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Mahamoud Ali Youssouf in 2013
Mahamoud Ali Youssouf

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Glossary

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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

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Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

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February 18

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February 18, 2025 (2025-02-18) (Tuesday)

February 17

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February 17, 2025 (2025-02-17) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Delta flip-flop

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Article: Delta Connection Flight 4819 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Delta Bombardier (pictured) flips on landing at Toronto. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN],
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: No, nobody was killed but the nature of the accident seems remarkable and likely to be of interest to our readers given the stream of other aviation accidents in North America lately. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose and procedural close, as per PK3. The discussion already has been snowclosed before. I’ve voted for delete on the AfD discussion. Barely significant. 64.114 etc 00:04, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose - At AfD and barely significant enough for ITN. EF5 23:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on significance. If we posted every aviation incident on this scale ITN would stand for "In Travel News". We're only even considering it because of systemic bias toward U.S. news. Sdkb talk 23:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The incident happened in Canada (which has not yet been annexed). I nominated it because I just saw it on the BBC News in the UK and thought it seemed interesting. It's "in the news", you see; unlike the bus plunge which happened over a week ago and which we're only now blurbing. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew, please review WP:POINT. GenevieveDEon (talk) 01:36, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support own article. Article definitely needs to be cleaned up before it's fully ready but I suspect that'll continue to happen over the next several hours. Article was AfDd, but the AfD closed as SNOW a second time and there doesn't appear to be any dispute against it yet. This happened in Canada, so it's not just U.S. news. It did land upside-down, but the flight was a hull loss, most likely a total writeoff. guninvalid (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose for now On the one hand, I agree with Andrew that the nature of the accident is remarkable, and that interest/coverage will likely be amplified by the recent surge of plane crashes. Also, the rush to nominate this for AfD and then cite it being at AfD to torpedo this ITN nom, comes from a cohort of editors who are overly zealously applying WP:NOTNEWS in violation of WP:RAPID. But even still, nobody died and it's not clear to me whether or not this accident comes from a cause which will drum up even bigger coverage (example: Boeing 737 Max style design defect), or whether it was instead something more ordinary (e.g. pilot overreacts to a gust of wind). Willing to change my mind if subsequent coverage in RS continues to grow as opposed to die out. FlipandFlopped ツ 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, for the record, I strongly oppose SNOW closing this nomination. It is far too soon to snow close this, and we should not set the precedent that prematurely nominating a recent event at AfD precludes it from ITN eligibility. FlipandFlopped ツ 00:19, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By that, do you mean you oppose the SNOW close at the AfD? Or would you oppose a SNOW close of this ITN nomination? guninvalid (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The latter! FlipandFlopped ツ 01:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - no fatalities. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 01:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paquita la del Barrio

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Article: Paquita la del Barrio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Latin Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican singer. Unsourced discography, but the rest of the article appears sufficiently sourced. –FlyingAce✈hello 22:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Flash flooding in eastern United States

