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August 4

Playing ogg files

I have associated ogg files with Windows Media Player, but when I click the play button (either in an article or on the file page), it tries to play it in QuickTime. And it says I need to install XiphQT. I have installed XiphQT (and rebooted), but I still get that message. It seems what I have to do to get WMP is go to file page and click on the the file link.

• Is there a known solution to my XiphQT problem.
• Is there a way to associate play buttons with WMP? I don't see anything in preferences.

I use IE6 on WinXP Pro. —teb728 t c 06:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

genderfication definition

Are you truly a real world site? Why is genderfication not in the internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.210.157.54 (talk) 07:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what's your question? — QuantumEleven 07:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

"Genderifcation" may not be on this site, as we are an encyclopedia, however, you may find the definition on our sister dictionary site, Wiktionary. In fact, this page should be the page you need. TNXMan 11:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

to know who is suffering from HCV in India

would like to know about patients suffering from HCV in India —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.94.115.157 (talk) 07:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

What precisely would you like to know? I recommend going to ask at the Science reference desk, you will probably get a better answer there. — QuantumEleven 07:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Mission statements

Resolved

Is there a set guideline or proven precedent for the inclusion of mission statements from organizations or businesses? For the sake of transparency, I am discussing use of a mission statement in an RfC (Talk:Sea Shepherd Conservation Society#Mission statement#Mission Statement). I would like to see if there is a guideline already in place that we overlooked.Cptnono (talk) 08:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no specific guideline about that as far as I know. You can ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Organizations if you'd like to ask someone familiar with the subject area. Anyway, my personal opinion is that there would be no problem in including it as long as it doesn't make the article spammy and there is no violation of neutral point of view and verifiability. The way you present it will determine how it will look like to the reader and how valuable it will be to the article. I mean, there is a difference between saying Microsoft's original mission was "a computer on every desk and in every home, running Microsoft software" and Microsoft is going to get people to use computers running Microsoft software in every home. ≈ Chamal ^talk 09:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Fiddlesticks. I am assuming there isn't a guideline to refer to then. My view in this case is that it could raise POV/promotional concerns but I will let that play out in the RfC or check out the project page to see if I am off. Thanks for the input, Chamal N. Cptnono (talk) 13:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The nearest guideline I can think of after reading Talk:Sea Shepherd Conservation Society#Mission statement might be WP:OWN. That is, it looks like some editors may have "ownership issues" with this article. But in itself that wouldn't translate into anything obvious about a mission statement. The quoted statement looks to be short enough not to be a copyright violation, so that wouldn't apply. See also WP:EIW#Dispute. --Teratornis (talk) 06:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Great Ziggurat of Ur

Somebody has changed the page's name from "Great Ziggurat of Ur" to "Ziggurat of Ur" before a discussion about such a move has taken place. A proper debate and a concensus must be attained first. Izzedine (talk) 09:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The help desk is not the place to resolve disputes. There is an ongoing discussion at the article talk page, so please discuss the matter there. There's been a page move war, and the article is now move protected. You might also be interested in Wikipedia naming conventions. ≈ Chamal ^talk 09:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

He's raised this earlier at Wikipedia:Content noticeboard. A bit of forum shopping it seems, and the number of editors disagreeing with him continues to increase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC) I have restored this comment, which was removed by Izzedine without explanation. ≈ Chamal ^talk 10:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I raised it where I thought it should be raised, not forumshopping. It is not a question of disagreeing with me, I am upholding wikipolicy, so what you are disagreeing with are the guidelines, and just because a few cronys on here have opposed me, don't think that gives you legitimacy. (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

This is not a dispute, please read what I have described, the page must be returned to the original name until debate has matured on the issue. The page must be unprotected and restored to the original regardless if it makes some unhappy, because that is wikipolicy. (talk) 10:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC

Same answer as before, Izzedine. There is clearly a dispute about the naming of the article, so please discuss at the article talk page. Please don't try to bypass that and achieve what you want in any other way, since it's not going to happen and will only result in you getting into trouble. ≈ Chamal ^talk 10:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There are two issues here, the first is the ultimate naming of the article, which is subject to discussion and proper debate before any action is applied, the second issue is the naming of the article from the present time until the time when debate has matured, which should be the original article name and not the new name that is being proposed. Do you understand my point better now? please be independant and employ critical thinking here. (talk) 11:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but as I have said before, the Help Desk cannot help you with this. This is not the place to settle your disputes about anything, so do not expect a judgement for this case here. What I have suggested is the appropriate first step to take per WP:DR and that's the best we can do here. Did you read Wikipedia:Help desk/Are you in the right place or at least the banner at the top of this page? If you did, you will understand why we can't assist in this matter in the way you expect us to. ≈ Chamal ^talk 12:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

