can remove those links Immediately. I do not have any intention to promote anybody. I just added book links to verify if user want to check either that is true or not.

Prithvi Raj Bhatt || http://www.pyarb.com 13:02, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

The entire article is promotional. 100%. Fiddle Faddle 13:03, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your message in my Talk Page (2)

Timrent, I'm trying to understand what, in your opinion, is wrong with the presentation of the historical material in my draft. I'm not discussing a philosophical topic like "What is truth?" There one would have to write "According to Aristotle...", "In Platon's view...", "Luther is of the opinion...", "Calvin thought..." The article deals with history. Its language is the language historians use. The sentence which supposedly does not record but analyse the historical material is not isolated. It is followed by a few other sentences, and then a Reference (Heinrich Bornkamm...) This reference (or citation) indicates that the historical facts in the preceding sentences have been taken over from an encyclopedic article by historian Heinrich Bornkamm in "Die Religion in Geschichte und Gegenwart" ... (By the way, the academic standard of RGG equals that of Encyclopedia Britannica.) He analysed a mass of historical data and condensed the relevant facts into a few sentences. So there was analysis. But it is not mine, but that of an outstanding expert in the fields of church and general history. If I added "According to historian Heinrich Bornkamm, ..." this would be redundant, as Bornkamm is mentioned in the Reference. Reduncancy is the last thing an encyclopedic article should have. But of course, it would be possible to introduce Bornkamm to the reader of he article. I'll do that in the passage "Definition", where I refer to Bornkamm for the first time. As I said, I use the language historians use. A few examples from wi:en. In the article on Martin Luther King, time and again one, two or more sentences about King's life and activities are followed by a citation. In the article "English Civil War" the chapter "Parliament in the English constitutional framework" consists of 16 lines that have a single citation at the end. Nowhere is there any "According to ..." Nevertheless, I will do what you ask me to do. Just tell me. Speahlman (talk) 18:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@Speahlman: Before we travel the road of what I want, let's take me out of the equation. Ask at the Articles For Creation Help desk for a further set of eyes on your draft to ensure both that I am correct (or not) and that you understand what is needed. I am perfectly content to be shown to be incorrect. How does that sit with you? Fiddle Faddle 19:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Please do use headings!

Hi Timtrent. Thank you for your helpful comments on my article. Can you let me know how I did? I cleaned up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:RXR_Realty,_LLC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haneedesigns (talk • contribs) 19:15, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@Haneedesigns: What I think will serve you better is for you to resubmit the draft for review. That way you will get a new pair of eyes, something that always works better than the old set. Fiddle Faddle 19:19, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I do appreciate your help.

Hello, I do appreciate your help and apologize for all the back and forth. Would you please take a look at the page and let me know if the references are how they need to be or if I need to do the differently? Thank you DMRRT (talk) 23:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I have run out of enthusiasm and interest in this article and in trying to help you, and have found that we have a different definition of dialogue, you and I. You have all the information you need in order to make your references as compliant with our requirements as you can. Even with excellence of referencing I doubt the article will be retained. If you need help please ask someone else. I have laboured with you long enough without your reaching any form of understanding. Doing what one has always done and expecting different results is the act of a fool. I am not a fool. Fiddle Faddle 06:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Good work

with our angry AfD commentator. I left a note also. DGG ( talk ) 00:07, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks DGG. When one gets to the point that they cannot hear what is said, after a while one cuts one's losses. All I can say is "I tried". I note they have asked for more help in the thread just above this, yet they have enough information and rehashing the same material, at least by me, is likely to be fruitless. The AFD has a few more days to run. I think there is a probability that the article will be deleted. I think the work they are putting in is huge, but in the wrong direction. Truly less is more here. Who knows, they may even have followed my advice and edited it down!
If you have a few pointers for them they might be able to hear a different voice, but it's a lot to ask of you. I very nearly asked you to join in with your aptitude for cutting to the chase over academics and referencing but thought you would probably see it anyway. Fiddle Faddle 06:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Of course, you might have meant the other one! Isn't the written word wonderful when it can be interpreted in the way one decides rather than the way it is meant! Fiddle Faddle 06:34, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
don't count on my seeing things. I go back and forth between many different things, so what I notice is often accidental. Just Ping. It is always hard to tell who might actually respond, but I do not think that they are open to listening to anyone. But since you ask, I will give it a try. DGG ( talk ) 08:13, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Admin

Hi, it's of course none of my business (and don't hesitate to tell me that if you want!) but how come you're not an admin. I've come across few users here who would make so good admins. You obviously have the experience, the knowledge, the patience and the level temper needed for it. Of course it's a thankless job and I understand anyone who doesn't want to do it, but still thought I'd ask. Admins like you is exactly what we'd need.Jeppiz (talk) 16:58, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Jeppiz: The trite answer is that I dislike cleaning products.
The more serious answer is that I can have more freedom without the mop and bucket than I ever could as an admin, and I can do things whereas, as an admin, I would have to block, or delete, or do things to editors. I prefer to be 'just another editor' and show folk how they can be good citizens here. When I act I do not have that extra level of scrutiny an admin does and cannot be referred to disparagingly as a power mad admin, all of whom get weeded out eventually anyway.
In addition, who would want to put themselves through the unmitigated crap that an RfA is nowadays? I like the idea of doing it as an experiment and answering all questions with "I will let my contributions record speak for me" as an answer to every question. I doubt, somehow. that this would lead to approval!
I view many of the admin tasks as ones that are better handled by two sets of eyes. Take Speedy Deletion as an example. Some admins see a candidate and delete it. I would still nominate it and let someone else agree with me or not. Blocking is a similar thing. The admin who spots it should not be the one who acts. So, what would be the advantage of appointing me?
Now, I am going to thank you for the compliment, which I have enjoyed, and give you a challenge. Do better than you believe I do in everything you do here. Fiddle Faddle 17:23, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Alice_Morgan_Person

Timtrent:

I will soon resubmit my article on Alice Morgan Person (link above), but provide the following information when it is reviewed again--I am supposing you will also review it the second time. There are actually only 3 published secondary sources on Alice Person (minus, short biographical dictionary articles, one of which contains several errors), and one of them is a short periodical article. I am a university professor and one of the authors of the only published full-length book on Alice Person (i.e., Good Medicine and Good Music: A Biography of Mrs. Joe Person). To write the book, I traveled to many special collections, court houses, and other locations to study and synthesize primary sources. In my initial submission, I thought it best to not have nearly every reference be to my book so I referenced things in special collections and newspapers, even though they could be traced to my book. With the exception of the first piece of information, all of these sources could be accessed with the citations I provided. That one piece of information was from a family Bible in the possession of one of Alice's descendants. In order to comply with your request, I have located the pages in my book that contain the information I got from the sources I listed in my first submission with the exception of two newspaper articles, for which I provided complete publication information the first time around. These can be found using any good newspaper index. However, if you require that I reference only my book for those as well I can also do that.

With regard to linking to online sources, my book is not available freely online, nor is my book co-author's earlier journal article, which I reference once in my Wikipedia submission. Finding aids for the special collections that contain the papers of Alice Person and the digital collection I created are available online and I included those links the first time around. They remain.

I really want to get the word out about this special woman so I do hope that, although secondary source material on her is limited, you will accept my submission.