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Consensus is against posting the blurb on ITN. On a related note, Kentuckian should not climb the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man. (non-admin closure) 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 02:04, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: February 2025 North American storm complex (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A storm complex in the United States causes flash flooding, claiming at least 14 lives in Kentucky, West Virginia, and Georgia. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ Flash flooding in the United States claims at least 12 lives in Kentucky with others still missing.
News source(s): CNN, NBC, New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I nominated this article for ITN yesterday, and it was closed after only about 40 minutes. Since then, the article has been expanded and updated, and I now believe it is ready for ITN.  Kentuckian |💬   18:01, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose again, because even with 11 deaths, thousands die worldwide from seasonal flooding, this is a minor incident along those lines. --Masem (t) 18:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you even read the article? 13 people have died with others still missing. Not even mentioning the property damage, this was a disastrous flood. It should not take 100 people to die for something to be considered "notable". Maybe if you lived in EKY and witnessed this catastrophe first hand you’d feel different.  Kentuckian |💬   18:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it was tragic but we cannot post every tragic event that happens. For example the Taichung department store explosion is tragic, but as seen in its discussion below, people dying is not a reason to post. History6042😊 (Contact me) 18:14, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It is not the number of deaths but the fact that when seasons change or warm weather follows from heavy snowfall, there is routine flooding which routinely can bring deaths. Its less often that happens in the US but it happens frequently. --Masem (t) 18:18, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry, I don't usually get this angry, but this is really making me mad seeing how ignorant some people are. First off, snow melting did not cause this, it was heavy rain. Second off. Yes, I agree, there is usually flooding that causes 1-2 deaths, but this is 13 people in three different states. And we aren't even gonna talk about the property damage. As I said, maybe if you lived in Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia and seen this catastrophe first hand you would feel differently.  Kentuckian |💬   18:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    You appear to be emotionally invested in this event and the nomination. Perhaps to the point of not being able to objectively assess notability. This is an encyclopedia, not a blog for people to share their personal traumas.--Danthemankhan 18:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Still oppose per Masem. History6042😊 (Contact me) 18:03, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support — Notable enough for ITN with 13 deaths. The article is well rounded with plenty of information. The argument “Flooding happens all the time across the United States”, doesn’t really hold water. Though it is true, those are usually just minor events with 1-2 deaths, while this is a major event that has caused 13 deaths with more fatalities likely and a lot of property damage. It is definitely notable. Shlumbis11 (talk) 20:38, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and Snow Close per Masem and Departure. Suggest SNOW closing this renomination, until or unless there is a more substantive change in the nature of the floods themselves. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow close Good call, F&F. 72.143.219.80 (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2025 (UTC) •[reply]
  • Support - This was not by any means minor. Minor flooding would result in some damage to buildings, and maybe some deaths. This is MAJOR, the effects of this complex have been felt all over the entire country, from an EF4 tornado in Calfornia to the flooding in Kentucky, Virginia, and Tennessee. I don’t see how this isn’t notable, and the article seems to be in good shape. Fatcheeto728 (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC) — Fatcheeto728 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    Also, for the record, the tornado in California was a much more common EF1. There haven't been any EF4s in California and it'll take more than a flood event or winter storm to change that. Departure– (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed how someone tagged this reply with “Fatcheeto728 has made few or no edits outside this topic”. Shouldn’t we do this to the several IP editors as well?  Kentuckian |💬   22:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not from what I can tell. A lot of IP editors often have good points in other discussions, or come from an IP range despite being serial constructive contributors. Registered accounts, on the other hand, going strongly against consensus, will be put under scrutiny if this was their first edit. Departure– (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks well sourced and is notable as well, since it event included power outages, flash floods, snow, and even a Tornado. TheHiddenCity (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I still do not believe this storm is terribly exceptional. Perhaps for a winter storm, but winter storms aren't generally enduring weather events when it comes down to it. There seems to be some attempt at synthesis here - no, this storm is not notable because it had some tornadoes - the last one did as well, and that one actually had a fatal tornado IIRC. Compare to the freak snowstorm across the Gulf Coast a few weeks ago. That was the more unusual and likely enduring weather event - it was evently voted down. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks ready to go and is of significant nature for one of the most impoverished areas of the US.CoatCheck (talk) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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2025 Indonesian student protests

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Article: 2025 Indonesian student protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hundreds of students start protests against the government of Indonesia across the country. (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

 ArionStar (talk) 16:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait on notability, given the protests only began today. Oppose on quality - the article in its current state completely fails to illustrate why the protests are occurring, with only a passing mention of "controversial [government] policies," and why the protests are unique/special; neither their size nor their cause appears to be overly unusual. The Kip (contribs) 18:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Statement from the page's creator: This article indeed requires many improvisation, and all editors are welcome to improve it. There might be errors since I am not an English native speaker, and I only created the page at 7 p.m. (ICT / UTC+8), when most protests were over. My decision is wait, since the protest only began this time.   DDG9912   22:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

M23 captures Bukavu

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Article: 2025 Bukavu offensive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the March 23 Movement captures Bukavu, the capital of South Kivu province, as part of an ongoing offensive (Post)
News source(s): Guardian BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Last month, we posted when M23 rebels captured Goma, the capital of North Kivu province. Well now they've taken Bukavu, an even larger city and the capital of South Kivu province. There was a lot less fighting this time around, but widespread looting occurred, apparently not by M23 themselves. The Congolese army retreated without contesting control of the city, and the government has admitted it has fallen. It took more than two years of fighting to capture one major city, now two have fallen in just a few weeks. The article has been updated (not by me) and is in good shape already. Modest Genius talk 14:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on quality, the article seems well sourced. oppose on notability, this is covered by ongoing. History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 16

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February 16, 2025 (2025-02-16) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

International relations

(Ready) RD: Gil Won-ok

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Article: Gil Won-ok (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Korea Times MK
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Korean activist TNM101 (chat) 07:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Well-referenced and is detailed. Ca talk to me! 12:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Citations throughout and good enough. Even better would be to sort out chronological order in the "Activist work" section. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Meets the threshold needed per above. Marking ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 22:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: , pinging because the article is ready. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Viktor Antonov

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Article: Viktor Antonov (art director) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IGN PC Gamer
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Video game art designer. Curbon7 (talk) 03:36, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, far too short. History6042😊 (Contact me) 09:36, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kim Sae-ron

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Article: Kim Sae-ron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: South Korean television and film actress.

  • Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Curbon7 (talk) 03:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) British Academy Film Awards

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Article: 78th British Academy Film Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the British Academy Film Awards, Conclave (director Edward Berger pictured) wins four awards including Best Film. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Updated. Note that Berger did not win best director, but as the main creative did receive the Outstanding British Film award - the blurb could be amended re. describing his photo. Kingsif (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Michael O'Sullivan (jockey)

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Article: Michael O'Sullivan (jockey) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish jockey who died due to a fall. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Half marathon world record

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Article: Jacob Kiplimo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jacob Kiplimo sets the current world record for the half marathon at 56 minutes and 42 seconds. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Jacob Kiplimo sets the world record at the Barcelona Half Marathon, finishing in 56 minutes and 42 seconds.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In athletics, Jacob Kiplimo sets the world record in half marathon, finishing the Barcelona Half Marathon in 56 minutes and 42 seconds.
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I've never tried to do ITN before but I noticed this achievement in the news and it seems to meet the criteria. It seemed better to ask than to do nothing. Clovermoss🍀 (talk)

(Closed) Flash flooding in United States

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WP:SNOW close, consensus to post will not develop. The Kip (contribs) 18:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: February 2025 United States floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flash flooding impacts parts of the United States, claiming at least 8 lives in Kentucky. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN, FOX Weather, AP, WLWT5
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Article is no longer a stub and has been updated. Please read the article before casting a vote.  Kentuckian |💬   17:18, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability Floods occur all over the world and with three victims these, although unfortunate, are not ITN-worthy for now. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Alsor. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose conditionally way too stubby. Support otherwise but it's prolly best to wait for a greater impact. — Knightoftheswords 17:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in terms of quality. The article needs to have information in order to have support. Rager7 (talk) 17:47, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality and Weak Oppose on notability. BTW the name is now February 2025 North American storm complex. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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New racewalking world record for men's 20km

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Article: Toshikazu Yamanishi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In men's 20 kilometres race walk, Toshikazu Yamanishi (pictured) breaks a 10-year-old world record with a time of 1:16:10. (Post)
News source(s): World Athletics
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: The article needs significant updates. UCinternational (talk) 05:37, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, this is way to short to even be considered. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Myanmar civil war

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No consensus to post to ongoing. Stephen 01:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Myanmar civil war (2021-present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article is ready for inclusion into the list. If I did this the wrong way, please tell me, I didn't know where else to request this. TurboSuperA+ (☏) 15:37, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TurboSuperA+ I've fixed it for you TNM101 (chat) 17:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. TurboSuperA+ (☏) 19:42, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: No major updates. MT(710) 17:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article isn't receiving the updates necessary for ongoing. The Kip (contribs) 18:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support I think this conflict needs more attention, but it's being nominated at a pretty bad time with few offensives currently ongoing. --SpectralIon 20:04, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    There's articles and updates on the war every week, e.g. [4]. I was hoping that mentioning it on the front page might encourage editors to update it more frequently.
    How many people even know about the civil war going on over there? Wars in Gaza and Ukraine dominate the headlines/attention, but Wikipedia is a global project and the front page shouldn't only cover things that might be of interest in the West. TurboSuperA+ (☏) 20:25, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    There's articles and updates on the war every week
    Yes, in news sources. They're not being added to the linked article, though, therefore the article isn't eligible for ongoing.
I was hoping that mentioning it on the front page might encourage editors to update it more frequently.
That's not how ITN works. The Kip (contribs) 20:29, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
🫡 TurboSuperA+ (☏) 20:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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February 15

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February 15, 2025 (2025-02-15) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Gerhart Baum

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Article: Gerhart Baum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician and Federal Minister of the Interior Grimes2 (talk) 16:42, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Muhsin Hendricks

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Article: Muhsin Hendricks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): barrons
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World's first openly gay imam. Was murdered on this date. Article is a GA so it might be good to post soon. Onegreatjoke (talk) 07:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Barry Urban

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Article: Barry Urban (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News The West Australian WAtoday
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian politician. Steelkamp (talk) 02:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Chairperson of African Union

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Articles: Mahamoud Ali Youssouf (talk · history · tag) and Chairperson of the African Union Commission (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mahamoud Ali Youssouf has been elected Chairperson of the African Union Commission (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Djiboutian diplomat Mahamoud Ali Youssouf won Chairperson of African Union
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former foreign minister of Djibouti Mahamoud Ali Youssouf elected as Chairperson of the African Union Commission
Alternative blurb III: ​ Mahamoud Ali Youssouf (pictured) is elected the new Chairman of the African Union Commission
News source(s): AP Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: If Ursula von der Leyen election nominated before then AU chairperson deserve ITN QalasQalas (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment the argument you use is totally wrong. There are many differences between the EU and the African Union: in the latter there is neither a single market nor a common currency, nor is there interdependence and the need for common harmonization of laws for the member countries, nor is there political cohesion, nor do the institutions have supranational power like the European ones, among many other differences. That said, I believe that the election of the president of the AU commission may deserve ITN's attention for its representative role at the international and diplomatic level of the continent. I have added a more grammatically correct altblurb and more in line with ITN's MOS. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:37, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is it sounding excessively egoistic!! Because proving AU value to be better and more important by EU due to popularity and wealth. and without contempt aren't both equivalent? QalasQalas (talk) 19:41, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The AU is moreso akin to a regional United Nations, similar to the Organization of American States, the Pacific Islands Forum, or the Council of Europe; the EU is a supranational union sharing a common currency, borders (via the Schengen Area), regulations, an elected continental parliament, and so on, almost like a super-state. That's not "egotistic" or "popularity and wealth," that's just factual. The Kip (contribs) 20:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is completely wrong. The AU is a supranational union akin to the EU. It has a free trade area, a parliament, and plans to have a continental customs union (having set up regional ones), a common market like the EEC, and a monetary union. See Agenda 2063. Kowal2701 (talk) 20:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kowal2701, both the monetary union and the customs union are planned, not actual things put in place akin to the EU. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 21:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This. It has ambitions of being EU-like but it's quite far away from actually being there. The Kip (contribs) 22:23, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not that far away, and has institutions the EU doesn't yet, like peacekeeping. It's still a major player on the international stage. Is the EU the only continental bloc we've historically posted? Really surprised we've never posted this, given how important continental blocs are becoming Kowal2701 (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Youssouf’s article and the Chairperson article are in better shape but the election article is still very poor, I’m going to try to add more about the debates. I think the Chairperson one is okay quality-wise, but struggling to improve Youssouf’s one further if anyone can help out
Kowal2701 (talk) 22:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciated man QalasQalas (talk) 23:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Thoughts on quality now? Not sure it can be improved much further given the sourcing issues

