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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 12:08, 29 August 2009 [1].

List of The Legend of Zelda media[edit]

Nominator(s): Gary King (talk) 02:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC), User:Guyinblack25, User:Nomader[reply]
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I've been working on this with the co-nominators for a few months now, and I think it's finally ready for FLC. I have based the list off of similar lists, such as List of Wario video games. Gary King (talk) 02:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Though I see where you're coming from, and I myself thought about making the list into a media list before this nomination, I have to disagree with you. Not only would the media list require the comics page you linked to, but it would also require The Legend of Zelda (TV series) and two of the books from Nintendo Adventure Books. The list is already quite long, and based on the fact that many other lists of the same sort have recently passed FLC (List of Donkey Kong games, List of Wario video games, List of Space Invaders video games), I don't think it's necessary. If the series were smaller (like Halo or Metroid), I'd agree with you, but I fear Zelda has too many games too make such a list feasible– if consensus is against me though, I have no problem adding the requisite information to the list. -- Nomader (Talk) 00:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think that all the episodes from the TV series need to be added, just a single box for the article. Not to mention that the comics could be pared down as well - most of the information there is completely unnecessary. I really don't think length is an issue unless it's extremely long...which isn't the case here, as it's shorter than other media lists. Those other series you mention probably aren't as large a franchise as Halo, Metroid and this one.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You make a very good point, I was under the impression that each of the comics were notable from just a quick glance at the article. I went ahead and searched for sources for each comic book series, and the only one I could find anything truly reliable for was the manga one. I'll keep looking though. For now, I've added the manga series and information on the TV series; I've noted below that the page should be moved to a media page. If there's any other media that I've missed, I'll add it as soon as anyone makes note of it. -- Nomader (Talk) 15:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are a number of soundtracks and strategy guides also released. I normally shy away from media lists because they can encompass a number of obscure pieces of media that are basically not notable and very difficult to source. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
  • I usually read media lists as for listing only notable media, not fringe sources and strategy guides. You're right about the soundtracks though, they would be necessary. I found a fansite with most of them listed, but obviously that's of no help for this FLC– feel free to remove the media I've added if you'd like to keep it as just a video games list, I'm fine either way. -- Nomader (Talk) 15:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I generally oppose the idea because in practice such lists are hard to properly research and maintain. But if the sources can be found, then I see no real reason to oppose a media list. See what you can find and I'll do some searching too. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
  • ←I found a fansite (which is no help to us) that lists all of the soundtracks for Zelda games here, so we know what we need to look for. I've found only one mention on any of the major gaming websites so far of any retailed Zelda soundtrack, which is the Majora's Mask one. It was listed at IGN here. The Twilight Princess soundtrack was mentioned at a blog on Kotaku ([2]); the post was written by the founder of gaygamer.net (per this source), although WP:VG hasn't decided yet whether it's a reliable source or not although it's leaning towards not being one (per this discussion). That's all I've been able to find so far with regards to soundtracks... I'll keep looking though. -- Nomader (Talk) 16:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Comics from The Legend of Zelda series should be entirely merged IMO, it's mostly unencyclopedic and can easily be listified. The number of boxes should be expanded to include each and every manga book released.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've added reliable sources for the mangas, but we're still missing reliable sources for the books– right now, the sources are from a fan-site which is too unreliable. I'll keep looking, but we may need to remove the books soon if I or anyone else doesn't come up with something. -- Nomader (Talk) 21:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I believe {{Nihongo}} is used incorrectly for the games with "Known in Japan as". The Romaji name should be written first. This can be achieved by adding an extra pipe character after "Nihongo": {{nihongo||ゼルダの伝説 神々のトライフォース|Zeruda no Densetsu Kamigami no Toraifōsu|lit. ''The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods''}}. This will produce: Zeruda no Densetsu Kamigami no Toraifōsu (ゼルダの伝説 神々のトライフォース, lit. The Legend of Zelda: Triforce of the Gods).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsonal (talk • contribs) 21:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Few more things: The Nihongo template in the lead is also used incorrectly. The official English title should be outside the parentheses. For style, why do some of the refs have their publishers wikilinked and others (e.g. #2, #8) do not? Arsonal (talk) 03:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed the Nihongo in the lead. I've unlinked all publishers; I believe this is just a matter of personal preference. Gary King (talk) 04:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why is this called "List of The Legend of Zelda games" rather than "List of The Legend of Zelda video games? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. List of Donkey Kong games was just recently promoted with this naming style. Gary King (talk) 02:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't make a difference unless there's a separate list for a different type of game. If the list sets out to list every single type of Donkey Kong game, why should it be clarified as a list of video games? Do arcade games count as video games?--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I checked, and for game lists that aren't media titles, there are a number of different usages:
I suppose that would lead us to presume that "List of XXX video games" would be the best choice, but really, I don't think it matters too much. The inclusion criteria is fairly obvious for all of them, although it can't hurt to make it more standardized. But per the above discussion I'm having with Zxcvbnm, it might be best to make this a media list instead of just a video games list. -- Nomader (Talk) 05:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per the material I've added above, I think it would be best if we moved the list to List of The Legend of Zelda media. I'm not sure what the policy is about moving pages while they're still FLCs, so if someone else could move it and take care of all the templates and such, it'd be appreciated. -- Nomader (Talk) 15:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) I did a couple spot checks of the sources, but not a complete runthrough.