In looking briefly at the article talk page, it appears that 4 or 5 other editors support the current name per: Wikipedia:Naming conventions. If you feel that all of them are in error, and you alone are correct, then perhaps WP:RFC would be the venue you should be looking toward. I would suggest however, that referring to your fellow editors as "cronys" is not likely to persuade people in a positive manner. If 4 or 5 people say one thing, and you alone disagree - perhaps it's time to rethink the situation — Ched :  ?  12:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

How to move a page

I am another newcomer to Wiki and am struggling with the jargon trying to create a new page Riduna(novel). I have followed a recent question about how to make it live by citing the ISBN number but I believe i should move it to the novels section and do not know how to go about it, or to make it live.Can you help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diana Mary Jackson (talk • contribs) 11:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello. First the technical issue. There is no novels section. Rather all articles are in the main namespace so if it was moved, it would be moved to Riduna (novel) (note the space between the name and the parenthetical disambiguator, which you left out). To do so you would go to the "Move" tab at the links at the very top of the page. However you will not be able to do so yet, and I think you cannot even see that link yet, because your account is not yet autoconfirmed, meaning four days old and having made at least ten edits. That's the technicalities of moving it, and I'd just do it for you, but the page should not be published in the mainspace. You have cited no independent sources verifying the proposed article's content, have not written in an encyclopedic style, but as one seeking to promote the book, and you have a very clear conflict of interest in writing this blurb on your book. Have you looked at Wikipedia:Notability (books)? Your novel, as a recent debut, does not appear to meet it, and if it does, you have added nothing to the proposed text which would substantiate that. All this may sound harsh, but Wikipedia is not a platform for self-interested people's promoting their own works.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You may want to read through the page: Your first article, it can give you some valuable information on how to create and article, and what can be expected. In looking at your effort on your home page, I complement you on your layout, use of section heading, and wikilinks. I think that the big thing you'll need to focus on now will be establishing the notability of the novel. Once you've found some reliable sources that verify the notability, I (or any of the many helpful folks here) would be more than happy to assist in showing you how to cite those sources in the article. It may be that this particular book won't be able to meet those guidelines yet. You can read through Wikipedia:Notability (books) for a more specific criteria on how to determine that. It looks like you're off to a great start, and please don't get discouraged if your first attempts don't always go as smoothly as you hoped. Welcome to the family, and happy editing. Cheers. ;) — Ched :  ?  12:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Job Activities of Senior Field Officer(TELE) in Indian Cabinet Secratariat

Job Activities of Senior Field Officer(TELE) in Indian Cabinet Secratariat?

12:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)12:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Raviteja4nadi (talk) 12:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Ravi Teja

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

NHS Blood ad Transplant wiki page

Hi,

I recently added information to the NHS Blood and Transplant wikipedia page regarding their new website called the Wall of Life. This has been removed twice without an explanation - please can you advise?

Thanks.

12:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.171.236.62 (talk)

It was Smartse (talk · contribs) who had reverted your edits, and he has warned you about them. Apparently, your edits were reverted because they appeared to be promotional in nature (see WP:SPAM and WP:SOAP). You can ask for further details from Smartse at his talk page if you like. ≈ Chamal ^talk

I reverted your edits because your IP address is owned by a PR company that on its website lists the NHS as a client. I assumed that you may be being paid to edit the article and so reverted your edits. It still sounds like news to me but if someone else can take a look at it and decide I would be greatful. Thanks Smartse (talk) 17:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it is worthy of inclusion in the article but only when it is reported by a national/international newspaper website - which at the moment it is not. However, I see that it is currently in the article anyway. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 18:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

[Technical] – How can I improve Google PageRank for articles with title in English, but with original title in a foreign language?

Resolved

 – See cross-post at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical).  – ukexpat (talk) 15:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Consider the article Institute for Federal Real Estate (Germany). If I google "Institute for Federal Real Estate" I get a PageRank of 1, but if I google the proper name "Bundesanstalt für Immobilienaufgaben", I get a PageRank of ≈120. I'm guessing this is caused by Google giving high priority to an article with the same title. Is it possible to somehow put a larger emphasis on the foreign translation?

