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Are you a bot.[edit]

Title. 176.88.138.142 (talk) 10:50, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@176.88.138.142: I am not. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 10:52, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help[edit]

Hi Tymon.r, you recently reverted my article because it appeared to be not constructive. Can you please explain? :/ Krystianagiron (talk) 01:08, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Krystianagiron, thanks for messaging me. I have reverted your changes, because they were apparently not constructive, i.e. you removed without valid explanation (your edit summary did not match your actual changes) or discussion on article's talk page a big part of the article's content, including references (bibliography). Moreover, you left an unfinished sentence in the article's lead. It looked like a vandalism, so I reverted it. I see it was not your intention to vandalise that page as you have later greatly expanded its content (thanks!). However, while one's patrolling recent changes, he may never know whether an editor is planning to perform subsequent constructive edits or leave an article "as is". As a precaution – for the good of the Wikipedia – it is better to perform a rollback. If you have any questions – ask! Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 09:30, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please elaborate on your thinking?[edit]

Hi, thank you for letting me know about the reversal of my editing. Till Lindemann's recent videos indeed stirred quite a bit of controversy and the fact is integral to characterising his creative approach. Could you please elaborate on your thinking and why you think my suggestion was NOT constructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DIMmITRYan (talkcontribs) 09:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DIMmITRYan, thanks for messaging me. You wrote that Lindemann is noted for most recently controversial performances as a porn actor in his own music videos. It's a strong statement which needs to be supported by references in order not to violate the Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people. Moreover, music videos are, by definition, mostly not intended to share pornographic content. And well, the statement looked derogatory. It looks like you shared your own opinion on Lindemann which it generally prohibited by Wikipedia's policies. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 09:58, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For reference – your changes. Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 10:09, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

how can you say that it does not make sense ???[edit]

if the article clearly states that it was made in Menorca, Spain. And, moreover it clearly says that there is evidence for being older, and already spread by the crown of Aragon. Have you even read what it is said in the history of the sauce? It is contradictory with keeping the place of origin in France. Because In the same article states that is NOT from France, only made popular by them.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josefco98 (talkcontribs) 14:28, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply] 

Evevate-KHS[edit]

Hello you recently rolled back an edit by User_talk:47.208.168.74, however his recent contribution is infact correct the team has changed their name for 2020. As seen here:https://www.procyclingstats.com/team/elevate-webiplex-pro-cycling-2020

Paulpat99 (talk) 09:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paulpat99, thanks for messaging me. Verifiability is one the Wikipedia's pillars. Contributors should add citations of reliable sources for every change they make, so readers can verify the article's content. Introducing unjustified changes to articles' topic names is a common vandalism pattern. 47.208.168.74 did not provide any reference for a change they was introducing, moreover, as a consequence of their (and later your) edit the name in infobox started to be inconsistent with the page's name. That's why I reverted. However, after investigating it further in WP:RS, I appreciate your changes to the article. FYI – I've moved it to its new name (leaving redirect behind). Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 00:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I will note that for future edits, Paulpat99 (talk) 02:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Paulpat99, thanks – have a good day! Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 13:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Elaborate on Rollback[edit]

Hi Tymon.r, could you explain how to properly submit previous changes made to Casetify? The page is tagged as paid post and advert, despite being rollbacked to the original page creation pre-COI.221.124.42.92 (talk) 11:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@221.124.42.92: thanks for messaging me. Sure – it is simple – you have not used an edit summary to explain why you're removing maintenance templates. It's a common pattern for some disruptive editors to remove templates informing about problems with articles, so I have reverted your changes, as you at the moment did not provide any explanation. I'd like to encourage you to use valid edit summaries in future! Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 01:28, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion moved to ANI[edit]

Hi, the report had been declined at WP:AIV, but since multiple editors have reported the same issue, I have moved it to Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#83.6.122.128_reported_by_Mr_Xaero_and_Tymon.r for further input and discussion. Thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ToBeFree: thanks! Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 13:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-Vandalism Unit[edit]

