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Asaboo on Dubai International Academic City

Hi, you had deleted my article on Dubai Internation Academic City.

Its not an advertisement for sure as if you read it, I have mentioned my own experiences which includes the good as well as bad points ( the last topic named "the present situation"). Also, about being copied from the link you gave, i have already given a reference link at the bottom and there isnt more than 1 or 2 lines which are directly picked from there.

I have studied there and hence i know about that place. I have read about it too. Hence, I know a lot of details and stuff about it. Moreover, you can find all that written in my own words. Like the last paragraph, it is totally about the present situation of the place.

Or, how do you suggest to do any changes to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asaboo (talk • contribs) 03:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Phelps item on ITN...

Sorry, I really don't have time to discuss the issue, so I'll leave the matter as you reverted it... but, my change is an exceedingly obvious and simple one, so you might want to reconsider, or broach the matter at the talk page yourself. Wikipedia looks silly for noting one Phelps record, but not the other, as both are major news stories.

Best wishes, Xoloz (talk) 14:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed is obvious, the thing is only that there is quite a strong opposition to the new post at the ITN/C pages. Maybe when he wins his 8th medal. Greetings. --Tone 14:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Usain Bolt ITN

On 16 August, 2008, In the news was updated with a news item involving the article(s) Usain Bolt, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently updated or created article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--PeterSymonds (talk) 15:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

per capita ratio

There is no need for source (althrough there are several), it's just simple math dividing 5 medals to 2 mio citizens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.5.26.107 (talk) 09:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, but this qualifies as original research. There are some sources, yesterday I saw one in LA Times I think. But it is outdated already. Wait until the end of the games when it will be clear where which country is. --Tone 09:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to make sure daily medal count table (under Medalists paragraph) stays fully located in this paragraph. We should out the next paragraph (Athletics) down so the table isn't half-located in Medalists, half-located in Athletics. I tried putting some space into [edit:Medalists] but whenever someone edits the full article again, it turns back to previous mode. I hope you know what I want to ask. It just looks a bit extensive.

Je kakšna možnost da bi za stalno premaknili tabelo Daily medal Count na članku Slovenia at the 2008 Summer Olympics. Locirana je pod odstavkom Medalists, vendar na pol gleda v odstavek Athletics. Treba bo nekako premakniti, vendar če naredim kar tako prostor vmes, se ob naslednjem urejanju znova spremeni in je na pol v enem, na pol v drugem odstavku. Ker pa spada bolj ali manj v odstavek Medalists, bi bilo bolje, če bi bila v celoti tam. Tako pa nastane tudi nekaj prostora za nove možne trditve pod Notes. Upam, da se razumeva. Lep pozdrav. Znamkar (talk) 09:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sem ti odgovoril na pogovorni strani članka. LP --Tone 09:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citation need

Prosim poglej Software for handling chess problems, a se samo meni zdi da gre za pretiravanje? --AndrejJ (talk) 12:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Če hočeš imeti dober članek, je treba navajati vire. Konkretno je tukaj na nekaterih mestih pretiravano z oznakami, na drugih so pa ustrezne, jasno, bralec želi referenco zakaj je en program boljši od drugega itd. Saj veliko zunanjih povezav so v bistvu viri, smo označi jih tako. LP --Tone 13:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Čakaj malo, praktično skoraj vsak stavek je označen z oznako cn!? Poleg tega je tematika takšna, da zagotovo ne moreš navesti zunanjih pisnih virov, spletne strani pa so že označene. Ali naj torej vsak cn spremenim v referenco?? --AndrejJ (talk) 13:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hm... ja. Stavki kot are excellent and extremely fast solving programs so brez navedbe vira pristranske, poleg tega je treba dodati vir iz tretje strani, ne domačo stran izdelovalca. No, pri specifikacijah so tudi ti viri dovolj. Seveda lahko malo počistiš, recimo ena referenca na nekaj stavkov, ki so vsi pokriti itd. Če komu ne bo kaj všeč, se bo že oglasil. (če bi bili tudi na sl: tako strogi...) :-) --Tone 13:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take stavke sem že brisal, bom še malo počistil. --AndrejJ (talk) 14:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting my categories

Why have you just reverted my insertion of categories into the templates? Fine you don't like the logo but to revert my edits on categorizing the templates was bang out of order. I'll assume it was a mistake and that you had wrongly assumed I had added a logo to them all The Bald One ^{White cat} 16:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I have already seen that I've made a mistake and hopefully reverted my wrong reverts. Sorry... --Tone 16:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The idea was to put the main ones into Category:2008 Summer Olympics sports templates but I don't want to continue now The Bald One ^{White cat} 16:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC) OK no worries I;ve readded them. Should be all covered now. Shame about the logo though as the idea of having the official logo in the templates isn't that much of a bad idea even if that particular image wasn't suited The Bald One ^{White cat} 16:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coaching matches found

I'm pleased to inform you that several strong candidates for Admin coaching have requested a coach and that I've compiled a short list of candidates you can select from in picking a coachee. Or you can visit the Current requests section and pick another prospective coachee.

