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Freya Dinshah

I had tried several times to develop an article on Freya Dinshah, whom I know well. Anne Dinshah and I worked together on the Jay Dinshah article before Anne published her book on her father, as seen through the eyes of his friends. I authored one chapter in that book. I would be happy to collaborate with you on a Freya Dinshah and/or AVS article, both of which I think are needed. You might also think of an article on Brian and Sharon Graff, and one on The Vegetarian Hotel in Woodbridge, New York, as well as the Konviser family that ran it and contribute in other ways. MaynardClark (talk) 20:16, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

MaynardClark, I'd love to work on a Freya Dinshah or The Vegan Kitchen article! I've been wanting to start a draft, but I'm having a hard time finding sourcing. Do you happen to have clippings? --valereee (talk) 20:48, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I will look for whatever I have. I know I have photos, and Anne Dinshah could snap and upload a good current photo. Send me an e-mail. MaynardClark (talk) 20:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
MaynardClark, I'd rather discuss at User talk:Valereee/Freya Dinshah if possible; in general WP likes to keep discussions in public view. --valereee (talk) 18:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Could I recommend that you consider biographers of a few more vegan women, about whose biographies I could be helpful:
  • JoAnn Farb, former bench scientist and member of Vegetarian Union of North America (VUNA), now vegan blogger.
  • Eriyah Flynn, US Air Force veteran, vegan animal rights advocate, and founder of Vegan Shift, a vegan online networking across North America.
  • Muriel Collura Golde, vegan culinary leader and author at North American Vegetarian Society (though she was vegetarian), who in the summer of 1999 was inducted into the Vegetarian Hall of Fame of the North American Vegetarian Society.[1]
  • Karen and Michael Iacobbo, vegan journalists from Providence, Rhode Island, cited in articles about vegetarian and vegan history.
  • Kathleen & Jack Jannaway, The Vegan Society (UK)?
  • Evelyn Kimber, currently leader of Boston Vegetarian Society, mentioned a few times already in Wikipedia.
  • Ritamarie Loscalzo, enthusiastic advocate of raw vegan diet (Austin TX). http://www.drritamarie.com - Austin, Texas
  • Pamela Teisler-Rice, founder of VivaVegie and its annual NY Veggie Parade, who ran parade for 10 years, mentioned a few times already in Wikipedia.
I have worked with all of them. 'Talk with Maynard!' MaynardClark (talk) 12:56, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
MaynardClark, the issue is always notability, which is the current issue with Dinshah. We need to see multiple reliable sources providing significant coverage. I generally use a rule-of-thumb of three absolutely reliable sources, ideally in full-length articles that are primarily about the person and at minimum talk about her at length. --valereee (talk) 12:55, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
You might also consider such overview topics, such as
  • Vegetarian and vegan awards, halls of fame, honorifics, recognitions, and formal public praise
    • Vegetarian Hall of Fame (North American Vegetarian Society) - I had developed or tried to develop this article, but I had met recurring opposition.
    • Vegan Hall of Fame (North American Vegetarian Society)
    • Rawll of Fame (created by Brian James Lucas for vegan rawfooders of note who have contributed significantly, usually in publications)
  • Online vegan educational series (Food Revolution, iThrive, Digital Dementia Summit, etc.)
  • Online Summits (Women's Vitality Summit, etc.)

References

  1. ^ Inductees, Vegetarian Hall of Fame, North American Vegetarian Society website

Content Suggestions Being Ignored

Hi. I was wondering if you still had any feedback on the content suggestions for the talk page of Bob McDonald (businessman). I'm happy to collaborate and provide any edits based on your suggestions if you have any. Thank you.