Sincerely,

David Hursh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plantdude (talk • contribs) 22:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

@Plantdude: You may use {{cite book}} to cite pages in a book. The book does not need to be online. {{Cite journal}} is useful for journals, too.
It is very unlikely that I will be the next reviewer. I try very hard not to re-review on the basis that more sets of eyes help create a better end product. Your approach feels sound. As a professor you might find WP:ACADEME of interest and perhaps a little startling. Fiddle Faddle 22:41, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Having taken another look I simply asked for some tiny changes. Those I can re-review. Accepted in the next few minutes. Fiddle Faddle 22:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Your comments on my draft "Sieben Linden Ecovillage"

Hello, Timtrent. You have new messages at Herbst77regen's talk page.
Message added 21:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

13:04:54, 19 May 2015 review of submission by Roy Lyndhurst


I am contacting you regarding the comments give for the page I submitted Quote : All inline links must be removed, please, and turned into references if appropriate, Wikilinks, or external links in a section so named. ; Unquote

I have been looking at wikipedia's section for citing sources for those who are new to Wikipedia and it recommends using Inline links with the references being added as footnotes. This is what I did.

If I can not use Inline links could you point me to other Wikipedia citing sources which can show how to add references. Please can you also explain what the last section of your comment means - external links in a section so named? Not sure what I'm being asked to do here

Roy Lyndhurst (talk) 13:04, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Roy Lyndhurst: The thing we want is citations. WP:REFB refers. What we do not want is inline external links WP:EL refers. Confused? I can imagine so. WP:CITE may clarify it Fiddle Faddle 13:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

MEDRS

Morgellons Hypothesis junk. Please become familiar with WP:MEDRS before letting articles like that out of AFC-- not doing so creates a lot of unnecessary work for other editors. If you had pinged WT:MED you could have saved a lot of unnecessary work, as that article will not survive AFD because it is not correctly sourced. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: Link, please? Snarky, much? Fiddle Faddle 06:29, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Never mind. I found it. I'd like to tell you how useful your comments have been. Regrettably I cannot. You, SandyGeorgia, need to learn how to behave in public. Search engines have long memories. Always remember that deleting something from your talk page acknowledges that you have read it. Your edit summary is also a behaviour that I deprecate. Fiddle Faddle 07:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I most certainly should not have and did not need to make the remark that you shouldn't be working at AFC, and not in front of all of WT:MED. I do apologize for making such an unhelpful, unnecessary remark in a very public place. May the rest of your day or evening improve. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
@SandyGeorgia: Thank you. I am grateful for your apology and accept it with pleasure. Would you be kind enough to redact that (and similar) material at the place you posted it? Perhaps you have already. I would also be grateful for that small service. I don't mind what we say to each other on our own talk pages. Well, within reason, obviously. Fiddle Faddle 08:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, I see you have done so. I have redacted my own comments in what I think you will see to be a useful way. Let us now move forwards as colleagues. Fiddle Faddle 08:18, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I would say more but ... best to leave it here ... I don't know if you've read the article, which is a tough one, and can imagine how hard it is to deal with a stready stream of editors who are convinced they have (x, y or z), when they have delusions. Anyway, frustration is no excuse; better day tomorrow! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 08:32, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
An edit conflict prevented me from posting a call for peace between you and Sandy, and I see now that it was totally unnecessary. You and Sandy are both awesome editors. :-) Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 08:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: Come and play at AFC for a while yourself. Choose drafts you know nothing at all about. It's actually quite relaxing, perhaps especially when stressed. Start with the newest submissions, they tend to be th most obvious yes/no/maybe candidates. It does;t matter if you play for a day only, but come and play. You will need to add yourself to the list of reviewers and to deploy the script. The latter is in your preferences. I read that article. If you stand where I stand (total ignorance) you will probably understand how it fooled me. We do a very quick pass. If something looks like a quick win we accept or reject it. And we make mistakes. This one looked like a quick win. The good thing is that you caught the mistake. We should never be afraid of making mistakes. Fiddle Faddle 08:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, Stigmatella aurantiaca, peace had already broken out. But thank you. Fiddle Faddle 08:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Passing by, I agree that it is often a good idea to work with the newest, not the oldest submissions, in order to get the obvious passes and fails taken care of, thus both giving prompt feedback, and also reducing the number that goes into the backlist. DGG ( talk ) 04:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Ghoradia

Ghoradia is a Village comes under Bolagarh Block of Khurda District in the Indian state of Odisha. Total Population of the village is about 2500. It is only 1 Km from Bolagarh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhirendra1984 (talk • contribs) 09:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Dhirendra1984: Why do I need to know this? What is the point of placing this on my talk page? I have no interest i this material. Fiddle Faddle 09:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

12:52:23, 21 May 2015 review of submission by Alpeshatwiki


Hello could you please let me know why the submission got declined and what needs to be changed for this profile to go live. Please guide me. Thanks in advance. Alpesh Patel 12:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I did, in great detail, on the draft, have you been there and read it? Fiddle Faddle 13:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Your contributions through the Teahouse are endless! And I can't even give you more than one barnstar to give you a thanks for all the tireless work you've done! You deserve it! ~Cry (talk) 15:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Awww, thanks Fiddle Faddle 16:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


Allumer

Hi, the article i wrote for Allumer https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Allumer&redirect=no was rejected i don't understand why, as the sources we have used are editorials magazines & you can' pay for editorials in Vogue or Professional jeweller . The sources we have used are all reliable and established magazine. I would appreciate if you could shed some light on the situation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis & Mojo (talk • contribs) 15:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Elvis & Mojo: Did I say you had paid for them? Excellent PR and press release place,went, but that is what they are. Fiddle Faddle 16:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

But you can't place articles in editorial magazines i.e vogue or professional jeweller furthermore Allumer doesn't have PR company — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis & Mojo (talk • contribs) 17:23, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Elvis & Mojo: Then it must have excellent internal PR. You will not convince me. May I suggest asking at the Articles for Creation Help Desk where other reviewers spend time answering pleas for help. Fiddle Faddle 17:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

But Vogue is an editorial magazine you cant pay for articles you can only pay for advertising it is the top fashion magazine's in the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis & Mojo (talk • contribs) 17:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Elvis & Mojo: This horse is dead. Please stop flogging it, at least here. Flog it elsewhere by all means. I spent many years placing PR material with major publications, ones where you cannot pay for it. I did it for my living. I was rather good at it. Fiddle Faddle 17:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

16:45:31, 22 May 2015 review of submission by Flower244


Hello! Thank you for giving me an explanation on why my sandbox article was declined for submission. However, I have to ask you for a bit of clarification. I will try to be more precise: 1."Any extraneous matter such as descriptions of streaming must go. These are dealt with by using WIkilinks." Do you mean by this that I link streaming to article dealing with streaming published on Wikipedia? The purpose of that paragraph was to show the nature of go live function, i.e. what is this in its essence (a streaming feature). What would be your advice now regarding this: to rephrase this paragraph or to delete it?

2."Rambles about "some streaming engines" and similar material smack of advertorial. Please lose those" I tried to use the examples I know. In addition, how is this advertorial when there is an article on Wowza engines on Wikipedia as well?

3. "References that do not meet the stringent criteria above must be replaced by those that do, please" Finally, could you please give me an example of acceptable reference? I tried to keep them independent, I looked for sources that " include reliable published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, television documentaries, websites, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations".