Greetings, I saw that you were an instructor for the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy. I’d like you to mentor me, I’m not that experienced when it comes to fighting vandalism. By the way, I’m Turkish and there’s a 2 hour difference between our time zones. Thanks! Rodrigo Valequez(🗣) 14:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-Vandalism Unit[edit]

Hello! My name is Evan and I am interested in helping to fight vandalism on Wikipedia long term. I am decently familiar with Twinkle and warning templates, however I would love to learn all there is to know with those topics in addition to learning how to install and use Huggle. I believe I am two hours ahead of you, and my best time is in the evening after 5PM, or 3PM your time. Hope to hear back from you soon! Evan99m (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CVU training request[edit]

Hello Tymon.r , can you please train me in fighting vandalism. I recently had a rollback request denied due to lack of experience. Also, I would like to know the time duration for completion of the course. Thank you. Amkgp (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CVUA[edit]

Hi Tymon.r - I've noticed that you haven't edited in a while, and I see that there are a number of requests for CVUA training that you haven't replied to. This is a volunteer project of course, and there's no obligation for you to do anything when you don't have time, but I'm going to take your name off the list of available trainers for now - feel free to put yourself back on it if you become active. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 15:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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User:182.186.25.146[edit]

Your level-3 warning and my block happened at the same time. If you think that editor is worth giving more chances to do something other than post slurs against a minority religion, let me know and I will unblock. DMacks (talk) 23:09, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@DMacks: Thanks for blocking that editor. I am reverting vandalism using Huggle, so it operates the standard WP:BEFOREBLOCK procedure of four warnings. But in this case, I share your opinion that there is no need for more warnings. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 23:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the vandali-patrolling! DMacks (talk) 02:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A cookie for you![edit]

I’ve seen you doing fantastic countervandalism all day. You’ve even beaten me to a few kills :) Keep up the good work. Helen(💬📖) 01:06, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've noted that many of your reports at AIV should not have been made. There has to be enough vandalism and enough warnings to justify a report, and yours fall short of the mark. For example, Colelknipp, who made only two edits. The first was reverted by you, but you didn't even bother warning the user. The second was reverted by Cluebot with, of course, a warning. Please don't make future reports unless they meet the requirements of the board.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23: I have to respectfully disagree. There is no requirement to proceed with the standard 4-warning procedure if it is clear the user in concern is clearly WP:NOTHERE and WP:VOA. And, for the record: Colelknipp was, of course, warned by me - [1], so could you please withdraw your words: "you didn't even bother warning the user"? Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 02:12, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was wrong about you not having warned the user; my eyes glossed over your warning. The rest of your response shows little insight into how AIV is supposed to work. First, it's for "persistent" vandals; two reverts don't constitute persistent. Second, "Except for egregious cases, the user must have been given enough warning(s) to stop their disruptive behavior." This vandalism was run-of-the-mill, not "egregious".--Bbb23 (talk) 02:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23: Firstly, the notice on AIV is not a policy, it is rather a general reminder. Please allow me to refer to the blocking policy – "Some types of user accounts are considered disruptive and may be blocked without warning, usually indefinitely: Accounts used exclusively for disruptive purposes, such as vandalism" (WP:DISRUPTONLY; emphasis added); "(...) warnings are not a prerequisite for blocking (...) users acting in bad faith, whose main or only use is forbidden activity (sockpuppetry, vandalism, and so on), do not require any warning and may be blocked immediately" (WP:BEFOREBLOCK). Secondly, AIV seems to be the right and natural place for reporting persistent, at the moment, (obvious) vandalism-only accounts, definitely better than WP:ANI. Thirdly, I respect and appreciate constructive criticism – it helps everyone to improve. However, comments like "[t]he rest of your response shows little insight into how AIV is supposed to work", in my opinion, are rather unnecessarily patronising and counter-productive. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 02:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Suspected Sockpuppet[edit]

It appears that User:JermalRecords is using a sockpuppet account under the name User:JermalJackson who seems to be constantly vandalizing the Marianas Trench (band) page. Could you look into this?

Why do you nominate the article for deletion[edit]

Why do you nominate GenWATT Solar Energy Solutions (Philippines) for deletion. Aside from their official FB Pages, you did not see the post of the President and CEO of GenWATT PH. Please remove it!!!!!!!!!!!!! Adriem915 (talk) 03:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My Article has sources from Google. The company is new, but it is real.