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You may wish to consult the Coaching methods page for models other coaches have found successful.

Malinaccier (talk) 00:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Azeri names

Hi,

be careful about Azerbaijani spelling. They use their own special characters. IMO there should at least be some redirect pages for some of the athletes: [1], [2], [3]. --Jalen (talk) 12:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I have created redirects for all three. If you notice any more, let me know. --Tone 14:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Namig Abdullayev/Namiq Abdullayev is one such example. I spotted another inconsistency: this article [4], for example, uses the original Azerbaijani spelling in its title and has the transliterated version as redirect. Some compromise solution should be found here. --Jalen (talk) 14:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Wah bombing

No sources? Someone had screwed up the bottom of the article with this edit; that's why you didn't see the references section. ~~Still, I don't see how you could have thought there were no sources, since there were multiple footnotes present in the article.~~ Nevermind, looks like you saw that now. And what's with this bureaucracy over discussing clear ITN-worthy candidates? A number of similar terrorist attacks have been added to ITN in recent months. A few examples: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 15:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding it back. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 15:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the News- Usain Bolt 200 metres

Hi there Tone. Can you sort this out please?[10] Cheers. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 12:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! Sillyfolkboy (talk) 12:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

US water polo

I was hoping that somebody would get around to adding a page for our men's national water polo team at some point. I think it was our only significant national team that still wasn't represented on Wikipedia. So I just wanted to say thank you for doing that, and maybe I should apologize for my own laziness in not doing it myself when I saw it was still a red link a few weeks ago. --Altar of Kez (talk) 17:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Well, you can still expand it a lot, I created just a stub. Cheers. --Tone 17:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hockey stubs

Hi could you please use the official beijing 2008 website a provide a link for birth dates. Thanks The Bald One ^{White cat} 20:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Olympian articles

I noticed you were creating many articles on athletes who won a medal in Beijing. If you could, please change future articles to say "who won a medal at the Olympics" rather than "who has won a medal at the Olympics." It is not encyclopedic phrasing to use the perfect tense. Thanks, Reywas92 ^Talk 20:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I usually use past simple. Maybe sometimes perfect appeared when I was copying the etxt from somewhere else. I'll pay more attention, thanks for pointing this out. --Tone 20:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, a comma does not belong before the word who in this usage. For example, Khetag Gazyumov should read "is a Azeri wrestler who won a bronze medal..."

Wait a minute, these articles don't have references! When you create a new article it must WP:CITE a source! A simple link to beijing2008.cn or nbcolympics.com is fine, but there needs to be something. Thanks for your efforts, Reywas92 ^Talk 20:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know about the references. I am planning to expand them a little later. Most of the new articles attract other editors that add the references as well. Hm, if you think a link to beijing2008.cn is enough, I'll add this now already, I was thinking about more detailed links but this is reasonable enough. --Tone 10:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well like you said, they can expand soon. But at some point (not too far away I hope) they should link directly to the athlete's profile on the external site. Thanks! Reywas92 ^Talk 21:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huh?

Discussion is happening here.--chaser - t 06:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks. [11] -- Tcncv (talk) 13:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well done

Awarded to Tone for hard work on 2008 Olympics articles. **Blnguyen** (*bananabucket*) 06:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, appreciated. --Tone 13:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ITN

On 25 August, 2008, In the news was updated with a news item involving the article(s) Spanair Flight AJK 5022, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently updated or created article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

On 25 August, 2008, In the news was updated with a news item involving the article(s) Iran Aseman Airlines Flight 6895, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently updated or created article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

Spencer^T♦^C 00:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced new articles

As you're busy cranking out articles at the rate of 8 a minute(!!!), do try to remember to include references. You must be getting the info from someplace, no? 71.204.176.201 (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DEFAULTSORT

On all these new articles you're adding, it would be very helpful if you would also include a DEFAULTSORT template just before the categories. Something like: {{DEFAULTSORT:Family_name, Personal_name}} [[Category:Living people]

Otherwise, someone (often me) will have to find all those articles and fix them.

