Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Supernatural (season 2)/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 15:04, 27 November 2009 [1].
Supernatural (season 2)[edit]
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I am nominating this for featured article because I feel it meets the standards of a featured article. Ωphois 21:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - sorry, I can see a lot of work has gone into this contribution but the prose is appallingly bad. There are problems everywhere—too numerous to list here. The whole article requires a thorough copy-edit. I suggest that this candidate should be withdrawn, taken to peer-review, and a good copy-editor recruited. It does not meet the standards of a featured article, sorry. Graham Colm Talk 22:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you give a few examples so I know what you are referring to? Ωphois 22:33, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- From the Lead alone, lack of parallel structure, "During their travels they use their father's journal to help them carry on the family business, saving people and hunting supernatural creatures." I have not seen this TV series, but to me this should read, "to save" and "to hunt". But there are too many problems to list here—if I list a few more, there will be a temptation to fix only the ones listed. There is much redundancy throughout the article and a lack of logical flow in many parts. I know I have just ruined your day, but this is nothing personal. Let's see what other reviewers have to say on this and if I am wrong then I will retract. Graham Colm Talk 22:50, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Just a note: The family business is "saving people and hunting things". The sentence is not a series. The comma is used for a parenthetical phrase. Anyways, I'm fine with that, though I would like to know what you find as redundant.Ωphois 23:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- All those "in order to"s for a start, [2]. Graham Colm Talk 23:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Just a note: The family business is "saving people and hunting things". The sentence is not a series. The comma is used for a parenthetical phrase. Anyways, I'm fine with that, though I would like to know what you find as redundant.Ωphois 23:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- From the Lead alone, lack of parallel structure, "During their travels they use their father's journal to help them carry on the family business, saving people and hunting supernatural creatures." I have not seen this TV series, but to me this should read, "to save" and "to hunt". But there are too many problems to list here—if I list a few more, there will be a temptation to fix only the ones listed. There is much redundancy throughout the article and a lack of logical flow in many parts. I know I have just ruined your day, but this is nothing personal. Let's see what other reviewers have to say on this and if I am wrong then I will retract. Graham Colm Talk 22:50, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, well I fixed the redundancies I could find, and fixed some stuff in the writing section. Ωphois 02:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments: Good shape overall, I have to say, I thoroughly disagree with previous comments describing the prose as "appalling"—it needs some touch ups, that's all, it's not like it's complete and utterly terrible. Here's some comments:
- In the lead, the info about the change to The CW could be improved a bit. Explain how it used to be on the WB.
- In the description for "Playthings," fix the broken link to Matreya Fedor
- In "Writing," explain a bit of the "usual format" used in season 1, as explained in the quote.
- Also in "Writing:" "Some storylines originated from ideas that writers could not[...]" -> "[...]ideas that the writers[...]"
- No source for almost the entire last paragraph in "Music."
- iF Magazine is actually not the same as If (magazine), so please delink in "Reception."
- That's all. Nice work again. :) The Flash {talk} 05:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - sorry, but I have to agree with Graham. Here's a sampling of sentences from one random paragraph, I would defy anyone to claim that this approaches criteria 1a: " its prose is engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard". Sasata (talk) 05:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "The vampire episode "Bloodlust" came out of the writers wanting to make an episode in which characters questioned if the monsters should be killed."
- "Cathryn Humphris pitched a story with a ghost as a death omen, trying to warn people rather than kill as usual ghosts do, and this evolved into "The Usual Suspects"."
- "Kripke noted a part of the episode in which brothers are arrested and tell police what had happened, and it became the framework of the episode, starting the plot off with Sam and Dean being taken into custody."
- "The original concept for "Tall Tales" was a "he said, he said" episode, where the brothers tell their own accounts of the storyline."
- "Unlike other episodes, the writers did not put their own spin on trickster lore, keeping the "deadly sense of humor" and decision to go after the "high and mighty to bring them down a notch"."
- Okay. I'd I'll submit it for peer-review. I'd like to request that the nomination be removed. Ωphois 10:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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