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January 9[edit]

How can I help with the UFC pages[edit]

I am a UFC fan, have used Wikipedia for a number years for details on events and fights and am finding the removal of pages on UFC very frustrating. How can I help stop this ? Richard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardMDean (talk • contribs) 01:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed that as well. I don't know which of many dispute fora it is being discussed in. It should have a wikiproject that you could look at.--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for you relpy, I dont undersand what dispute fora are or where to find them nor what a wikiproject is. Could you post a link or DM me one ? Richard — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardMDean (talk • contribs) 01:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are very welcome. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts is the talk page with links to deletion discussions I think. The main page has detail on the project.--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again, I will ask them what I can do to help out. Richard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardMDean (talk • contribs) 01:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite. It's important to notice the long discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts about event notability, as well as the various (several) discussions on WP:ANI concerning various editors who have been blocked from editing because of their contentious edition. 216.93.234.239 (talk) 22:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agriprocessor's on Wikipedia[edit]

Agriprocessors (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

It concerns me that of the several people who were convicted in the 2008-2010 raid issues at this plant, that only one person other than Shalom Rubashkin is named. Mr. Guerrero is of no significance to learning about history of this plant and his name should be removed. He is contacting an attorney about the matter as it poses potential danger to him. How does this information get removed from the information in wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.21.72 (talk) 01:30, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:47, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hang on. An IP user threatens legal action and you comply with their demand? He was a supervisor responsible for hiring "illegal immigrants", the only one that I can see who was convicted. The article regarding the other 297 convictions makes it clear that they were all illegal immigrants themselves – not management. If someone can show that there were additional convictions, the one at issue might be considered undue, but two sentences in a mid-length article seems entirely reasonable in this case (the last sentence was supposition unsupported by the source and should indeed be removed). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I added a {{uw-legal}} at User_talk:69.179.21.72#January 2013. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:30, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I just read it as two names mentioned out of 297 convictions. If editors wish to source other management that was convicted they should discuss inclusion and seek consensus on the talk page. I didn't consider "contacting an attorney" as a legal threat. I just thought it would be easiest to remove as BLP:UNDUE until it is sorted.--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a link to the purported criminal complaint against the subject. Based on what he was convicted of, at least some of the allegations were found to be true. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Postville Raid has more management convictions that were not listed in the article. Like I said in my edit summary, list all or list none as per undue.--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:45, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I've suggested at Talk:Agriprocessors § Criminal charges and trials that the Agriprocessors § Criminal charges and trials section should either just be a link to or selectively transclude the Postville Raid § Indictments and convictions section, which is more complete and well-maintained. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

clearing cache for images[edit]

I am unable to clear my Firefox Cache. I have installed the clear cache addon. I have also cleared the cache manually in tools >> options >> advanced >> network. Why are old versions of images still appearing in my browser?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If those steps don't work, the problem may be at the servers. Can you try a different browser, to see if that also displays an outdated image? You could also try purging the image file pages, at Wikipedia and, if relevant, at Commons, to force the servers to regenerate the thumbnail images. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There was a similar problem mentioned over at that "other Help Desk". I tried to track down the problem, but the best I could surmise is that the server page for the image needed to be purged, and I couldn't figure out how to do that. But the instructions are here:Wikipedia:Purge#For_images. ~Good luck ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 08:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Purging is not working.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:15, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give an example of an image that is displaying wrongly for you? -- John of Reading (talk) 18:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have one: on Toby Jones I see the original, uncropped image rather than the later cropped version and no amount or purging or cache-clearing will fix it.--ukexpat (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing the cropped image there. I don't have any other helpful suggestions to offer, I'm afraid. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I'm seeing the latest crops on all those pages. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are some archived threads mentioning caching by routers and ISPs. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please look more closely. I have logged onto wikipedia from two other machines that should not have cached images. Here are pages where old versions still appear on alternate machines:
  1. Tim Hardaway, Jr. - all the images in the Junior year section. The 3rd image in the junior year section.
  2. Layup - the middle image
  3. Fast break - the fourth image
I may crop some of the images further so some more issues may crop up.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:01, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
These articles are showing me the latest versions of those three images. I think you should post at WP:VPT. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pennsylvania Congrssional District Maps are off[edit]

Your Pa Congressional District maps do not reflect the changes that went into effect this year as a result of redistributing. The website link is Pennsylvania Congressional Districts#Third Congressional District.

Can you please update your maps?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.45.202 (talk) 10:54, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So the map at Pennsylvania's 3rd congressional district must also be off. Maproom (talk) 11:05, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I believe all Congressional maps are out of date. We have to wait for http://www.nationalatlas.gov/ to update them, or someone on here who wants to take on the task of updating. CTF83! 11:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sengar[edit]

hello, this is about the "Sengar" page... USER: SITUSH who has deleted the whole content of this page without any prior knowledge about the page and the information which was given before on this page was true and complete but this USER has deleted it....the whole idea of wikipedia is to widened the knowledge of the person who is browsing through it not narrow down...I can confirm on the information which is given on that page earlier....pls take appropriate action.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashpal.sengar (talk • contribs) 12:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It has been explained to you on your user talk page, and had previously been explained on the talk page of the IP address used for earlier similar edits, that before you add the material you need to find references to satisfy Wikipedia's requirement for verifiability. Please read the useful links provided to you in the messages on your talk page, and take notice of them. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Importing content from a Web page[edit]

Hello, I am creating my own page and using my own material off my website at http://shannonsylvia.com/bio.html. I am being flagged for copyright violation activity however I am the creator of both. Thank you! (Shannon Sylvia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gadgetmeister (talk • contribs) 15:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

header added In that case you might be interested in donating the copyright so we can use it. - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 15:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
However, you should be aware that autobiography is strongly discouraged at Wikipedia, and that it is likely that much of the material on anybody's own webpage is likely to be completely unsuitable in tone for a Wikipedia article about them. --ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With or Without You[edit]