Any input would be appreciated, and if informative, may be put into an wiki-essay on the subject. --Marcus 13:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Already answered in your cross-post at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). I'll repeat my comment: why does this matter? We are building an encyclopedia, not engaging in a Google page-ranking contest. – ukexpat (talk) 15:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Global Employment and Literacy Coalition (GEALC) and North-American Organisation for Migration

I would like to have the contants for this organization and also like to know if it is real or just a fraud.

Does it work hand in hand with UN

Thanks

Everlyne —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.79.168 (talk) 13:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our roughly three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. TNXMan 13:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Citation Needed Tag

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 16:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I was just wondering how you put a "Citation Needed" onto a page. Thanks, --Plane Person (talk) 15:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC).

Copy {{Citation needed|date=August 2009}} to the appropriate place--SPhilbrickT 15:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

{{fact}} works too and a bot will come along and clean it up. – ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, --Plane Person (talk) 15:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC).

Domaining is not squatting.

Re: The difference between squatting and domaining.

Whatever the subjective opinions of your editors, I would expect better from any source of information that expects to be taken seriously.

I am sure you could care less about this one reader (or the ones who believe as I do, but won't contact you), but goodbye Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.14.189 (talk) 17:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you give us the difference? The only way we can improve is if everyone pitches in to make the encyclopedia better. TNXMan 17:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you mean "could not care less", but you would be wrong. We care about everyone who has a positive contribution to make. Cite some sources for your contention and we can look at it. – ukexpat (talk) 17:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe this relates to the "domaining"/"cybersquatting" fuss, as chronicled from one side's POV here. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, ok then. The original post makes marginally more sense now. TNXMan 18:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I notice that the article OrangeMike linked includes a copy of the logo, which is., per WP:C “not freely usable without permission”. What do you think are the chances they obtained permission?

Where should this be reported? I know WP:SCV exists, but I assume they concentrate on possible violations by WP, not the violation of the logo. Should it go to Godwin?--SPhilbrickT 21:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like fair use to me. The equivalent wouldn't be allowed here, but that is just because NFCC is stricter than fair use law. —teb728 t c 22:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Goodbye. It is unfortunate to lose your contributions even though your post above is the only one. —teb728 t c 05:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Uploading Images

I know that a Image has to be taken by the author, well I have taken a Image and i want to upload it to my article.

How do I do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Techkid100 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Since your account is autoconfirmed, go to this page and follow the directions. TNXMan 17:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, please upload it to Commons so that it is available for use on all Wikipedia projects. The Commons upload page is here. – ukexpat (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

TOC showing only sections

Hi all, I want to create a TOC that shows only sections, and no sub-sections at all. I've tried TOCLimit, but it doesn't seem to be useful, as Toclimit|1 is the minimum value... I also dont want to hide sections one by one as unsuspecting editors could break it in the future. Thanks poisonborz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC).

{{TOClimit|2}} doesn't do what you want it to? Here the TOC displays only ==Level 2== headings (and hides all the Level 3,4 headings). -59.95.97.251 (talk) 18:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, limit|2 works, it seems like I misinterpreted the instructions.poisonborz (talk) 18:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Lost Password

I changed my password about a month ago and haven't logged in since. For the life of me I can't remember what I changed it to. And when I tried to e-mail myself the password, I apparently never entered an e-mail account. How can I go about getting my account back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.114.151.70 (talk) 18:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You can't. You'll have to create a new account. Algebraist 18:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See Help:Logging in#What if I forget the password?. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Guess I'll just keep trying... I really don't want to lose my 7 year old account :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.114.151.70 (talk) 18:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok for the sake of argument, let's say my account was compromised. According to the password screen: "If your account is compromised, it may be permanently blocked unless you can prove you are its rightful owner. "

How does one go about doing that? Can I mail my ID to someone for verification? It should be pretty simple since the account name is my name... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.114.151.70 (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not that simple: usually whoever compromises your account will pretend to be you - and many will believe them. Usually the most common way of preventing compromisation is adding a cryptographic hash (otherwise known as a committed identity to your userpage. Then if someone compromises your account, you can come in, provide the key, and prove that you are the original account owner. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 19:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

What about pulling the IP I posted from, verifying that the account I'm claiming has edited from that IP recently, having the ISP verify the Physical Address that the IP's tied to it and then verifying I own the property (or live) at that address with government ID? I'd think that chain of proof would be very difficult to fake... 65.114.151.70 (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

If you think you can convince the server operators that this is an amount of work they should put in every time someone forgets a password, you're welcome to try. Algebraist 20:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, meta:Privacy policy#Discussions does actually say:

"Users whose accounts do not have a valid email address will not be able to reset their password if it is lost. In such a situation, however, users may be able to contact one of the Wikimedia server administrators to enter a new e-mail address."

