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October 19

Two notes about Wikitext

1) Is there any difference between <br> and <br/> (or <br />?
2) In a wikitable, does the end of a cell automatically cancel such a tag as <small>? Hallpriest9 (Talk | Archive) 00:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

1. Yes, <br /> is preferable, because it's the most valid.

   Why? No other HTML or XML tags I know have spaces in them and when I first saw people changing br to br/, it was also the first time I saw the closing slash at the end of the tag. Never seen another tag like it. They all have the same effect. Why would the tag taking the most space be the correct one? - Mgm|^(talk) 07:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

   The slash at the end is XML for a self-closing tag; that is, one which doesn't have a matching close tag and just does something at the point it's written. (<ref /> (repeat previous reference) is distinct from <ref> (add new reference), so in some cases the distinction is important; missing out the slash when repeating a previous reference causes part of the page to be blanked, which is becoming something of an FAQ here at the Help Desk.) If you write <br> (old fashioned HTML), MediaWiki corrects it to <br /> (the correct XHTML way to do it) in output, so it doesn't actually matter which way you write it. --ais523 09:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

2. Yes, tags like small should generally be closed from one cell to the next. It's probably best to just specify CSS for particular cells, rows, or the whole table, if this is the desire, though. You can use code like so:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
|<big>Big text.</big>
|Normal text
|- style="font-size:smaller;"
|small text
| style="text-decoration:underline;" |more small text, but underlined
|}

to make

Big text.	Normal text
small text	more small text, but underlined

Hope that helps, Nihiltres^(t.l) 01:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Date of registration

Is there a page at which I can see on what date I registered as a user here? Hallpriest9 (Talk | Archive) 01:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Check the log page of your contributions. But to save you the effort:

14:45, April 7, 2007 Hallpriest9 (Talk | contribs) New user account

-SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 01:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

How can I edit a list page?

I tried to edit this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Self-help_books

but when the editor opens it doesn't show the list of books I wish to add to. I'm obviously missing something but I found no guidance in the FAQs. Thanks in advance for any help. EdX20 02:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Go to the page of the book you wish to add and add the following code to the bottom of the page: [[Category:Self-help_books]] Make sure you have the code alphabetized too(Category:A is before Category:B). SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 02:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Categories are automatically generated by the database from a list of all articles containing the category name. Due to this, it's impossible to add something to a category unless a corresponding article exists. If the book you want to add doesn't have an article, that would have to come first. Leebo ^T/C 03:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

For more details, see: Help:Category. For unbelievably more details, see: WP:EIW#Cat. As I mentioned elsewhere, categories tend to be one of the more confusing features here to new users, so you may want to read Help:Category a few times over a few days to let it sink in. --Teratornis 04:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I should add that while the page you called a "list" is really a category, we also have "list" pages that work the way you expect: as manually-editable lists of links to other pages. See: Wikipedia:Lists for an introduction to those kinds of list pages, and WP:EIW#Lists for all the mind-numbing details. --Teratornis 04:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Cross Reference Guide

Is there a cross reference guide? I'm new at this stuff. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.239.239.82 (talk) 04:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

It's a little hard to interpret your question, because we don't really use the term "cross reference" in the context of editing on Wikipedia. Instead we talk mainly about links and categories. (Wikipedia does not have page-oriented cross-reference commands of the kind you may have seen in document-production tools aimed at creating printed books, such as DocBook and FrameMaker.) If you refer to adding links between articles, as you edit articles, see Help:Link and Wikipedia:Build the web. Categories tend to confuse new editors; I had to read Help:Category several times to understand it. For lots of information about every aspect of editing on Wikipedia, see the Editor's index. --Teratornis 04:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Musicals by Nationality Categories

We're running into an issue over at WikiProject Musical Theatre in terms of how to categorize the articles on musicals. I'm not sure of where else to ask for help. If anyone knows where to ask questions for opinions about categories, I'll go there to ask. If anyone here can help, please look at our talk page. There are three separate sections delineating the issues. It would be easier to read everything there than for me to explain all of them here. If you can either direct me where to go for help or help us out over there, it would be a great help. Thanks! —  MusicMaker5376 04:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. :) My own general theory is that the people who watch a policy page are likely to be pretty familiar with the policy and its practice, so that's the kind of question I would probably pose at Wikipedia talk:Categorization. I'd come over and give you a hand myself, but I'm not that up on categories. Good luck!--Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Will do! —  MusicMaker5376 13:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

hi, I work for a company, we make a new tele-robotic tank systems

can we post the product class and the systems it uses?

