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Football[edit]

2022 CAFA U-14 Championship[edit]

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An article that lacks sufficient substantiated coverage. Not enough secondary sources. Not enough notability. Wikipedia is not a site for listing statistics. EpicAdventurer (talk) 17:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – To Central Asian Football Association#Events timeline as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 18:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have included additional reliable sources to substantiate the article. The tournament holds significant notability, similar to other CAFA tournaments that have their own pages. Lunar Spectrum96 (talk) 19:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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i added additional reliable sources since EpicAdventurer delete nomination ? Lunar Spectrum96 (talk) 22:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jong Chol-min[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I agree, this article fails WP:GNG, This person is not notable enough and doesn't have enough coverage EncyclopediaEditorXIV (talk) 14:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jong Kum-song[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete – With only database sources listed, this article is absolutely unacceptable! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:13, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marek Švec (footballer)[edit]

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The article of this men's footballer has not received enough significant coverage to pass WP:GNG.

The only secondary source I could find is SME's sub-website My Nitra. It mentions Marek Švec scoring a goal in one paragraph after translation: "The oldest and the youngest players scored a valuable draw. Anton Sloboda was everywhere, and we could see the 34-year-old fighter passing between the stoppers in the back, serving teammates in the middle and setting up a goal for the teenager Marek Švec in the front. The academy graduate scored his third goal, no one under the age of 18 in the top 30 European leagues has scored more in a season... Wow! The youngest debutant in the history of FC ViOn will celebrate adulthood only on New Year's Eve and has already made 22 league starts with five goals." The coverage of Švec is written in bold, but something tells me that the rest are more of a trivial mention.

If this article gets deleted, we should consider moving "Marek Švec (wrestler)" to just "Marek Švec".

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Keep appears to have made appearances in the top division of Slovakia which surely meets WP:NFOOTY BFC Aspie (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. NFOOTY doesn't exist anymore, but that notwithstanding, I would add to those this one: [1] which contributes very well to GNG. Geschichte (talk) 09:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I believe the sources mentioned in this discussion go towards the notability criteria. I also found [2] which seems to be connected to the TASR and covers his loan to Spartak Myjava in a fairly deep manner. C 679 18:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1985–86 Queens Park Rangers F.C. season[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. "Stats only" sources and a stats-only article with stats about a football club's 1985-1986 season. North8000 (talk) 14:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep crystal clearly notable as a season of a team in the first division, then the top flight of football in England. That season will have been covered pretty much every single day in the papers of the time. It just needs more sources. SportingFlyer T·C 17:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Usual coverage for an English league team, and has WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Top flight season in England, meets general notability guidelines BFC Aspie (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per above, clearly notable. Giant Snowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yes the article lacks sources on view, however that doesn't negate it in anyway, League Cup finalists this season! I really don't think think the nominator put too much thought into the nomination! Govvy (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've nominated bad seasons articles before only to have them kept at AfD. The problem is that a poorly created sports season stub can still be notable. SportingFlyer T·C 09:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per anyone else above. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Union Stadium[edit]

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The article has no non-dead sources and searches for "Union Stadium south africa" return real information (i.e. not maps or directions). The only search results on JSTOR are a university paper in Wisconsin and a local paper in Ohio, both of which are hardly reliable sources for a stadium in South Africa. For this reason, I feel the article does not meet general notability guidelines. WikipediaNMP (talk) 09:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I had a hard time figuring out what this was supposed to be, but references show that it has significant historic importance but has fallen victim to the times. Some examples: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. Geschichte (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Geschichte's sources which show GNG. (Sources found by nom are probably for a stadium in the USA.) SportingFlyer T·C 19:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per all above. Svartner (talk) 04:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arjun Tudu[edit]

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The page was previously deleted because it fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG and it still holds true. Coderzombie (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom and per WP:BIO. The subject does not meet notability and biography is not enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Poor sources with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Simply having a biography isn't enough for inclusion. If reliable sources can be found to establish notability, the article could be rewritten and resubmitted for review. Waqar💬 16:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - @RangersRus:, @Iwaqarhashmi:, I found [8], [9], [10], [[11], [12], [13], [14], among many more English and Hindu sources (not to mention other Indian languages. Cleary was sigifnicant ifgure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Das osmnezz (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
Most of these sources are interviews and paid promotions and do not help pass WP:NFOOTY. The player has not garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements because he has not played at an international level and he has not played for an entirely professional league to satisfy WP:GNG. He is an upcoming player but it is too early to warrant a page on this subject because of insufficient significant achievements. RangersRus (talk) 12:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesn't appear to have ever played in a notable league BFC Aspie (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TJ Rovinka[edit]

