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April 22

Who can help to move the image to Wikimedia Commons?

File:Mexican Federal Highway 40.png, Thanks a lot. 千里走单骑 (talk) 03:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

See WP:MTC for more information on the process. Tiggerjay (talk) 03:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done File:Mexican_Federal_Highway_40.png - Mlpearc (powwow)

Thank you very much. 千里走单骑 (talk) 05:00, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

nine month old girl selling pot --- see Henriett Seth F. -- autisitic savant --- someone is messing with you

check out -- Henriett Seth F. -- autisitc savant -- someone is messing with you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.141.38 (talk) 05:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

This is the Wikipedia:Help desk. While the Wikipedia 'Henriett Seth F.' page does have much room for improvement (desperately needs skilled style/format editing), the farce referred to above seems to regard the Wikia 'Henriett Seth F.', Autism Wiki page instead. --Kevjonesin (talk) 06:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Ext. link with troublesome character

I'm trying to link a reference in Beau Brummel (1924 film), but it looks like it's getting confused by the "|" character. Is there a solution? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Fixed Replace the vertical bar with {{!}} as I have done here --Ushau97 (talk) 09:39, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I knew that worked for formatting, but didn't know it did for linking too. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Israel and the apartheid analogy 's page

Hello, Reading this page made me wonder: obviously this page had been edited many times before.. So why keeping it? Wikipedia is a source of information professional and formal information, and there nothing prof. and formal in this page it's simply confusing! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.108.247.141 (talk) 07:49, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Comments to articles must be made on their associated talk pages, not the help desk. If you want to nominate a page for deletion, take it to WP:AFD. See WP:BEFORE before nominating, and see WP:AFDHOW on how to nominate a page for deletion --Ushau97 (talk) 09:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

What can I do about an article that seems more like an advertisement for a company than a valid article?

I've come across Diamond Pet Foods. It contains some very glowing language about the company, such as "...focused on providing the best nutrition for every pet, whether it was an expensive show animal or a child's free puppy or kitten." Sounds like marketing bullshit to me. I also wonder what makes a pet food company notable enough to deserve an article anyway. Where do I go with such concerns? HiLo48 (talk) 08:17, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Aside from some product recalls, it hasn't received any real media notice, which makes it a prime target for WP:Afd or WP:PROD. I'd go for the former myself, citing WP:NBUSINESS as justification. Afd is easy if you've got Twinkle or something similar installed, a pain in the neck to do manually. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

If you want to nominate it for Wiki-oblivion, I'd be happy to Afd it on your behalf. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, yes, it does seem the right path here. It's been around for a long time. It will be interesting to see the arguments in its defence. HiLo48 (talk) 11:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thar she be: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 April 22#Diamond Pet Foods. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:58, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks HiLo48 (talk) 08:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Admission details

Ramakrishna Mission Institute of Calcutta spoken English learning because I'm trying to be admitted. Please tell me the admission date and details — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.241.253.114 (talk) 10:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Keri (talk) 10:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

HELP!

I had uploaded an article for review that got deleted. It took me a lot of hard work to get the information of the subject together and the backup file is corrupted. Please help. Can I get my text back at least? PLEASE!

01:27, 18 April 2013 DGG (talk | contribs) deleted page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/bKash (G8: Talk page of a deleted page) 01:26, 18 April 2013 DGG (talk | contribs) deleted page Wikipedia:Articles for creation/bKash (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: G6: AFC submission duplicated acroos both WIkipedia: and Wikipedia talk: and it should only be in Wikipedia talk: namespace)

Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BKashmarketing (talk • contribs) 10:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

There is anopther problem with the article also, most of it is copied word for word or with minor changes from http://www.bkash.com/about/company-profile and its subpages. GB fan 10:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

You have a strong conflict of interest and the article reads like advertising. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. If you enable email at Special:Preferences then I can mail you a copy of the deleted text but it shouldn't be recreated with that content. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:15, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Title of my article iON Manufacturing Solution

Currently the title of my article is ION Manufacturing Solution. However I need i in iON small letter because it is brand name. Please do the needful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chirantan Ghosh (talk • contribs) 11:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The first letter of page names is automatically capitalized. I have added {{lowercase title}} which writes it lower case on the article page itself. In many other places like searches and categories it will always be capitalized. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:20, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