Tsmith47 (talk) 19:41, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Tsmith47! Did I make some edits there previously? I'm sorry, not enough coffee yet this morning! --valereee (talk) 12:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
No worries, I know the feeling! The edits I am referring to have all be suggested by me on the talk page. I originally inquired for help because I feel my suggested edits for Bob McDonald (businessman) are being ignored for some reason and I don't know why because they are unbiased and would add a lot of value for readers. If you have any insight that would be tremendously helpful. Feel free to let me know if I can help in any way. Thank you! Tsmith47 (talk) 17:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Tsmith47, frankly, they're probably being ignored for a number of reasons. He's paying you, so a lot of noninvolved editors will look at this as a sort of vanity press issue. I personally don't mind working with COI editors, but I generally do it more because I can get behind their concerns. We're mostly volunteers who write about stuff that interests us or are interested in building the project, so making sure Mr. McDonald's article is exactly the way he wants it isn't high on our priority list, lol. A lot of the requested edits just seem a little silly -- top 2% for instance, rather than simply graduated from West Point. Seriously? That's what's keeping him up nights and making him pay an editor? If he wants to say that on his LinkedIn, fine, lol, but honestly that kind of edit request makes me not want to help. He seems like an asshole. Sorry, I know you're just doing a job. --valereee (talk) 18:27, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
valereee, I can completely understand your stance. I too see some request and comments that simply make me turn my head sideways. However, his reason for engaging a paid contributor is not to fight in the minutiae of minor details but rather to work within the framework of Wikipedia to offer accurate information about his life and experiences. The suggested updates and references that I have made have been vetted at length for their accuracy. What is most disappointing is that some editors may not want this type of information published because it doesn't support their narrative of the article and its subject. I appreciate your feedback and honesty. Please feel free to reach out to me if there is anything we can collaborate on in the future. I’m happy to help! Tsmith47 (talk) 12:18, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Tsmith47, yeah, a COI always attracts scrutiny by other editors who will then be on the lookout for negative coverage to balance out the positive-coverage additions suggested by the COI editor, which can start to feel like exactly what you're describing. If there's something actually inaccurate, or truly important information missing, ping me in a new section and give me 1. the exact sentence you're suggesting be removed and 2. the exact sentence you're suggesting it should be replaced with. I should literally have to simply cut and paste. Please also provide one correctly formatted reference for the information with a good description of where in that reference I can check without having to search. Make me do the least work possible. I looked at your last three suggested changes sections and they're both unclear and overwhelming. I don't even understand what you're asking for -- it's just huge sections of text, what changes are you suggesting with those long sections with dozens of references? -- and it looks like literally hours of work, for an article I'm not interested in. I am willing to work with you, but I am not willing to give up more than a few minutes of my own precious volunteer time to help a stranger get paid. Give me ONE CLEARLY STATED change you want, in its own section, and ping me. --13:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Marjorie Paxson

On 5 April 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marjorie Paxson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Marjorie_Paxson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Marjorie Paxson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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A kitten for you! Kirstjen Nielsen

Thanks I was stuck on where to put that ~ mitch ~

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Mitchellhobbs, glad it was helpful, and thanks for the kitten! valereee (talk) 12:37, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Teahouse: Illogical lead sentence of Wikipedia:Reliable sources

Hi Valereee, your explanation was perfect and absolutely crucial. I was stuck, but although I had many advisors, it was you who has pointed me in the right direction. Somehow, you managed to understand what was happening in my mind. Thanks :-) Vikom talk 05:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Vikom, I'm so glad it was helpful! I could see exactly where you were getting mixed up and that other editors weren't getting it. But now that you see it, I do want to clarify that CF was right about not including everything in the sources in the articles, lol! --valereee (talk) 12:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