This is a pure white paper information without reference to people or companies making this product, or do I need to referense them and it?

or should people and companies, refernse to works by people and universities be mention to refernce orginal research for such class of new warfare?

I have read some of the information about posting it is not completely clear? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrisonjford (talk • contribs) 05:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly that you're proposing to write an article about a product, the article would be governed by the notability guidelines on companies. The rule of thumb here is noting whether the product has received significant or widespread coverage in secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the company (excluding company PR releases and information solely available on the company website—these sources may be used for additional information after notability has been established by secondary sources). Newspaper or journal articles and scholarly texts are some good things to look for here. Other sources may be appropriate, too. You can read more about the types of sources to use or avoid at the "Verifiability" policy.

You don't specifically need to list the manufacturers of the product, although that sounds like it could be valuable information, but you do need to make sure that the information you have is fully referenced.

If you are able to assemble necessary sources to assert notability, you may certainly create such an article, although as you are closely associated with a company that produces the product, you should read over our conflict of interest guideline. If you choose to write the article yourself, you'll want to be particularly careful to approach it neutrally and without undue promotion.

Before establishing the article, please search Wikipedia to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Help:Starting a new page should give you all the guidance you need, but you might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Good luck, and happy editing. If this doesn't answer your question, please let us know. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Sign in

Why is it not possible for all those smart people linked to this site to figure out a SIMPLE way for the "Sign in"? I am just sick and tired to remember all those dozens of log-in names and passwords. I cannot use my standards because they are already used (perhaps by myself, but I have forgotten my password). For me, the log-in / password nightmare is the greatest nuisance of the Internet - even worse than SPAM or Viruses.

By the way, I am not going to install some arcane password administration software that takes me 5 hours to set it up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.169.29 (talk) 11:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Sticky notes can be helpful. Or, if you're on the go, a pocket "cheat sheet". :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I click "Remember me" when I log in on my home computer and then I never log in or out again. PrimeHunter 13:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

my page

hi,

someone has written a page about me (Sean Caldwell) on wikipedia, which i would rather not have on the net. I've tried deleting the text a few times but cannot permenently get rid of it. If you could help me do so i would be very grateful, as it is an invasion of privacy.

Many thanks, sean caldwell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.105.118 (talk) 11:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Generally speaking, articles aren't deleted unless they fall into the cases shown by the deletion policy; if you think that there is a problem with the article that would require its deletion under the normal processes (for instance, if you think you are not notable enough for an article), you could follow the normal deletion procedures (proposed deletion and/or articles for deletion). I suggest that it may be better to contact the Wikipedia volunteers who answer emails about similar things; see Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject), which recommends sending an email to info-en-q@wikimedia.org. Note that in the past, articles have not always been deleted just because the person who they're about objects (just like newspapers sometimes run stories about people who don't particularly want to be in the news). I hope that helps to clarify matters. --ais523 11:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Question about adding relevant external links to date related pages

I have a general information/satire web site and started adding external links on pages such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_26. I put a link to the relevant page ie (* theVoiceofReason.com's On This Day) in the external links section but after inputting a few of these was told I was entering spam.

I created an account (GaryTheReason) and the same thing happened again.

I am not inputting spam, I genuinely believe readers would be interested in the pages I was inputting. Is it possible to get cleared to add these pages please?

Many thanks, Gary Smith —Preceding unsigned comment added by GaryTheReason (talk • contribs) 11:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. :) The guidelines on advertising talk a little bit specifically about accounts that seem to exist only to add links to websites. Particularly when the website is yours, this falls into the category of "conflict of interest". I can well see why you think these links may be appropriate, although they might also be unnecessary since April 26 (for example) already has three other "On This Day" links. If you think the links have something substantial to contribute to the articles, given your connection to the site, the external link policy suggests that you bring it up on the articles' talk pages and let other editors decide to add the links if they agree. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Homepage

How to make Wikipedia my homepage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.197.210 (talk) 11:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• It depends on your browser. On Internet Explorer this is under the option "Internet Options" in the "Tools" menu. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That will depend on your browser; look for an 'Options', 'Internet Options' or 'Preferences' setting (often on the 'Tools' menu), and enter http://en.wikipedia.org as your homepage there if you want Wikipedia's Main Page as your homepage, or http://www.wikipedia.org if you want the search portal as your homepage. --ais523 11:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

At least according to questions asked at this help desk in the past, many users prefer to have it set so they receive a random Wikipedia article as their homepage. If you'd like that, follow the instruction above but use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random as the link.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

turn a page into a disambiguation list

Hi

I tried to ammend a page today and messed it up. There was already a page for [Graham Pearce- australian rugby player] and and I tried to add a page for myself [Graham pearce- UK comics writer artist] but it didn't work. I then tried to turn it into a disambiguation page but that failed.

can you help?