  • "All The Legend of Zelda video games have been developed exclusively for Nintendo video game consoles" "All" is unnecessary.
  • Is there a link for "port"?
  • For The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, I couldn't find the GameCube release date from the source.
  • "The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker" Are you sure the release year (2002) is correct? The source says only "Zelda no Densetsu: Kaze no Takuto " was released that year.
  • "13 episode animated series"-->13-episode animated series Dabomb87 (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've addressed your comments. Ref 41 is the proper source for the GameCube release of Twilight Princess. It was apparently misplaced. The Wind Waker was released in Japan in 2002 under its original Japanese title "Kaze no Takuto". Wind Waker is simply the English translation. (Guyinblack25 talk 22:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
I've removed the Nintendo Adventure Books from the list; I couldn't find any verifiable sources. The only source listed for them was gamebooks.org, which from as far as I could tell was a fansite written by one guy. I looked up his name and nothing came up from any reliable publications. I didn't find anything I could use to verify either of the books except Amazon listings and other sites. -- Nomader (Talk) 00:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't an official Amazon listing notable?--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you– I suppose, but I was under the impression that most of the information from Amazon listings is user-submitted, and many of the goods are user-sold as well. I've never actually used Amazon though, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. -- Nomader (Talk) 02:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If Amazon itself is selling the item, I don't think the info is user submitted, and you can tell whether the goods are used or new.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note FLC is currently short of reviewers; please consider reviewing one or more on the nomination list if you have not already (this message is being posted to all running FLCs). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Goodraise (talk · contribs)

In the references:

  • "GameSpot" and "GameFAQs" -> CBS Interactive (GameSpot and GameFAQs are the works, not the publisher. Use |work= for them instead.)
  • "1UP.com" and "1UP" -> UGO Entertainment (See above bullet.)

Other than that, I can support this nomination. It appears to me that the list meets WP:WIAFL, though I didn't check too closely for criterion 1. Goodraise 22:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Goodraise- I've often wondered about including CBS and UGO in citations for GameSpot and 1UP.com. I see the logic to it, but I've wondered if websites count as a "work". Is this the same thing as a journal and publisher in {{cite journal}}? (Guyinblack25 talk 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
I must admit that I'm not absolutely sure about this. I'm simply trusting the documentation of {{cite web}}, which documents the work parameter with the sentence: "If this item is part of a larger "work", such as a book, periodical or website, write the name of that work." Goodraise 21:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The only case I've used the work parameter for a website is at Marble_Madness#cite_note-GameTrailers-2. GameTrailers a video game website sometimes "presents" content done by ScrewAttack, another website. Since it doesn't seem to affect your support, is it alright if I leave it the way it currently is? I will, however, bring the issue up at WT:VG and seek a more definite answer so there's consistency across the board. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Yes, it's alright. Goodraise 21:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It looks good, but I don't see mention of The Legend of Zelda Nintendo Power comics in the Comics section. GamerPro64 (talk) 22:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gamer- If you're talking about the miniseries based on Link to the Past that ran in Nintendo Power, then that is the one done by Shotaro Ishinomori. Unless there was another NP series of Zelda comics (I stopped reading during the N64 and Gamecube years). (Guyinblack25 talk 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Oh. It should be mentioned. But, I Support it. GamerPro64 (talk) 19:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't included it up till now because I wasn't sure how it was released in Japan. But I added the mention to the list. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)
General
  • Alt text, dabs, and external links check out fine.
Lead
  • 'The The Legend of Zelda games with two-dimensional (2D) graphics feature side-scrolling or overhead view gameplay, while the games with three-dimensional (3D) graphics give the player a third-person perspective.' -- "The The" is IMO not correct, I would remove the "the" that's not part of the series' title. It would still read the same way.
  • I've changed it to "The games in The Legend of Zelda series with 2D...". TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 23:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Spin-offs
  • Being a popular series in itself, why don't the last two entries have articles?
  • The tingle spin-off games are usually only released in Japan and it can be hard to find sources. I'll do my best to find sources in the next couple days, but with college work I might not be up to any sort of normal standard. If anyone else can create the articles I'd be fine with it, but I'll see what I can do on my end. -- Nomader (Talk) 20:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Other media
  • The first entry (note 1) - remove the period, not a complete sentence
  • Everything else checks out fine.--Truco 503 23:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Truco- Since the series is a Japanese one, it sometimes has Japan exclusive titles, which are difficult to write and source. I'm certain, however, that articles or at least redirects will be created in the future. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]
  • Support—Looks good to me in terms of the writing, in a quick run through. Tony (talk) 08:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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