Note that many asian names, especially Chinese, have the family name first. For example, the Gold Medal diver Guo Jingjing's family name is "Guo" and she should have a DEFAULTSORT that reads <nowik></nowiki>. An omitted defaultsort is a common error for an asian-style biography article; it's not a huge problem since the bare article name sorts very close to where the correct DEFAULTSORT would put it. A problem only arises when we have a westernized name with the same family name, "Jane Guo" and "John Guo" should to either side of "Guo Jingjing", but without the comma in her sort key, she would sort before Jane.

Also note that for names that contain accented characters, we MUST remove the accents to get correct sorting (it's a long story). For example, the track star Blanka Vlašić has a DEFAULTSORT that reads {{DEFAULTSORT:Vlasic, Blanka}}.

Sadly, there are a lot of other special rules, but the above covers 98% of all personal names your likely to see in Olympic rosters. Studerby (talk) 15:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Good, I didn't know about the Asian names trick. As you have probably seen, I've mostly been creating placeholders, adding more details, including defaultsort, birthday and so on will probably come around some time soon. Cheers. --Tone 18:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Credit for ITN

Thanks for updating the Koshi river news article to ITN page. But as part of the process, I think you missed to credit me for the news update. Not that I am complaining, but I like to collect these types of ITN sovienier for my collection. Please award me one on my talkpage as per the process. Keep up your good work on ITN - I support you are last admin left on Wikipedia who cares for ITN. --gppande «talk» 15:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey buddy, just thinking if I deserve a similar sovienier again this time for Indo-US nuke deal article getting to the ITN? --gppande «talk» 19:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just paste this on the talk page. It is clean. You just need to pass the date and article name as parameter and template expands it.

{{UpdatedITNNom|06 September|2008|Indo-US civilian nuclear agreement}}

Big thanks for your great and continuous hard work in keeping ITN regularly updated.--gppande «talk» 16:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ITN for Aug 28

How does this formulation look:

Tropical Storm Gustav makes landfall on the island of Jamaica. The storm is reponsible for at least 51 deaths in Haiti and 8 more in the Dominican Republic.

Let me know if you see any room for improvement. caknuck _° is not used to being the voice of reason 21:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I see you've already updated ITN. Thanks, caknuck _° is not used to being the voice of reason 21:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ITN Hurricane Hanna

I uploaded the image here at Image:464px-Hanna 2008-09-01 over Bahamas.jpg. Can you protect it and add it to the main page? Thanks. naerii 11:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFAR alert

One of the arbitrators has asked that every admin who is arguably involved in the events at Sarah Palin be notified of an arbitration case covering it. I therefore draw your attention to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#MZMcBride. In your case, you are, like me, one of those who made an edit to the article while it was full protected. GRBerry 18:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledged. Hm, though that edit of mine was not controversial, I'll probably stay away from the article for a while... --Tone 19:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ITN

Hey Tone. Thanks for your hard work in updating ITN. Whenever you post new items, can you add the tag {{ITNtalk}} with the date to the talk page of the article? Thanks, Spencer^T♦^C 00:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledged. I'll do my best to remember this every time :-) Cheers. --Tone 12:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Spencer^T♦^C 14:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pavle Kozjek

Please, see the article. --AndrejJ (talk) 07:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Are there any particular issues you want me to help with? --Tone 12:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "What a Brilliant Idea!" Barnstar

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		An extra thanks for putting Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's road race up for FA. I don't think anyone else was itching to do that, and it clearly was a brilliant idea :D Don't fall asleep ^zzzzzz 03:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! --Tone 09:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Boone

I think you accidentally deleted Mary Boone. I'm confused, because there was no request or discussion, as is typical when an article may be considered unencyclopedic. She and her gallery is one of the most prominent art dealers in the world, and have been for the last 30 years. --Knulclunk (talk) 04:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article was tagged as unencyclopedic, indeed. It was also the third time it got deleted, so I suggest you turn to deletion review and to gain the consensus to restore the article there. (if I was the first who deleted the article I would restore it myself but since I am not, drv is a better place.) Greetings. --Tone 10:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for Mary Boone

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Mary Boone. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Knulclunk (talk) 13:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Boone

Do you have any objection to this being closed as "speedy keep"? She is a major figure, and it's all keeps to date. Ty 01:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patria affair

