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November 12

Security warning

Hi, for the last two days I'm getting a security warning pop-up every time I open a new Wikipedia page. This never happened before. The message is telling me that this website contains content that will not be delivered using a secure HTTPS setting, which could compromise the security of the entire webpage. Is this a new thing? Do you know how I can get rid of the constant pop-up? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia now attempts, by default, to use secure (https) connections. If your setup is such that such a connection can not be or is not made, you may receive the warning mentioned. You can go to Special:Preferences and alter the state of the "Always use a secure connection when logged in" option to change this behavior. DES ^(talk) 01:10, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I unclicked "Always use a secure connection" in my Preferences, and it's still doing it. The only page it doesn't pop up on is my Watchlist. Yoninah (talk) 11:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

What is your browser including version number? Does it happen when you are logged out? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it happens when I'm logged out. How do I find out the browser and version number? Yoninah (talk) 11:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

That depends on the browser, but in most cases click on "Help" on the top line and it will give you some options like "About Internet Explorer" (if you are using Internet Explorer) click on that and it will give you the exact version. Arjayay (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. It's Internet Explorer, version 8.0. Yoninah (talk) 19:15, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Please take a look at this, and see if it's helpful: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/968089 . -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I looked at it, and even tried returning all Internet Explorer settings to the default setting, but it is still happening and it is so annoying. The only page that it doesn't pop up on is my watchlist. Yoninah (talk) 23:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Okay, I give up. At this point, the norm - which I suggest - is for you to take this to WP:VPT, where the technical experts hang out. It's quite possible they've already answered a similar question recently. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Dan Fishback

Reference help requested. I am having trouble with the referencing function. I am new to all of this and am working as an intern for the person whose biography I am updating. Thanks, Ryandavidobyrne (talk) 02:40, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

as far as the reference issues, the markup in Wikipedia for footnotes has two parts, the "ref tags" <ref></ref> which are used to frame the reference information in the body of the article , and the {{reflist}} template which which goes at the bottom of the article and will read and display the content in between the reftags as footnotes.

you did not have a {reflist} to display the information, you had modified the display tag to attempt to do a more complicated group ref. The details for how to use the reference mark up are WP:CITE if you still need additional information on that.

HOWEVER, a bigger issue is the conflict of interest that you have in writing an article about your employer/internship provider. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Un-submitting article/Clearing sandbox.

Hi, I'm just wondering how to clear your sandbox with a submitted article, as the article no longer needs to be submitted, and I need my space back? Thanks. Space alligator (talk) 06:47, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

If you just need the page to be blank you simply delete all the content. If you need the page itself to be deleted add {{db-user}} to the page and it will be deleted within a few hours at most. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:08, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

if anyone else edited your sandbox draft and you pasted the content into an existing article, you will need to have an admin do a history merge. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 07:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help.Space alligator (talk) 10:42, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Kornwestheim barracks

I am an absolute internet idiot, 70 years young and unfortunately broke. I did however serve in the U.S. army in Kornwestheim Germany. I was in the 24th engeneering company in Ludendorff Kaserne from late 1962 to Jan 1965. I have been back to the town and all traces of the barracks are gone and only a few old timers remember it. I have googled it and tried looking up all type of military records and can not seem to find any trace of it. Can anyone verify a huge part of my life? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.250.46.93 (talk) 07:42, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

There's a forum here for people who served there (there is mention of the 24th engineering company) and it looks like these may be photos of it. A Google search on "Ludendorff Kaserne Kornwestheim" suggests there is at least some more material out there. - Karenjc (talk) 09:27, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

You also may get additional assistance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history. -- Jreferee (talk) 11:35, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Richard Pasco ( autor from princess Grace of MONACO's music)

in one of your links is written "Richard Pasco Bio" but if you take the button you found only something about "VIAGRA"! What's that?

regards

reni von bifamo innovativ consult-entrepreneur(3diploma) representant from the foreign minister germany before — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.5.108 (talk) 09:31, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done - Just your typical everyday linkspam in the external links. Thanks for reporting it ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:43, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually the page in question http://www.samlingfoundation.co.uk/leaders.html contained biographies earlier.[1] I suspect the domain expired and was bought by a sophisticated cybersquatter who made it look like a legitimate site with a made up logo using the domain name (they didn't violate copyright by using a real logo from the old site). I haven't noticed that approach before. Advertisement on an expired domain is usually easier to spot. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

It's an external link, not a ref. So why readd it if someone is now using it for spam? That's now linking the guy directly to a viagra company, a possible BLP issue? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:54, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't think PrimeHunter's was proposing to readd the external link to the Richard Pasco article. It looks more like PH was providing good information for the rest of us to better understand an uncommon situation should we come across it in the future. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:35, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Glaisher got it. He/she has added an archived version. Problem solved. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Trying to create a new article

hi . i am trying to create a new article about Kathleen Supové. i wrote it, and clicked 'save page', and 'submit page', but: 1. i only see the first half or so of the article there, and in the preview 2. i keep seeing the following: Article not currently submitted for review. This is a draft Articles for creation submission. It is not currently pending review. There are no deadlines as long as you are actively improving the submission. Drafts not being improved will be deleted as provided in the CSD G13 guideline.