Thank you for leaving time to help me!| Kindest Regards, F. Flower244 (talk) 16:45, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Answers:
1 Use a Wikilink to the relevant Wikipedia article
2 No precedent is ever set by any article for any other. If it were we would have a brutally fast descent into idiocracy. If Wowza is bad it needs to be improved.
3 This is down to you. The best advice is to look at WP:GA items to see what is accepted there, noting that they do not set a precedent, and following their example for referencing.
Wikipedia is simple, not easy. We have very high standards. Some existing articles slip below those. Fiddle Faddle 21:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

ALJ

Tim I am failing here on Wiki. I do not understand how to write an article on someone. Please help me write an article about someone, I am not understanding what I have to do, so please help me with this ok. Nicole — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allen Leo Johnston (talk • contribs) 23:19, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

@Allen Leo Johnston: Certainly. We will start tomorrow. There is no rush. Fiddle Faddle 23:26, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia Walter Russell

Edit the existing article? Can't be done ! I have rewritten it, its on my sandbox page. An earlier version of my rewrite is on my user page, but it was rejected a couple of months ago. What I want to do is replace the existing Walter Russell article which is grossly inaccurate and defamatory. I have the authority, I have written a biography of Walter Russell. Please read my article in my sandbox and compare it to the existing Walter Russell article. This needs to be done!

If you can't replace the existing article, then it should be taken down. Charles Hardy ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chazhardy (talk • contribs) 16:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Of course it can be done. If you have no interest in doing this then it will not be done. Forgive me for showing no enthusiasm for your message. I have no interest in making any such comparison. I have reviewed the material against our rules. The article exists. Please go and enjoy editing it. Fiddle Faddle 21:19, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
When I say the Walter Russell article cannot be edited, I mean that it is too far out of joint to change what has stood for 9 years. Almost every sentence contains false information, so sentence after sentence would have to be deleted. Also the various criticisms need to be addressed. That is why I rewrote the article, although it has the same structure as the original. You need to look at the new version in my sandbox. One glance will tell you that the criticisms have been addressed and that it is superior to the original article. Also, I wrote the article in such a way that contributors can easily interject new material without destroying the essential structure of the piece. There are many students of Russell

who have expressed dismay and disgust at the old article and wonder how Wikipedia can tolerate such a piece, flawed as it is. Also, there is the issue of defamation and fairness. Wikipedia simply cannot treat a man of such distinction with such disregard for the truth. I urge you to take another look.Chazhardy (talk) 03:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@Chazhardy: Wikipedia works by people making edits, not by people replacing an article that has stood, by consensus, for a long time, with another different article. Use the article's talk page to enquire whether your changes might be appropriate. Determine consensus, and then, and only then, move forward. If yours is supported by excellence of referencing then your edits will win the day. WP:TRUTH seems an appropriate thing to read at this point.
As I have said before, you need to be the one to do this. You are the person who sees the old article as incorrect. Note, please, WP:BURDEN.
On a separate issue, please do group conversations under the same heading. I have had to move your response to this section for completeness. Fiddle Faddle 06:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


Confused about the edits on my page

Hello-

I recently submitted an article regarding Narrative 4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Echarash/sandbox. I was told that it seemed like two things in one and to separate them to resubmit. I was unsure what exactly Timtrent meant by this and was wondering if you could offer further explanation.

Many thanks,

ElizabethEcharash (talk) 02:44, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@Echarash: At User:Echarash/sandbox you have some sort of disambiguation page at the top and then a heading "Narrative 4". What are reviewers meant to be reviewing? If you look at the page it does not look correct. Make it look like something that can be reviewed, please. Fiddle Faddle 06:25, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

06:54:04, 23 May 2015 review of submission by Flower244


Dear Timetrent, I made some changes on the article and I would kindly ask you for a re-review of it. Looking forward to your comments. Flower244 (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Request on 12:21:24, 23 May 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Rajeshnandwani


I had submitted my article on May 22, 2015 & has been rejected. I want to know the reasons behind rejection.


Rajeshnandwani (talk) 12:21, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rajeshnandwani: The deletion log says "13:49, 23 May 2015 Huon (talk | contribs) deleted page Draft:Tripta Innovations (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: also G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://triptasoftware.in/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1:administrator-components...)" And those are the reasons. Fiddle Faddle 16:20, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I need help in creating an article for my page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajeshnandwani (talk • contribs) 12:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Above is the best help I can give you. You may need formal help. Ask at WP:CO-OP and you will receive it. Fiddle Faddle 16:21, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Timtrent. You have new messages at Vin09's talk page.
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Check

Can you check this Template:Villages_in_Kurnool_district which I've created directly.--Vin09 (talk) 06:05, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Same as the others. It appears to be fine. Fiddle Faddle 06:18, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Jocelyn_Scheirer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jocelyn_Scheirer.

Hello! You reviewed this draft and I wanted to make sure I covered everything before resubmitting. Specifically, I am concerned with the references to MIT and the Relevant Published Works section.

Concerning the MIT references, I understand that these may not technically be third-party independent sources, but they are the only sources for certain information. For example, references 13-15 are smaller projects that didn't go outside of the MIT Media Lab. If MIT can't be used I will scrap the information that I can't find other sources for, but would like to include them if possible.

Concerning the Relevant Published Works section, I know I am not supposed to use Scheirer's works as reference to facts in the page, but the Relevant Published Works section only requires references to highlight where I found the peer-reviewed articles. Can I leave these citations as is or do I have to find another source that mentions the peer-reviewed articles?

Thanks for your time and help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsharaf (talk • contribs) 21:22, 15 May 2015‎

@Bsharaf: I regret I will nto have time for a while to answer your questions in a sensible manner. I suggest that you simply resubmit and et another reviewer opine. I rarely re-review drafts. Fiddle Faddle 07:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
@Bsharaf: Forgive my delay in answering. I have, now, some time, and, though my answers are simple, you deserved my having the time to consider your questions. WP:PRIMARY is the information you seek, I think. We may make sparing use of primary sources. In broad terms they may be used to verify facts that are unlikely to be susceptible to challenge, but one must not use only primary sources in an article. I make no comment on whether or not you have done so.
Where a paper (etc) is peer reviewed I see it as useful to cite the review. I will, however, defer to DGG in this, since they specialise, among other areas, in the world of academe. By pinging them I am alerting them to your interest in advice on this draft.
I note that the subject of the article is your CEO and that you have declared the WP:COI on your user page. Thank you. Assuming the draft is accepted, please be very clear on the mechanisms you may use to make future edits. At present, as a draft, the rules are less stringently applied because reviews tend to strip out the things we would complain of in the main namespace. Fiddle Faddle 16:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
"Where a paper (etc) is peer reviewed I see it as useful to cite the review." this is almost never possible--peer reviews are in almost all cases never published; they're not like book reviews--the reviewer is selected by the editor, and send him a report; the editor usually sends all or part of the report to the author of the article, without the reviewers name. . The mere fact of accepting something in a major peer-reviewed journal indicates a favorable review--the importance depends upon the quality of the journal. Published papers by themselves do not constitute proof of notability; highly cited published papers do, with the citations depending on the field. Bsharaf, I normally add the citation figures for the most cited papers. Being a "research assistant" is in many fields the quivalent of just a technician, but from the publications i see she had a more significant role than that. I've accepted the article; it will pass speedy. But you do still needto show here work is cited. DGG ( talk ) 04:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for all your help and for accepting the article! I will add citations to show that each of those works are cited in other reputable works. I will also look into the resources you provided to double check that everything else is where it needs to be. This is all great info so I appreciate you taking the time to help me out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsharaf (talk • contribs) 04:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gender roles in non-heterosexual communities

Hello! Your submission of Gender roles in non-heterosexual communities at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! DES (talk) 18:57, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Brailsford & Dunlavey page

Hi Timtrent,

You were very helpful a couple of months ago in advising on which content was superfluous on the Brailsford & Dunlavey page. Two weeks ago, the site was approved and went live. Two days ago, someone deleted it. And the draft article appears to be gone.