Adriem915 (talk) 03:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will add this portal to DTI Business Permits here is the link: https://bnrs.dti.gov.ph/search?keyword=Genwatt+solar+power+engineering+services&criteria=exact&sort_by=business_name&sort_order=asc Adriem915 (talk) 03:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Adriem915: I did not nominate that article for deletion. If you want to contest this proposition, you are welcome to take part in the discussion and express your concerns there – Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GenWATT Solar Energy Solutions (Philippines). But you must not remove deletion templates from the article. Also, not all companies have to have their page on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a directory. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 03:06, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have a proof of company's existence:

https://bnrs.dti.gov.ph/search?keyword=Genwatt+solar+power+engineering+services&criteria=exact&sort_by=business_name&sort_order=asc

Aside from their official website. How can I reply to the deletion request? Adriem915 (talk) 03:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As of now, I am adding sources to it. Adriem915 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Adriem915: I've given you the link you can use to access the deletion discussion and present all your arguments. The link, again – Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GenWATT Solar Energy Solutions (Philippines). You may want to read Help:My article got nominated for deletion!. Yes, you can keep improving the article and try to demonstrate the subject's notability. But do not remove the deletion templates ({{afd}}, etc.). Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 03:16, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021[edit]

New Page Review queue September 2021

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Fusee[edit]

I think you may have Huggled an edit I made – slightly clumsily – to this topic. I’m not going to re-instate it now.

A fusee is not strictly conical, the shape of the curve is an arc of an hyperbola. I don’t have time to find a decent source, or to derive the mathematics, so I shall leave it as inaccurate. My insertion of the word “roughly“ was however thoroughly justified, and I’m sorry you changed it.

If you are innocent of this interference, please accept my apologies! Regards 86.137.177.201 (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help me contribute[edit]

Dear Tymon.r, Please tell me some reliable sources i can use for citing — Preceding unsigned comment added by Applebottomsalafi (talkcontribs) 17:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Applebottomsalafi: Thank you for your message. Please read our guidelines about reliable sources. They should be independent, not biased, and, preferably, with some authority. If you can find reliable sources which actually say that the war concluded with Egyptian victory – go ahead, make your change, and added in references. However, if there are no such sources (for example, because it is only your opinion) or there are different sources (of similar importance) which make opposite opinions, you may be better leaving the page as it is – with the ceasefire option. We must adhere to the neutral point of view principle. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 17:21, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Tymon.r, does this count as a reliable source: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/the-libyan-egyptian-war-forty-years-later-how-it-represented-a-rift-in-the-arab-world

In the 4th paragraph it says: " but Egyptian forces and their firepower were several times greater and they were able to decisively defeat the Libyan military in every battle". Is this valid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Applebottomsalafi (talkcontribs) 17:39, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Applebottomsalafi: I appreciate the time you took to actually look for sources and that you are trying to resolve this in accordance to the Wikipedia's policies. Unfortunately, I am not quite sure that the source you provided is saying that the Egyptian won. It says that they had greater power than their opponents and were able to defeat Libyan – not that they did actually defeat them. I am not an expert, but it looks like the war concluded with just ceasefire. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 17:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Different subject:

Does this source say prove that the egyptian won the yom kippur war:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War — Preceding unsigned comment added by Applebottomsalafi (talkcontribs) 18:04, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    • To clarify about the Four Day War thing, most of the sources provided by Applebottomsalafi would not meet WP:RS; onwar is a random website and Military Watch Magazine suspiciously has no bylines, listed editorial staff, or even an address, it seems like a fancy blog. I do not recall the English version of Tribal Politics in the Borderland of Egypt and Libya saying anything about an Egyptian victory. -Indy beetle (talk) 18:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Indy beetle: Yup. Even if they actually claimed Egyptian victory, they still would fail the WP:RS standard. But as they don't really make such a claim, it was not necessary to consider that. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 18:15, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Tymon.r, So i cant change the yom kippur war result?, If the source i provided proves that the egyptians won the yom kippur war, Can u change the result?, My account is not extended confirmed. Source: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Thank you for ur time Tymon.r

