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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 30 July 2020 [1].


Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so this one really is a good 'un. Outside of the ultimate classic (I may be biased), this play-off final is stuff of legend. It has been called possibly the most exciting match ever played at the old Wembley. Three apiece after regulation time, 4–4 after extra time and then penalties. I had the luxury of watching this all unfold in a pub near Loughborough (nothing better to do with myself at that time), and I remember it almost like it was yesterday. I will work tirelessly to address any constructive comments, and as always, thanks in advance for your time. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:08, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:53, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SUPPORT by Dweller

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Please see comments below. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:17, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished my tweaking and am good with whatever you and Lee decide below. This is an admirable article, easily FA quality. Support. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:28, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Oldelpaso

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This is very good, I only have nitpicks.

Cheers Oldelpaso, addressed the easy ones, got to find a way of looking into the other two, may be (much) more difficult. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 12:25, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oldelpaso I've added some season preview comments which Harrias kindly helped with, and some of the nuggets from Reid's autobio which you helped me with (thanks!) I've struggled on the "style"/"tactics" query, predominantly because although you're bang on about the lump it to Quinn while Phillips sniffed around for scraps, that isn't really covered in any of the contemporary reports. If you have anything pertinent and referencerable then I'd be happy to add it. Also, I'd be a touch reluctant to add that for just one of the two sides, i.e. what was Curbishley's 1998 Charlton team playing like?? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:47, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Its a fair point. Curbishley was at Charlton for many years but beyond cliched stuff about being well organised I can't find much about their style in that period. I'd view it as a nice to have, not an essential. Like you say, doing it for one team not the other would be lopsided. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oldelpaso what do you reckon then, anything else, I think I've covered the above now? I liked the quote from The Times reporter saying Curbs wouldn't amount to 'owt... The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:42, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's everything covered, all good as far as I'm concerned. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Lee Vilenski

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I may end up claiming points towards the wikicup. Hope you don't mind. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:55, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at this article, and give some comments on how it meets the FA criteria in a little while. If you fancy doing some QPQ, I have a list of items that can be looked at here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:45, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski thanks, I've addressed and/or responded to each of your comments above. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:53, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by WA8MTWAYC

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Excellent article, TRM. I have a few points. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WA8MTWAYC thanks so much for your comments, much appreciated. I've addressed them and/or responded to them above. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:04, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Good job, TRM. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 11:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kosack

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  • Link hat-trick in the lead.
  • "Charlton Athletic faced Ipswich Town in their play-off semi-finals", is there a need to reuse Athletic here? Both the mentions before and after this have dropped it.
  • "Dr Martens League", sponsored names should be avoided in favour of the competition's official name.
  • "went over the Charlton's crossbar", either the or Charlton's is wrong here
  • "In the 23rd Charlton", is minute missing here?
  • Quinn claimed that despite the loss, his team were the best footballing side in this division", there's an opening quotation mark missing from here somewhere.
  • "Miles Kent writing for the Bleacher Report in 2008 calling it", the double -ing here doesn't seem to work. Should it be called instead? The same with describing immediately after, should this be described?
Kosack thanks, I've addressed all your comments, without fail. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:07, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work TRM, a good read. The reviews above have ironed out much of any potential issues, a few minor things I noted are listed above. Kosack (talk) 13:57, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's all from me, happy to support this. Kosack (talk) 14:14, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – pass

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In progress. Harrias talk 14:01, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting and consistency

Quality and coverage

  • All sources appear to be to high-quality, reliable sources.
    Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do wonder at the lack of inclusion of written histories of the clubs: Ramzan, David C. (2014). Charlton Athletic: A History. Amberley. ISBN 978-1445616575. and Collins, Mick (2002). The Rise & Rise Of Charlton Athletic: From Portakabins To Porto Captains. Mainstream. ISBN 978-1840186956. might be worth a look.
    If I was writing the history of the club, I'd agree, the coverage of this specific singular football match is extensive here already. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I've bought them both so I can also become a CAFC expert too. One is coming tomorrow, the other second hand from Amazon will take a week or so. Hopefully that won't hold up this source review, you can AGF that I'll include anything of relevance. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Harrias Ramzan arrived half an hour ago so all three pages (£4 per page!) which cover the final have now been included. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Might be useful for 1987 Football League Second Division play-off Final too, then it might only be £3 per page! In seriousness, it looks good at a glance, but I'll have a proper look through in a bit. Harrias talk 16:54, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I did check that before I bought it last night actually, so you're right, it might serve two for the price of one! Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:59, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Right, that's enough from me for the moment. I have to prepare myself to see if United can avoid losing to Leicester. I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2010 Twenty20 Cup Final/archive1 if you get a chance. I will claim WikiCup points for this review, etc. Harrias talk 14:42, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Harrias cheers, all addressed. That GAN is still waiting for you to return by the way! Enjoy the football. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:58, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All my concerns have been resolved, this passes the source review. Harrias talk 07:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: I think this is "oven ready" now. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: five supports, and image+source review passed? Time for the next one... The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:34, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, might not get to this today but feel free to start a new one. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Collins, Mick (2003) generates an ISBN error -- not holding up promotion because I have seen instances of false positives with this but perhaps you can check... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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