CF was right, and I was right. CF didn't notice your note; I didn't notice several words either. I think we both are quick-witted ;-) But seriously, you helped me a lot. At first I was shocked, and felt stupid, especially that I am a perfectionist. Sometimes I overestimate my language skills in English, which is not my mother tongue, but my (very serious) hobby. After all, I am a copy editor here, am I not? ;-)
[A brief digression:]
So you are a vegan. This is impressive. Many years ago I tried to be a vegetarian but after tree months I failed miserably. Abstaining from milk would be much, much harder. I absolutely love milk, and drink it every day - at least one glass. Sometimes two! And my favorite cake is... cheesecake. Of course I realize that what we do with cows is unfair :-(
Vikom talk 04:44, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Vikom, I'm not a vegan, I just try to eat that way as often as I can. I suspected it was a language issue. Your English is very impressive, it's certainly absolute fluency in writing! I'm interested in the ways different first languages affect English as a second language, so when I saw your frustration (and the fact that multiple editors at the original question didn't understand why you were frustrated) I thought it might be a language nuance and that a very simple statement might be all that was needed rather than some long explanation or pointing you at an entire page of policy. It was clear you were both well-intentioned and found it surprising that anyone would disagree. valereee (talk) 12:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Here is a kitten for your invaluable help!

P.S. So you are not a vegan. Now I see my misinterpretation, which was not a language issue. I could have delved into your page a bit more. I am a perfectionist but still not perfect ;-) Vikom talk 14:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Vikom, Thanks for the kitten! :) --valereee (talk) 12:20, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Why can't I post it here on Wikipedia?

am a local journalist here in my city. I really want to share stories in here. I have interviewed many people and companies regarding everything about them. I always have a paper that i jot down everything he says and signs the paper to approve everything is accurate. why it isn't possible — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haroldok (talk • contribs) 09:17, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Haroldok, I'm afraid that in order for information from your interviews of people and companies to be included in Wikipedia, they must have appeared in other reliable sources first. If, for instance, one of your articles was published in a major newspaper, the information in that article could be used in a Wikipedia article. I'm giving you this link now for the third time: WP:original research. Please read it, and after you've thoroughly read it, I'm happy to discuss it with you. Also, if you' please sign your posts by including four tildess like this: ~~~~ that helps other editors see who is posting. --valereee (talk) 09:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

new section

The Barnstar of Diligence
Keep on being great! Lubbad85 (☎) 17:43, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Lubbad85 thank you! --valereee (talk) 19:40, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Delmi

Good luck with that, but low expectations that Delmi can restrain from editing article about himself. History shows at least 150 edits by Delmi, logged in, plus an equal number as IPs while not logged in. David notMD (talk) 19:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

David notMD, yeah, I know. I'm a masochist when it comes to COIs behaving reasonably well. --valereee (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
David notMD, fingers crossed, sounds like he's planning to step away --valereee (talk) 13:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

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Teahouse question

Hi, here's the ref you were looking for earlier: On TV's Friday the 13th, It's Robey Who Makes Little Boys Really Howl. In my opinion, I would not use it in a BLP. Cheers, gnu57 13:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Genericusername57, thank you! And I think it's very interesting that this article does not say 'nude.' It says topless. --valereee (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the People article saying that she moved in with Roman Polanski at age ~17?? I'm starting to think that we should tread carefully in describing her discovery as a model and early career. Cheers, gnu57 16:01, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Lol that not-so-veiled reference went :::whoosh::: right over my head! Hm...I wonder what section of People this even appeared in. It's just not really...journalism? Not that I think People has ever tried to be the WSJ, but this seems a little gossipy even for them.
How do I keep getting caught up in the articles of people I have zero interest in? --valereee (talk) 16:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm going to try finding other refs for all the facts in her bio so we can ditch this one: I think it's the sort of offensive tabloid garbage we shouldn't even link to. Cheers, gnu57 16:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

