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The list was promoted 20:12, 11 May 2008.

List of Governors of Pennsylvania[edit]

Another month, another list. In the tradition of the other featured ones (most recently List of Governors of New York), I offer this list for your consideration. --Golbez (talk) 20:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah

Comments

    • Avoid links in the bold title words per WP:LEAD
      • This style, while against LEAD, fits the previous eight featured governor lists, as well as many other featured lists; clicking random links on WP:FL, around 60% of the lists I clicked contained bold links in the lead. --Golbez (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I know that it's very common, but it is against LEAD, so...;) --Crzycheetah 20:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why is there a "Notes" column in the Presidents of the Supreme Executive Council" table?
      • Whoops, a relic from before moving the notes to the relevant cells. Fixed. --Golbez (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I assume that the Presidents were not members of any party, so I want to see that explained somewhere.
      • Another thing I forgot to do, fixed --Golbez (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's a horizontal scroll bar on IE, is there a way to avoid it?
      • What part of the page is stretching? --Golbez (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I just previewed each section and noticed that the scroll bar appears in the Other high offices held section, but I don't know why.--Crzycheetah 20:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • I removed the width=100%, that might help. --Golbez (talk) 20:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Publisher info should be added for the constitutions.
      • Done. Also, adding pictures now. --Golbez (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
--Crzycheetah 02:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The scroll bar is gone and the list looks fine.--Crzycheetah 20:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks good, and excellent lead. Marrio (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • Bold links in the lead must go. It's a breach of WP:MOS. It doesn't matter if other lists made it through, they're in breach of the MOS too. Six wrongs a right don't make. See Straight repetitions of the title in the opening sentence for an on-going discussion about this very point, and the lead-in sentence.
  • Note [E] is in the wrong place, place it after the comma.
  • "prohibited governors from succeeding themselves" I found this a little perplexing - do you mean they're disallowed from having consecutive terms?
    • Right, if I governor in 1808, I would not have been allowed to run in 1811, but I would be allowed in 1814.
  • Also, since you use "suceed themselves" in consecutive sentences, it'd be worth rephrasing one of them to avoid repitition.
  • "totalling 54 terms in both offices" is totalising these terms of any significance?
    • I suppose not, though some sources (like the NGA) record Ed Rendell as the 54th (or 52nd, even) Governor. This was an attempt to head some of the numeric confusion off at the pass. --Golbez (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check image captions are not fragments - if so, remove the period.
  • Unfortunately, WP:COLOR is being enforced more strongly these days, particularly the bit where it says "Ensure that colour is not the only way used to convey important information. Especially, do not use coloured text unless its status is also indicated using another method such as italic emphasis or footnote labels. Otherwise blind users or readers accessing Wikipedia through a printout or device without a colour screen will not receive that information." so simply colour coding is to be avoided.
    • I agree completely, and have been a fierce defender of that notion. However, nowhere in this article is color used as the singular method of conveying information. It is only used to communicate party, and in every single case (the top table, the middle key, and the color in the main table), it is accompanied by a party name. --Golbez (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Line 33, Lt Gov "vacant" shouldn't be small.
    • Aww, why not? See WI, that is mainly my template.
      • That don't matter. WI is wrong, wrong, wrong. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • But why shouldn't it be small? I mean, I have no problem with changing it, but what's the reasoning? (preparing for counterquestion "what's the reasoning for making it small" in 3, 2, 1...) --Golbez (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, yes, good question, why small...?! In fact you have Office vacant in the same table in normal size font. It doesn't add anything to the table and simply makes it more difficult for people with reading difficulties. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have at the moment. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose, it fails to cite enough sources. Not every person listed on the list has a cited source. GreenJoe 17:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It cites two general sources which handle every entry in the first, second and fourth lists; the third list is cited separately and specifically under the NGA ref, with specific references as needed. I see no logic in adding a notes column with just the same two references in the entire table. Every piece of information is either in the two general references, or specifically cited. --Golbez (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from User:Salmar
  • Comments: Looks very good, as usual; I only have a few concerns:
    • Note [P] needs to go after the comma
    • The second sentence of note [3] is extremely long: it has 2 semicolons, and the second and third clauses both start with the word "however". Could it be reworded?
    • The caption for Benjamin Franklin says that he was the postmaster general; didn't this used to be a cabinet-level office? If it was, shouldn't it be in the "other high offices" table?
      • It was; however, he held the office prior to it being cabinet-level (and, in fact, prior to there even being a cabinet) which is why I omitted it. --Golbez (talk) 02:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This last isn't very important, and won't affect my support, but if you were to put the specific references inside <div class="references-small" style="column-count:2; -moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2;"> </div>, they'd be in two columns, like {{reflist|2}}.
    • As the person who started it, I'm sorry that "WI did it" isn't a good enough argument; I've already fixed the parts that made the WI list "wrong, wrong, wrong" =P
      • I know, right? That was our gold standard. :P --Golbez (talk) 02:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • —Salmar (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks very good; support —Salmar (talk) 13:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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