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This is a long-unsourced article of a football club that seems to have never played in the highest Slovak First Football League. I can't find any significant coverage of this club that meets WP:GNG. My Google searches, even with "site:.sk" next to the club's name, only come up with club's official website and match reports, the former of which is not independent. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia has been tagged for notability issues for years, which certainly may not help copy over English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The team played on the third tier continuously from 2014 to 2022, and participated in the national cup. That's usually more than enough to merit inclusion. They might not be called "TJ Rovinka" in the coverage, probably just Rovinka. Geschichte (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia, where it can be added. That article is in need of an update/clean up anyway... Giant Snowman 18:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Ju-hyok[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I've found a coverage about this player on Choson Sinbo which is a complete introduction the player, and there's another article in Tokyo Sports praising his performance against Japan national team last March. I think it should pass the WP:SPORTCRIT with those references since it's very difficult to find numerous coverages for North Korean players. Lâm (talk) 10:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. per coverage found by Thplam2004. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Thplam2004. Normally there are no sources for WP:V regarding North Korean players, this time it appears there is minimal. Svartner (talk) 18:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which appear to show notability. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Yong-chol[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – To Football at the 1998 Asian Games – Men's team squads#North Korea as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Suman[edit]

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Fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 14:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – The player doesn't seem very famous outside of Australia, but he seems to have WP:SIGCOV in the country's sports media like the offline sources of The Press & Journal and Evening Express. Svartner (talk) 18:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep sufficient sources already present which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources indicate notability.Blethering Scot 19:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment All newly added sources either fail YOUNGATH or are routine transfer stories. Dougal18 (talk) 08:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Červeňák[edit]

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With only one match in lower league as well as database sources listed, this article of a men's footballer obviously fails WP:GNG. The closest thing to significant coverage is SME where he debuted for Senica. My other searches only came up with match reports and passing mentions. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. It looks to be 6 matches in the highest domestic league, not 1 in a lower league, but still that's not really a career, and the lack of sources corresponds to that reality. Geschichte (talk) 15:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 18:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – seems to have played in six matches not just one, but I was unable to find any significant coverage of this guy. C 679 12:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Caso[edit]

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I can't seem to find anything on this guy. He played in MLS for one year, made one appearance, and then totally disappeared. I've tried several searches, and nothing is coming up, much less WP:SIGCOV or anything approaching WP:GNG standards. Anwegmann (talk) 03:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to All-time LA Galaxy roster where he is mentioned, possible search term given he did play in MLS. Giant Snowman 20:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to All-time LA Galaxy roster: Unable to find anything to meet the WP:GNG for this player. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Anwegmann, Svartner, GiantSnowman, and Let'srun: The Signal (2) and Los Angeles Daily News coverage (1 2) looks decent. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to keep this, but two of those are clearly youth athlete feature stories, which specifically don't count for GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first Signal article looks fine, but I think the Los Angeles Daily News article and the other Signal article fails WP:YOUNGATH as that source is merely a local paper covering local high school sports. I still think a redirect is the best option for the time being, with the history being preserved in the event more sources appear. Let'srun (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps we draftify instead, to allow SF the chance to improve and find more sourcing? Giant Snowman 18:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My biggest issue is keeping an article about a player who only made one professional appearance. In any case, I will withdraw my vote for deletion. Svartner (talk) 18:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not an issue at all - we can easily have an article on a player with one professional appearance. The issue is whether he passes GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, we have articles about players with zero professional appearances (Sonny Pike)... Giant Snowman 20:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify as nom. I think this discussion points most clearly to draftification, as the sources shown don't necessarily do enough to show WP:SIGCOV, but there clearly are some sources that could, with work, produce a reasonable article. Anwegmann (talk) 00:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Football Madness[edit]