Message[edit]

Hi Tymon.r, you left today (10.2.2022) a note on my talk, as I edited a wikipedia entry that some other people (I don't know who) had created about me. It had the maintanance note that it's lacking references and other information, so I added those by editing the page. Please do not delete the page. Perhaps you can compare the page made by other people, and the additions that I put there, and see whether they are ok? From the references given, it should be now clear that it fulfils the Wikipedia criteria. talkPtorma (talk) 17:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ptorma: Hello, thank you for your message. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I am not disputing the notability of yourself. I admire your scientific achievements. Your additions look good to me – thank you for them. The policy of not editing articles about oneself is here for a simple reason – very often articles' subjects can't adhere to our principles of neutral point of view am impartiality. I am not saying that your edits violated those principles. However, it is generally suggested that any further edits are rather left for others to be made, just to avoid any confusion or problems. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 18:03, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, everything clear now! Best,Ptorma — Preceding undated comment added 18:08, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I WASN'T DOING VANDALISM[edit]

I was just adding infi 2800:E2:407F:FEA2:8D02:8E18:AD2:66E1 (talk) 18:06, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@2800:E2:407F:FEA2:8D02:8E18:AD2:66E1: which edit of yours are you referring to? Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 18:07, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help with suggested edits[edit]

Dear Tymon.r, would you mind reviewing the suggested edits on Tina Malti's talk page? You previously provided advice on how to navigate editing articles on living persons, we would appreciate your help with this! [1] TinaMalti (talk) 20:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022[edit]

New Page Review queue March 2022

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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022[edit]

New Page Review queue June 2022

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Notes
  1. ^ not including another ~6,000 redirects
  2. ^ The number of weekly reviews reported in the NPP feed includes redirects, which are not included in the backlog we primarily track.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:02, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Commons speedy tagging[edit]

As an FYI, for deletion requests like this, the images can be tagged with F10 ("personal photos of non-contributors"), ideally after the page is deleted, but can be done before then too. SpencerT•C 18:41, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Spencer: Thanks, noted. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 18:41, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on![edit]

New Page Patrol | July 2022 Backlog Drive
  • On 1 July, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin.
  • Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles patrolled.
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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022[edit]

New Page Review queue August 2022

Hello Tymon.r,

Backlog status

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators Buidhe and Zippybonzo, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to Dr vulpes who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.

Coordination
MB and Novem Linguae have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out. MPGuy2824 will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.
Open letter to the WMF
The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.
TIP - Reviewing by subject
Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.
New reviewers
The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.
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NPP message[edit]

Hi Tymon.r,

Invitation

For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.

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Board of Trustees election[edit]

Thank you for supporting the NPP initiative to improve WMF support of the Page Curation tools. Another way you can help is by voting in the Board of Trustees election. The next Board composition might be giving attention to software development. The election closes on 6 September at 23:59 UTC. View candidate statement videos and Vote Here. MB 04:11, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bhaderwah[edit]

First of all good afternoon to you, Chenab valley is just a term used to refer doda kishtwar ramban due to their similar geographic conditions, other thing is that Chenab valley is nor a region nor a division, Chenab valley comes under jammu division / region that's it! And also provide some reliable source where it is written Chenab valley is separate divison / region. 122.161.242.147 (talk) 10:08, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you revert my typo fixing[edit]

Do you love typos??? AmericaOnTop123 (talk) 18:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AmericaOnTop123: Humour is perfectly valid spelling in British English. British humour (article in question) relates primarily to the UK, therefore, according to our MOS (manual of style), we use the British spelling there. Please refrain from making unconstructive edits. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 18:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive[edit]

New Page Patrol | October 2022 backlog drive
  • On 1 October, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin.
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(t · c) buidhe 21:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Days of our lives[edit]

The people deserve to know how much Joe loves this show 217.180.232.24 (talk) 06:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I do not think so. Not related, not referenced, not notable. You are welcome to make constructive edits to our project. Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 06:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive is on![edit]

You are receiving this message because you signed up to participate in the drive, but have not yet reviewed any pages in October. We would love to see you over at the backlog drive! Buidhe 10:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022[edit]

Hello Tymon.r,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

NPP backlog May – October 15, 2022

Suggestions:

  • There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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Early end of the backlog drive[edit]

A few days ago, new page patrollers got the backlog to zero. Due to the unprecedented success of the backlog drive, it will be ending early—at the end of 24 October, or in approximately two hours.