Kowal2701 (talk) 21:08, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Think its okay when compared to articles like UN Secretary General. At least not embarrassing to have on the main page I hope. Kowal2701 (talk) 21:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 14

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February 14, 2025 (2025-02-14) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents:

(Posted) RD: Kevyn Major Howard

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Article: Kevyn Major Howard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian actor. Article is not ready yet but I'll work on it. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Associate Press excluded from Oval Office over Gulf of Mexico naming dispute

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Consensus to post will not develop. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Gulf of Mexico (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ U.S. president Donald Trump revokes Associated Press access to the Oval Office in response to the news organization's continued use of the name "Gulf of Mexico" instead of "Gulf of America". (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/media/white-house-ap-ban-air-force-one-oval-office-gulf-of-mexico/index.html
Credits:
Nominator's comments: It's possible the target article should be Associated Press, but I think Gulf of Mexico is the better choice Ironic (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose fail to see how this is significant enough to post to ITN. Scuba 15:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and snow close trivial and not ITN-worthy. Good faith nom. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I perceive that there is some need for ITN to address whatever we want to call recent events in the US Federal Government (hereafter referred to as "antics"). I also acknowledge some difficulty in deciding which of the antics are most appropriate to cover. Yesterday's retaliatory exclusion of an internationally important news agency from the Oval Office and Air Force One is being reported globally and could possibly offer a relatively uncontroversial angle on the antics that ITN has so far been ignoring. Ironic (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not the first, and won't be the last. – robertsky (talk) 14:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These links are reporting exclusion of specific reporters from specific events, not indefinite exclusion of an entire internationally significant news agency. Not the same. Ironic (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Per Robertsky. EF5 14:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are far more worse things going on involving the Trump presidency that are seemingly leading to a constitutional crisis, this is but one drop in the bucket. While there is a potential for a ongoing on all that, things are moving too fast, with many legal challenges, to have a decent quality article about it at this point. Masem (t) 14:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    This is exactly the difficulty I was trying to address with this proposal. Perfect is the enemy of the good.
    I won't bludgeon with any further response on this submission unless I am pinged for further comment. Ironic (talk) 14:51, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant drone strike

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Consensus that this should not be posted unless further developments occur. Sam Walton (talk) 20:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant drone strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A drone strike hits the New Safe Confinement structure at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Volodymyr Zelenskyy alleges that a Russian drone strike causes damage to the New Safe Confinement structure at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant.
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Relatively major incident in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, indicating that talks of a ceasefire agreement may be deteriorating. The alleged destabilization of the radiation shield, per Reuters and Zelensky, also seems quite notable. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:41, 14 February 2025 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now - As of the last report that I’ve read, no deaths, injuries, radiation levels are normal, and the only lasting impact of this besides potential radiation release is a dissolution of the ceasefire, which I don’t see being confirmed yet from agencies (WP:SYNTH). EF5 19:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here’s a reliable source for the “normal radiation levels” reasoning, since I’m fully aware it’ll be questioned. EF5 19:54, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MtPenguinMonster. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-closing comments

I don't understand why the Flip nomination was ignored, because it was the first ever combat attack from the air on a nuclear power plant, and an emergency plant, and the opponents of the nomination don't understand the meaning of what happened at all. The integrity of both layers of the 50 sq m shelter facility was destroyed, which was built over 20 years by the efforts of dozens of countries to replace the old radioactive shelter, which already posed a threat to the world in the 1990s, a new shelter can be built in peacetime for at least 10 years, and the old one has long been unreliable, of course, the official authorities' statements are aimed at reassuring the public. However, for a large-scale radiation leak, even one more blow may not be needed - there is enough precipitation, and it is falling every day now, firefighters and repairmen are working in dangerous conditions for themselves, but they will not eliminate the hole, but only localize the problem