If some editors believe something is notable and another editor believes it isn't, what is its Wiki fate? Reminder: full disclosure: I am a biased participant in this process. I'm also satisfied with whatever decision the Wiki community makes. But it appears all the time invested crafting a Wiki-worthy article have gone to waste, so I'm trying to make sense of what happens next. Would appreciate your feedback.

Best,

Bjrudell (talk) 13:30, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Bjrudell: First read Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Brailsford_&_Dunlavey where I see the deletion discussion took place. I remember our conversation, but not the substance of it and I do not recall sufficient detail about the article to be particularly helpful over the content.
One of the issues we all have to face here is consensus, something formed very publicly when a random collection of editors offer opinions during a deletion discussion. An editor nominated this for deletion and others noticed this and opined. It was then deleted. Examine their comments. They might be correct or might not. Talk to the deleting admin (usually the person who did the physical deletion) about returning it to you in your user space so that you may work on it again.
There is a route to appeal the deletion, WP:DRV, but this is used to appeal the technical aspects of the deletion, and this case was technically correct based upon the opinions given. Fiddle Faddle 13:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@Timtrent: Much appreciated. All makes sense. I've Wiki-mailed the deleter to request a return of the draft article so we can keep it handy in case the company becomes more notable.
@Bjrudell: what is upsetting is that you should not have received the happy glow of acceptance followed by the smack in the face with a wet fish of deletion. We have asked the editor who accepted the draft to step back from reviewing until they gain more experience, and you will see my note on their talk page, too. Is the company notable? I have no idea. But this must form the cornerstone of any future article.
When you redraft, start with the references, and write what they say. Do not write what you want to say, but write what the references say. One of those who offered an opinion, CorporateM is an editor who takes no prisoners and, in failing to take prisoners, offers excellent advice. Their advice that you might not be the right person to draft this because you are close to the topic is worth digesting. If you decide that you are the person to draft it I rate them as an excellent sounding board, if they are willing to offer you advice. I've let them know of this conversation in case they wish to add anything to it. Fiddle Faddle 13:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@Timtrent: Great advice. Yeah, the references are a good starting point because they're objective and (one would assume) entirely factual. Again, thanks for taking the time to explain this stuff. Have learned more about the Wikipedia world in the past two months than I knew in all the years before. Makes me appreciate what you and all of the editors do to keep this site strong. Bjrudell (talk) 14:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
@Bjrudell: Practice with other articles. If you can wrote for Wikipedia you can write for absolutely any audience. It will enhance your career but not your resumé! Fiddle Faddle 15:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

How about a link

Hi,


Is their anything you suggest for me to do to get this article published? any advice would be appreciated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis & Mojo (talk • contribs) 14:23, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Elvis & Mojo: asking for help is best if you help the person whose help you want to help you. Fiddle Faddle 15:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Timtrent,


I don't understand what you mean. I want to get this article published is their anything you can suggest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis & Mojo (talk • contribs) 16:39, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

If you do not provide a link to whatever it is you are talking about I am not interested. Did you look at the title of this section?? Help me to help you. Fiddle Faddle 17:56, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Judging by the OP's contributions, I think Draft:Allumer might be it. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 10:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I suppose it might, Arthur, but I think I have run my course with that one. Do you fancy having a go. I see it as a puff piece with PR based references. Fiddle Faddle 10:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
The Draft itself isn't wildly promotional, and I suppose in the fashion world, having all these celebrity endorsements is a significant thing. I agree the sourcing is very weak, however. Unfortunately my knowledge of fashion goes no further than the early nineteenth century... as you can see from my user page profile picture... so I cannot really see how to take it forward. Perhaps Elvis and Mojo could try asking for advice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fashion. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:34, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


I just don't understand how the sourcing is weak as all the sourcing is from established magazines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis & Mojo (talk • contribs) 14:45, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I've taken some bits out will this help at all? if i just cut down and remove some of the articles https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Allumer&redirect=no — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvis & Mojo (talk • contribs) 16:11, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@Elvis & Mojo: My opinion on the quality of the referencing is unchanged. Altering the quantity is not going to help. But this is my o[inion and I am only one reviewer. If you feel you are correct please resubmit it. I will not be reviewing it again. I almost never offer a re-review. Pose a question at the Articles for Creation Helpdesk (you have the link already) and see what others say by all means before you resubmit. Fiddle Faddle 16:57, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Minor barnstar
You're edits are utmost quality and tasty ;) Cheers CookieMonster755 (talk) 17:57, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Declined Entry for Walter Knabe

Dear Fiddle Faddle,

Thanks for getting back with us regarding our declined entry. There seems to be some confusion though; and it may be mine! My name is John Mavrakis, and I wrote the description and copy for the "Walter Knabe" entry. Walter had nothing to do with this other than my telling him I had done it after it was submitted. I have received several notices that an enbtry cannot be done by the person himself, and I have responded back to each notice that I wrote the entry. How can I get this published, and what did I do wrong? I must admit that this is a very complex process and most confusing to me! Thanks a million! John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wknabe (talk • contribs) 03:17, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

@Wknabe: Go to WP:CHU and request a change of user name anyway. Why you chose Walter's name as a username is a puzzle. I have given you this advice before.
With regard to the draft, follow the instructions there and, if he is notable there is a good chance of getting this accepted. The draft and your user name are separate issues.
You haven't touched the draft since 21 April, nor edited here since 23 April, apart from posting this message. Please take the advice you are given, do the work and resubmit the draft. Someone else will review it. I almost never re-revoew a draft. Fiddle Faddle 07:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Gender roles in non-heterosexual communities

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:48, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Gender roles in non–heterosexual communities

We've done it! It's now officially on the main page! Thank you so much for the help you've given me – Zumoarirodoka (talk) 23:45, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

@Zumoarirodoka: I did very little except aim you in the right direction. I doubt you had heard of DYK before i blundered in. The great achievement is getting any LGBT article to the front page. You did the work. You fought through the reviews. I just gave you tiny steers. Fiddle Faddle 08:50, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Edits to Howard Sachs page

Do not post your draft text here, please. It will be ignored

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Symbol opinion vote.svg Comment: For an article of this length we need the same citations we would need for a living person. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, and is in WP:RS.

The tone is that of a eulogy. Please strike all that is not directly factual. Conjecture and sentiment must go, as must storytelling. This is written for a magazine.

All inline links must be removed, please, and turned into references if appropriate, Wikilinks, or external links in a section so named. See Wikipedia:External links Fiddle Faddle 09:09, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

This is the new version:

Howard Sachs, PhD., M.D., (July 12, 1926 - December 6, 2011), was a neuroendocrinologist who pioneered the rigorous biochemical study of neuroendocrinology, the field which defines how the brain regulates the secretion of hormones by the endocrine glands.

Born in Brooklyn, NY, Sachs served in the US Army from 1944 - 46, a survivor of the WWII battle for Okinawa. Attending college on the GI Bill, he received his doctorate in biochemistry from Columbia University in 1953. He pioneered the scientific field of hormone biosynthesis with his groundbreaking discoveries concerning the production of the hormone vasopressin. At age 48, he left a prestigious scientific career to became a physician.

Contents [hide] 1 Early Life 2 WW II 3 Education 4 Personal Life 5 Research Career 6 Medical School 7 World Travels 8 Research, Teaching and Hospital Positions 9 Awards 10 Society Memberships 11 Publications 12 Notes 13 Further Reading Early Life[edit] Sachs was born to Leo and Bessie Sachs, in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn, New York, on July 1, 1926. The youngest of three children, his parents were Jewish immigrants from Poland, who spoke only Yiddish. Howard's path out of the poverty he was born into began when his high math grades got him accepted to Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan, noted for its math and chemistry departments.