Hi, I think it would make sense to rename the article to Patria case or something similar, per Wikipedia:Words to avoid#Scandal, affair. It should also be revised for POV. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 14:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could be, but most of the media refer to it as affair, what is in compliance with common name guideline (at least most of the people would look for it under that name). The guideline you quote recommends to use the word affair only in well established cases - this indeed is not historic case but will probably be in some time. So renaming now and renaming back in a couple of years? Hm... doesn't make much sense for me... Do we have any other alternative names we could use? And what part of the article do you think could contain POV? Perhaps it would make sense to ask someone who has yet not been involved in writing this article to check. --Tone 15:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

100k+ Google hits for Afera Patria would suggest that this name is widely used. Just a comment. --Tone 15:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I won't object the usage of the word affair if the allegiations are proven. However, using this word now seems pov to me. Per Affair: 'Affair' may be used as a euphemism and in some cases to add glamour to an illicit liaison or it may be used to slander. In addition to that, we're talking about the English not Slovenian (and sensationalistic) name. In English, we have 512 hits for "patria affair" and 892 hits for "patria case" using Google. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 16:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True. I will move this discussion to the article's talkpage. Let's get some more opinions before further action. --Tone 20:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Hi Tone! I saw that you have changed the infobox back at Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race. But for Olympic pages this infobox {{Olympic Games Cycling}} is for the main page Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics and the infobox {{Footer olympic champions road cycling men}} is for the winner (in this case Samuel Sánchez) and for the special result page like Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race. Please see also e.g. Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics and Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 100 metres. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 16:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really? I thought there is a more specific box, like 100 m at the Summer Olympics, that has links to all previous events. The Olympic champion box should only be for the champion, I think... --Tone 21:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes really! :) No sorry, there isn't a more specific box. And I don't think that it is necessary to create a special infobox for every event. But for a long time I have the idea in my mind to give a link to every special event via the year in all these infoboxes. So you can go to every event and to every champ. Like this:

You can also see that there was a question on the talk page about the history of this event, please see [12]. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 19:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now I am confuesed. Check the marathon events, they have year-by-year infobox instead champion one. --Tone 20:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it's fine. I take that back. Better template, indeed. Regards. --Tone 20:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I know about the marathon template, but I think there is also no need for this template... Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 22:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your deletion of Deep Six (nautical term)

Hi Tone - this just happened to show up on my watchlist (I have Deep Six watchlisted, and I noticed that somebody had added the above article to it, and I checked it out), and I admit that I don't see how this was an A1. The subject seemed to me to be easily identifiable. Would you object to my undeleting it? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 15:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Probably not really an A1. But the article is in very bad shape, no wikification, not much more than dictionary definition and the last paragraph seems like OR. I have no objections if you undelete it but please, improve it a bit then. Cheers. --Tone 15:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd undeleted it and had started wikification when I noticed that, while it's probably not an A1, it's a flagrant G12. Deleted once again, and sorry to have bothered you. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 15:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ITN/C

I finished updating the landslide article. I suggested some wording at WP:ITN/C. Thanks, Spencer^T♦^C 15:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks...one quick change in the wording. Can you change it to:...at least 178 people, because there are many more missing in the mud. Spencer^T♦^C 16:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another ITN can go up, the 2008 Chatsworth train collision (September 12). This could also be used with the image Image:Chatsworth Train Collision 20080913-022324.jpg. Thanks again, Spencer^T♦^C 18:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem Tone. I've been doing the talk pages and updaters page for the last few items. Thanks again. Spencer^T♦^C 21:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh...the clock needs to be reset to account for the train collision. Thanks agan, Spencer^T♦^C 21:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

		The Original Barnstar
		For your amazing work at keeping ITN up and running well today. Great job! Spencer^T♦^C 21:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this one. With the short difference between last reset and the last update, I didn't bother with the reset... I'll keep it in mind anyway. --Tone 21:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anime Festival Asia

Dear Tone,

I recently added in a Wiki page named Anime Festival Asia.

It is convering a press conference which the organisers of the festival announced the details.

The press conference was also covered by Singapore's national news agencies, here are links to the coverage:

http://www.reddawncommunications.com/pressreleases/AFA08/JASpressconference/PressKit/Clippings/04.09.08-BT-Networking%20Opportunities.JPG http://www.reddawncommunications.com/pressreleases/AFA08/JASpressconference/PressKit/Clippings/04.09.08-TY-Anime%20Delights.jpg http://www.reddawncommunications.com/pressreleases/AFA08/JASpressconference/PressKit/Clippings/11.09.08-MYP-Akira%20Director%20To.JPG

It was also covered by many notable blogs in Singapore and the region.

Would like to enquire why the page was deleted, and if so under what circumstance can this event be featured on Wiki.