  • We should understand that this shield, which was supposed to last for generations, now has a huge hole in it of 540 square feet. The NYT explains, "Oleksandr Tytarchuk, the chief engineer at the plant, said his team and other specialists plan to do a “preliminary analysis and temporarily seal the opening” to prevent more moisture from entering the structure, which can speed corrosion. But this would not be a radiation-proof seal, meaning the shell would no longer serve the function it had before the strike. ... Workers will then have to figure out a more permanent solution — one that didn’t appear obvious on Friday afternoon.". This is still not good news. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it is clearly damaged and there are concerns of either radiation release, radioactive waste release, hydrogen gas buildup, etc. all associated with nuclear systems. But at the current time, there's no indication of any immediate concerns of a bad situation immediately arising. Masem (t) 02:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This seems quite a significant structure. The NYT explains that "completed in 2019, built with the help of 45 countries to make sure that a nuclear accident like the one that occurred in 1986 would not happen here again ... at about 40,000 tons, is the largest movable structure ever built". We don't need to wait until it's actually breached. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Should I close the nomination above this one and keep this open? TNM101 (chat) 11:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Your user page says that you're a relatively new editor. So, you shouldn't be closing discussions here, please. If people want to comment then please leave the discussions open so that they can do so. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:59, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought that the discussions are usually closed and then outside the closure box there are new comments. Well, if it isn't so, thanks for the heads up. Other than that, I've been here for around 9 months, so not really a new editor I guess but I'll remove that from my user page TNM101 (chat) 15:13, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the integrity of both shells of the new shelter has already been significantly violated, the hole cannot be closed, because when it was built, it was built remotely due to extremely high radiation levels. These levels are still preserved above the old shelter, if it really still exists, because according to another version, it was dismantled by workers after the construction of the new one, there is a certain contradiction here. But most sources speak of the existence of an old ultra-radioactive shelter, built almost 40 years ago at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives of liquidators.

This is the first case of nuclear air terrorism in the world and in history, and this will radically change relations in the world of nuclear relations if there is no reaction from the world. Just as there was no reaction to the seizure of the Zaporizhzhia NPP or the explosion of the Kakhovka HPP, which resulted in the death of over a million organisms and probably hundreds or even thousands of people on the occupied left bank.

The fire still cannot be extinguished even by the shelter, repairs are possible only at the cost of the lives of new liquidators, only the long-outdated one probably holds back 20 thousand roentgens, but the shelter itself is super-radioactive and by normal level we mean that the super-high level of radiation is still maintained at the previous level, but nothing is holding it back at the moment, because the shelter is not intact. Fire, snow and frost only make everything worse.

As for official reports, you can look at the same reports about Chelyabinsk, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl or Fukushima, everything was fine everywhere until it became completely bad. However, all previous cases were not the consequences of external attacks on the reactor, the first time this happened during the capture of Energodar in 2022. However, there is a completely different level of protection there and the attack was of a different nature.

My mother was going to Kyiv in early May and was surprised why there were so few people on the train. Because the official reports were just as good and everything was fine. And Chernobyl was burning and people were dying...

Now the zone is a unique reserve, and most likely it will be infected again, although possibly without risk to the capital. IF of course there are no new attacks. However, the reserve will be lost. And this is very likely. Just as dozens of reserves in the east and south were reduced

Tens of thousands of dolphins died in the Black Sea only in the first months of aggression https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/23/7373104/ and this is of course also unimportant. Similarly, the unimportant news was the seizure of Manchuria by Japan, Ethiopia by Italy, the Saar by Germany, the Anschluss of Austria, and then the time came for the wonderful Munich Agreement, someone here fears a new Munich Agreement, but I will say that pray that there will be no truce desired by the whole world at the expense of Ukraine, because you can consider world-class events as unimportant incidents only until a nuclear mushroom blooms next to you. Good luck in waiting for peace, keep your fingers crossed for a new Munich conspiracy and ignore the facts, flying in the clouds if you are sad without war on the doorstep...

None of the news presented today:

  • The Baltic states complete synchronization of their power grids with continental Europe's (map pictured), disconnecting from Russia's.
  • The ruling Vetëvendosje party, led by Albin Kurti, wins the most seats in the Assembly of Kosovo.
  • The Patriotic Union, led by Brigitte Haas, wins the most seats in the Landtag of Liechtenstein.
  • In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl.
  • Former president of Namibia Sam Nujoma dies at the age of 95.

, and even the first one, has global significance compared to the one proposed here, none of them carries such risks as this and will not have a similar impact on the future of humanity, because nuclear safety and the precedent of nuclear terrorism are unprecedented. And those 4 bottom news items are regional in nature without any impact.

And the fact that the news should be good... I haven't heard that for a long time, the last time was when I read Joe Haldeman's memoirs after a visit to the USSR and Kyiv in particular in the 1980s. I recommend reading it - it gave me a sense of nostalgia, and here it is again.