Barnstars will be awarded as soon as the coords can tally the results. Streak awards will be allocated based on the first three weeks of the drive, with the last three days being counted as part of week three.

Great work everyone! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NPP Backlog Drive Award[edit]

The Invisible Barnstar
This award is given to Tymon.r for collecting more than 5 points doing reviews and re-reviews, in the October NPP backlog reduction drive. Thank you for your contributions. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 08:41, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023[edit]

Hello Tymon.r,

New Page Review queue December 2022
Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive[edit]

New Page Patrol | May 2023 Backlog Drive
  • On 1 May, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023[edit]

Hello Tymon.r,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

Reminders

New pages patrol needs your help![edit]

New pages awaiting review as of June 30th, 2023.

Hello Tymon.r,

The New Page Patrol team is sending you this impromptu message to inform you of a steeply rising backlog of articles needing review. If you have any extra time to spare, please consider reviewing one or two articles each day to help lower the backlog. You can start reviewing by visiting Special:NewPagesFeed. Thank you very much for your help.

Reminders:

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New page patrol October 2023 Backlog drive[edit]

New Page Patrol | October 2023 Backlog Drive
  • On 1 October, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin.
  • Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled.
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New pages patrol newsletter[edit]

Hello Tymon.r,

New Page Review article queue, March to September 2023

Backlog update: At the time of this message, there are 11,300 articles and 15,600 redirects awaiting review. This is the highest backlog in a long time. Please help out by doing additional reviews!

October backlog elimination drive: A one-month backlog drive for October will start in one week! Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Articles will earn 4x as many points compared to redirects. You can sign up here.

PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not decommissioned due to maintenance issues in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.

Notability tip: Professors can meet WP:PROF #1 by having their academic papers be widely cited by their peers. When reviewing professor articles, it is a good idea to find their Google Scholar or Scopus profile and take a look at their h-index and number of citations. As a very rough rule of thumb, for most fields, articles on people with a h-index of twenty or more, a first-authored paper with more than a thousand citations, or multiple papers each with more than a hundred citations are likely to be kept at AfD.

Reviewing tip: If you would like like a second opinion on your reviews or simply want another new page reviewer by your side when patrolling, we recommend pair reviewing! This is where two reviewers use Discord voice chat and screen sharing to communicate with each other while reviewing the same article simultaneously. This is a great way to learn and transfer knowledge.

Reminders:

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

November Articles for creation backlog drive[edit]

Hello Tymon.r:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over 2500 pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New pages patrol January 2024 Backlog drive[edit]

New Page Patrol | January 2024 Articles Backlog Drive
  • On 1 January 2024, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin.
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Your access to AWB may be temporarily removed[edit]

Hello Tymon.r! This message is to inform you that due to editing inactivity, your access to AutoWikiBrowser may be temporarily removed. If you do not resume editing within the next week, your username will be removed from the CheckPage. This is purely for routine maintenance and is not indicative of wrongdoing on your part. You may regain access at any time by simply requesting it at WP:PERM/AWB. Thank you! MusikBot II talk 17:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024[edit]

Hello Tymon.r,

New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

Recruitment: A couple of the coordinators have been inviting editors to become reviewers, via mass-messages to their talk pages. If you know someone who you'd think would make a good reviewer, then a personal invitation to them would be great. Additionally, if there are Wikiprojects that you are active on, then you can add a post there asking participants to join NPP. Please be careful not to double invite folks that have already been invited.

Reviewing tip: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages within their most familiar subjects can use the regularly updated NPP Browser tool.

Reminders:

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive[edit]

New Page Patrol | May 2024 Articles Backlog Drive
  • On 1 May 2024, a one-month backlog drive for New Page Patrol will begin.
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