Many Thanks, Shawn —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasabe888 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The article was deleted (twice), because it reads like an advertisement. Remember, WP is an encyclopedia, therefore it is inapropriate to include things like Published rates for tickets is at $8 for a 2 day pass and $5 for a 1 day pass. According to the organisers, children under the age of 6 get in for free. I suggest you start the article from the scratch, if you have any problems, feel free to ask. Greetings. --Tone 11:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice. Will rewrite the article again. Many Thanks, Shawn Wasabe888 08:51, 14 September 2008

Speedy deletion of "The Varangian Way"

Apparently I missed the warning that this article was up for deletion, because I definitely would have argued against it. I do recall that there was a lot of material just copied straight from some source, but being an album article, there was plenty of legitimate material in there as well (song list, credits, album art...).

So could you undelete it? If you don't believe wikipedia should be carrying album articles with only basic info, then you've got a lot of work to do. --Gueneverey (talk) 18:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The problem with the article was that it was tagged as blatant copyright infringment. Otherwise, the topic itself seems ok. --Tone 18:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe song lists and album credits are copyright infringement. If they are, then every album article in wikipedia must be a copyright infringement. If you undelete the article, I'll remove the blatant CI. But that will still save me the work of re-writing all the basic info for the article. --Gueneverey (talk) 18:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I wanted to add this before but I was interrupted. Let's do it this way: I recreate the article, then you fix it and I delete it again and recreate only the last version to solve the problem with copyright. Tell me when you're done. Greetings. --Tone 18:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, copyrighted material is out. Thanks a lot! --Gueneverey (talk) 18:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 03:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Rowing at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's lightweight double sculls

I have nominated Rowing at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's lightweight double sculls, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rowing at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Women's lightweight double sculls. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 02:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Spokesman

Hi,

I'm curious to find out why you decided to delete The Spokesman page. It is the journal of the Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation and is edited by Ken Coates. The latter are both listed. The journal has been in circulation since the early 1960's when Bertrand Russell first published it. I believe, therefore, The Spokesman should be re-listed as it is a valuable source of information and has several endorsements and fans such as Noam Chomsky and Kurt Vonnegut (who was a great friend to us).

For more information you can visit http://www.spokesmanbooks.com/acatalog/spokesman_journal.html

Kind regards Abi Rhodes Spokesman Books —Preceding unsigned comment added by AbiRho (talk • contribs) 12:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realise I had to sign my message above. So in order to follow best practice here is my signature for The Spokesman message. --AbiRho (talk) 13:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. It seems that the article I deleted was about a different newspaper, this was the first sentence: The Spokesman is the student newspaper of Princeton Day School, in Princeton, New Jersey. Its circulation is 1600 and includes students, employees, parents, and alumni of the school. And the notability of that one was not established. The one you talk about seems notable, I invite you to start the article. Greetings. (Kurt Vonnegut is a great author, I've read some books by him :-) ) --Tone 13:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just a Geek

Hi, you deleted that article back in March as a prod. I'm contesting that deletion and would like it undeleted. Thanks. JoshuaZ (talk) 21:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Please, fix it, otherwise it may get deleted again. Cheers. --Tone 21:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About what happened in Kauhajoki

Hi. We already have the article "Jokela school shooting" so shouldn't we also have "Kauhajoki school shooting"? It's basically a similar incident. -- Jepa (talk) 09:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. When I created the initial stub, I was still gathering info. I see it's moved already. --Tone 10:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, let's wait a while. The redirect exists already so it should be easy to find. --Tone 10:02, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More deleted stuff...

Posting from another PC without my account...

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This page has been deleted. The deletion log for the page is provided below for reference.

   * 18:35, 12 April 2008 Tone (Talk | contribs) deleted "Ravioli code" ‎ (WP:PROD, reason was 'Fails WP:NEO. This is merely a humorous way of describing modularity (programming).'.)

Actually, it isn't in the slightest bit humorous at all. It is a deadly serious problem with software developed by those too keen to break things down. Not only that, but neologisms are NEW words, that has been around since the 70's when computers were new...

Fred.

It was deleted in the prod process. Since you object, I will recreate it and pur it to AfD, standard procedure. Cheers. --Tone 10:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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--Spencer^T♦^C 19:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Motlanthe's election

Could you add the South African presidential election page on the current headlines. Thanks Rizalninoynapoleon (talk) 09:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kgalema Motlanthe is sworn in as the President of South Africa, succeeding Thabo Mbeki. is on ITN already. Or do you mean a specific link to be included? --Tone 10:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ITN

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--Spencer^T♦^C 17:22, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey!