WW II[edit] Sachs joined the army at age 18 and was shipped to Okinawa with the A Company of the 96th Infantry Division. He served from 1944 to 1946. His experiences in the war inspired him to be an anti-war activist during the Viet Nam war.

Education[edit] Sachs attended Brooklyn College on the GI Bill, graduating with a B.S. in 1949. He then went on to get his M.A. in organic chemistry from Columbia University in 1950. In 1953 he received his PhD in biochemistry from Columbia, doing research on a NIH grant under Professor Erwin Brand. In 1976 he received his M.D. from Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine.

Personal Life[edit] While at Brooklyn College, Sachs fell in love with fellow student, Martha Pomeranz. They were married and in 1952 had twin daughters, Linda and Susan, followed in 1955 by daughter Nancy.

Accepting a position at Case Western Reserve University, the family moved to the small town of Chagrin Falls outside Cleveland, Ohio, and Sachs became a full professor by the age of 40. During his sabbatical from 1964 - 65, Sachs and his family lived in Rome, where he taught at the Higher Institute of Health. During his subsequent sabbatical, in 1968, he took a job at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel. In 1970, Howard and Martha divorced.

A trip across the Serengeti Desert in Tanzania in the early 70s inspired the next major change in his life. He recalled, "The beauty and grandeur of what I saw there far exceeded my expectations, but so did the sight of so many suffering people. The prevalence of diseases was staggering. I wanted to help, but as a biochemist, my skills would be useless. . . . I left Africa with a whole new view of the purpose of my life. I wanted to be able to ease the suffering of people in those places where doctors were few and far between."

After attending medical school, Sachs spent 13 years as a doctor working in third world countries across the globe. In 1989 he suffered a seizure brought on by an arterial venous malformation in his brain, and suffered a stroke after the operation to remove it. After rehabilitation, Sachs moved to New Mexico, continuing to deliver lectures, and direct a headache center. He moved to Northampton, Massachusetts in 1995 to be near his daughters, and worked as a physician at the Baystate Medical Center in Springfield.

Sachs wrote a memoir Skydiving into Medical School: From the Slums of New York to the Himalayas which included his account of his solo trek through the Himalayas. In his later years he focused on the problems of the aging population. He proposed serious research be done on three of the main sources of suffering in nursing homes and assisted living facilities: touch deprivation, absence of meaningful dialogue about death and the afterlife, and segregation of the elderly from the cultural mainstream.

He died on December 6, 2011 at the Fisher Home Hospice in Amherst, Massachusetts. Howard is survived by his ex-wife Martha and their three daughters, Susan, Linda, and Nancy, and his grandson Daniel.

Research Career[edit] In his research in the late 1950’s and early 1960’s, Sachs discovered the relationship between neurophysin and vasopressin, a major hormone that is critical to water balance in the body – and showed how they are both part of a larger, inactive precursor protein, which is then enzymatically cleaved to produce them both. His groundbreaking research laid the foundation for understanding the biosynthesis of all brain peptides and proteins, and for that matter, the vast majority of all body proteins. Sachs was honored by the Endocrine Society in the 1960's and several researchers who worked in his lab shared the opinion that his discoveries were Nobel Prize-worthy.

File:Gainer WCNH History of Discovery of Vasopressin Sachs' research elucidated many of the steps in the synthesis of the neurophysin-vasopressin molecule. This complex process led to the “precursor hypothesis” for the formation of small biologically active peptides and opened the way to discoveries of other neuropetides in the 1970s and 1980s, and presaged the identification of precursor proteins useful to nature in such diverse processes as virus production and the production of most secreted proteins.

Sachs showed how a major hormone, vasopressin or antidiuretic hormone - critical to water balance in the body - was synthesized in specialized nerve cells which, although part of the brain, were also capable of secreting the hormone vasopressin into the blood. In his study of the biosynthesis of vasopressin, a small peptide, Sachs showed that vasopressin was initially made as part of a larger inactive precursor protein which was then enzymatically cleaved to give active vasopressin. This led to the “precursor hypothesis” for the formation of small biologically active peptides, which was shown to be true for a host of neuropeptides discovered in the 1970s – 1980s, and presaged the identification of precursor proteins useful to nature in such diverse processes as virus production and the production of most secreted proteins.

He also showed that brain tissue can be kept functionally alive for two months in tissue culture and helped elucidate the interaction between specialized neurons and neuroglial cells and the hypothalamal-neurohypophysial complex (HNC).

Sachs started as a chemist, then became a peptide chemist, and then became a biochemist and left Columbia University in NYC to come to Case Western Reserve where he became an integral part of the physiology department. This move proved to be highly fertile in a much broader area of neurochemistry and neurophysiology. He was in the right place at the right time. After 15 years there, he left CWR to become the section chief of neurochemistry at Hoffman-Roche Institute of Molecular Biology in New Jersey. At the height of his research career, he left to go to medical school to become a neurologist.


Medical School[edit] When Sachs was at the pinnacle of his scientific career, at age 48, he gave up the prestige and financial comfort of his position as the section chief of neurochemistry at the Roche Institute of Molecular Biology and applied to medical school. He wanted to practice in the third world. Despite numerous rejections because of his age, Yale University accepted him when he told them about a recent sky-diving adventure, apparently convincing them he had the stamina it takes to endure the rigors of medical school. However, he chose instead to attend Case Western Reserve School of Medicine, which had also accepted him, returning in 1973 as a student to the university where he had been a professor from 1957 - 1969. He graduated in 1976, completed his internship and residency in neurology at USC in California, and then became a full-fledged neurologist.

World Travels[edit] As soon as he completed his internship at USC, he began fulfilling his mission to deliver care in those areas where doctors are few and far between, and generally volunteered his services. With his friend and colleague David Sunde, he traveled to the Ecuadorean Andes to conduct headache research, followed by 8000 miles of criss-crossing South America including the Amazon, Machu Picchu and the Galapagos. In Sri Lanka he set up a remote vaccination clinic; in Papua New Guinea he attended patients in a medical outpost run by Jesuit Missionaries; he worked in Bosnia, Uzbekistan, China and South Asia.

To explore other cultures, Sachs also traveled to Tibet, Mongolia, Russia, Tanzania, most of Europe, Scandinavia, and Lapland. The two countries he never wanted to visit were Germany because of the Holocaust, and Vietnam because —despite all his anti-war activities —he felt "the guilt at our senseless destruction of their land and people."