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A Star

The Special Barnstar
For level headed impartiality and good Wikipedia work! Lubbad85 (☎) 00:17, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words, Lubbad85, but I'm not very proud of the work we did there. --valereee (talk) 11:09, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

valereee I gave you a barnstar because your held your vote until you digested information. This seemed to me very Wikipedian of you. But now you are extending comments, shaming the Rescue Squadron and generally going on and on about what you see as a terrible insult to WP:GNG. It is important to note that these are your opinions, and I respected them when you stated them. It is getting harder to respect your opinion when you are bludgeoning editors with it. Have a great day, lets all give it a rest on that afd please Lubbad85 (☎) 14:33, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Lubbad85, I apologize that my comments at ARS felt to you like shaming; that wasn't my intent. I have seen this kind of thing damage the reputation of projects before. It made me leery of joining the project, even though I had been considering it and believe in its mission. I am at heart an article-rescuer myself. --valereee (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Lubbad85, I'm a bit loathe to continue this conversation, but the accusation of bludgeoning has been bothering me, and I'd like to clear the air. From my point of view I posted a comment to the AfD closer, and I posted a comment at ARS expressing concern about the AfD. After that I only replied to your replies to me, and I let you have the last word, and I think I was civil throughout. It seems clear to me that whether or not you and I agree, you are a well-intentioned editor, and I kind of hate to see this end with you thinking I'm not just as well-intentioned. Would you be willing to discuss further here? I'd like for us to end with at minimum each believing the other is well-intentioned, even when we disagree. --valereee (talk) 19:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I will hold no grudges here - I am not married to the article or subject. I am taking umbrage with the repetition and extension of the afd to other forums. You think not GNG, I think GNG. We made our cases, but now we should let it go. I do not need to assume the closer needs any help closing this afd properly. I do not want the last word. I am a new member on Rescue Squadron so the last thing I want is to bring a magnificent drama to them and have an article I added be debated in their forum instead of on the afd where it belongs. This article and many others... WP:NOTPAPER - no limit to the articles we can keep. The original nominator has been uncivil and malicious. But you have not - I was hoping you would just let it go. When I woke up to find that you extended your comments - not letting it go, and then came to shake your finger at Rescue Squadron - I was disappointed. I am already over it. I hope you are too. Lubbad85 (☎) 20:38, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Lubbad85, thanks for being willing to try to find our area of agreement; I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Best wishes. --valereee (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I recently created an article for a notable female. She was extremely notable - but much of her notable accomplishments took place 1948-1986. It survived a four week Afd but not by much. I am very confident van Graas is notable. I think the sources are thin but she is no less notable. Like I said, I am not married to the idea. If you look in my contributions you will see I vote on hundreds of Afd. And I vote to delete often. I think I would have easily moved on if the NOM was not so argumentative and wrong-headed. I also noticed this theme in the NOM's history, calling for deletion on any model's stub-article. Have a great day. Lubbad85 (☎) 13:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I certainly agree with you that being hostile at AfD is counterproductive, no matter which 'side' you're on! I recall one AfD where the !voter actually said some version of, "The bad behavior from X user leads me to lean (keep or delete, I can't remember which.)" I don't actually like seeing people ignoring policy for this reason, but I understand the impulse. --valereee (talk) 13:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Daniella van Graas

If you changed your !vote to keep (I think you did), you need to put it in bold. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

User:7&6=13 I think I did? My original !vote, first one at the top of the page? --valereee (talk) 16:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Gah! I hate your username format lol User:7&6=thirteen --valereee (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you hate my user name. But I've had it for 11 years, so it's a custom and it is my identity.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I may have missed your vote. It's a long slog on that page, now.
I saw your DYK for the lady journalist, and was duly impressed. Keep up the good work. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:53, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
User:7&6=thirteen I don't actually hate it, I just hate that I can't seem to remember how to ping it. :D Thanks, I'm quite immodestly proud of that Paxson article. --valereee (talk) 16:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
One of my pet peeves in Wikipedia is that we seem to concentrate on pokes, not strokes. Good contributions should be recognized and applauded. We do not seem to grasp that Positive reinforcement is more effective than punishment. We withhold barnstars like they cost us money to give. That is part of why i am part of the Wikipedia: Kindness campaign. Editor retention and recruitment are two of the great crises facing Wikipedia.
I saw you bolded your keep.
But I digress. Stay in touch. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

barnstar

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For an open mind and perseverance Lubbad85 (☎) 17:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Lubbad. As I've been saying all along, happy to !vote Keep if only the sources were there. :) Thanks to User:Genericusername57, they're there. --valereee (talk) 17:11, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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The Barnstar of Diplomacy
For being nice. :) Trillfendi (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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Have a semla