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Does not appear to have any sources to back up its notability. GamerPro64 01:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of PlayStation games (A–L) - Official UK PlayStation Magazine reviewed the game in issue 98 per this guide in issue 108 of every game reviewed in OPM up to that point, I was unable to find a copy of that issue to see how in-depth the review was and the guide only gives a score and brief summary. I was unable to find any other coverage on Archive.org. Waxworker (talk) 06:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Waxworker MK at your service. 15:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Waxworker. I did an extensive search on Newspapers.com, Both Naps Team (the game's developer website) and Phoenix Games website (the game's publisher) but ultimately found only this [15]. It being a budget game might explain why there is almost nothing on it. Timur9008 (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Would be useful to find sources to prove its WP:N and fix its WP:OR. —Mjks28 (talk) 01:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Cristiano Ronaldo#Family, children, and relationships. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cristiano Ronaldo Jr[edit]

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It does not appear that this player is notable on his own merit, beyond his connection to his father. If anything, this is way WP:TOOSOON, but I also think it fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG on its own merits. Anwegmann (talk) 07:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – This article previously ended as redirect under the name Cristiano Ronaldo Jr. You should gone to redirects per discussion instead. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Cristiano Ronaldo#Family, children, and relationships per previous AfD. Broc (talk) 13:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if there's Enzo Alves, why not him? Slancio2 (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Slancio2 we are debating whether to delete the page "Cristiano Ronaldo Jr" and not another one. If you think the article Enzo Alves does not fulfill notability criteria, feel free to nominate it for deletion. WP:WHATABOUTX is not a valid argument against deletion. Broc (talk) 14:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Notability is not inherited, but there isn't an insignificant amount of independent coverage (see Google News). C F A 💬 20:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Cristiano Ronaldo#Family, children, and relationships Right now as-is the subject's career is fully tied to where their father is in the same way the son of Barry Bonds was in the 2000s as a batboy; there's really no 'there' to discern on a U15 team. One of the sources is fully disqualified as a clickbait 'how much is this child worth' article that's talking out of its you-know-what (it's zero. He's a kid.). Nate • (chatter) 00:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Due to the player's passion, this article tends to be recreated over and over again. CR Jr. has some notability and the tendency is to increase. As pertinent as the nomination is, I don’t see it as a solution. Svartner (talk) 04:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The proper time for article creation is likely to be if they earn a cap on the main squad, certainly not before that. Who their parent is doesn't give them a notability multiplier regarding article creation since they're still only on a U15 squad as part of a national league that is effectively on par with a local AYSO club. Nate • (chatter) 18:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per previous AFD and fully protect to prevent re-creation. Giant Snowman 10:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and protect the redirect. Nothing has changed since the last AFD, his notability is still WP:NOTINHERITED. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as nom. I didn't realize that there was a separate process for redirection. Had I known, I likely would have gone that direction with the nomination. That said, I do think this article should be deleted, if not redirected, there is no inherent notability here. Anwegmann (talk) 00:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the only dissenting vote, I do not oppose it, but the chances of the article being recreated as "Cristiano Ronaldo Junior" or similar are enormous. Svartner (talk) 04:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So should we, as @GiantSnowman suggests, "fully protect" it? Anwegmann (talk) 06:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect and SALT Everyone pretty much said it above. Govvy (talk) 12:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just wanted to add that there was a third AFD, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristiano Ronaldo jr before these two were created. 05:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Chang-myong[edit]

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. There doesn't seem to be anything here, and a single appearance for the North Korean national team in 2000 doesn't cut it. Anwegmann (talk) 07:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - there is no basis for an article here. We don't even know his DOB, position or POB! I note that Order of Kim Jong Il and this source have a person of this name achieving an award which might be a claim towards WP:ANYBIO, however, I am not completely satisfied that this is the same person. Unless we can prove it's the same guy, we should delete the article on the footballer. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:10, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Craig Butler (football manager)[edit]