194.150.177.9 11:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC) Graham pearce

I have cleaned it up for you. The dab page can be found at Graham Pearce and the old page can be found at Graham Pearce (rugby league). Woodym555 12:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

How do I center text?

Title is self explanatory. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randomblue (talk • contribs) 12:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

It depends on where and why.

If you just want to center a paragraph,
the easiest method is to use the {{center}} template.

If you want to center cells in a table,	use style="text-align:center"
on the table,	row or cell.

These are the main methods of centering things. Note that centering text in an article, outside tables, is usually not a good idea for style reasons. Hope that helps! --ais523 12:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. In fact, I am trying to centre mathematical text. This is what I get : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Randomblue, please could you help me with style and presentation. Randomblue 12:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

In that case, I suggest {{center|the maths that you're trying to center}} is probably the best way to do it. --ais523 12:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Translate article

Dear firneds,

Id like to translate this article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merak_Mail_Server.

To brasilian portuguese. We are official representatives for IceWarp Merak in Brazil.

How can I do that?

Thanks, Flavio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.53.110.239 (talk) 12:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

See WP:EIW#Transl for general information about translating articles on Wikipedia. However, you did not specify what you want the output format of the translated article to be. Are you looking to put the translated copy on your corporate Web site, or print it on flyers to distribute to your customers? Or do you want to add the translated article to the Portuguese Wikipedia? The last option might be more useful, if Merak Mail Server is not already there in Portuguese. Then you could simply give your customers a link to the Portuguese article. --Teratornis 15:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If you only need a rough translation to Portuguese, you can use {{Google translation}}, like this:

• {{Google translation|pt|en|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merak_Mail_Server|Merak Mail Server in broken Portuguese}}

which gives:

• Merak Mail Server in broken Portuguese

--Teratornis 15:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

And I'm certain the Portuguese Wikipedia has rules on conflict of interest similar to ours here. Please follow those rules. --Orange Mike 16:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

background color

What is the code name (like f7f8ff) for the light light turquoise that is the default background for user and wikipedia space pages (like this one)? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calliopejen1 (talk • contribs) 13:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, I found it! (It's F8FCFF.) Calliopejen1 13:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I usually go here for hexadecimal color codes. Leebo ^T/C 14:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Wiki has an article including the hex codes. It is List of colors. - Rjd0060 14:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

And Web colors also. Absolute brilliance. :) PeaceNT 17:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

POPULAR SAYING

IS THE SAYING IN LIKE FLINT, OR IN LIKE FLYNN. WHERE DOES THIS SAYING COME FROM AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.98.95 (talk) 14:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

See Errol Flynn#Lifestyle. It's a popular belief that the phrase "in like Flynn" is based on his romantic exploits. There is a movie called In Like Flint, which might be a play on the popular phrase. In the future, take questions like this, that relate to facts, to the reference desk. Leebo ^T/C 14:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

searching for multiple categories

Is there a way to search for articles that are in multiple categories? I'd like to find any "featured" articles under any sub-category of the main category "Delaware". Elpiseos 14:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

There is actually one category that covers both things at once Category:FA-Class Delaware articles. Leebo ^T/C 14:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Go to WP:EIW#Cat and scroll down to the "Intersection of two categories:" heading. Some links to tools are there. I don't know if they will help. --Teratornis 14:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Changing a template

There is a list of easy listening stations under easy listening but when I tried to edit there was only a template. WEZV North Myrtle Beach, SC, should no longer be listed, although this might be debated. In my opinion, "easy listening" requires a certain number of instrumentals, and I didn't hear but one when I tried the station. Even adult standards tends to have more instrumentals than what I heard. WYEZ Murrells Inlet, SC, is definitely out of the format. Vchimpanzee 15:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

We have to use existing definitions rather than create our own. Your analysis of the station is original research and can't be used as justification to remove the station from the template. If the station identifies itself as easy listening, and independent sources do the same, then it's easy listening. Leebo ^T/C 15:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, if your question is simply about getting to the template, it's located at Template:Easy Listening Radio stations. That's the page you would need to edit to change it. Leebo ^T/C 15:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

