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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 15:45, 17 September 2008 [1].

List of awards and nominations received by Bryan Adams[edit]

All the grammar problems have been fixed and the lead re organized thanks to Washburnmav. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC) previous FLC (16:08, 16 August 2008)[reply]

Comments

  • "This is a comprehensive list of major music awards received by Bryan Adams.." Done
    • Don't start the list this way - featured articles don't start "This is a comprehensive article about.." so lists shouldn't either. Done
    • Don't use bold links in the lead. Done
  • "but has only won 2. " - this is inherently POV saying "only" and you should use two, not 2. Done
  • "Adams has received four awards from 26 nominations." - not according to the infobox. Done
  • " and[6]was " - placement of citation per WP:CITE please. Done
  • "Canada's Walk of Fame in 1998. [5] " - placement of cite again. Done
  • Order citations numerically where possible. Done
  • "and been nominated for 3." - three....Done
  • "has received one award, and been nominated for ten." - perhaps turn this around to say "has won one award from ten nominations"? Done

A lot of these issues have been pointed out to you (BBHS) on a number of occasions. Please stop bringing lists here which are obviously not ready. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "for . He also "? Fixed
  • "in 1995 and released the" – "in 1995 for the" Fixed

Gary King (talk) 19:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those were my mistakes, thanks for catching them. Washburnmav (talk) 21:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • http://www.canadaswalkoffame.com/newSite/inductees/98_bryan_adams.xml.htm deadlinks  Fixed
  • Are the dates in ()'s in the refs the last access dates? Or a publication date? You use "Retrieved on ..." in the first two refs, that's the more usual form on Wiki, perhaps you should change to that?  Fixed
  • Per the MOS, title links shouldn't be in all capitals (current ref 10).  Fixed
Otherwise sources look okay. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed all the issues Ealdgyth brought forward. I checked every ref personally and added a relevant "retrieved on..." date (today). Everything suggested to this list has been corrected promptly, and accurately. Unless there are more objections or corrections I strongly believe this is now ready to become a featured list. Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 16:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not convinced - for a start, check out your accessdate edits - lots of redlinks in the references section now. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't realize it had specific formatting, those are now fixed. Washburnmav (talk) 17:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments II

  • "Adams has been nominated for 13 Grammy Awards.." - no need to repeat his name so soon after such a brief opening sentence, i.e. "He has been..." Fixed
  • Link the 1992 Grammy awards in the table. Fixed
  • "four awards from 27 nominations." not according to the infobox. Fixed
  • "Adams' career was launched by his 1980 debut album.." - I doubt it. His career started before that. Perhaps his first successful album launched in 1980.  Fixed
  • "His fourth album Reckless was released in 1984 with sales of more than five million copies in the United States.[2]" - this is an awards list, does this sentence have any relevance?
I believe it fits better now that I changed the preceding sentence. It shows a progression of his fame to the international level. Washburnmav (talk) 17:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same for the next two sentences. A discography might be interested in all these details but you need to convince people these facts are relevant to the awards Adams has won.  Fixed (Couldn't find a good way to fix it so I removed the paragraph. In this context it is unecessary.) Washburnmav (talk) 19:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Adams was awarded the Order of Canada[3] and the Order of British Columbia[4] for his contribution to popular music and his philanthropic work. He was also inducted into Canada's Walk of Fame in 1998.[5] In April 2006 he was inducted into the Music Hall of Fame at Canada's Juno Award," - this is good, but it's only in the lead, not expanded upon in the list.  Done
  • "and was recently nominated for his fifth Golden Globe for songwriting on the film Bobby.[6][7]" - recently needs to be framed chronologically (ie "in 2008") - and he didn't songwrite in the film, he wrote songs for the film, right? Done
  • Ref 6 is not specific, find an alternative.  Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cause The Ramblin Man has something against searchable databases, and i can't find a direct source for it. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 06:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So this list is incomplete? You must provide explicit references, not links to search engines. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
no, you don't need to add all the awards, this is enough, if you put it that way most of FL award pages are in complete. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Acutally, that's a really interesting point. WP:WIAFL criterion 3 requires a list to meet a certain degree of "comprehensiveness" - I quote: "It comprehensively covers the defined scope, providing a complete set of items where practical, or otherwise at least all of the major items;" - we need a scope to be defined or, at least, what a "major" award consists of. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't have time to add this or do anything with it but here a good direct source for Juno Awards. Washburnmav (talk) 15:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The man has been nominated for a juno award 55 times, that article doesn't even cover half of them, actually it does, i didn't even bother to check it, but your right. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is comprehensive enough, it has enough major awards to be seen as comprehensive. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please define, in this list's case "the defined scope" or what comprises "the major items"? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The list contains over 20 awards which are all notable and the list contains honors which not many award list has. Question is it a guidline which sais the source is got to be direct?
"CRIA Database Search" (Use keyword "Soundgarden"). Canadian Recording Industry Association. Retrieved 4 April 2008.
Would you agree this formating would work? --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 FixedAdded the nominations. Be Black Hole Sun (talk · contribs) Done
  • Support. I think it would be nice to have articles for every single on his discography. As for the list, congratulations, great job. Jaespinoza (talk) 01:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. FLC is NOT a peer review. This list is not of featured quality, and needs peer reviewing first. Bryan Adams has not won a golden globe. Try using WP:RS's - [2], he was only nominated. He has also been nominated for another four Golden Globes as well as that nomination. I'm not going to give you every reference for every award you haven't included - because there are more. This is a premature nomination that has turned into a peer review for a list not of featured standard. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Only nominated one time according to the Golden Globe page and you don't need to add all the awards. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong, look harder. Just because the golden globe website doesn't go back past 2005 doesn't mean there aren't more nominations before that. e.g. 2003. [3] There are more. This just re-iterates how premature this nomination is. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Premature is a bit harsh. When I think premature, I think badly formatted or lacking in the reference department. Judging by all the comments, it wasn't completely up to scratch, but besides missing Golden Globes nominations (I doubt it's a good source, but this place lists some more noms [4]), I'd give it my support. Red157(talk • contribs) 15:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed it.  Done --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I never saw the state of the list when it was first submitted, but currently, I can't see really anything wrong with it. Seems a bit biased to continually hold out on not supporting it considering all the work that's gone into it. Red157(talk • contribs) 20:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, but my issues are easily fixed, I think.
  • Why are the Much Music Video Awards not included? Adams won the 1995 People's Choice Award for favourite male vocalist. [5] There may have been more.You don't need to add all the awards, theres enough as it is
  • I don't understand why the infobox includes some award nominations and wins, but not others (i.e.: Golden Globes) Done
  • Honors --> Honours, Adams is a Canadian artist, I think Canadian English should take precedence. Also "Adams has won three honors out of three nominations" is a bit ridiculous for that section. These are not things people are nominated for in the same way as in awards shows. Given all three are basically lifetime achievement awards, I would suggest introducing that section as such. Done
  • I'll check back tomorrow, and revise my !vote accordingly. Regards, Resolute 03:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree on not needing to include all the awards. Especially if you are going to include the MTV Music Awards, but not the MMVAs. Also, I note that the totals in the infobox are not accurate. Resolute 14:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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