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This article does not meet any notability standards. The most notable thing about him is that he is the father of two players, but this is Wikipedia, not WikiTree. That he managed a high school team may get him some mentions in newspaper articles, but where those don't relate to his more famous sons, they are "local newspapers", which also don't make him notable. The rest is best handled on his sons' pages. Renerpho (talk) 22:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The restriction on local newspapers as a source of notability applies only in the case of companies, not sportspeople. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per rationale. Milkk7 (talk) 10:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by nominator @GiantSnowman: There is no lack of "sources",[16] they just don't make him a notable subject. But yes, if sources are found that actually do that, I'd like to know as well. Renerpho (talk) 10:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See the article history for what of that has been in the article in the past, as material has been removed for reasons like WP:BLP,[17][18] or due to being incomprehensible (thanks for finally cleaning up this mess). Renerpho (talk) 10:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't say there are no sources. Giant Snowman 11:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neither did I. :) Maybe someone else will be interested in that list. Renerpho (talk) 11:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, @Milkk7:, I found [19], https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/sports/20221023/craig-butler-project-pt-1], [20], [21], [22], amonng many more sources (which cna be found in aritcle talk page). Clearly siginficant figure in Jamaican football. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Das osmnezz: GiantSnowman probably was aware of those, as they and I discussed them here previously. The article [23] is about him leading his High School team to victory. That's hardly significant. [24] and [25] definitely would be significant, if anything had ever come of those ideas. Someone's grandiose plans to take over Jamaican football, even if announced in local newspapers, amount to little if none of them ever come true. The only notable thing that Craig Butler has done was being the adoptive father of Leon Bailey. Renerpho (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the article has been improved greatly over the past couple of days. Compare what it looked like a week ago.[26] Once you remove the fluff and the WP:BLP issues,[27] not much remains. Renerpho (talk) 23:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Butler is clearly a significant figure in Jamaican football, as shown by the amount of coverage he receives in Jamaican media... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per @Renerpho, with whom I concur. Tkaras1 (talk) 19:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, looks like a nothingburger. High school victories are utterly insignificant, and his academy doesn't look notable. Please write a real article instead of flooding a talk page with this and that. Geschichte (talk) 16:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Many sources provided here and talk page highlight how he has been a significant and controveral figure in Jamaican football... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How? Geschichte (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 20:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would usually consider an opinion to Draftify an article but with no one offering to work on this article, I think it would just be G13'd down the road. As a Soft Delete, it can be restored to main or Draft space should an editor be interested in developing it further. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan Turnbull[edit]

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Can't seem to find any WP:SIGCOV on this player beyond basic coverage either from the clubs, his college, or transfer notes. It appears as though he never actually played a professional match, which might be a failure of WP:SPORTBASIC. The only thing of basic substance I found was this, which is local and behind a paywall. Anwegmann (talk) 04:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Transfermrkt has him playing in one professional match in the EFL Trophy for Portsmouth vs Peterborough (source). Same matched that was referenced in the paywalled article. Tpd13 (talk) 11:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Transfermarkt is not a reliable source, but one EFL Cup match still doesn't make up for the lack of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 22:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman and Anwegmann: Some coverage: Shaw Network, Daily Herald (2), Portsmouth News (2). Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for posting these. I saw the first three when I was initially nominating the article. The problem with these is that they are focused almost entirely on his signing a professional contract and are very much local coverage—his hometown newspaper(s). This is hardly sustained coverage or, in my view at least, significant, meaningful coverage. The fact that the event these article cover happened, but then he went on to have a very brief career with no league appearances and no coverage at all makes me feel like it doesn’t/shouldn’t suffice for WP:SIGCOV. That said, I’m certainly open to other opinions on this. Thanks, again. Anwegmann (talk) 03:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No issues with 'local' news per se - but to analyse the sources: Shaw Network is paywalled but what is available is a bit routine; DH 1 looks OK; DH2 is routine; Portsmouth News 1 and 2 routine. It's essentially all 'look at this American who signed for an English soccer team'. Giant Snowman 17:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: Since article isn't a WP:STUB, and isn't completely lacking sources, I suggest turning the article into a draft, so that it can be updated, and later apply to be published again. -Mjks28 (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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World Unity Football Alliance[edit]

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An "international football" organization article that is a WP:HOAX in its current form. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No comment on GNG, but this is very clearly not a hoax. SportingFlyer T·C 19:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As but one example: there is a "Karen" team listed under Asia, but it is a local group in Minnesota. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You are likely unaware that the Karen are an ethnic group from Myanmar who have a diaspora in Minneapolis. SportingFlyer T·C 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  The Karen Football Association, which you can find can find plenty of details about through internet searches are a Karen diaspora group based in Minneapolis. Sherms95 (talk) 13:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The Kashmir team is a local club in Bradford. The organization (and the article) pretense to be "national teams for sub-national entities", but it isn't; it's a few random local clubs with ethnic ties that signed up for a press release with this group. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – It may not be HOAX, but it didn't even organize any competition to be relevant. Svartner (talk) 13:27, 12 June 2024

That's not true - the BBC even lists Chagos as the winner of one of their competitions: [28] SportingFlyer T·C 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Most of the coverage isn't independent, but there's some coverage, including from Bradford, [29], BBC mentions, the Non-League Football Paper, and the nomination was based on a mis-understanding. SportingFlyer T·C 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They basically do not organize any relevant competitions, a single mention does not prevent failure in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Esperanto national football team[edit]

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This isn't a "national football team". In an attempt to propose a move target, I determined that it should be deleted rather than renamed.