I received a warning that I had made a comment about "With or Without You" that was rejected for being insulting. I had never heard of "With or Without You" before. 64.231.176.109 (talk) 16:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

At the bottom of your talk page there is a message saying: "This is the discussion page for an IP user, identified by the user's numerical IP address. Some IP addresses change periodically, and may be shared by several users. If you are an IP user, you may create an account or log in to avoid future confusion with other IP users. Registering also hides your IP address."
The warning has been there since last January, and presumably related to another user who at that time had the IP address you now have. You can ignore it. But if you wish to avoid this concern in the future, you could create an account: it doesn't cost anything, and has other advantages. --ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Brooks City base page[edit]

Due to the recent developments, I would like to change the Brooks city base page to more correctly reflect the new name. Brooks Air Force Base should have its own page, as it is no longer in existence. The base was turned over to the city to start a multi development project with includes housing, businesses, etc. The current page expresses little about the current state of the base, and has much to much history. Perhaps each should have their own page to stop confusion? Caseywhittington (talk) 16:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To deal with this, the existing article (Brooks City-BaseBrooks Air Force Base) should be left as it is and a new article created about the new use of the base since it was turned over. If you have a conflict of interest here you should probably not do it yourself. Or you could use the articles for creation process.--ukexpat (talk) 16:47, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How would you reflect the changes? The problem I have with the current page is that it has the name of the current development (which has no association with the air force as of Sep. 1 2011) yet it contains mostly info concerning the AFB history. Caseywhittington (talk) 16:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Mention the change in the history section of the current article, and link to the new article. All the rest of the stuff about the new use can be split out into the new article. Edit summaries should be detailed enough to explain why the changes are being made.--ukexpat (talk) 17:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Any advice on a name for the new page? As the current page uses the EXACT name of the current development — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caseywhittington (talk • contribs) 17:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:Orangemike has very helpfully fixed this by renaming the existing article to Brooks Air Force Base. The new article can be created at Brooks City-Base.--ukexpat (talk) 17:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the context of conflict of interest, I find this edit interesting, with the OP refactoring his/her previous comment. I'd like to AGF, but I hope this isn't an attempt to hide a CoI? - David Biddulph (talk) 17:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The previous comment was made incorrectly. I only refracted it upon learning that there is ZERO client relationship, thus wanting to avoid any prior confusion, and operate in good faith. Caseywhittington (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean by "refracted" (redacted, perhaps?); but you explicitly stated, "I wish to correct this info on behalf of my client." Are you now saying you did not and do not have a client with an interest in this matter? I hope you can understand why this looks suspicious to us here. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Or "refactored"?--ukexpat (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can assure you I have no relation to the base or the new development. I believe this will be made clear when you see the new page. Thank you for all of your help as I am a wiki rookie. Caseywhittington (talk) 18:10, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would strongly urge you to use the articles for creation process so that the draft can be reviewed before it is moved to the mainspace.--ukexpat (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you ukexpat! I think a review would be incredibly helpful!Caseywhittington (talk) 18:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to comment on the draft article in the proper place, its talk page. But it is currently occupying the talk page itself, while the page where it ought to be is blank. So I'll make a couple of comments here instead. (1.) The phrase "master planned" sounds promotional. It would be better to omit it, at least from the first sentence. (2.) Writing "the nation's first" is unhelpful when you have not yet indicated what nation it is in. Remember that many readers of Wikipedia live outside the US. Maproom (talk) 12:59, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Esmeralda County School District[edit]

Regarding page: Esmeralda County School District

The website for Esmeralda County School District has been changed to www.esmeraldacountyschools.com. It would be wonderful if this could be updated.

Thank you, Winifred Wood Esmeralda County School District — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.197.171.62 (talk) 17:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done in this edit.--ukexpat (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed submission of article about American novelist Nancy Thayer[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nancy Thayer

To whom it may concern:

I have written a short article about American novelist Nancy Thayer. It is currently headlined "Editing Wikipedia Talk: Articles for creation/Nancy Thayer. This is my first proposed submission to Wikipedia, and I don't know how to have it actually posted on the website. Please advise, and thank you in advance for your help.Carulus (talk) 18:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately your article does not cite any sources for the information it contains. You should read WP:Verifability. Ruslik_Zero 18:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
The above template may help find sources.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You should probably also look at existing articles on similar authors for help with properly formatting your article. You can click the Edit (or View Source) tab at the top of such an article to see its wikitext. I would copy it and then change the details to match your subject author. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pioneer High School[edit]

This in correct. I went to Pioneer High School in Whittier Calif. Not San Jose. Please correct Joe Rico At www.Realender.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.140.84.24 (talk) 19:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are several Pioneer High Schools. The article about the one in Whittier says it's in Whittier, the one about the one in San Jose says it's in San Jose. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 20:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) There is more than one Pioneer High School; the main page is a disambiguation page. You must have found the San Jose page through a search engine which directed you to that page first. Tiggerjay (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page header / Wikiprojects[edit]

The article Kindertransport doesn't have any sort of header on its talk page, and therefore (presumably) hasn't received any sort of quality rating. I'm sure this article is of interest to a few Wikiprojects, but I don't know how to determine which ones, or what to do about it. Any assistance would be appreciated. ~Thanks, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 20:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How about {{WikiProject Military history}} with appropriate WWII parameters, {{WikiProject Germany}} and {{WikiProject Jewish history}}?--ukexpat (talk) 20:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Salvidrim! ✉ 20:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~Thanks, again, ~Eric [Modified: removed my next entry - never-mind]74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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