Research, Teaching and Hospital Positions[edit] 1950 - 1953 Research Assistant, Dept. of Biochemistry Columbia University, New York 1953 - 1957 Research Associate, Dept. of Biolchemistry Columbia University, New York 1957 - 1958 Senior Instructor, Dept. of Physiology Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland 1958 - 1962 Assistant Professor, Dept. of Physiology Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland 1962 - 1967 Associate Professor, Dept. of Physiology Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland 1967 - 1969 Full Professor, Dept. of Physiology Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland 1969 - 1973 Full Member and Section Chief, Dept. of Physiological Chemistry Roche Institute of Molecular Biology, Nutley, NJ. 1969 - 1973 Adjunct Professor of Pharmacology Columbia University, New York 1980 - 1981 Adjunct Professor, Dept. of Neurology Univ. of Calif., Los Angeles 1981 - 1983 Associate Clinical Professor, Dept. of Neurology USC School of Medicine, Los Angeles 1983 Associate Alhambra Community Hospital, Alhambra, CA 1983 Associate Community Hospital, San Gabriel, CA 1983 Volunteer Huntington Memorial Hospital, Pasadena, CA 1983 - 1991 Assistant Professor, Dept. of Neurology and Director, Headache Clinic State Univ. of NY, Stony Brook, NY 1989 - 1991 Acting Chief, Neurology Service Veterans Admin. Med. Ctr., Northport, NY 1991 - 1994 Director, Santa Fe Headache Center Santa Fe, NM 1995 - 2000 Physician Baystate Medical Center Headache Clinic, Springfield, MA Awards[edit] 1958 - 1969 USPHS Career Development Award 1960 - 1969 USPHS, NSF, USAF Research Grants Society Memberships[edit] Los Angeles Society of Neurology and Psychiatry, Inc. American Academy of Neurology Western USA Pain Society American Society of Biological Chemists Endocrine Society Neurochemistry Society International Association for the Study of Pain Publications[edit] 1. Brand, E., Erlanger, B.F., Sachs, H., and Polatnick, J.: Optical rotation of peptides. II Glycine and alanine tripeptides. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 73: 3510-3511, 1951

2. Brand, E., Erlanger, B.F., Polatnick, J., Sach, H., and Kirschenbaum, D.: Optical rotation of peptides. IV. Lycine tripeptides. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 73: 4026-4027, 1951.

3. Brand, E., Erlanger, B.F., and Sachs, H.: Optical rotation of peptides. V. Alanine tetra-, penta-, and hexpeptides. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 74: 1849-1851, 1952.

4. Brand, E., Erlanger, B.F., and Sachs, H.: Optical rotation of peptides. VI. Tetra- and pentapeptides containing alanine and lycine. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 74: 1851-1852, 1952.

5. Sachs, H., and Brand, E.: Optical rotation of peptides. VII. Alpha- and gamma- dipeptides of glutamic acid and alanine. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 74: 4608 -4610, 1953.

6. Sachs, H., and Brand, E.: Benzyl esters of glutamic acid. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 74: 4610, 1953.

7. Erlanger, B.F., Sachs, H., and Brand, E.: The synthesis of peptides related to gramicidin S. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 76: 1806-1810, 1954.

8. Sachs, H., and Brand, E.: Optical rotation of peptides. VIII. Glutamic acid tripeptides. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 76: 1811-1814, 1954.

9. Sachs, H., and Brand, E.: An examination of the use of carbonyxloxy gamma-L-glutamyl hydrizide in the synthesis of gamma-peptides. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 76: 1815-1817, 1954.

10. Sachs, H., and Brand, E.: The reaction of nitrous acid with gamma-glutamyl peptides. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 76: 3601-3603, 1954.

11. Strecker, H.J., Sachs, H., and Waelsch, H.: Role of thioesters of amino acids in the synthesis of the amide bond. Science 120: 791, 1954.

12. Sachs, H., and Waelsch, H. : Thioesters of glutamic acid. J. Amer. Chem. Soc. 77: 6600-6603, 1955.

13. Sachs, H., and Waelsch, H.: The effect of pyrophosphate on amino acid incorporation into rat liver microsomes. Biochem. Biopsy. Act 21: 188-189, 1956.

14. Sachs, H., and Waelsch, H.: Chemical and enzymic studies of thioesters of glutamic acid and glutathione. Arch. Biochem. Biopsy. 69: 422-434, 1957.

15. Sachs, H.: A stabilized enzyme system for amino acid incorporation. J. Biol. Chem. 218: 23-39, 1957.

16. Sachs, H.: Further studies on the amino incorporating system of rat liver microsomes. J. Biol. Chem. 233: 643-649, 1958.

17. Sachs, H.: The effect of pyrophosphate on the amino acid incorporating system of rat liver microsomes. J. Biol. Chem. 233: 650-656, 1958.

18. Sachs, H.: Vasopressin biosynthesis. Biochem. Biophys. Acta 34: 572-573, 1959.

19. Sachs, H.: Vasopressin biosynthesis. I. In vitro studies. J. Neurochem. 5: 297-303, 1960.

20. Weinstein, H., Berne, R.M., and Sachs, H.: Vasopressin in blood, effect of hemorrhage. Endocrinology 66: 712-718, 1960.

21. Sachs, H.: Studies concerned with vasopressin biosynthesis. Regional Neurochemistry (IV Inter. Neurochem. Symp., Italy) pp. 264-273, 1960.

22. Smith, M.W., and Sachs, H.: Inactivation of arginine vasopressin by rat kidney slices. Biochem. J. 79: 663-669, 1961.

23. Weinstein, H., Malamed, S., and Sachs, H.: Isolation of vasopressin-containing granules from the neurohypophysis of the dog. Biochem. Biopsy. Acta 50: 386-389, 1961.

24. Sachs, H.: Vasopressin biosynthesis. II. Incorporation of [S35] cysteine into vasopressin and protein associated with cell fractions. J. Neurochem. 10: 229-311, 1963.

25. Sachs, H., and Takabatake, Y.: Evidence for a percursor in vasopressin biosynthesis. Endocrinology 75: 943-948, 1964.

26. Takabatake, Y., and Sachs, H.: Vasopressin. III. In vitro studies. Endocrinology 75: 934-942, 1964.

27. Haller, W.E., Sachs, H., Sperelakis, N., and Share, L.: Release of vasopressin from isolated guinea pig posterior pituitaries. Amer. J. Physiol. 209: 79-83, 1965.

28. Sachs, H.: Neurosecretion in the mammalian hypothalamo-neurohypophysial complex. In Peeters, H. (ed.}: Protides of the Biological Fluids. Amsterdam, Elsevier Pub. Co., 1966, pp. 181-192.

29. Sachs, H., Portanova, H., Haller, E., and Share, L.: Cellular processes concerned with vasopressin biosynthesis, storage and release. In Stutinsky, F., (ed.): Neurosecretion IV Intern. Simp. on Neurosecretion. Berlin, Springer-Verlag, 1967, pp. 145-154.

30. Portanova, R., and Sachs, H.: A specific adsorbent for vasopressin. The purification of labeled hormone. Endocrinology 80: 527-529, 1967.

31. Sachs, H., Share, L., Osinchak, J., and Carpi, A.: Capacity of the neurohypophysis to release vasopressin. Endocrinology 81: 755-770, 1967.

32. Sachs, H.: Biosynthesis and release of vasopressin. American Journal of Medicine 42: 687-700, 1967.

33. Sachs, H., and Haller, E.: Further studies on the capacity of the neurohypophysis to release vasopressin. Endocrinology 83: 251-262, 1968.

34. Fawcett, C.P., Powell, A.E., and Sachs, H.: Biosynthesis and release of neurophysin. Endocrinology 83: 1299-131-, 1968.

35. Sachs, H., Fawcett, C.P., Takabatake, Y., and Portanova, R.: Biosynthesis and release of vasopressin. Recent Progress in Hormone Research. New York, Academic Press, 1969, Vol. 25, pp. 447-491.

36. Sachs, H.: Neurosecretion. In Nord, F.F. (ed.): Advances in Enzymology and Selected Topics. New York, Interscience Publishers —John Wiley, 1969, Vol. 32, pp. 327-372.

37. Sachs, H.: Biosynthesis of the neurohypophysis hormones. In Haller, H. and Pickering, B.T. (ed.): Intern. Encyclopedia of Pharmacology and Therapeutics. New York, Pergamon Press, 1970, Vol. i, Section 41, pp. 155-171.

38. Sachs, H.: Neurosecretion. In lajtha, A. (ed.): Handbook of Neurochemistry. New York, Plenum Press, 1970, Vol. 4, pp. 373-428.