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Well deserved. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:45, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! That makes me want to go find a Swedish bakery! --valereee (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Speaking of biographical details, I had the pleasure of adding this [1] a few days ago. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Wow, that's pretty cool! --valereee (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank You for Being the Wiki Whisperer

But seriously, I was so angry and frustrated and no one was helpful until you showed up. Too many Y chromosomes and I felt ganged up on for trying to be Bold, as Wikipedia asks, but also careful, and Neutral, while also being caring, and on top of that, inexperienced! I won't be able to learn all the cool wiki symbols and tricks and that's okay, I have other skills. Your kindness was deeply appreciated, and your advice was very helpful. Also, I'm trying never to be attached to the outcome. It's been a horrific year for my family. So this stuff here is really nothing to lose sleep over. But I did. Because, like you warned me not to, I cared TOO much. Thank you again. PESchneider (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

PESchneider thank you for your kind words, and I'm glad we were able to help! Leave me a message here if you ever need more whispering! :) --valereee (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


I know I will be back! Cuz. Humans... :D PESchneider (talk) 20:59, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

PESchneider, hahaha! I'm glad you're keeping your sense of humor. I hope that the coming year will be better for you and yours. --valereee (talk) 21:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Personal data like nudism

Dear Valereee

In the page about vandalism you mentioned some data about nudism. I'm not accusing you of anything. I just wanted to add MY opinion: In my opinion the information about someone being a nudist, weather confirmed or not, should only be reported by the person him/her-self, not by anybody else. Steue (talk) 21:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Steue, I'm so sorry, I don't remember the page we're talking about -- can you give me a link so I can refresh my memory? --valereee (talk) 21:17, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Vandalism / Talk / 3 blp vandalism on pages with few watchers.
Sorry, I don't know how to make it one functioning link. Steue (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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Thank You!

I just wanted to leave you a star for looking into my problem so quickly, but I forget where it was that I could access those from. Anyways, I see you are working on women journalists and veganism, among other things, so I can tell you are an awesome person. Thanks a bunch, and nice to meet you.

Usedtobecool Nice to meet you, too! If you add four tildes to the end of your comments on talk pages like this ~~~~ it will automatically sign your posts for you so that other editors can see who is talking! --valereee (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I always keep forgetting that. Thanks for the reminder! This is the one thing that's hardest for me to always remember. Many times, I end up doing that on subsequent visits, or some bot does, before I have the chance. LOL! Usedtobecool (talk) 19:07, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
There are also two other ways. At the top of the editing box on talk pages, there's a little x-squiggle icon which will sign. At the bottom, there's a note that allows you to click the four tildes, that'll also sign. You'll find that as a new user most other editors will be patient with you about this, but as your edit count grows, they'll start getting grouchy with you. :) valereee (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I am enjoying being a novice editor. So many things you can get away with. I love how polite experienced editors are. I wish I could always remain new :) Usedtobecool (talk) 19:37, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, hahahahaha! valereee (talk) 21:31, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

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Vandalism BLP?