Could you also have a look at ITN candidates for September 29? Thanks --make a difference 08:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ITN

Hi Tone. I'm willing to help out more on ITN where I can. I've updated the picture per your edit summary note (although not by much), as none of the most recent stories there at present have a usable image. What else can I do to help? fish&karate 10:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! It would be nice if you could occasionally check the ITN/C page and put the items that have a consensus in the ITN template. The problem now is that I am one of the few admins active there so when I am not around, good stories sometimes don't make it on Main page soon enough. And this is a pity because ITN is supposed to bring attention to the newly updated articles. The ITN/C system is not difficult, you'll see. Cheers. --Tone 11:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I see we might need a new image on ITN. If you post the Faina item, I'll upload Image:MV_Faina_-_pirates.jpg here to wikipedia. I'll upload the image now, if you don't mind. Spencer^T♦^C 13:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image is Image:MV Faina pirates.jpg. Spencer^T♦^C 13:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done this one. I'll keep ITN/C watchlisted, and help out whenever I can, it seems pretty straightforward. fish&karate 07:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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RFA Thanks

Tone, I'd like to thank you for voting in my RFA. Thanks also for expressing your trust in me, and I hope that I live up to your expectations. I'll start helping out with ITN, and if I'm not doing something right, please let me know. Thanks again, Spencer^T♦^C 02:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A short reminder

Hi. Thanks for closing some prods. I just want to remind you that when you are deleting an article, remember to delete its talk page as well. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 19:54, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Until now, I was sure that there is a bot who deletes orphaned talkpages. In case there isn't one, I'll have to pay more attention... I'll check. Thanks for the reminder. --Tone 20:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here. User:MZMcBride/Adminbots. Huh, a thought of leaving hundreds of orphaned talks has crossed my mind... But luckily there is a bot for it. --Tone 20:39, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bonny Doon Village Airport

Good day and thanks for all of the work you put in to making Wikipedia a better place and your patience in helping educate contributors such as myself who isn't aware of all the changing details required for articles. I logged in today to verify and update some information on the Bonny Doon Village Airport in Bonny Doon, CA and noticed it had been deleted for it's lack of notability, and therefore had been removed from the List of airports of Santa Cruz County, California, and the links removed on the Bonny Doon, CA page as well. Two comments on those items and then we can proceed in whichever direction seems right:

Removal from the list of airports seems incorrect because the last item on the Notability page mentions: "Airport lists: A list of airports for a country or region may contain the names of all airports, notable or not." so it would seem that charted private use airport could be restored to the list of airports.

As for the notability of Bonny Doon Village Airport, I can see from the previously existing article that it might not qualify, and it still might not, but wanted to add some details. The airport was a public use airport from 1930 through 1964 when it transitioned to private use. The airport property is open to public agencies as needed quite often. For example, the property is the primary base of operations for wildfires in that area housing both rotary wing aircraft and crews when actively working fires. Not aviation related, but the site is publically available for astronomy, amateur radio operations, community art and wine festivals, and I believe Boy Scout camps on a regular basis. With the airport being such a center of that small community I had believed it warranted a page providing it's history and current information. DanDawson (talk) 22:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I agree, while not all the airports deserve own articles, they can still be on the list (I didn't remove those, BTW). Regarding the Bonny Doon Village Airport, if you rewrite the article and include details you mention, I guess it will be fine. You may as well want to contact User:Ikluft who tagged the articles in the first place. Greetings. --Tone 07:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

deletionpedia item TODALS - consider un-deletion of this item.

Tone:

TODALS appears to be a valid term (mnemonic) to describe the items that SHOULD be present on a good map:

Title - (every good project deserves a name!)

Orientation - (usually in relation to N/S/E/W, but even something like "that way to Lake Michigan" gives a clue as to which way to orient the map to the ground).

Date - (geological features may not change very rapidly, but man-made features are changing all the time. Good to know WHEN this map was valid!)

Author - (WHO made the map might help you to determine just how much to believe this short-hand representation of "reality")

Legend - (what does that squiggly line mean?)

Scale - (how near or how far the important features on the map from where YOU are now is an essential element in a useful map)

Alternatively, in terms of the classic five "W"s of good journalism:

Who - author What - legend Where - orientation and scale Why - title When - date

I think the definition that I saw in the deletionpedia file had some other item in the "S" position.... But without a SCALE, I think the map is probably not worth the electrons it was written with...