I don't know whether this happens in practice. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I think if the account name is your real name, you may be able to as you suggested e-mail a copy of your ID to the developers and have them update your e-mail address. Dcoetzee 03:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

phased array radars

is TPS-77 an active phased array radar. if yes then why it carries out mechanical scanning in azimuth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherry908 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about AN/FPS-117. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. TNXMan 19:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Exporting my article to the French Wikipedia

Hi. I've been trying to export Robert Seymour (illustrator) - which I have re-written in French - directly onto the French Wikipedia. Unfortunately, using [cut and paste] the text does not appear correctly. Can anyone tell me how to do this correctly? Regards Steve. Stephen2nd (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

What have you re-written it in? Have you made it in Wiki format on a sandbox type page or have you got it in word or something? TastyCakes (talk) 19:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi & thanks for your quick reply.

I went into [edit this page] on the Seymour article. Cut and pasted the text into my sandbox. Then Google translated it into french, then cut it, went into the French Wikipedia, into Pickwick Papers. I went into the PP [edit this page] and pasted it. It did not work?

Couple of points: please do not rely on Google translate to produce reliable or quality translations without reviewing the translation with an appropriate level of fluency in the target language. Also the history page of the French Pickwick Papers article does not show any edits by you. In any event that was not the appropriate place to put the text. You should have created a new article for Seymour, in accordance with French Wikipedia's naming conventions. – ukexpat (talk) 20:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I pasted the text into the French article - then [Show preview] - which did not come out as expected. So I did'nt [Save page]. I had also previously sent a message to a french user, then [save page] which also did'nt come out as expected. If I create a new Article, and do the exact same procedure - will this method work? Regards Stephen2nd (talk) 20:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You will have to ask for help at the French Wikipedia help desk. – ukexpat (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking at some of your contribuitions on French Wikipedia, I see that you sometimes indent your lines with a space. Unless you actually want the effect you are getting, lines should begin with no space. If you want to indent, use a colon :

The same thing happens on English Wikipedia.

—teb728 t c 20:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You might find something useful under WP:EIW#Translate. --Teratornis (talk) 06:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

where is the city of Chad?

where is the city of Chad? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.187.8 (talk) 19:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The country of Chad is in Africa. If you referring to another usage of the word, check out this page. TNXMan 19:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Language reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. • S • C • A • R • C • E • 02:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

How do I embed an image from a foreign language Wikipedia?

I want to use File:Hung Titoli.JPG for the Hung article but I found it on the Italian chapter of Wikipedia and I don't know how to embed it on this one.----Occono (talk) 20:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It cannot be done. Only images on En Wikipedia or on Commons can be used in En Wikipedia articles. If the image meets the En Wikipedia non-free content criteria it could be uploaded here and used accordingly. – ukexpat (talk) 20:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, huh, that's surprising. So if it meets the guidelines I should just download it from there and upload it here?----Occono (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Preferably Commons, but they have pretty strict guidelines over there. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 20:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

See the links under WP:EIW#MoveToCommons. The license on it:File:Hung Titoli.JPG does not appear to be suitable for Commons, which only accepts free content. See Commons:Commons:Screenshots which is about screenshots of software, but I am sure an image capture from an HBO show is not free content. See File:FestivalChannelguide0188.jpg for an example of HBO copyrighted content that someone uploaded to Wikipedia under a fair use rationale. You could probably upload a copy of it:File:Hung Titoli.JPG to the English Wikipedia and claim a similar fair use rationale. If this seems awkward, it is not Wikipedia's fault, but the result of copyright law which we have to follow. Wikimedia Commons is explicitly a repository of free content. You might try writing to HBO and asking them if they will release a screen capture from their program under a free license. If they agree, you can follow the procedure in Commons:COM:OTRS and then upload the freely-licensed image to Commons. --Teratornis (talk) 06:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to let someone else do it. This sounds too complicated. I've only uploaded one image before (See my userpage for it.)----Occono (talk) 19:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