Dear Valereee

In the page about vandalism you used the abbreviation "BLP". Neither in the article about Phil Spencer nor in the English Wikipedia I could find an explanation what BLP might mean in this case. Please let me know. And, maybe, you might as well add your usage of BLP to the article BLP. Steue (talk) 21:41, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Aha!: Wikipedia_talk:Vandalism#blp_vandalism_on_pages_with_few_watchers
Steue, BLP is WP-talk for Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, that is, WP-articles about living (and recently dead) people. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:50, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
GGS, thanks! Steue I agree -- people probably shouldn't be described as nudists/naturists unless they describe themselves that way. That's why we wouldn't include it unless it was very reliably sourced or self-sourced. In the case of the article I was referring to, someone had added it without sourcing. I was concerned that no one had caught it for over a week. No one seems to have responded to the question for six weeks now, I'm updating it, so thanks for reminding me! --valereee (talk) 22:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
GGS, Thanks a lot for this fast answer. Steue (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
GGS, Another question: How could I have gotten this link after your "Aha!", to add it in a question? Steue (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Steue, I clicked the "blp vandalism" section in the "Contents" box at Wikipedia talk:Vandalism, copypasted the Wikipedia_talk:Vandalism#blp_vandalism_on_pages_with_few_watchers bit from the url and put it between double square brackets. More at Help:Link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:03, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Steue, there's also a way to "search" for these acronyms -- which we have a million of -- when someone uses one and doesn't provide the link. If you go up to the search box and type in WP:BLP (or whatever acronym, as long as you put the WP: before it) you'll get the link to the page explaining it. If you just have a random question about how to edit wikipedia, you can often find what you're looking for that way, by typing in WP: and then adding a search term like vandalism or help. --valereee (talk) 11:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

GGS, Thanks. I suppose you clicked with the second mouse button and selected, in the context menu, "Copy link-address". I tried this and it worked fine. So, thanks alot, also for the Help:Link.
Steue (talk) 05:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Before I "dive" into the Help:Link, another question: Can one link to a para which does not appear in the context-box, or even to a sentence or word?
Steue (talk) 05:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Steue, I'm sorry, I'm not understanding your question -- you can link to any word or term that shows up when you start searching on it in the search box, is that what you're asking? --valereee (talk) 10:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, valereee. Next time I shall try this first, before I search outside.
Steue (talk) 05:44, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

valereee, I wanted to place "a link in a talk page" to "a specific word in a specific para in a specific article", a link which then only will have to be clicked to open this article at exactly this word in this para.
Steue (talk) 07:31, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for troubling you with this question. But actually I meant this question to the User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I should have put my question to his talk-page. Steue (talk) 07:42, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Valereee will probably forgive it, struggling to improve ones WP-fu is a noble task. Steue, I don't think that is possible, AFAIK the closest we get is "Linking to part of a section", see WP:LINKPART. I've never created "anchors" myself so I've never tried to make this work. One thing, you never have to "ping" someone at their own talkpage, it makes no difference. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Tempestry Project

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Chiswick Chap, thanks so much! --valereee (talk) 17:09, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, if you'd like to help with hook promotions, this hook was approved by both Cwmhiraeth and myself so we need someone else to promote it to prep. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Yoninah, off I go! --valereee (talk) 17:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. But please note that you added a film hook to a set that already has a film hook. Yoninah (talk) 17:43, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, yep, I just posted a query about that on the talk, lol! I misread it as a bio --valereee (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hook promotions

Hi Valereee, glad you're getting more involved in hook promotions. I'd just like to note that it's difficult to build prep sets with the proper alternating bio/non-bio format when you've already placed the last hook. As you can see in Prep 3, the set should end on a bio hook. And we can't move your last hook up because it's the second nature hook in the set. It will probably have to be moved to the next set. Then, based on what you placed as the last hook in Prep 4, the image hook needs to be a non-bio hook, although we're due for a bio image. I think it would be more helpful if you build more complete sets rather than leave it to others to figure out how to rework the order. Please feel free to ping me on my talk page with any questions at all. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK credit lines