I hardly have anything else to add, and I've already spent too much time on people who don't understand the gravity of the events, but I'll mention people from different fields of knowledge, maybe someone will be interested in speaking out : Yakudza, User:Oleksiy.golubov, User:Yukh68, Білецький В.С., Ата, Олег-літред, Yasnodark (talk) 14:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you keep assuming bad faith and assuming everybody who’s opposed is stupid? 2/3 of your reply has nothing to do with the nomination and is completely irrelevant. Radiation levels are normal, I don’t have any other way to say that more clearly. EF5 14:36, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I completely agree with you, everything is normal: attacks on nuclear facilities have already happened thousands of times, sorry 0 times, the fire continues in the usual emergency mode, only 2 shells out of 2 of the only new shelter, which was built in just a couple of decades by only 45 countries, have been destroyed, repairs are possible only in other conditions and not above the reactor, but quick repairs can only take place in wartime conditions in anticipation of new attacks, only after the fire stops, only after the onset of positive temperatures and in the absence of heavy precipitation and only at the expense of the health of people who voluntarily agree to sacrifice themselves. You do not understand the situation at all and I still do not understand why this news is less important than the previous ones, which is why I gave a number of examples of news that were also considered unimportant. I appreciated the truce because my opponent mentioned it, although - the impact on a possible criminal conspiracy called a truce is the least of the world's concerns, it is ignoring the unprecedented event of nuclear terrorism and its possible consequences that is the most important thing in the event. And that is exactly what is happening here, because as my opponents pointed out to me - the news should be good...--Yasnodark (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Is the situation predicted to worsen considerably? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If there are no new attacks - an uncontrolled radiation leak is predicted with a high probability of new contamination of the Chernobyl zone with probably good forecasts for the capital if there are no deteriorations. Tomorrow the council of scientists will meet for a detailed analysis of the response to the situation. On the morning of the 14th they said that the fire was extinguished, and I didn't believe it then, and every day they said that the fire was extinguished again, today they don't say anything anymore - they say that the fire has not been extinguished yet, but they still say about the normal level of radiation, and each time they are less confident, and in the absence of new attacks, I think a certain number of volunteers will save everyone and then everything will not be very good, almost all the Russian military who dug trenches in 2022 in the zone - later died, and they were told that everything was fine with the radiation--Yasnodark (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Keyword is “predicted” not “happened”. We don’t post events till they have actually happened. EF5 15:48, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I still don’t think you understand. Radiation levels are normal. It doesn’t matter if the shells are damaged, because levels are normal. We don’t post future events like this at ITN. Research reactors in Iraq were bombed by Israel in 1981, so your assertion that this is the “first strike on a nuclear site” is a blatant falsehood. EF5 15:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure your mother on a train to Kyiv is really pertinent here. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:17, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because it was in May 1986 and she was going to Kyiv because there had been a minor incident somewhere nearby and the radiation level was also normal. She obviously believed these reports and went to work on her dissertation, having ended up in a place where it was impossible to leave. Because there were no return tickets, because everyone in Kyiv already knew, but only the chosen ones had the opportunity to leave. So she ended up living where she shouldn't. Because outside of Kyiv, it wasn't news, just a barely noticeable incident with a normal radiation level.--Yasnodark (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You don't understand what is meant - it means that the radiation is just as high, no, it didn't increase from the impact, but now nothing is holding it back, if the old shelter still exists - it was old 20 years ago and it is so radioactive that it was impossible to build a new one over it, it was built separately and then moved. The fire is still going on and it will take years to build a new shelter
  • @Yasnodark It's probably a really bad thing that has happened but sadly Wikipedia cannot run ITN like that. If ITN was just based on how bad the situation is, we would have new blurbs every day. If you see below, the nom for the bus incident in Guatemala has not yet been posted as of my posting of this comment, even after it killed a lot of people. On ITN everything must be judged based on ITNSIGNIF and ITNQUALITY. The problem here is, that EF5 has been trying to explain for a while now, is that the radiation levels are perfectly normal right now and there are no imminent threats to anyone or anything around the plant. Along with this, the only significant thing this could cause would be affecting the peace treaty. Since WP:NOTCRYSTAL, we cannot post the blurb just because there could be problems in the future. If there was a major issue such as a radiation leak that was expected to have an instant impact in the area around Chernobyl, there probably wouldn't have been any issues getting the blurb posted. Hopefully you understand now TNM101 (chat) 15:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Comparisons are irrelevant, I explained something above. The accident in Guatemala is a typical traditional unintentional incident that has no impact on global security or the health and lives of other people and the environment. But this event has, and that's not the main thing.

The essence of the event is an unprecedented attack on a nuclear facility by a combat drone with an explosive charge. Radiation leak is a probable new event. This event consists in the destruction of the shield, which cannot be restored quickly, and in the attack itself, and in the consequences not for the health of individual people, but for the nuclear security of the world and the world order in general, in the event of non-implementation of the highest level sanctions against Russia and Rosatom.-Yasnodark (talk) 15:53, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have reliable sources that state this event is “unorecedented”, that radiation leak is probable, that this event has compromised nuclear security of the world and that sanctions will be pursued? EF5 16:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that nothing confirms if it was an attack or not yet, it remains a claim. Masem (t) 16:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. This is a highly irresponsible and dangerous event, whether it was a deliberate attack or an accidental collision. Fortunately, the damage has not led to a major nuclear incident. It's possible that the situation might deteriorate, but so far the impact has been limited to accusations and speculation. Unless some major nuclear leak occurs, this isn't significant enough to post in ITN. Modest Genius talk 16:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • I advise you to read the statements of

"Greenpeace"

“We condemn Russia’s action and its war machine for this strike, and we call on the international community to take action – by ending Russia’s threat to Ukraine’s nuclear plants, and prosecuting the Russian government for international war crimes,” said Shaun Burnie from Greenpeace Ukraine.