As for how the station defines itself, I found a newspaper article but when I went to the newspaper's archives, I couldn't find that article. There is one possibility for finding the article I haven't tried, but the link might not work. I should have used the article as a source when the Wikipedia articles on WEZV and WYEZ were edited. But I didn't edit the Wikipedia article on WYEZ at the time I saw the newspaper article. Vchimpanzee 15:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

appropriateness of article subject

I am an unpaid intern at a small not for profit art gallery. It was suggested that I write a Wikipedia article about the gallery. I have spent a good deal of time reading through all the info on appropriateness of subject but am still on the fence.

Pros: -This gallery has an interesting history, springing up during the 1970's womens movement as a showcase for women artists and feminist art, and a reaction against the barrier for women artists to be shown in traditional galleries at the time. -It is referred to and discussed in several feminist art history books, and has at least a few limited edition academic books published regarding it, as in, written by Art Historian professors.

Cons: Conflict of interest by me writing it. Not noteworthy enough, since it is not well known.

Please let me know what you think! I don't want to write the article and then have it get deleted. Thanks, Mollificent Mollificent 15:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your diligence in researching Wikipedia's policies before jumping in, it's very refreshing. The number one thing you would need to write an article about the gallery is multiple independent reliable sources that you could cite to both establish notability and allow readers to verify the information. If you can provide sources, then the article will likely not be deleted. If you are worried about the COI, you could submit it for other Wikipedians to write by including the sources. Leebo ^T/C 15:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

It sounds noteworthy enough, if it is covered in scholarly works and is the subject of academic books. If that can be verified with citations, notability should not be a concern, as notability is distinct from fame. As Leebo says, you could ask other Wikipedians to write the article, but if you choose to do so yourself just pay careful attention to the conflict of interest guidelines to ensure that you maintain a neutral tone and that your article is not overly promotional. As you assemble ideas, if you want to discuss them further you may want to take them to the drawing board. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not you choose to try writing an article on Wikipedia (and take a chance that it might get deleted), you can also look for other wikis that may accept your article. For example, see: wikiindex:Category:Art. Wikis that specialize in a particular subject area may accept a wider variety of articles in that subject than Wikipedia does. However, every wiki has its own requirements, and not every wiki spells out its policies and guidelines as clearly as Wikipedia does. Save a copy of your work on your own computer in any case. --Teratornis 16:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• You have to be commended for reading the rules before starting the writing. Too many people don't do it. Has anyone not directly related to the gallery ever written about it? Has someone famous ever had an exhibition there? Those would be the most important questions to answer to determine if the place is noteworthy. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

One Rincon Hill

On the page for One Rincon Hill (in San Francisco) please change the architect name in left side bar to Solomon Cordwell Buenz. (not Solomon Cordwell Buenz & Associates).

Thank you, Stacy Connelly Marketing Manager Solomon Cordwell Buenz—Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.98.144.91 (talk) 16:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've copied your suggestion into Talk:One Rincon Hill. Next time, should you have any questions regarding an article on Wikipedia, you may address your comments at the discussion page of that article. :) PeaceNT 17:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Deleting Account or Changing Username

I recently created a new account, and I made a mistake creating my username. I want to make an amendment to my username. How can I delete my account, with the intention of setting up a new one? Or, how can I amend or change my username? Thanks, Convex-one 16:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC).

You can't. Just sign up for a new account with the username you want. Friday (talk) 16:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:Or you might file a request at Wikipedia:Changing usernames. :) PeaceNT 16:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a really, really silly thing to do with a new account. Why make work for someone else? Friday (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I freely admit I didn't look at their contributions, scratched that. Your suggestion is right on the nose. :) PeaceNT 16:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

"Lava lamp" listing

Good morning I read the Wikipedia listing under 'Lava lamp' this morning. I have found several errors/omissions I would request are corrected. Lava(r) is a brand of motion lamp. It is not simply a type of lamp. All non-Lava brand lamps that are similar in features are considered simply motion lamps. The blue and gold lamp pictured in the article is a non-Lava brand lamp.

There is also mention of our production in China and many product recalls. "Lava Lamps are currently made in main land China and several shipments have had to be held back for quality control reasons." The production in China is true, however several shipments being held back for quality reasons is slanderous and untrue.

We request that all the above listed erroneous information is corrected and/or removed from the listing immediately.