Hi, you need to copy the whole credit line, including the subpage (that's the nomination page). See how I corrected your credit lines in Prep 3. Yoninah (talk) 18:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Yoninah, got it...for some reasn I thought the template made its own subpage section...hm, trying to remember where I saw that instruction... valereee (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Here it is, from the expandable instructions section: b. Check the DYKmake entries in Preview mode 1. At the bottom under "Credits" to the right of the article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake. So it didn't make that parameter, but I failed to notice it hadn't? --valereee (talk) 18:50, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
a subpage parameter will need to be added is referring to what you have to do. It's not automatic. Yoninah (talk) 18:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, I just added one without adding the subparameter to see what would happen, and it did create one? --valereee (talk) 19:01, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
No, it didn't. You need to copy the WHOLE credit line, including the part that says {{|subpage=}}. Yoninah (talk) 19:09, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Adding it, but I'm confused lol, taking your word for it and I'm sure all will become clear to me at some point --valereee (talk) 19:14, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Please add the credit line for Nancy Pelosi. (After you close the template, you won't find it in the edit window. You have to go to a previous version and find it there.) Yoninah (talk) 19:43, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Yay! Yoninah (talk) 19:45, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, I opened the hooks section accidentally, just went ahead and saved, then opened the full page --valereee (talk) 19:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Not sure what you're referring to? Yoninah (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The reason the credit line didn't show up for Nancy Pelosi when I added it to the hooks. I'd opened the hooks section instead of the page, which meant the credits section wasn't included. --valereee (talk) 20:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I do that a lot too. Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Prep 4

Congratulations on building your first set! You might want to keep an eye on the history of Prep 4 to see what kinds of changes are being made. A heads-up: You have two hooks by Cwmhiraeth here; one should be moved to a different set. I have also raised an issue with the hookiness of the church hook at WT:DYK#Church opens, closes, opens again. Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Switched one of Cwmhiraeth's to a later prep and moved in a new quirky. While I was moving it in I found that the DYK credit line was malformed, so I fixed it in the prep but wasn't sure if I should also fix it in the nom. It gives credit to Ia1nmacintyre, should give it to Iainmacintyre. Looks like it was a typo when the nom was first made that the nom corrected in a later edit. --11:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
No, you don't need to fix the nomination template. The main thing is that the credit line appears correctly on the prep set page. Sometimes you'll have to write your own credit lines when you promote a hook because the nominator didn't input the information correctly, so get used to the format: {{DYKmake|Example|Editor|subpage= }}. BTW, if there is only a page creator and not a nominator on the quirky hook, you should delete the line at the bottom: {{DYKnom|Example|Editor}}. Best, Yoninah (talk) 12:37, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Whoops, I didn't see the discussion re: St John's had continued on the talk page last night. I read the edit summary and was like, "ALT2? Where is there an ALT2?" Thanks! --valereee (talk) 13:25, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Prep 5

Hey, you're on the move! Here's another note, this one about hook length and balance. Try to mix up short and long hooks. Also don't use too many short hooks in a set, or else an administrator will have to add a 9th hook when it gets to the queue. Best, Yoninah (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I actually wondered about that when I added Hanks and Trainor, thanks! --valereee (talk) 20:56, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
I went ahead and moved Trainor to another set, which already has one short hook, so that's enough there. You'll see I added more long hooks to Prep 5. We have a lot of these "people buried in Russian cemeteries" now on the approved page, so we need to spread them out and not necessarily run all of them in the image slot. Yoninah (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Drat! Look here: [2]. It's really short! Yoninah (talk) 21:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, yow, that's really short! What a handy tool, though, glad to know I can use that. Hm. What's best to do? --valereee (talk) 21:26, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
I think we should wait for the nominator's response to a rewrite on the image hook, and then add a ninth hook if it's still necessary. It looks like one shorty hook in a set is enough. Yoninah (talk) 21:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, we can also expand to the full name of Lockhart. Reason for using just the last name is that the nom thought a spy was more credible being referred to as only the last name, but didn't have a major objection. Article is James Bruce Lockhart so that gives us a full two more words lol --valereee (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Very funny. No, I thought about it and decided to leave the surname per the nominator's wishes. An administrator is sure to fix this himself when it's in the queue. Yoninah (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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