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List of Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club grounds

Featured list candidates/List of Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club grounds/archive1

Nominator(s): AssociateAffiliate, ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:28, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AssociateAffiliate started this article and created the table, I have added an extensive lead and generally tweaked it a bit, and now feel it meets the FL requirements. It follows the same format as four similar lists which have been recently promoted to FL and one which currently has two supports, and all feedback from those FLCs has been incorporated into this article too..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:28, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"Other than a single match played in Newark-on-Trent in 1856 and two games played in Welbeck Abbey between 1901 and 1904, Trent Bridge was the home venue for all the county's first-class matches until the 1920s." ref?
- That can be easily deduced from the table, I don't think it needs specifically referencing -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Since 1998, the only ground used by the club other than Trent Bridge is the Sports Ground in Cleethorpes, which is not actually in Nottinghamshire but in the adjoining county of Lincolnshire." same for this one
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:59, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
the images are causing the table to stretch past the screen on my browser, I'd remove them.
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Table needs rowscopes to comply with MOS:DTT
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:00, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think ref 2 provides the page number from the book
- I can see the page no in the ref..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, I also have a list that could do with a few comments, if you have a spare minute. NapHit (talk) 10:51, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support meets the criteria, great work. NapHit (talk) 19:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

~~"Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club is one of the 18 member clubs of the English County Championship - This needs to be sourced~~
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Added another source since the one which you'd added doesn't quite cover the '18' claim. —Vensatry _(Talk) 10:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~"the current club was established in March or April 1841" - Do we have any other source which clears up the uncertainty?~~
- Not that I can find, but on reflection I don't think the specific month is important so I have removed it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~"The Nottinghamshire team have played first class, List A, or Twenty20 matches at eight different grounds. - Is it worth clarifying that Trent Bridge is the only venue to host T20s till date?~~
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Although the notes look like being obvious claims, I'd suggest you to source them for the sake of reference completeness.~~
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Link Hachette UK, BBC, and BBC News accordingly.~~
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

—Vensatry _(Talk) 17:01, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support, meets the standards. —Vensatry _(Talk) 10:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

You mention matches in the lead before describing what kind of matches.
- amended -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"the current club was established in 1841.[3] The present club has competed in first-class cricket from 1841" repetitive (i.e. current club/present club and "established in 1841"/"from 1841")
- amended -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It seems a little odd to include "cricket" in the List A cricket link but not in the Twenty20 cricket link. I understand that's how our articles are titled but it seems inconsistent.
- Tweaked -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:30, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All-England Eleven links to William Clarke's All-England Eleven in the lead but All England Eleven (without hyphen) links to All-England cricket teams which redirects to Non-international England cricket teams. I suggest the format and link inconsistencies are resolved.
- Resolved -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Minor point, but first para in the lead talks about playing at grounds "within the county" yet Notts (per the third para) have played at a ground in Lincolnshire...
- amended -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:05, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Statistics are complete through to the end of the 2014 season. why not make it up to date?
- Now up to date -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Cricket Archive currently says 1567 first-class matches have been played, admittedly not all by Nottingham, and some are future matches, but how did you arrive at your total of 1478?
- It's the number of matches where Notts were the home team -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:18, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - So you hand-counted those which didn't feature Notts? Also, the previous note applies, since the 2015 season has concluded, you'll need a re-count... The Rambling Man (talk) 08:31, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - In a nutshell yes, although I did it by exporting the data into Excel and doing some jiggery-pokery there :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:01, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Bearing that in mind, isn't something similar to Note B applicable to the Trent Bridge total?
- Done (finally - sorry for the delay.....) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:42, 13 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The other Cricket Archive ground match lists also have different totals and hence their titles in the references are incorrect.
- Think they all match now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 7 is a very peculiar choice to prove that Cleethorpes is in Lincolnshire...
- Changed the ref -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:44, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's it from me. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:31, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note/Hint/etc. - I have my own FLC Candidate Mexican National Lightweight Championship and I figured giving is the best way of getting feedback.

Comments

Lead

"and has competed in first-class cricket from 1841" - Should this be "since 1941" since it looks like they still compete in first-class cricket?? same with List A and Twenty20??
- No, 1841 is the correct date, Notts have competed in first class cricket from 1841 to the present day, not sure what the confusion is....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry "1941" was a typo on my part. When I read the "From 1841" I read it as past tense, that they no longer played first-class cricket, but that is not the case from the table. MPJ -US 21:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Table

Confused by the sort order of "no other matches to date" what is the sort criteria?
- Where they have only played one match at a given venue, "no other matches to date" sorts as the date of that match -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Alright that works for me. MPJ -US 21:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At first glance I thought that Trent Bridge was no longer used either since it has a date in "last", technically what you have is the "most recent", I don't know if it would be worth noting the difference for that Cricket ground?
- Well, technically speaking that was the last game at the ground until the next one.... ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Remaining sorting etc. looks good.

Sources

CrickeArchive is cited repeatedly, is that a Reliable source?
- Absolutely. It is edited by Philip Bailey, author of "The Who's Who of Cricketers", chief statistician and records compiler for "Wisden Cricketers' Almanack", and generally regarded as one of the pre-eminent cricket statisticians of his generation -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Excellent, I am good with that.
The other sources look good to me.

Notes

Nothing in the notes are referenced in the lead - I did not realize that the cricket grounds had hosted other teams etc. to ensure the lead covers all major aspects would it be worth putting in a sentence or two around this? Not a deal breaker, just from doing GA reviews the "all major aspects" criteria is something I've been paying attention to.

Added a sentence in -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very good list, only minor comments that I am sure can be addressed or explained, MPJ-US 01:23, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

With the added sentence I think we've got it all covered for me. Support MPJ-US 21:43, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source Check by PresN

Formatting looks good, though ref 30 is missing isbn (978-1-119-99656-9)
Consider archiving your online refs, so that they don't get messed up by linkrot
Checked refs 2, 6, 16, 30 - all good
Source check- passed --Pres N 19:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Bharatiya 29 14:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

;Comments

It should be "2009 ICC World Twenty20" (in note D)
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:38, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Link "2015 season" (in the Grounds section)
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:39, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Consider changing "no other matches to date" to something else as per WP:REALTIME.
- I can't think of any other way to put it - any suggestions....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:15, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - You can remove "to date" as you have already mentioned that the stats are correct as of 2015 season. Bharatiya29 11:02, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is not necessary to link CricketArchive in every ref.
- As far as I am aware, the MOS says that publishers/works should be linked every time, because the order of the refs might change -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:15, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The first line of the lead gives an impression that the team plays only first-class cricket (since County Championship is a first-class tournament).
- Amended -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you have time then please review List of Ranji Trophy triple centuries. Bharatiya 29 17:47, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support Bharatiya 29 14:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Well-sourced, accurate, table works, similar standard to the other FL on County cricket grounds. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting! --Pres N 19:55, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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