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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 23:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of songs recorded by Oh Land[edit]

List of songs recorded by Oh Land (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Carbrera (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list (as a competitor in the 2017 WikiCup) because I am sure it meets the criteria necessary for the FL process. It is a complete and comprehensive look at Oh Land's discography and is well sourced with all of the necessary citations. Thanks to all in advance. I will be pinging Aoba47 and The Rambling Man as they had helped me during the previous nomination. Carbrera (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • I support this nomination as all of my concerns were addressed in the previous nomination. I do not believe that this will count toward the WikiCup however, as you have done all of the work for the list in 2016. According to this discussion here from the talk page for the WikiCup, only contributions done after the starting date of January 1, 2017 count towards the WikiCup. However, feel free to contact the more experienced WikiCup handlers for more information and clarification about this. I just want to bring this up to you. Either way, wonderful job with the list and good luck getting it promoted. Aoba47 (talk) 23:32, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Aoba47: Thanks. Yeah, I figured it wouldn't count. I just made the mention because the rules recommends that all participants clarify this during the process. Whether or not it applies to the candidates/nominations just for the Cup, I don't know. Better safe than sorry ;) Carbrera (talk) 23:39, 16 January 2017 (UTC).[reply]
  • Cool, and I agree 100%. I just wanted to make sure you knew about it. Aoba47 (talk) 01:06, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added a couple categories and support this list's promotion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:16, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 15:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
*"independent issuing" -> "independently issuing"
Done
  • "two year" -> "two-year"
Done
  • The "0–9" link in the contents doesn't work.
Done
  • Per MOS:QWQ, "Etude in E Major, Op. 10 No. 3 "Tristesse"" -> "Etude in E Major, Op. 10 No. 3 'Tristesse{{'"}}
Done
  • Similarly, "Oh Land "Oh Land" (Alarm)" -> "Oh Land 'Oh Land' (Alarm)"
Done
  • Album titles beginning with "The" need to sort under their second word (Chopin, Flying, Papercut).
Done
Done

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I'm afraid that I don't think this article is at FL quality just yet.

  • The biggest sticking point for me is the lack of references – 24 is fewer than I would expect to see in a list of this type, and, of those 24, three-quarters of them are just citations to CD liner notes. Of the remaining six, four of them reference chart placings for Oh Land's albums, leaving just two references (McAlpine and MacInnes) that provide any kind of commentary about Oh Land's songs. Surely there must be more? A Google News search for "oh land" songs returns 659 results – could any of these be used for references?
  • Beefing up the references would also beef up the lead, which, in my opinion, is rather brief. By my count the prose portion of this article is 1,501 characters, which would just barely qualify it for DYK, never mind FL – this suggests to me that the article is not as comprehensive as it needs to be. Just one sentence is spent on Oh Land's fourth album, and only half a sentence on her debut. Is there anything more you could say? For example, are there any particular subjects that she sings about in her music? Is there any instrumentation that she regularly makes use of (strings, synth, brass)? What genres do her songs fall into? Can you be anymore specific than just "pop"? Does she have any "signature" songs? Where are her songs usually recorded? Who produces them? Which songs have been the most downloaded or streamed?
  • On the subject of the prose, I'm concerned that some of it lacks focus. Info about album sales/chart placings/certifications would be relevant in a discography article, but is less so here – this is specifically about Oh Land's songs, not her albums.
@A Thousand Doors: thank you for your concerns. I have addressed several of them already. However, I'd like to point out (that from my research) many FLs about "List of songs" generally only use CD/digital liner notes to cite within the list itself as they are sometimes the only sources that list all of the information for each particular song. I'd also like to state that a little chart performance would be beneficial in this article, as it pertains to the success of the songs (and given Oh Land, she really hasn't been too successful). I'll get on finding some sources referencing her sound/genre and ping you again ASAP. Regards, Carbrera (talk) 00:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC).[reply]
I'm not saying that you need to remove any of the references, just add to the ones that are already there. Only two references that provide any discussion or commentary on Oh Land's songs is fewer than I would ordinarily expect to see in a FL. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:02, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@A Thousand Doors: Thanks for the clarification. Could you check over the article again? I added new information based upon her recent soundtrack release, and some music style/production info. Regards, Carbrera (talk) 02:36, 28 January 2017 (UTC).[reply]
@A Thousand Doors: Are you able to revisit your comments? Just trying to keep the ball rolling on this review. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:53, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for my absence.

  • I see that two extra sentences have been added to the lead, but I'm afraid that I'm still reading this article and thinking "What else?" when I reach the end. The prose for featured lists on similar topics (e.g. songs recorded by Leona Lewis, songs recorded by Fiona Apple and songs recorded by Kelly Clarkson) is usually about 1½–2 times longer than in this article. And while I'm obviously not suggesting unnecessarily padding the lead, is there really nothing else of note that can be said about Oh Land's songs? For example, a few minutes of research turned up this article by The Guardian, which says that she recorded some of her earlier songs in a makeshift bedroom studio, then uploaded them onto MySpace. That's the sort of info that would be within the scope of this list. According to NME, the beats for some of her songs are taken from sounds she recorded out on the street. W Magazine says that her songs are characterised by "otherworldly vocals" and "lush soundscapes", and compares them to Bjork, La Roux and Lykke Li. musicOMH suggests that Dave Sitek's production on Wish Bone's songs make them not very radio-friendly. I'm not saying that you have to use any of this material, but I do think that it's close to the sort of information that could be included in the intro to make the article more comprehensive.
  • "A Perfect Fit" needs to sort under P rather than A.

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 15:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@A Thousand Doors: I added two more sentences of information and am planning on adding a bit more in the next day or so. I added info from two source you mentioned. Just a thought, but I'd like to point out that Oh Land is quite frankly a less recognizable artist when compared to singers like Leona Lewis, Fiona Apple, and Kelly Clarkson. Could you do me a favor and tell me how things look so far? Are they getting any better? Thanks so much for your comments. Carbrera (talk) 06:06, 21 February 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Resolved comments from SNUGGUMS
  • Aside from details on genres and lyrics, the lead is too singles-centric and needs more detail on non-singles; this isn't supposed to be a discography page. For example, you could say that Oh Land was the lone writer for "Love a Man Dead", "Next Summer", and "Renaissance Girls" on Wish Bone while she solely wrote all of the tracks from Earth Sick except for "Machine" and "Nothing Is Over".
  • File:Oh Land - Roskilde Festival 2011 - Cosmopol.jpg could use a more informative description

Let me know when this has been revised. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: – I added a few sentences and improved the pic. Thanks for your comments. Carbrera (talk) 00:18, 26 February 2017 (UTC).[reply]
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