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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by The Rambling Man 17:42, 6 October 2009 [1].

Gwen Stefani discography[edit]

Nominator(s): EA Swyer Talk Contributions 22:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because it is complete! I was annoyed when it was demoted because it was the lead article of a featured topic I nominated, but since then I have brushed it up and want to restore the topic "Gwen Stefani albums". Constructive criticism welcome; I will try to resolve any issues as soon as possible. EA Swyer Talk Contributions 22:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Not really sure what shape it was in when it was demoted, but I still see alot of problems. Alot of MOS:DISCOG stuff in particular:

  • MOS:DISCOG recommends a limit of 10 chart columns. I think you've got 11 here. Done
  • The chart columns also need to be in this order: home country first, then alphabetical by English name. Done
  • Why are the formats small text? Just abbreviate the formats (CD, CS, DD) if you're worried about space. Done
  • The two music videos that are missing directors could probably go. One was never released (and therefore doesn't really belong in a list of works released), and the second was only shown during live performances? (The note is a little unclear about that). I don't think I'd really call that a music video, more like a visual accompaniment. And the fact that it's 3 or 4 songs leads me to the same conclusion. Done
  • Some of the directors have multiple citations. Only one is necessary. Done
  • Most of the country-specific chart websites are published by Hung Medien. So that needs to be there. Done
  • It would be nice to see some more consistency in the width second column from the left. I have little-to-no table-fu. The second column is wrapping around the song titles. It doesn't look that bad.
  • Some general references are needed. A la Yeah Yeah Yeahs discography. Drewcifer (talk) 23:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC) Done as an external links/general citations section[reply]

Will get to work on the other stuff. Thanks for the comments. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 00:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished all that you've mentioned and will have a look at MOS:DISCOG. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 00:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 00:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from Diaa
I chose it, not because the song is significant, but because the picture gives a clear view of her face and head. If I had to chose the image most relevent to the discography, I'd have an image of her first album as it was the better-selling of the pair. The image I have used is a good shot of Gwen and is also used in the featured article Love. Angel. Music. Baby. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 16:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "For Stefani's work with band No Doubt, see No Doubt discography." could be reworded to fit in the lead. Something like "Stefani also worked with the band No Doubt, releasing multiple music albums".--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done.
  • The General references link of all Music doesn't work. You should write instructions of how to reach the discography.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Don't know why that wasn't working, but I've left instructions. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 16:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. http://www.chartstats.com/about.php seems to be an unreliable source since it's tertiary and collected by a person and not an entity. Please replace it.
chartstats is listed at WP:GOODCHARTS as a recommendation and there is a discussion about its reliability on that talk page by admins deciding it's perfectly reliable. Mister sparky (talk) 16:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
References
  1. http://www.bpi.co.uk/platinum/platinumright.asp?rq=search_plat&r_id=32308 isn't accessible, please replace it. Fixed
  2. Why is http://acharts.us/ reliable?
  3. http://www.musicsquare.net/ redirects to acharts.us while it seems to be an freely editable weblog, so deemed unreliable.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 16:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See below for explanation re:acharts and Music Square. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 00:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support the list was improved to meet FL Criteria and is of high quality.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 04:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The music videos table is a bit lacking. The three consecutive Sophie Muller videos could be consolidated into one cell spanning three rows, and you really should have another column showing which album the videos were taken from. In my opinion, that is. Seegoon (talk) 11:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
in other FL reviews i have participated in, having the albums column with the video is strongly discouraged because its perfectly clear what album the songs belong to from the singles table. Mister sparky (talk) 12:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments. I have merged the Sophie Muller cell across 4 rows and, yes, it does look better. I haven't added an album column in because I think it's unnecessary (per what Mister sparky said) and I can't see a recently-featured discography-FL with albums in the video section. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 14:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Things change at FLC/MOS:DISCOG. It was only a quibble anyway – I support this fine-looking article. Seegoon (talk) 17:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

  • What makes aCharts reliable?
  • The BPI link is dead. Fixed
  • Ref 34 is missing a publisher and access date. Fixed
  • Ref 37 is missing an access date. Fixed
  • Spell out ARIA in the publisher. Fixed
  • Ref 12 needs a publisher. Fixed Dabomb87 (talk) 00:20, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This page on acharts explains why Music Square redirects to acharts - they are published by Music Square, just on a separate website. That page also has a section on acharts being used as a reference on Wikipedia. WP:GOODCHARTS lists acharts as reliable for certain charts. I haven't used any unofficial charts in the page. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 00:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. Personally, I do not believe that acharts is a reliable source for reasons that I have stated numerous times in the past, but rather than start a firestorm over it, I will remain neutral on this FLC and allow others to debate over it if necessary. The other attributes of the list that I really looked at (formatting, lead) seem fine. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:13, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Jpeeling (talk · contribs)
Comments
  • The Pop 100 chart debuted in February 2005, yet you have chart figures for 'What You Waiting For?' and 'Rich Girl' which were released in 2004. Where do these come from? --Jpeeling (talk) 11:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you have a look at the reference, number 19, you'll see that both "What You Waiting For?" and "Rich Girl" charted in 2005, despite being released in 2004. The information is quite a way down the "Billboard singles" tab on the page. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 17:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apologises for that, I need my eyes checking. A few further comments:

  • The 37 for 'Now That You Got It' I believe should be in Australia column not France.
  • 'Can I Have It Like That' reached 15 in the Dutch charts not 25.
  • 'The Sweet Escape' reached 14 in the Italian charts not 7.
  • 'Luxurious' reached 44 in the UK charts not 45.
  • Ref 27 is used in the featured artist section but I can't see either singles on that source. The 'Rich Girl' single's position isn't covered by that ref either.
  • No singles in the featured artist section reached the US Pop charts, should that column be removed?

--Jpeeling (talk) 21:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I must have messed up a few numbers when I was rearranging the chart columns. I have corrected them, per the citations. I have new refs for Rich Girl, Let Me Blow Ya Mind and Can I Have It Like That, and I've removed the superfluous column. Thanks for the comments. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 23:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The changing colours in the "Music videos" section are a tad distracting, since there are some cells that use rowspan. -- Scorpion0422 00:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The Music Square references all appear to be broken. Also, I'd like to hear why the nominator thinks that aCharts is a reliable source for the information referenced. Goodraise 01:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, the website is broken. I can't help that. A message on the page says the server will be back in a few days; it worked when I took information from the site. See paragraph above and WP:GOODCHARTS for why aCharts is a reliable source for the charts I have used. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 14:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I already looked at WP:GOODCHARTS and read the paragraph above. What I'm still missing is a rational as to how aCharts meets WP:RS for the information cited. Goodraise 14:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the information from aCharts in the lead is only to give a general impression of how each single performed; raw data is taken from Hung Median. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 14:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn't see your comment. Sadly, I can't give you a decent answer until I can see the website again, except that concensus at GOODCHARTS has accepted it. -- EA Swyer Talk Contributions 14:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Even if GOODCHARTS has accepted it, which by my understanding of the page is only partially true, that doesn't mean that I have to accept it as well. In any case, I'm not going anywhere. I can wait for however long you need to come up with a decent answer. Goodraise 23:40, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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