“With this outrageous attack, Russia is escalating its war against Ukraine to a new level. It proves that there are no limits to Putin’s aggression and the Russian government is willing to put the Ukrainian and European population at risk. This could be the final wake-up call to the international community to urgently send more support to Ukraine to protect its critical infrastructure, including its highly vulnerable operating nuclear power plants,” said Jan Vande Putte, nuclear expert at Greenpeace Ukraine.

I find it very funny to hear all this, any Russian attack is just as random as ISIS or Hamas attack, if anyone doubts the unprecedentedness of the event, let them find similar cases in history and give these examples.--Yasnodark (talk) 15:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Geraldine Thompson

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Article: Geraldine Thompson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FOX 35 Orlando, AP
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Florida state Senator Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 14:17, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on quality for now Article has a big uncited paragraph in the Career section and the article does not even have a sentence mentioning her death. If this is fixed, please let me know and I will change my vote to support. (Side note: I added a level-four header to the nomination) TNM101 (chat) 15:12, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @TNM101 updated that paragraph with citations and created a separate section for death. It was in the life and career section before Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my vote to support per above TNM101 (chat) 04:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 13

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February 13, 2025 (2025-02-13) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: David E. Sellers

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Article: David E. Sellers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Valley Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American architect, based in Vermont. Major figure in the design/build movement. Obit published 13 February. Thriley (talk) 20:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, there are 12 CN tags, there seems to be a COI issue, and there also seems to be way to many images. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:16, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wally Gabler

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Article: Wally Gabler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Detroit News, The Albertan
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian football quarterback (1966-1972) Cbl62

(Posted) RD: Sukri Bommagowda

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Article: Sukri Bommagowda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times The Hans India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian folk singer TNM101 (chat) 04:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Taichung department store explosion

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No consensus to post. Stephen 00:40, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Taichung Shin Kong Mitsukoshi gas explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A gas explosion (pictured) inside of a Shin Kong Mitsukoshi department store in Taichung, Taiwan, kills 4 people and injures 39 others. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, New York Times, Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Surprised no one has nominated this yet, it's been 12 hours. SpectralIon 03:49, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen: Has there been any discussion about raising the bar for inclusion for disasters/mass casualties events? As I can't find any in the archives. A common criticism of ITN is that it's death-obsessed. My concern is that if ITN regs are more conservative on this front, non-Western events are more likely to fail while Western events, which typically get more !votes by non-regulars, are more likely to succeed. Would it be worth having a wider discussion? I don't see anything about encyclopedic relevance at WP:ITN Kowal2701 (talk) 21:17, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kowal2701 There is a discussion on the ITN talk page TNM101 (chat) 07:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2025 Munich car attack

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Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 02:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Munich car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A car rams (aftermath pictured) into a crowd during a trade union demonstration by ver.di in Munich, Germany, resulting in 2 deaths and 37 injuries (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A car rams into a crowd at a trade union demonstration in Munich, Germany resulting in two people being killed and 37 others being injured
News source(s): Sky News NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Well, yet another car attack, but this one is probably borderline notable TNM101 (chat) 14:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - While definitely notable enough for Portal:Current events, not a single person died, and I don't see a major impact besides Germany tightening security.
Changing to weak support per below. EF5 14:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support but I think the blurb needs to be clarified. From the summary in the linked article, it states that the attacker drove into a demonstration by the ver.di trade union. Attacks on union members in Germany, a place about to hold a federal election in 10 days, are going to be in themselves well more impactful than attacks on groups of otherwise unconnected civilians. Oppose on quality - everything's cited but the length isn't where I'd be comfortable supporting to put on the front page. Departure– (talk) 14:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I added an altblurb based on what you said TNM101 (chat) 14:59, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Per above, an attack like this just before a G7 country holds an election is pretty unexpected but the article right now is very short. (For transparency's sake, I remember the Magdeburg attack article being way longer than this when I nom'd it.) The blurbs could do with a fair bit more brevity too. Yo.dazo (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work Seems quite significant due to its proximity to the Munich conference and the coming election. But its prose is still quite rough. I started copy-editing but was getting edit conflicts so it will need a while to become settled and stable. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Checking back on this, I found that some copy-editing was still needed. And there seems to be significant confusion as to whether the perp had a criminal record. The article says that a minister has back-tracked but there's no citation for this. The German language article has more but it's based on liveblog proseline rather than consolidated analysis. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - Some unique aspects, but impact seems comparatively limited versus past attacks. Article is also nowhere near long or detailed enough. The Kip (contribs) 18:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not of encyclopedic significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose simply because there isn't a single death. I could reconsider if one of the critically injured victims die in hospital, considering it is likely to somewhat affect the results of the upcoming election. Update 2/16/25: I maintain my oppose despite the deaths because there are seemingly no election-altering polling boosts resulting from this attack. It has no real impact. --SpectralIon 22:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Incidents like this are way more than just their fatality/casualty count. Please see WP:MINIMUMDEATHS for more details, irony fully intended. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:49, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability due to lack of fatalities and no clear motive. –DMartin 00:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as it's been widely reported in news, meets notability criteria. DarkSpartan (talk) 06:26, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the attack is following on from one before Christmas, in a country with a popular/dangerous far right party (AFD) and feeding into anti-immigration sentiment. Important global meeting happening in Munich on the same day. It's not about the death count. Secretlondon (talk) 08:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - Basically a sum of everything noted above - notable event in the context of the current German political climate preceding the election, but there haven't been any reported casualties yet, and the article itself still needs to be worked on in terms of quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Ramming attacks have been on the rise, including in Germany. I'm doubtful this will have much of an impact beyond those directly involved. We posted the 2024 Magdeburg car attack and 2025 New Orleans truck attack, but those killed multiple people and injured many more than this one, which seems comparatively minor. The article has only three sentences describing what happened, the rest is personal information about the suspect - in so much detail that it makes me uncomfortable about WP:BLPCRIME and WP:NPF. I've tagged the article accordingly. Modest Genius talk 13:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Two people died in hospital from the attack, possibly affecting the notability and the blurb. Yeshivish613 (talk) 19:45, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to opposing votes added in the nomination above, "'people died' is not a reason to promote something to the main page (or even create an article for that matter)". Is it valid here too? ArionStar (talk) 05:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
strong oppose posting this is like posting any shooting attack in the usa that features in the news. Knife and car attacks are not notable in europe anymore unless the casualty count is significant (of note, 2 people were stabbed in Austria this weekend. Don't even think there is (or should be) an article). Converserly 18 people, including kids were killed in a stampede in regards to that omen that is kumbh mela 2024.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:12, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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February 12