My daughter had a homework assignment where she was supposed to include all of the TODALS elements on her map.... so even if it isn't a POPULAR term, it's still a TERM and it is still being taught.

jt

Jthphoton (talk) 16:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The article I deleted was considerably shorter than your argumentation why I should restore it :-) Ok, it's back but I invite you to expand it and if possible, add a referecnce because it is in a poor shape at the moment. Cheers. --Tone 18:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please restore the Anti-cliché page. It deserves to be on wikipedia. I disagree with its deletion. Ironically, you can't even find it in any web-dictionary. Anti-cliche is a neologism that is a literary device which exists in the transgression and subversion of language norms. If we delete this page then we by the same logic must delete trope, slang, neologism, and many many many others. In its state (before it was deleted) it may have been a 'stub', but it certainly deserves inclusion in the wikipedia.Winjammer (talk) 07:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. But it is still unreferenced, one may want to fix that... Greetings. --Tone 09:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for Morning Sedition

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Morning Sedition. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Dravecky (talk) 17:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please explain more fully...

Could you please explain more fully your deletion of Thomas Hartmann (USN). I started this article. Whoever tagged it with {{prod}} did not comply with the convention that those tagging articles for deletion advise the contributor who started the article.

I'd like to know what justification this tagger offered.

I have had some wikistalkers. I'd like to know who this tagger is. I'd like to know if it was one of my wikistalkers.

Please correct me if I am wrong. If there is a problem with a {{prod}}, and it really would have been contested, if the tagger had advised the article creator, admins usually just revert the deletion? But the article might then be nominated for deletion, correct?

If I asked you for userification, decided the article was worth going through the hassle of an {{afd}}, then I would be entitled to move it back to article space?

I created this article when I started the article on Thomas Hartmann (USAF). Thomas Hartmann (USN)'s share of that work probably worked out to about two hours.

Candidly Geo Swan (talk) 09:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Indeed, contested prods usually get reverted and sent to afd. I have done so. The whole history of the article is preserved so you can check the previous edits. I hope it helps. Greetings. --Tone 09:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am sorry, but restoration to article space is not what I requested. I requested you to userify the article, and give me a chance to review whether I wanted to try to defend the article at an {{afd}}.

As you know the wikipedia has civility policies. Participants are asked to try to reach decisions through civil, reasoned discussion. I see the wikipedia as trying to cultivate a culture of collegiality, civility, tolerance, and the assumption of good will. It is a work in progress, but one can generally rely on that culture of civility on most talk pages.

I find the complete opposite on the wikipedia's deletion fora. It seems to me that the wikipedia's intention to cultivate a culture of collegiality there are failing. It seems to me that a subculture of intolerance has arisen in those fora -- and that breaches of the wikipedia's civility policies are so routine there that they pass without comment, or possibly without the regular participants even noticing.

I find participation in those discussion extremely unpleasant, due to the subculture of intolerance and incivility.

I believe my request was a reasonable one. I believe you should have userified the article, or, if you had some objection to doing so, told me to take it DRV, for userification.

I am assuming you had no malicious intent in mind when you chose to restore the article to article space, and nominate it for {{afd}}, rather than comply with my request. But I believe you erred in your exercise of authority in doing so. And I think I should tell you I am unhappy with your choice.

Candidly, Geo Swan (talk) 03:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. You are probably right, going through afd is somehow hard. Ok, I will close the afd and userfy the content of the article. Then you decide what's the next step. I hope you have no hard feelings about my previous action, I thought that was a reasonable thing to do. Greetings. --Tone 07:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks. All's well that ends well. Cheers Geo Swan (talk) 14:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

tet (film)

you deleted our movie page as being primary source. this is my first article, so i don't really know what i'm doing, but can we get it back up with http://www.tetthemovie.com/press.htm? there are links there to at least 5 3rd party publications referencing the filming of our movie including newspapers and national public radio. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drinkytheclown (talk • contribs) 09:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The reason for deletion, as the nominator stated, was primary-source only, film not filming, questionable notability. There is a more detailed guideline about future films, see WP:NFF. So I suggest you wait until the film is released. I hope this helps. Greetings. --Tone 11:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please restore Papa Nero (song)

Hi. I noticed that the article Papa Nero (song), which I had created some time ago, was deleted earlier this year. Unfortunately I have been kept away from Wikipedia for several months, and only noticed the fact now.