For the first match: some attendees at the 99º Universal Esperanto Congress had a friendly game of football during the event. [30]

The rest appears to be cosplay. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it does seem to pass GNG... SportingFlyer T·C 19:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Not a nation. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I created it as Esperanto football team since it is not a country but someone decided to move it to Esperanto national football team, I found [31], [32], [33],[34], [35], [36], [37], among many more sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources don't support that it is a "national football team" or a "football team" in any organized sense. It is a few one-off matches held by amateurs at various Universal Esperanto Congress events, and a few big-talkers making claims about pursuing non-FIFA recognition that are, in a word, bullshit. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is simply not true... it literally played in two non-FIFA organization tournaments (COSANFF Cup and Zamenhof Cup) among other games against teams in non-FIFA organizations (Mapuche etc), and on top of that it does meet WP:GNG by any means. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in a non-FIFA tournament is not the claim to fame you think it is... Giant Snowman 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Passing GNG is the claim to notability we think it is, and I don't know how you could argue against the articles here which were published in clearly reliable sources. SportingFlyer T·C 09:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, Thanls, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to World Esperanto Congress or Universal Esperanto Association. The subject is notable given the multiple reliable sources talking about it, but there's not much long-term coverage and not an enormous amount that needs to be said about it, so it fits better in context with other things the same people have been doing. Mrfoogles (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third option could be Esperanto, maybe in the Culture section Mrfoogles (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also like to say that if it does not get merged or deleted, it should be moved to "Esperanto (football team)". I would move it, but this is during an AFD. Mrfoogles (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - this article has been shown to meet GNG which no editor has refuted so should be kept. Thanks , Das osmnezz (talk) 00:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The sources in the article show that this clearly meets the GNG. I think it should be moved to "Esperanto football team" – some sources call it a national team, but one of those also then goes on to say "Es un equipo que no juega por una Nación o por un club". Common sense says it's not a national team. Toadspike [Talk] 19:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not opposed to a selective merge to World Esperanto Congress as suggested by Mrfoogles. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry Dunn (defender)[edit]

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I'm a bit unsure about this one, as he seemed to have a rather robust career, but it was entirely at the non-league, semi-pro level. There doesn't seem to be much of any WP:SIGCOV outside of this local newspaper coverage. I'd like to see what consensus is here, as it feels like a "delete" for me, but I'm curious what others think. Anwegmann (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Football figures whose playing and manager career is mostly confined to small clubs do not have exact material to support WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of Scarborough F.C. players where he should be added. Giant Snowman 14:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know, I don't think redirecting to the players article helps, seems to be an important figure for the club in the 1970s and 1980s, first as a player then as a manager. I'd prefer to keep, however if not, suggest a redirect to the club page Scarborough F.C. His name is mentioned four times on the page, twice as player of the year and twice as manager. As the content on the article is sourced, it maybe a good idea to merge some of the content. Deletion doesn't help anyone. Govvy (talk) 10:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a keep is a bit much for this player, but I'd be totally amenable to a merge or redirect, for sure. Anwegmann (talk) 01:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to have been pretty prominent; though searching isn't helped by the fact that the same team had another prominent Harry Dunn at the same time... There's an interview here, and while an interview, it does note that "Harry became a legendary player for Scarborough Football Club. ... Harry Dunn, in what was a 22 year period from 1965 to 1986 you played over 900 games for Scarborough FC, you scored many goals and created many more. You had well over twice the number of appearances of any player in the Club’s history and well over three times the number of appearances by any local player. You have been described as: -the ever present Harry Dunn -competent, reliable and dependable -a calm presence on the field -a gentleman on and off the field – everything that was needed for a team captain to lead Scarborough Football Club to the success it enjoyed and particularly to those Wembley victories." Also some briefish pieces on him: [38] [39] [40] [41]. Kind of expected more... BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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