Any questions, please contact me directly. Thank you,

Joe Kostelc, CFA Controller Lava World International, Inc. A division of Haggerty Enterprises, Inc.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.176.47.158 (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC) 

I actually had the same conversation a while back; see here. Basically, the point is that 'lava lamp' is so much more common usage than 'motion lamp' that 'lava lamp' has become the name of the thing, not only of Lava brand lamps but of the various other lamps that are based off of the same concept. It has essentially been diluted, much like the trademark 'dumpster'. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 17:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I have added a {{fact}} tag to that unsourced statement, but everything else seems to be fine. - Rjd0060 17:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

The proper term for this is a genericized trademark. The article could make an effort to clarify that point, but you can't really fault people for not recognizing the generic nature of the trademark. Leebo ^T/C 17:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Higher Education

Dear Wikipedia, I have created an account and am ready and interestd in creating a Wikipedia page for our institution. How do get started?Madisonmedia 17:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC).

I would first recommend reading Help:Starting a new page. - Rjd0060 17:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to Wikipedia. You could start by browsing some of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. The most important ones are neutral point of view and attribution. With regard to NPOV, you need to be particularly wary of it when you are writing about your own institution. Such a situation represents a conflict of interest between your wish to display your institution in a particular way and Wikipedia's goal of being a neutral encyclopedia. You need to be very careful not to add bias to a subject you are close to. Technical information related to starting a new page can be found at Help:Starting a new page. Leebo ^T/C 18:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

how do you create a new page(where is the link?)

Ok, so I went onto the FAQ and saw that my question, "how to create a new page", is very common. So I clicked on it and it diverted me to an article about your first page, and although it gave loads of good advice about writing your new page and not just copying directly from other sites etc. Nowhere in this article did it actually tell you how to do it in the context that I am refering, so I feel I should clarify.

I dont want tips on how to write a good article, or the rules about your sources of information. I want to know where the link is to begin writing a new article. There should be a link in your user page, so that is is easy to navigate. I've spent a very frustrating 1/4 of an hour trying to find a link to begin writing an article, and had no joy.

I am sure it's somewhere really obvious, but could someone let me know.

Thanks

--Gerardmcmanus 19:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• You may start a new article by typing the title into the search box (top left of this, and any, page). Follow the instructions that will then appear. Bessel Dekker 20:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Starting a new page. Alternatively, you can use the search function. Leebo ^T/C 20:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Type the name of the article in the search bar to verify that it does not exist. If it doesn't exist, you will get a window saying

"No page with that title exists.

You can create this page or request it. "

Click create this page. However, I am concerned about your comment about not wanting the tips or rules. I assure you, if you create an inappropriate article, it will be speedily deleted. - Rjd0060 20:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think he means that he has no intention of following policy, he's saying he's read most of the tips for creating new articles and just wanted info on the technical aspect. Leebo ^T/C 20:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, since we don't know, that serves as a "semi-warning". - Rjd0060 20:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Well just so you do know, I will follow the rules, and am grateful for the help, thanks guys! --Gerardmcmanus 20:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Two books with the same title

Yesterday I noticed that there are two novels with the same title, 1985 . One by Burgess and the other by Dalos as one can see. I wanted to start a seperate article for the book by dalos but I'm not sure how to create a new article when the title of the book is the same. I've read through the tutorials, searched the help desk, etc. Any help would be mucho appreciated. Woland37 20:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe that instead of just (novel), the two should be disambiguated into (Author novel), for each. Leebo ^T/C 20:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

That is correct. The current one should be moved to adhere to that format. - Rjd0060 20:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I've created the new page. Woland37, create your page at 1985 (György Dalos novel). I've also fixed the dab page. - Rjd0060 20:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Awesomes. Thanks. Woland37 20:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirection

What are the heiruistic rules that wikipedia uses for determining the entry that is displayed when a term that has multiple entries (i.e. a term that results in a link for "ABC (disambiguation)")? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.178.215.230 (talk) 20:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Disambiguation.↔NMajdan•talk 20:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

when a man likes a women

if a man wants to win a women over what does he need to do —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.2.178 (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

This is not the place for personal life. Smartyllama 21:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This page is for help with Wikipedia. If you're serious, consult a friend or something. Leebo ^T/C 21:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

He could be Tom Brady. If that's not an option, he could wait for Moore's law to cycle enough times to push Gynoids over Uncanny valley (they are so not there yet). However, the real question is what to do When a Man Loves a Woman (song). --Teratornis 22:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Flagging an article?