In short, images that are fair use can be uploaded to English Wikipedia, but they will be deleted if you put them on commons. TastyCakes (talk) 19:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Old User account

I set up a user account about 2 years ago, but I rarely used it. I recently tried to login back in, but when I tried to recover my password I was given an error message that there was no email address assoc. with the account (weird, but whatever). So I went ahead and created a new account. Is there anyway to merge the old with the new, or just delete the old account? Thanks --Archmut (talk) 20:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Redirect is not Correct

I can't find the info in how to redirect a page it seems that our company's article listing has been changed our official name is SAE International (formerly called the Society of Automotive Engineers). Someone as redirected SAE International to a page entitled Society of Automotive Engineers. It should the other way around Society of Automotive Engineers should be redirected to SAE International. SAE International should be the title of the listing. I can't figure out how to correct that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mestok (talk • contribs) 21:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Help:Redirect explains how redirect pages work. To switch an article with a redirect page, you need an administrator to delete the redirect page, then you can move the article from Society of Automotive Engineers to SAE International, which will leave a redirect behind at the old name. The wrong way is to do a cut and paste move but we aren't supposed to do that. See WP:EIW#Moving for lots of links about moving pages. It looks like you can request assistance at Wikipedia:Requested moves. --Teratornis (talk) 03:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Table sorting glitch

On the page List of minimum wages by country, trying to sort the table by gross annual wage, or % of GDP causes a glitch. It sorts the numbers as if they were letters, so they would be sorted like

1 12 18,045 2 23 25,600

instead of sorted in actual numerical order. It seems the problem has been pointed out on the talk page years ago, but no one has done anything about it. I am not yet adept at editing tables, and was hoping someone with experience with these would help out. Thanks Conical Johnson (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the use of {{sort}} would fix this problem. Dendodge _T\^C 21:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I know how to fix this. It's really hackish though. Algebraist 23:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

??? Sorting works in edit preview, but not normal. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 23:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I started to look at the sort issue, but got distracted by an external link in the opening section. Is this OK, or should something be done?

Very ugly url

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2008&ey=2008&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=55&pr1.y=8&c=512%2C941%2C914%2C446%2C612%2C666%2C614%2C668%2C311%2C672%2C213%2C946%2C911%2C137%2C193%2C962%2C122%2C674%2C912%2C676%2C313%2C548%2C419%2C556%2C513%2C678%2C316%2C181%2C913%2C682%2C124%2C684%2C339%2C273%2C638%2C921%2C514%2C948%2C218%2C943%2C963%2C686%2C616%2C688%2C223%2C518%2C516%2C728%2C918%2C558%2C748%2C138%2C618%2C196%2C522%2C278%2C622%2C692%2C156%2C694%2C624%2C142%2C626%2C449%2C628%2C564%2C228%2C283%2C924%2C853%2C233%2C288%2C632%2C293%2C636%2C566%2C634%2C964%2C238%2C182%2C662%2C453%2C960%2C968%2C423%2C922%2C935%2C714%2C128%2C862%2C611%2C716%2C321%2C456%2C243%2C722%2C248%2C942%2C469%2C718%2C253%2C724%2C642%2C576%2C643%2C936%2C939%2C961%2C644%2C813%2C819%2C199%2C172%2C184%2C132%2C524%2C646%2C361%2C648%2C362%2C915%2C364%2C134%2C732%2C652%2C366%2C174%2C734%2C328%2C144%2C258%2C146%2C656%2C463%2C654%2C528%2C336%2C923%2C263%2C738%2C268%2C578%2C532%2C537%2C944%2C742%2C176%2C866%2C534%2C369%2C536%2C744%2C429%2C186%2C433%2C925%2C178%2C746%2C436%2C926%2C136%2C466%2C343%2C112%2C158%2C111%2C439%2C298%2C916%2C927%2C664%2C846%2C826%2C299%2C542%2C582%2C443%2C474%2C917%2C754%2C544%2C698&s=PPPEX&grp=0&a= this list]

--SPhilbrickT 00:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like someone fixed the sorting. I have shortened the URL a bit, but it's necessary to be that long apparently because otherwise the website will bring you to its homepage. Gary King (talk) 00:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Publishing date

When was Color Me Beautiful first published? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.72.7 (talk) 23:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Algebraist 23:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)