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(Closed) Elon Musk and unions

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Nomination in good faith, but no consensus to post this TNM101 (chat) 06:23, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Elon Musk and unions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Several unions are suing to stop Elon Musk from accessing personal data of workers, students and retirees in different agency IT systems in his role as the head of the newly created DOGE agency. (Post)
News source(s): CBS, Politico, Forbes
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 ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is a huge mass of lawsuits thrown at Trump and Musk/DOGE that focusing on any one would be inappropriate. The idea of there being a constitutional crisis has gained traction in the media, so that itself may be an appropriate ongoing if readily confirmed and a good article was there for it. Masem (t) 23:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose trivial lawsuit. Scuba 00:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per @Masem plus WP:STUB QalasQalas (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good-faith nom as per Masem. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) AMAN (naval exercise)

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WP:SNOW close. The Kip (contribs) 18:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: AMAN (naval exercise) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ AMAN 2025, a multinational naval exercise organized by the Pakistan Navy, concluded in Karachi, featuring naval forces from more than 60 nations. (Post)
News source(s): Arab News, AA, GT, The News, Dawn
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 14:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2025 Greek presidential election

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Consensus to post will not develop – robertsky (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Greek presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Konstantinos Tasoulas (pictured) is elected President of Greece by the Hellenic Parliament. (Post)
News source(s): Ekathimerini in English
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 Moraljaya67 (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until he becomes president. Sakellaropoulou is still currently the president. Scuba 20:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support since we post changes of ceremonial heads of state (president of Ireland or GermanyP routinely This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please take note that the current president of Ireland has been there since 2011, and the current president of Germany since 2017; the relevant ITN/R guideline meanwhile was agreed upon in 2021. (This is probably also a good example of why we shouldn't put too much stock in precedent when it comes to ITN.) Yo.dazo (talk) 12:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, but I see no reason why this isn't an update to an encyclopedic subject. What ITN has done in the past is an "other stuff" argument in either direction. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
??? Was this posted under the wrong section? we have a change in the head of state, that's ITNR. Scuba 00:22, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, only the change in the office that administers the executive is ITNR. This is not, because the President of Greece is the head of state, not the head of government.-- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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February 11

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(Posted) RD: Sigrid Metz-Göckel

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Article: Sigrid Metz-Göckel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): foundation
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneering sociologist for women's studies from the 1970s, professor in Dortmund. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, article is well sourced and long enough. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Helen Hays

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Article: Helen Hays (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American ornithologist and conservationist. Obit published 11 February. Thriley (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Donn Moomaw

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Article: Donn Moomaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Football Foundation
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margarita Forés

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Article: Margarita Forés (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS-CBN News
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was a Filipino chef. The article looks good. Moraljaya67 (talk) 05:46, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Moses Lim

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Article: Moses Lim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A household name in Singapore, and likely was well-known to varying extents in other countries as he was part of the cast of the Under One Roof (Singaporean TV series) that was exported to multiple countries. – robertsky (talk) 03:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Philip Brady

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Article: Philip Brady (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5], [6]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, there is a whole uncited paragraph. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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