39. Sachs, H., Saito, S., and Sunde, D.: Biochemical studies on the neurosecretory and neuroglial cells of the hypothalamo-neurohypophysial complex. In Heller, H. and Lederis, K. (ed.): Subcellular Organization and Function in Endocrine Tissues. Memoirs of the Society for Endocrinology. Bristol, 1970, No. 19, pp. 325-336.

40. Sachs, H.: Secretion of neurohypophysial hormones. In Heller, H. and Lederis, K. (ed.): Subcellular Organization and Function in Endocrine Tissues. Memoirs of the Society for Endocrinology. Bristol, 1970, No. 19, pp. 965-973.

41. Sachs, H., Goodman, R., Osinchak, J., and McKelvy, J.: Supraoptic neurosecretory neurons of the guinea pig in organ culture. Biosynthesis of vasopressin and neurophysin. Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci. 68: 2782-2786, 1971.

42. Sunde, D., Osinchak, J., and Sachs, H.: Nucleic acid metabolism of neuroglial cells of the rat neural lobe. Brain Research 47: 195-216, 1972.

43. Sunde, D., and Sachs, H.: Fractionation of RNA of the rat neural lobe labeled in vitro: Comparison with RNA of cerebral cortex labeled in vivo. Brain Research 47: 217-235, 1972.

44. Sunde, D., McKelvy, J., and Sachs, H.: Studies of RNA methylation and dissociation between RNA and protein biosynthesis in neural lobes of dehydrated rats. Brain Research 47: 237-253, 1972.

45. Sachs, H.: IV Polypeptides as transmitters of interneuronal information. Neurosciences Res. Prog. Bull. 10: 181, 1972.

46. Pliska, V., McKelvy, J., and Sachs, H.: Electrofocusing and gel electrophoresis of bovine neurophysins. European J. Biochem. 28: 110-115, 1972.

47. Sachs, H., Goodman, R., Shin, S., Shainberg, A., and Pearson, D.: Vasopressin and neurophysin biosynthesis in hypothalamic organ cultures. Proceedings of the Fourth International Congress of Endocrinology, Excerpta Medica 573-578, 1972.

48. Pliska, V., and Sachs, H.: The interaction of lysine vasopressin with free and agarose-bound bovine neurophysin II. European J. Biochem 41: 229-239, 1974.

49. Sachs, H., Perason, D., Shainberg, A., Shin, S.. Bryce, G., Malamed, S., and Mowles, T.: Studies on the hypothalamo-neurohypophysial complex in organ culture. International Symp. on Recent Studies of Hypothalamic Function, Calgary, Canada (ed.: K. Lederis), S. Karger Co., Basil 1974.

50. Pearson, D., Shainber, A., Osinchak, J., and Sachs, H.: The hypothalamo-neurohypophysial complex in organ culture: Morphologic and biochemical characteristics. Endocrinology 96: 982-993, 1975.

51. Pearson, D., Shainberg, A., Malamed, S., and Sachs, H.: The hypothalamo-neurohypophysial complex in organ culture. Effects of metabolic inhibitors, biologic and pharmacologic agents. Endocrinology 94: 994-1003, 1975.

52. Pearson, D., Goodman, R., and Sachs, H.: The fetal guinea pig hypothalamo-neurohypophysial complex: Presence of a stimulatory factor for vasopressin and neurophysin biosynthesis. Science 187: 10081, 1975.

53. Sachs, H., Pearson, D., and Neuredin, A.: Guinea pig neurophysin: Isolation, developmental aspects, biosynthesis in organ culture. Annals of the N.Y. Acad. Sci. 248: 36-45, 1975.

54. Walter, R., Audhya, T., Schlesinger, D., Shin, S., Saito, S., and Sachs, H.: Biosynthesis of neurophysin proteins in the dog. Endocrinology 100: 162-173, 1977.

Notes[edit] Further Reading[edit] In 2011, Sachs published a memoir, “Skydiving into Medical School and Other Adventures: From the Slums of New York to the Himalayas.” The book chronicles snippets of his life from unprivileged beginnings as the son of illiterate immigrants who spoke only Yiddish at home, to WW II and the brutality of the battle on Okinawa, to going to college on the GI Bill, and his travels to every continent on the planet, including the Antarctic after he had had a stroke.

1 Early life 2 WWII 3 Education 4 Personal Life 5 Research Career 6 Teaching Career 7 Medical School 8 World Travels 9 Research, Teaching and Hospital Positions 10 Awards 11 Society Memberships 12 Publications 13 Notes 14 Further Reading

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Csvane (talk • contribs) 00:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

00:05:49, 2 June 2015 review of submission by Csvane


Hello, and thank you for clarifying the guidelines. I have edited the page, but have not yet added citations, as I don't understand yet what is actually required. The statements made about Howard Sachs' research contributions can be verified by the 55 articles he published in established scientific journals, but I am assuming this doesn't count. I have one textbook listed that verifies these claims. I would appreciate any further guidance you can give me about how to get the page accepted. Do I need to have footnotes for every detail of the discoveries he made, or is it enough to reference the text book in which he is credited with them?

Thank you. csvane

I assume the edited page will be linked to this request.

Csvane (talk) 00:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

The thing that require citations are each of the fact you assert. Each simple fact requires a reference. Some needs to be cut. Look at "Ear;y life" and decide what is germane to the man and requires citation and what is irrelevant and should be cut. Treat all text the same way. Fiddle Faddle 14:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

13:43:23, 2 June 2015 review of submission by Galit-e


i updated the page, could you please re-review and please let me know if i need to add anything.

best,

galit


Galit-e (talk) 13:43, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

@Galit-e: It is always best if new eyes re-review. Fiddle Faddle 15:01, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Draft: Neue Gestaltung

Hello Timtrent, many thanks for further commenting on my Draft:Neue Gestaltung. Unfortunately the last reviewer dismissed the draft again due to “apparent” absence of reliable and independent sources. As discussed with you earlier, and based on your valuable feedback, I incorporated the suggested changes and believe that the current sources used for referencing are independent, reliable and cover the statements made in the article. After getting in touch with the last reviewer he/she stated a list of very different reasons e.g. “obvious” POV writing style, advertisement etc. I’m currently very puzzled as the reviewer ultimately dismissed the draft for very different reasons which I find contradicting. However, I do understand the issue regarding red links and will remove them asap as it only leads to “dead ends”. Appreciate your feedback on the current situation and will try to get some help at the teahouse. Many thanks in advance. Mehrinhalt (talk) 16:42, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

@Mehrinhalt: This is why we like reviews to happen by different editors. Now, make the changes you think to be right, and resubmit. Fiddle Faddle 17:23, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

18:43:45, 8 June 2015 review of submission by Echarash


Hello Timtrent,

I would like to have my page re-reviewed, as the past time I submitted it there were formatting errors that have been fixed in the most recent copy.

Many thanks for your time,

ElizabethEcharash (talk) 18:43, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Echarash (talk) 18:43, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Echarash: it will be reviewed. Thank you for working out how to make it submittable. Others will look at it. Fiddle Faddle 18:47, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
@Timtrent: many thanks for all of your assistance! elizabeth Echarash (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Could you make sure I'm on the right track?

Hello and I hope you are doing well...

I'm in my 3rd revision to get my article submitted. So much help from others!! I am very grateful. Would you please be able to look at where I am thus far and let me know your thoughts?