User:Chirantan Ghosh/sandbox is still a user space draft. If it is moved to mainspace, the appropriate coding explained by m'learned friend PrimeHunter can be added. At the moment, IMHO, the draft is far too promotional in tone to be moved to mainspace. Oops see below, was deleted from mainspace for this very reason--ukexpat (talk) 13:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Issues in Article

Hi, I am getting these errors

• This article appears to be written like an advertisement
• This article uses bare URLs for citations. (April 2013)

Please let me know how can I proceed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chirantan Ghosh (talk • contribs) 11:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

(Note: article is most likely ION_Manufacturing_Solution). CaptRik (talk) 11:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Please carefully read Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. The article has a large amount of content that reads like an advert for the company's services rather than factual encyclopaedic content. Note that YouTube videos are not normally allowed as references either. Once you think the article is in a suitable state, you can remove the tags yourself indicating errors from the top of the article. Please note though, you may well have to remove quite a lot of the current article content first to meet the criteria needed. Please also pay attention to the notability criteria in that FAQ. If you can provide more third-party references that would help a lot. CaptRik (talk) 11:57, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

As well as reading like an advertisement, and failing to establish the company's notability, your article does not make it clear what the company makes or supplies. It starts "iON Manufacturing Solution is an integrated manufacturing ERP on Cloud", and continues like that, with a series of marketing buzzwords. A Wikipedia article should provide useful information about its subject. Maproom (talk) 13:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

And speaking of marketing buzzwords, please read WP:SOLUTION! --Orange Mike | Talk 18:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Otto Basler

I just wanted to tell you that your entry on the German philogist Otto Basler is not correct. Especially it's not true that he taught in Freiburg from 1952 on. Instead he taught at Munich University until 1959 and he became a honorary professor in freiburg after his retirement in Munich Best J. Moser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.104.179.163 (talk) 12:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable, independent source that says that? If so, it can be added to the article. Rojomoke (talk) 13:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

File not displaying

I'm missing something simple, but need someone's help to point it out. This image File:Reputation Advocate logo.png is identified as an orphan, yet I added it to Reputation Advocate (company). It isn't displaying in that article, but I do not know why.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:05, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

It was just a typo. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:08, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

...that's only fixed the "orphan" problem. I don't know why the servers can't resize the PNG though. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Heh, I considered that I had a typo in the name, and checked carefully and copy and pasted, so when I saw your response, my first thought was, did I really mess it up? But I see the problem, and glad I asked. Thank-you.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Strange citation error - still there

Resolved

I already asked this at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 April 13#Strange citation error, but I still don't really know how to fix this. The problem is with the citation named HDEI. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Simply changing editor[1]-last to editor1-last also doesn't fix the problem. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

There are two problems: |editor[1]-last= should be |editor1-last=, |editor[1]-first= should be |editor1-first=, |editor[2]-last= should be |editor2-last=, etc.

|editor-last= and |editor1-last= are synonyms of each other. You need to renumber all of the editors as either editor-, editor2-, ... or as editor1-, editor2-, ...

Make sense?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:27, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I followed your advice and this change fixed it. I also see that this is what the documentation of {{Cite book}} says. Thank you. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Someone had updated the examples to show editor[n]-last, where [n] should have been replaced by a number. I fixed the documentation a few days ago after this popped up. --  Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Remove Deletion Tag

Danny Brown- producer-engineer-musician (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have included two references in my REFERENCES SECTION. I need to know how to remove the Deletion tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbbubba01 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I see no valid references there. Please read citing sources for what counts as a valid citation. Maproom (talk) 13:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

photo? Jack Whicher or William Saville-Kent

The photo appears the same... Jack Whicher or William Saville-Kent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.60.130.219 (talk) 00:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI Questions left at the biography project, if they get answered at all, tend to languish there for days or weeks. Thus, I have moved this here as it seems to me that it is something we should clear up as quickly as possible. If there is a message board that would be even better than this one please feel free to move this thread there. Thanks for you time in looking into this. MarnetteD | Talk 14:05, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Jack Whicher 1858.jpg comes from the Daily Fail Mail, so that probably weighs against it being accurate.--ukexpat (talk) 14:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'd trust the National Library of Australia, especially since the image bears Saville-Kent's signature. Deor (talk) 15:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Note: I've gone ahead and nominated File:Jack Whicher 1858.jpg for deletion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2013 April 22. Deor (talk) 15:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that. The rules about pics are beyond me so I really appreciate your getting the process in motion. Also Daily Fail is a good chuckle to get my Monday going. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Category name reserved characters

Where can I find a list of characters that should not be included in category names?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm not aware that there are any such characters. Afaik, category names basically follow the same rules as article titles. They should simply be a descriptive phrase, so there's no need for any characters other than letters and digits anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm particularly interested in using a colon so that the category name is short and clear. The colon will help. Technical restrictions for article names are listed at WP:NCTR.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Category names are page names and the same limitations apply. Colons are possible, for example in Category:Avatar: The Last Airbender. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:33, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Company profile getting deleted

I have seen many factual pages on companies, their history, accomplishments, etc. When I try to create one about my company, the page is deleted or I am promptly stopped. Can you please tell me what the channels and content restrictions are for creating a company fact page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mschena (talk • contribs) 15:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Without knowing what article you are referring to I can only speculate - I think at least part of the problem stems from your misconception that Wikipedia has "company profiles" - we most definitely do not do "profiles" - we have encyclopedic articles about notable subjects. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Do WP:CORP and WP:COI answer your questions? --ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

And also see WP:PROMOTION for further information on why you can find yourself promptly stopped. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

share an artical

I want to share an article I found in wikipedia with a colleague via email — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judyatknema (talk • contribs) 16:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

You can copy-paste the url from the browser address bar and mail that.

Sharebox is a script that reorders your toolbox. It adds new buttons that make it easier to mail, print or share an article on Facebook or another linksharing service. You must have an account to add Sharebox to the sidebar. See User:TheDJ/Sharebox for more information. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

References

<ref>http://marathimovieworld.com/interviews/chinmay-udgirkar-interview.php</ref>
<ref>http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-10-08/style-guide/31382818_1_glitz-and-glamour-perfect-date-pair-of-blue-denims</ref>
<ref>http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-12-19/news-interviews/35913122_1_marathi-film-chinmay-udgirkar-shyamchi-aai</ref>

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gayatri Deshmukh (talk • contribs) 17:11, 22 April 2013‎

Chinmay Udgirkar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Issue with page

There is a page- Suburban Express, which use to have a paragraph called "controversies" which link to several articles such as this- http://www.dailyillini.com/news/campus/article_026b7ab0-a89e-11e2-a046-001a4bcf6878.html. Why was it removed? Several individuals think the owner of the Suburban Express removed it to hide the bad reputation. It needs to go back on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.222.212.164 (talk) 17:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

There is discussion of this on that article's talk page. That is the correct place to continue this discussion. RJFJR (talk) 18:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

International broadcast

Heya, I lurk on a bunch of television articles, and was hoping to get some clarification on the inclusion of International broadcast tables, preferably from someone with some familiarity editing TV articles. WP:MOS:TV seems to say fairly unambiguously, albeit briefly, that listing every channel a show is aired on, is discouraged. And when I see a list like this I shudder. If the show is produced in an English-speaking country, should we be chopping these lists down to include only English-speaking countries that air the show? It seems that WP:MOS:TV is specifically encouraging this. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:20, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't think of any valid reason to "privilege" English speaking countries over others like that. This is the Wikipedia written in the English language, it is not the Wikipedia only for stuff that happens in English speaking countries. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I've purged the whole damned thing, with a wikilink to WP:MOS:TV. You'll have to monitor it to make sure the mess doesn't re-appear. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:33, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the assist. Do you by any chance know where I could find dialogue about this subject? I tried poking around the archives at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television but couldn't find anything. I'm interested in getting the backstory behind this guideline. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Need help in resolving an issue.

Greetings, I'm trying to help an established Russian theater director edit his wikipedia page. Since my English is better than my Russian, I have decided to post my question here. Basically, the article contains a "Proposed deletion process" tag. In the discussion, person A states, "Relevance?", and person B responds with a link containing a great number of online articles, etc, suggesting that the person in question is indeed important enough to have his own wikipedia page. This discussion took place last year, but the tag is still there and no further progress has been made. How would I go about removing this tag? Thanks! Ikalnitsky

The page in question: link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikalnitsky (talk • contribs) 18:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

We can't help you with articles on the Russian Wikipedia, they have their own rules and procedures. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

I'm a highly experienced editor, but here's something I'm unclear on. I know that interwiki links are now supposed to be handled using WikiData, but if somebody adds such a link to an article in the old way, what should I do about it? Revert it? Leave it for a bot to handle? Fix it somehow? Looie496 (talk) 19:57, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

If the interwiki link is already contained in the Wikidata item, just revert/remove it and notify the user who added it. If it isn't, you should first ensure that it's a correct link, and then add it to the Wikidata item before removing it. FrigidNinja 20:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. If you could glance at Treatment-resistant depression and verify that I migrated the link to ru correctly, I'd be grateful. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Looks right to me. I added a description and a couple of statements to the Wikidata entry. --ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Clarify rail article

Maple Leaf (train) mentions that it is a Codeshare agreement and is blue linked in the lead. The codeshare agreement article mentions air-rail but not rail-rail agreements. Should I bring this up in the rail projects? They may be not very active nor interested though. Another place may be ref desk. Out of my field or I would fix. File:Railcu.svg is the best map we have if any are curious.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Cross posted at the rail project.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

New page patrolling toolbar

Heya there. I sometimes like to check out the new pages feed, and when I would click Review, it'd show the article with a pretty sidebar on the right with some nifty tools for tagging, etc. I guess I clicked on the X and can't seem to figure out how to get it back. Anyone know? Thanks! — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:50, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

When you click out of the toolbar, a link should appear in your toolbox, on the left hand side of the page, that says "Curate this article". When you click on that the toolbar should reappear. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Tada!! Thank you kind sir — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Uploading a picture.

How do I upload a picture of a portrait painted by Adriaen Hanneman. It is a portrait of my ancestor painted by Hanneman and it had to be painted after about 1625 through 1630. Because hanneman was not born until 1603. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dktumlinson (talk • contribs) 22:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload seems to be the most stable over there and tag it with: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Art-100 You can contact me over there if you need help.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

(e/c)

1. Go to the Wikimedia Commons
2. Sign up for an account.
3. Click "upload file" (which will bring you here) and follow the prompts.
4. I suggest you look at this existing upload of a painting by this artist to use as a guide for what information and licensing you might include. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The upload wizard has been acting up lately so if that fails use the special upload that I linked above. Help desk over their can help you locate any images that may be the same as yours. Are they in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Adriaen_Hanneman yet and are your versions better?--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:32, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Need for references within section that has a main article

Ok another question, when a section of an article has a main article (e.g. with Template:Main), assuming this main article covers the same material and is well sourced, is it acceptable to omit references? I'm almost certain I read a WP namespaced article stating this is NOT ok, but I can't find it... Personally, as a reader I think it looks bad to omit references under any justification. Thanks! — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:20, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Definitely not okay. Each article and its content must stand on its own. This was discussed recently (or close enough) here: Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 103#Citations on linked pages. Note that every person who was on the other side didn't have a leg to stand on, though they might not agree:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:47, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

You have to remember that Wikipedia pages can be ported to other sites, with or without other articles. --  Gadget850 ^talk 12:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Cool that's what I thought. But isn't there an article from Wikipedia that covers this? For example a page similar to Wikipedia:Citing_sources? I've seen it before, searched around and could't find it. I was recently in this debate, and linking to an official WP article would have put an end to it. E.g. edit summary adding ref per WP:SOMETHING. Thanks again — MusikAnimal ^talk 14:56, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

If there is I haven't found it but the clear implication of WP:INTEGRITY speaks to the issue. If we need to be careful in a single article that the placement of the source allows our readers to verify the content, then perforce, the extreme remove of hoping a reader somehow will find the sourcing of the same or similar content in a separate article is woefully inadequate to maintain source integrity.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)