Hello, how does a user go about flagging an article for moderation? FACT50 22:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, moderation as in a dispute? You may want to try WP:MedCab or WP:RFC. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 22:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Or moderation, like to moderate who can edit a page; page protection? - Rjd0060 22:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not a dispute I have with anyone, just the fictional back story section of a bands article that I (and a few other users) feel is unneeded. However past attempts from various users trying to delete said section have just been undone by the people that update the article. FACT50 22:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

What is the page? -Rjd0060 22:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

scince

whodoes this professionhelp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.236.108.103 (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If you have a specific question about science, try the Science reference desk. This page is for questions about using Wikipedia only. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 23:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

One major application of science is healthcare; so it helps everybody. --h2g2bob (talk) 00:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Another major application of science is the computer which the questioner used to ask the question, and which we use to reply to the question. Presumably the questioner finds computing helpful enough to justify spending some money to obtain this help. In fact, the questioner probably spends most of his or her time in a largely artificial environment, surrounded by hundreds if not thousands of artifacts, all of which either resulted from centuries of painstaking application of the principles of critical thinking and the scientific method, or were shipped and distributed more efficiently thereby. Even simple hand-worked artifacts come from people who probably would not be alive today if modern technology were not sustaining an unnaturally high population of humans. One could argue that what we really value is technology rather than science, and while it is true you can have technology without science, none of the pre-scientific technologies were as good as the technology we have today. See, for example, stone tool. Science improves technology by augmenting pure empiricism with the guidance of sound theory. Science helps inventors invent without having to rely solely on trial and error, although trial and error continues to play a major part in invention. For example, science assures inventors that it is pointless to keep trying to build perpetual motion machines. Inventors who heed science will generally invent more and better things than inventors who ignore science. --Teratornis 12:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I might add that science has substantial entertainment value in addition to its practical value. For example, the science of astronomy has relatively few applications, in the sense that hardly anything farther away than geostationary orbit provides us with much of a basis for engineering here on Earth (although Near-Earth asteroids are certainly worth keeping an eye on, solar flares and other solar activity can affect us, and stars have been useful for Celestial navigation). Despite the lack of much in the way of practical application, astronomy has provided great entertainment for intellectually curious people since ancient times, and many children who took an interest in it went on to do useful work in science and engineering. --Teratornis 18:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

projet

my name is nazrul islam iam in 7 grade i cannot find this answer plase can you halp me thank you 1 wnat the personin this professiondos on a daily basis veterinary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.236.108.103 (talk) 23:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

See Veterinarian. Rockpocket 23:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nazrul, it's nice to have you here. Rockpocket is right, veterinarian may be helpful. Also, if you have a specific question about something, you can ask at the Reference Desk. Hope this helps! Love, Neranei (talk) 23:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

projet

my name is islam i need halp tido my projet who does this profession help in veterinary thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.236.108.103 (talk) 23:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC) but i cant not find any answer halpme

Well, we've just about helped you all we can as Wikipedia does not do your homework for you. If you have a question about veterinarians, then ask at the Science reference desk or check out the Veterinarian article. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 23:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

veterinary

my name is babu i need help todo my projet halp me

how mucha person in this profession makeveterinary 
   thankyou  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.236.108.103 (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC) 

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not your assistant. - Rjd0060 23:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

This link from the U.S. Bureau of Labour Statistics should help you. Next time, please be more specific with your question so we know what you are looking for! Thanks, and make sure to ask questions like this at the reference desk. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 23:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

math

my name is tarun i need halp to do my math can you halp me 
 

  7+k
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    4=9  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.236.108.103 (talk) 23:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC) 

Instead of pretending to be a different person for each question, why don't you just make a single topic for help? Also, Wikipedia does not provide homework help. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 23:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

You should ask questions like this at the Reference Desk, and we are really not here to do your homework, but as I'm here, the first thing to do is combine the 7-4. This results in 3+k=9. As I presume you're finding K, you need to subtract 3 from 9, giving K to be 6. Love, Neranei (talk) 23:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually I think it is k over 4, which would mean that you would have to subtract 7, then multiply both sides by 4 to eliminate the fraction, giving the correct answer. Or it could just be bad formatting of 7-4. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 23:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

C'mon. This guy isn't serious. He has asked several questions saying he is somebody else (using a different name) but the IP shows it is the same user. - Rjd0060 23:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC)