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February 23

Disambiguation when there is no second article

The guidance at hatnote makes it clear on should not use a hatnote when the other article has not been created.

What should one do when the title of an article is potentially confusing, but the other use does not have an article?

For example, there is an article Apogee Books. That article is about a Canadian publisher. There also sued to be another publisher of the same name, but it is out of business, and may not be notable enough for an article. this book is published by the "other" Apogee. Someone told that there was a publishing house which published some science fiction, who then searched for Apogee Books in Wikipedia would be led to an article about a publisher of science fiction, but it would be the wrong one.

A hatnote would be the perfect answer, if there were a second article. How do we inform our readers that this isn't the publisher they want?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 02:17, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't see any reason to not include a small note somewhere in the article about the unrelated publishing house. A single sentence would do. A hatnote maybe not so, because of prominence would be out of place, but you could simply say (with a reliable reference) "There was an unrelated publisher from XXXX also named Apogee" or something like that. Care would have to be taken on how to properly work it in to the article text, but I don't see any reason why the information should be completely omitted. --Jayron32 02:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

How about using {{Distinguish2}} to say something like "Not to be confused with the science fiction publisher Apogee blah blah"? You don't necessarily need a link with that. Chamal ^T•C 02:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try that template, which sounds perfect.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:51, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Press releases as reliable sources

I was just wondering to what degree are press releases considered a reliable source? It seems they fail as not being a "third party" source, as they are generally authored directly or indirectly by the party they are about. Also wondering about their status as relates to WP:CORPDEPTH. Thanks! audiodude (talk) 03:06, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Press releases are reliable sources for what the press release says. Simple attribute the source in text if you need to use it by saying "A press release from XXXX states that..." and then cite the press release as any other source. That being said, the relevance of the material in the press release would still need to be established, and doing so would require consensus. --Jayron32 03:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

A press release is a type of self-published source, with all the usual caveats regarding the evaluation of reliability and relevance. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 04:51, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Update template documentation

I have created an alternate version of the WikiProject Film award, and added it into Template:WikiProject_Film_Award. How do I update the documentation, so as to show how the alternate version? FrigidNinja 04:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at the modifications I made; do these look okay? —Theopolisme (talk) 04:14, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

That's perfect, thank you! FrigidNinja 04:17, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The Last Church . org

I find no information about the last church on Wikipedia. Http://www.thelastchurch.org has been on the net since the net began. Should there not be some mention of it and it's content. I do not have the ability to create the information because of my age and medical problems. I do how ever think someone should. It has been posting in alt.thelastchurch and other such places as alt.wicca going back several years so there are many public records about it.

The-Last-Church (talk) 04:50, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Information included on Wikipedia must be notable and verifiable. If you believe that the last church meets these criteria and can support your opinion with evidence published by reliable sources, please feel free to request an article on this topic. FrigidNinja 05:13, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Daily pictures

Is the person that picks the daily pictures from Tasmania. There are alot of pictures from there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.212.136 (talk) 05:08, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The picture of the day is a featured picture. The POTD is generally chosen from the featured pictures in roughly the order in which they were uploaded; so no one person chooses the picture. Incidentally, I'm not sure what you define as "a lot" of pictures, as there have been only 2 pictures this month from Tasmania. FrigidNinja 05:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, featured pictures are selected when the particular image reaches a consensus as a featured image by the editors, not only one editor. When an image is listed at WP:FPC for nine days with five or more reviewers in support and the consensus is in its favor, it can be added to the Featured pictures. Consensus is generally regarded to be a two-third majority in support, including the nominator and/or creator of the image; however, anonymous votes are generally disregarded, as are opinions of sockpuppets. So it is almost impossible that featured pictures are from only one country. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 09:05, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

There is a Tasmanian editor User:JJ Harrison who uploads many quality photos from Tasmania with a free license as required for featured pictures (most pictures on the Internet are not free). The userpage says "At the time of writing I have taken 8.9% of the featured pictures on the English Wikipedia." A photographer cannot give featured status to a picture, but can nominate it for review. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:30, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Killing of Travis Alexander

I have been watching Jodi Arias trial since it began and have researched Travis Alexander's death/murder to many lengths. I happen to read this page and saw that their is an error. I am hoping someone will edit it. Under Discovery It states: "When she arrived in Utah on June 5, 2008, Arias had dyed her hair blonde." This is incorrect. When Jodi arrived in Utah on June 5, 2008 her hair was dyed brown which was different from her normally blonde hair. Everyone that knew her in Utah commented on her hair now being brown instead of blond. This is not a huge mistake, but a mistake none the less. It should be correct as to not confuse readers. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sybley07 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sybley. You can make your request on the article's talk page. Just click on "New section" at the top of that page to start a new messsage, fill-in the subject/headline field, then type your request below. Because the article is semi-protected, include the template "{{edit semi-protected}}" at the beginning of your message. Don't forget to include at least one reliable source that proves the information you're providing is accurate. ;) Good luck! --76.189.111.199 (talk) 07:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Gottfried Heinrich Stölzel

Hi:

I'm editing the article for Gottfried Heinrich Stölzel

And the reference I am trying to properly format is reference 4.

^ Hopf, W (2007). "Zu Chronologie und Texgrundlagen der Kantatenjahrgänge von Gottfriedh Heinrich Stölzel". In Hopf, W. Alte Musik und Auffürungspraxis - Festschriff für Dieter Gutknecht zum 65. Geburtstag. Lit Verlag. pp. 81–92. ISBN 9783825809980.

This is a hardback book, in a music monograph series. It's just a group of different articles assembled. No editor is listed (except the publishers). I looked on the templates, but there doesn't seem to be something specific (except journals, which to me is like a magazine). Any suggestions.

I need to correct the information on this entry soon.

The author of the article is Bert Siegemund, NOT W. Hopf the name of the LIT Verlag owner.

The monograph series is entitled "Alte Musik und Auffürungspraxis"

band 1 (Vol 1) is dedicated to celebrate a musicologists birthday.

"Festschriff für Dieter Gutknecht zum 65. Geburtstag"

Other information is accurate.

Lit Verlag. pp. 81–92. ISBN 9783825809980.

Thanks so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Telemann (talk • contribs) 06:38, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

So you're asking which is the correct citation template to use? Have you looked through them all yet? To me it sounds like you'd want Template:Cite book or just the general Template:Citation. But if you are familiar with the source then you'd probably be in the best position to draw comparisons to other forms (e.g. if it's more like an encyclopedia then maybe you'd want to use a different citation template). In general using the correct citation template isn't that important, though. As long enough information is given that the reader can independently locate the source material then that should be good enough. I mean make it look as nice as possible but don't worry too much if it's not absolutely perfect. -Thibbs (talk) 18:47, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Kopi Luwak

Good day!

I am a producer of Kopi Luwak here in the Philippines. The article on Kopi lUwak is very unfair and bias to me and the rest of the producers of the rare Kopi Luwak coffee. I am trying to correct the unfair and bias paragraphs and sentences, in behalf of the other producers of Kopi luwak, but sad to say your company Wikipedia is favoring these unfair and bias paragraphs and sentences. Especially, the picture of Kopi Luwak section. Please be fair on the section of Kopi Luwak. "They" do not know the real taste and how does the process of Kopi Luwak really took place. I challenge "them" to come here in my place and I will let them taste a cup Kopi Luwak. They will surely taste the difference. Although, sad to say, there are some Kopi Luwak producers do it the harsh way. But I tell you, the civet cat can not be "forced feed" as they claimed because they do not eat if maltreated. They do not eat coffee berries the next day. Some do not even eat coffee berries at all. They eventually die if you cage them for a long time like what you saw in the pictures. The civet cats are either: enclosed in a very huge cage with a coffee tree enclosed; or the tame ones are let to free to roam around the coffee trees to eat the berries, in order to produce the Kopi Luwak. Please be objective. "They" are the ones vandalizing the section of Kopi Luwak. Please reflect on these message you have sent:

"Rbalmonia, it seems you have only one interest on Wikipedia, and your edits at that article are obviously not well-received by other editors. It is time to stop making those edits and move on to something else, or risk being blocked indefinitely. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 03:17, 28 December 2012 (UTC)"[1]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbalmonia (talk • contribs) 07:26, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I do not know anything about the subject, and I have not looked at the article. But in general material in Wikipedia must be referenced to reliable sources: personal knowledge and unpublished material is not acceptable unless it has been reported in published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Template doesn't work as it should

I use User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:File page NFCC concerns tag to tag non-free files lacking a non-free use rationale. The template message is supposed to turn red after having been in place for more than 7 days and place files tagged for more than 7 days in Category:Non-free files lacking a non-free use rationale for more than 7 days. This doesn't work however, as the example of File:1944 Milwaukee Chicks.jpg shows. How can I make the color change and the recategorization of the tagged file after 7 days work? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 09:34, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The left vertical border of the box is red for me. Do you mean it's supposed to write this in red below the box: "This message has remained in place for seven days and so the files may be removed without further notice." That requires a timestamp parameter which isn't in File:1944 Milwaukee Chicks.jpg, and isn't mentioned in the documentation at User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:File page NFCC concerns tag. If the tag is saved with |timestamp=~~~~~ then it should work. An unrelated comment: If you are using this tag beyond a few tests then it should be in template space. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's supposed to add a red message to the template after 7 days. I added the timestamp parameter to the pasteable code in the template documentation (and my task description) and moved the page into the template namespace. Thank you. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 23:32, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

undeletion

Dear Sir or Madam,

I came across an issue with you articles. I tried to create with my account esomelpier a first article called English Study Online (ESO) but after thinking the best title I decided to change to just English study Online.

Here I started to have a problem because the system has recognised as a copy of the first one but actually I wanted just to change the title.

It's the page of my company and it would be vey bad to see something like that for my clients or potential one.

Is that possible to have back the page English Study Online. Here below you can find a message i got from you.

20:15, 17 February 2013 Deb (talk | contribs) deleted page English study online (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: A10: Recently created article that duplicates an existing topic, English Study Online (ESO))

I'm available to provide everything you need in order to solve this issue asap.

Thanks in advance for helping me.

Best regards,

Andrea Melara English Study Online — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esomelpier (talk • contribs) 10:44, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Reformatted for readability. --ColinFine (talk) 11:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Andrea. The answer to the first question is that the way to change the title of a page is to move the page.

The answer to the second one is that articles in Wikipedia are required to be referenced to independent reliable sources, and written in a neutral tone. Promotion of any kind, whether commercial or not, is not permitted.

As a representative of the company, you have a conflict of interest, so you are unlikely to be able to write a sufficiently neutral article. Please read WP:BESTCOI and WP:CORP. --ColinFine (talk) 11:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

untitled

My name is edward Stockdale. I'm contacting you to let you know that a group knowne as the yorubas and alafians in yammassee SC, alonge with the state of north carolina are and are hacking your web padge tracking me because of my family history. It seems that my family and I are part of the royal families of the UK and they keep deleating your web padges and putting or trying to add themselves to evry thing I trace please be aware , This Is The Truth they seem to be syber Hackers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.49.31.3 (talk) 15:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I think there may be something wierd going on. I checked 3 of the infobox BLPs at Yoruba people and only one I checked has a source that he was Yoruba. Could there be some covert edits at work here? Alaafin seems like a strange article as well.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:31, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what article this relates to. A google search indicates a Edward LLoyd Stockdale Jr who did not join the alafians and yorubas community in Yemassee, South Carolina. Where you indicate "deleating your web padges", to which Wikipedia articles are you referring? Also, what are the names of the Wikipedia articles they are adding themselves to? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 16:41, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I remember it now. It seems there is a group trying to create their own country within a country and have been accused of using wp in the attempt. See: Yorùbáland--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Good memory! I checked and Yorùbáland meets WP:N and there enough source material there for Yorùbáland to be mentioned in other Wikipedia articles. The editors may not be using sourced material to edit Wikipedia, creating an issue. The puzzling thing is trying to figure out which Wikipedia pages Edward Stockdale's name could possibly appear to allow others to hack to track him. Without knowing that, it's hard to offer any help advise. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Someone may have to go through Category:Yoruba people as well as the other sub-cats in Category:Yoruba. It won't be me though.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble seeing what this could have to do with Wikipedia. You think the US state of North Carolina is somehow using Wikipedia to track you? How would that work, exactly? Can you describe exactly what you're trying to tell us is happening (i.e. what exact pages you are looking at and what edits are wrong and why)? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:06, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Help bringing participants to a talk page merge discussion

There is a talk page merge discussion at Talk:Heart and Soul (1938 song)#Merge at which only two other editors and myself have been participating. What are some ways to publicize the the talk page discussion to bring in comments from additional editors? I though of Wikipedia:Requests for comment, but I would appreciate your comment on using RFC for the talk page merge as well as receive additional suggestions. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 16:27, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen Wikipedia:Proposed mergers? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I added a note on the Wikipedia:Proposed mergers page. That page has some traffic.[2] Any other suggestions to publicize the discussion would be welcome. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 16:57, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

None of the articles have the merger tags in point 2 of Wikipedia:Proposed mergers#How to propose a merger. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:27, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

They did. The discussion has been going on for weeks. Uzma has been shopping his objections to the merge all over Wikipedia, include Jimbo's talk page. Since the merge is clearly indicated by normal practice and everyone that has discussed it but Uzma, I've removed the tags and performed the merge. Uzma has since tried to report me at WP:AN and is here trying to get the discussion reopened.—Kww(talk) 18:38, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

SM Razaullah Ansari

In the Write-up on S.M.Razauall Ansari, there is a factual error. Ansari has not worked on Avempec and Qutbooddin Shrazi. Please delete it. I know it well. He has worked on Al-Biruni and Ulugh Beg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.192.162 (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Just because you "know something well" does not mean that it should be changed. All Wikipedia content is verifiable and does not contain original research. If you believe that there is an error in an article, you may change it, as long as you provide a reliable source to back up your information. Since SM Razaullah Ansari is still alive, your edit must also follow the Wikipedia guidelines for biographies of living persons. Thank you. FrigidNinja 17:02, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

A reliable source wouldn't be needed to remove information if it was unsourced. But I don't se mention of "Avempec" or "Qutbooddin Shrazi" in SM Razaullah Ansari or its recent page history. Oh, looking at your edits I see [3] you have removed Avempace and Qotb al-Din Shirazi. I guess that's what you referred to. It was supposedly sourced but I haven't been able to examine the sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:52, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi I found out about General Philip H. Sheridan's born year

This is Gael O'Connell from Arizona and Illinois (snowbird season)

I went to Ireland for two months for travels the history in July 2012 and Jan and Feb 2013 and I just back home to Illinois yesterday and share with my Dad and he have vision problem so I check website about General Philip H. Sheridan's birthplace there in Ireland and I took picture of his homeplace. I check the website in Illinois and I learn that wrong born the year and correct died year. General Philip H. Sheridan Born is 1830 to 1888 but not say the month and date. and need change correct the year 1830. I have picture of it and do you want the picture of his birthplace. His birthplace wore out the house but still there. if you want see the picture.

Gael O'Connell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.73.197 (talk) 20:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to this article Philip_Sheridan? The source of the birthdate and place in that article notes that there is some contention over his actual birthdate and place, and includes references to the stone marker in Ireland. RudolfRed (talk) 20:23, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

He probably was born in Ireland and did the deception to qualify as a presidential canditate. They have records in Ireland but none in the US is seems. It has probably been dicussed on the talk page before but may be due for another consensus to include both in the lead. Can you upload your images to commons?--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:15, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at the caption over the pix on the "Stomach Cancer" page.

I'm sure that's not right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.234.114.180 (talk) 21:25, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Looks like cluebot already fixed this vandalism. Thanks for reporting it, though. RudolfRed (talk) 21:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

Musicians from Riverside .California

Hello Wikipedia for some unknown reason there was a small list of former and current musicians left off the page of people who have lived in Riverside. Trey Stone, Freddy Howard, Charles Unger,Ella Faulk, Steve Tavaglione. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.6.88.170 (talk) 23:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello IP 71. In order for someone to qualify for a "notable" people list (notable residents, notable alumni, etc.), the person needs to meet Wikipedia's definition of notable, which is a test used to decide if someone is worthy of having a Wikipedia article about them. Also, there must be reliable sources to prove that the person is actually a member of the list class (resident of the city, alum of the school, etc.). I looked up all of the names you mentioned and I could only find one, Steve Tavaglione, who has an article. It should be noted about Tavaglione, though, that there are actually no reliable sources in the article to verify his notability or that he's connected to Riverside, California. (It's also not clear if the "Notable people" list in the Riverside article is intended for people who were born there, currently live there, lived there at some point, or any of them.) This is a good and helpful essay about adding names to notable alumni lists, but the overall point applies to any list of notable people. Finally, see these guidelines which are specifically about lists of people. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 00:40, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

america's next top model cycle 4

The writing and grammar on the page America's Next Top Model, Cycle 4 is is very poor. Seems to be written by a non-native speaker without a strong understanding of the language. The article frequently refers to the all-female models as he/his/him. Sentence construct is also poor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.145.203.18 (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

No one is stopping you from making it right. --Jayron32 00:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (Great minds think alike.) Hello, 98.145.203.18. Feel free to be bold and make the proper corrections! ;) --76.189.111.199 (talk) 00:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I made a few corrections. I guess someone did some work on it earlier, because it didn't look too bad. But seriously, is this silliness really notable? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

(edit) As I looked further down, it became clear that this article was pretty badly vandalized starting with a series of edits by IP User:186.89.219.95 at 2012-02-05T19:58:08Z. The only reasonable solution I can see is to revert to the previous version, which I've done. If someone wants to sort through all the edits since then to find any that were significant versus just hacking over some of the vandalized text, be my guest. I wonder if there is more damage to other similar articles... —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)