Thank you PattiMoly99 (talk) 20:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@PattiMoly99: I have left you a comment at Draft:SHINE Medical Technologies which may help you. Fiddle Faddle 14:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

ENA

Reference to our link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eastern_News_Agency , there are several editors of wikipedia coming up with new set of conditions applying for no reasons. First of all the copy right issue is resolved. Now article creation issue raised on the ground that reference are not reliable. How you know that? All the references are from the National Newspaper of Bangladesh that is used. What else you need? Other things of the text are solely the text of ENA , there should not have problem or conflict of interest. If you as AFC don't want us in the Wikipedia . Its ok , We are already in the national encyclopedia of Bangladesh in Banglapedia , we don't need any wiki or fiki as we are a Historic news agency organization of Bangladesh. It is your misfortune that you were unable to keep us on your wiki and you could create your own credibility. We have doubt that none of your volunteers are educated enough to understand the credibility of news agency and its proposition. First learn then run non profit organization . That s our suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.102.32.106 (talk) 14:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

@122.102.32.106: Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. Please try hard not to make silly and baseless accusations about some sort of bias. I don't care about your organisation one way or another. I care about the quality of the article passionately. Write a well referenced article or not, no-one minds one way or another. But we will only accept a well referenced article. Fiddle Faddle 14:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Note to Timtrent


Notification :

Thank you to review the links.

1. http://www.thedailystar.net/city/death-anniversary-85537 - This link is fully functional and you check again you will find it working. The link is provided as a note that the 9th Death Anniversary of Founder Editor of ENA is marked in the 2015.

2. http://www.jugantor.com/it-technology/2015/05/07/259762 - This link is provided as reference that ENA is still operating as your other AFC team says why the defunct word is used in many references link of ENA . That is why , this link provided to show that ENA is now Datacall online services globally not for PR .

3. http://archive.thedailystar.net/2006/05/23/d60523013325.htm - This link provided to mention that Prime Minister , President , Opposition conveyed condolences to the Chief Editor of ENA remarking the background of ENA roles. Your AFC teams colleagues questioned about ENA background from reliable source . We enclosed the National news coverage of Bangladesh regarding ENA.

4. http://archive.thedailystar.net/2006/02/18/d60218012215.htm - This link provided to showcase the journalist of ENA dies and its background remarked in the national news paper.

5.http://www.pakistanpressfoundation.org/1999/10/hasan-saeed-passes-away/ - This link provided to showcase the journalist of ENA dies and its background remarked in the national news paper.

On contrary, all the above links included as the evidence to prove the Journalist who passes away were nationally recognized journalist of ENA and that relates with the achievement page as most of Bangladesh common peoples knows them very well. Also the remarks now made by AFC team is unjustifiable first they raised about copy right , second about article creation of writing & now links & reference issues. On the other hand , actually what specific the AFC teams wants , we are not clear about facts. Do you want us to be in wikipedia page or no? Please note we seek support so that our article is published on WIKIPEDIA as it is a historic news agency. For no reason it is making a time lengthy issue on Wikipedia talkpage. There are so many coverage of other articles on Wikipedia , we noted those are baseless but AFC and Volunteers are not related to narrate those instead on ENA. IF ENA Aritcle is not standard then AFC TEAMS are really unfit & immature editors to evaluate the materials of the articles. Sorry to say... It has become a joke really since 35 days for no reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.102.32.106 (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

@122.102.32.106: The next reviewer will look at this. I am not interested in your justifications for these appalling pseudo- references. Please learn to sign your posts on talk pages Fiddle Faddle 20:01, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Notification to TIMTRENT

AS YOU ADVISE WE HAVE REMOVED REFERENCES WHICH YOU TERMED AS PSUEDO REFERENCES. ALTHOUGH SUCH REFERENCES ARE NATIONAL NEWSPAPER COVERAGE ABOUT RELEVANT PERSONS CONTRIBUTION AS JOURNALIST OF ENA BY BANGLADESH NATIONS. ANYWAY NOW CONTENTS ARE LEFT AS ARTICLE THAT IS ENCYCLOPEDIC FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION . THANK YOU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.102.32.106 (talk) 01:03, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

My reply is on the draft. I will no longer reply to you on my talk page. You show no sign of listening to me. I will let others attempt to show you what you need to do. Fiddle Faddle 05:53, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Notification Timtrent

We have incorporated the National Encyclopedia of Bangladesh which is Banglapedia which speaks about ENA background both in English and Bengali version which is significant , details and also specific which we used as reference. Please help now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.102.32.106 (talk) 06:08, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Notification to Timtrent

It is very unfortunate that you have nominated our draft for deletion. The reason which you mentioned are very biased and not inclusive in perspective to Bangladesh and its proposition. The Article is edited several times with exclusion of whatever necessary references. The latest references used from National Encyclopedia and also from the State Head Condolence message published from the largest Newspaper of Bangladesh which relates the contribution of ENA significantly and wide coverage. It your own discretion power that you have used and applied set conditions to Wikipedia. We strongly condemned and also notify there are many articles which are baseless on Wikiipedia but still on publication. Our issue was only copy right issue , no other matter. In various moments a new amateur volunteers came up and used their discretion power to select and reject on baseless ground. Our narration includes all independent lawful points regarding reference and relevancy of the article. Volunteers are not authority to direct authors which angle or what condition they should write articles . It is the author to decide notable article for readers attention without harming global community. Anyway we assume Wikipedia does not require us and that is why such amateur volunteers coming up every time since 35 days raising unwanted issues which are not relevant information and biased off course. Our all notification and references information are reliable , traceable and on records documents. Wikipedia declines President Prime Ministers of Bangladesh recognition , National encyclopedia of Bangladesh recognition and National News paper coverage recognition and take it into account as not reliable source. What is the credibility of Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.102.32.106 (talk) 07:17, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

  1. Please sign your posts on talk pages and in discussions
  2. Please address your remarks to the deletion discussion, not to me. Fiddle Faddle 07:20, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

16:56:16, 16 June 2015 review of submission by Cosgraved


Hello Sir,

I was asked to create a wiki page for Scott Miller (now Scott Graham Miller) by an old work colleague as Miller was being considered for a prominent soccer coaching role in Australia. It turns out that someone had created a very poor wiki page and it was obviously declined. I have tried to add basic important facts and remove any poorly referenced material. Miller will be unveiled in June 2015 as the head coach of Newcastle Jets in Australia and will a person of interest for wiki.

Kind regards,

David

Cosgraved (talk) 16:56, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

@Cosgraved: Well, that's all fine. You have submitted it for review and it will be reviewed. Please enjoy improving it while awaiting your turn. Fiddle Faddle 22:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For your hard as steel dedication to reviewing; always remember to keep a kitten's curiosity!

FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:16, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Way cool Thank you. I'm on vacation right now, but I'll be back with the Elephant's Child's Satiable Curiosity Fiddle Faddle 22:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Random acts of baking

Yummy marzipan cake for you!
Thanks for all the hard work you do. Please enjoy your break and we'll see you soon. Diannaa (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Corrections Made to Robert Stone

Re. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stone_%28trail_guide_writer%29

  • I have made the changes that reflect all requests, i.e.:
  • 1) "This article has no links to other Wikipedia articles." DONE
  • 2) "Lists of items should be bulleted with a "*" but no blank line between items." DONE
  • 3) "Footnotes should include the title and date of any given article." DONE

Thank You In Advance For Reviewing My Corrections And Removing The Messages At Article Header. Akligman1 01:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akligman1 (talk • contribs)

@Akligman1: Any editor may remove banners at the head of articles if they believe that the work has been done. Fiddle Faddle 08:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the information! I have removed the banners. Akligman1 16:30, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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