Please allow me to beg for the article to be restored; or at least, copied to my personal area. It appears that the reason for deletion was "non-notable". However, I would argue that it is in fact more "notable " than many other articles in Wikipedia:

It seems that the song was moderately popular in Italy around 1970. I would bet that more than a million people in the world still remember the song and its name.
As far as I know, it is the only song in the Venetian language that has got a significant media exposure (at the Sanremo Festival) and significant record sales, outside the Veneto region.
As such, it is an important reference in the Venetian language article, on which I have extensively worked in the past; especially about the modern usage of Venetian (which is almost dying out). In fact, I wrote the Papa Nero article mainly as an acessory of Venetian language.
For the same reason, the song is of more-than-usual interest to the few and scattered Venetian language speakers, Venetian emigrants and their descendants all over the world.
The article contained linguistic and cultural information (such as the Venetian text with English translation) that is hard to find elsewhere, especially by readers who are not Italian or Venetian speakers.

If the article is unsuitable for Wikipedia, I would still like to post it in my private home page here at my University. Unfortunately, it did not occur to me that I should save a copy... Please help. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 22:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I see the article was restored already. So I guess it's fine now. Greetings. --Tone 10:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ITN

On 26 October, 2008, In the news was updated with a news item involving the article(s) 2008 Yemen floods, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently updated or created article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

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Vantage Master Master data

Hi Tone. Could you tell me a better place to put my data on Vantage Master characters? (page deleted was Vantage Master Masters.) There's now a dead link to it on the Vantage Master page. It really needs a tag showing that it's a secondary level article, the Vantage Master page gives the full context but the Vantage Master Masters entry adds some data that new players can use to decide what Master they would like use as their character.

I should add that it took me about 8 or so hours to compile that data and the related data on how to become various masters (Vantage Master Questions) Morris Darkstar (talk) 01:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Probably there is a better place for this list but I really don't think it is appropriate for Wikipedia. I suppose there should be an appropriate wiki to post it... maybe check Wikia. I hope that helps. Greetings. --Tone 10:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of recently emptied category

You deleted Category:Fictional females stating "C1: Empty category". However, C1 is for "Category that has been empty for at least four days." That category had been emptied only hours beforehand, see here. Please comment (RSVP here). - Fayenatic (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Hm... I don't really know how to check if a category has been empty for 4 days because it's not seen in the history and there are no articles in it to check. So I must rely on the person who tagged it and the fact that it is indeed empty. Anyway, is there a problem here? Does it need to be recreated? Cheers. --Tone 22:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was afraid of that. Might be worth checking the contribs of the person who tagged a category as C1 in future... I certainly think this should be re-created, and have left a note for Jc37 asking for an explanation, saying I intend to take it to DRV. Is there a simpler alternative? - Fayenatic (talk) 23:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can simply recreate it without DRV... But it's still empty, are you planning to populate it? --Tone 23:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That would be very helpful! Yes, I can undo the edits that emptied it. As a non-admin I could of course re-create it, but not with the edit history. Please can you also re-create its sub-cat Category:Female stock characters? - Fayenatic (talk) 23:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Cheers. --Tone 23:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent - many thanks. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored both cats for now. I suggest this is moved to xfd if the need to delete arises. Greetings. --Tone 23:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the notice and your help in this. - jc37 00:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Tank research and development

Hi Tone, can you please point me towards the log of the deletion discussion for this article? I cannot seem to find it anywhere and I've followed every lead I can think of (PROD archives, page links and your contributions). It's as though it just vanished. Thanks Dhatfield (talk) 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The articles that get deleted in a prod process are not archived anywhere. They are just tagged (in this case essayish with too much original research) and deleted in 5 days if there are no objections. Would you like me to recreate it? Then, we can still send it through the afd process. Greetings. --Tone 22:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, would you please restore the article so that I can move to a sandbox, replace with a stub (until the article is ready) and address the objections to style and originality? It's a valuable addition to the Tank article cluster and if I remember correctly it has some useful content which is hard to come by when discussing classified military technology. Thanks. Dhatfield (talk) 13:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Restored. Have a look what can be done. Good luck. --Tone 14:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heinrich Lilienfein

Could you restore please? Now there's an article in the German Wikipedia. Thx, your --Michael Reschke (talk) 23:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. However, it has no references or other assertion of notability. So you should fix that, otherwise it will get deleted again. Greetings. --Tone 23:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sci-flux Deletion

Could you please justify why you deleted my article. Yes, it's not that well substantiated but I'm now coordinating to the parties involved in the article to improve the said article. I logged in today in Wikipedia ready to edit the article but I just only found out that the article was deleted. Please give me the reason and reconsider posting again the article. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejikieru03 (talk • contribs) 10:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The article was deleted in the prod process. Since you object the deletion, I will restore it but you should address the problems because otherwise it can get deleted again. Greetings. --Tone 10:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]