have i correctly submitted it?

thank, randy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randy woolf (talk • contribs) 11:42, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

References start with <ref> but end with </ref>. An editor has fixed that so the whole article is now visible and submitted. The ref error meant that everything after the first reference, including the attempted submission, was ignored. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Randy. It is currently submitted for review. You were not able to see the yellow box at the bottom because of open ref tags. The ref tags should be in <ref> source here </ref> Notice the / at the closing ref tag. As for the 'not being able to see the other half of it', it was due to improper use of ref tags as I said before. I have fixed it now. See this diff . See WP:CITEFOOT --Glaisher [talk] 11:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Finding my userspace sub-pages

I have lost track of one or two of the sub-pages in my Userspace that I have created over the years. Many moons ago someone showed me a link to a tool that creates a list of all such pages but I'm afraid I've lost that too. If my head wasn't attached... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:31, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

@Dodger67:Special:PrefixIndex can be used. Direct link for your subpages. --Glaisher [talk] 12:33, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

The bottom of user contributions pages also have a "Subpages" link. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:36, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I forget about the useful stuff in the Contributions page footer. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

@Dodger67: If you add

$( document ).ready( function() {

mw.util.addPortletLink(

'p-personal',

mw.util.wikiGetlink( 'Special:PrefixIndex/User:' ) + mw.config.get( 'wgUserName' ),

'Subpages',

'pt-mysubpages',

'Show your subpages',

null,

'#pt-preferences'

);

});

to User:Dodger67/common.js this will create a link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Dodger67 on top of every page (where watchlist, contributions etc are) when you are logged in. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:06, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

speedy deletion of timed text

How does one add a speedy deletion template to the timed text namespace? Instead of adding the template for administrators to see, it just adds the template text, for instance see my attempt [2] which I suppose is laughable. Thanks! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 14:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I have deleted TimedText:The Amen Break, in context.ogg.en.srt. I don't know whether it's possible to add a deletion template or category to a TimedText page. It looks OK in preview but fails on save. It's probably rare but you can use {{Admin help}} another time. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

<noinclude>{{db-g7}}</noinclude> should work; can an admin try to see if it works (then delete the page :P) --Mdann52talk to me! 14:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I doubt that would work but if you want to experiment then just create a page and ask me to delete it when you probably fail with <noinclude>{{db-g7}}</noinclude> and other attempts. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Development poor people

Hi, our state having more and more poor people. that's why called our country underdevelopment stage still also. and our government still not showing our poor people side, once its see some little bit very useful and people also slowly development, from there to little bit country also development. first we given some facilitates and daily uses items.

This manjunatha.M

[phone number redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.181.8.114 (talk) 15:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/122.181.8.114 shows no other edits since May so I don't know whether you are referring to something at Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Islamic terrorism

Hello! I'm doing some research about Islamic terrorism and I wanted someone to show/give me evidences of the information here please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism#United_States . About United States — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.154.4.24 (talk) 15:11, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

The small numbers like "^[173]" are links to references. See also the linked article Terrorism in the United States which has many references. If you want more then please be more specific and ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

The citation on the opening sentence has a "not in citation" tag on it, but a careful search of the page linked gives this quote:

With the exception of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the major terrorist acts or attempts against U.S. interests leading into the 21st century stemmed from militant Islamic jihad, guided directly or indirectly by al-Qa’ida.

— FBI annual report, "Terrorism 2002–2005"

It is about two thirds the way down the long web page, so it is not surprising people could not find it. I will fix up the citation to make it cite the PDF, so a page number can be given (page 43). Richard-of-Earth (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Using youtube as a reference

Is it valid to use a youtube video as a reference and where is the rule or guidance that governs it? What about facebook and twitter? I know I read it somewhere....! ```Buster Seven Talk 15:18, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

See WP:RS and WP:SELFPUB In general none of these will count as a reliable source. However there are exceptions. Youtube postings by reliable sources of their own work, such as for example when a new organization uploads a clip to youtube, or a movie studio uploads a trailer, may be a reliable source. In a biography the subject's OWN Facebook page may be a citeable source for what the subject has said/written about a topic, but their own website will often be more stable and thus should be preferred if the info can be cited from there. Much the same applies to Twitter and other social media sites. DES ^(talk) 15:39, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)See WP:YOUTUBE, WP:FACEBOOK and WP:TWITTER. Many organizations have an official YouTube channel that would be considered reliable. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Also note that we don't include links to YouTube postings which are copyright violations. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

A Youtube video could be a source for the existence of a video, for example, but not for the notability of the video. Or a video which was an (authorized) replay of a news broadcast could be a reliable source for facts announced by the professional newscaster, but not for information given by people being interviewed unless they were recognized experts speaking on a topic independent of themselves. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:00, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

omissions in the number of films acted by Savithri,the Tamil/Telugu actress of 50s/60s

'I went thro the list of films acted by the actress Savithri.I found number of Tamil films omitted from the list. 1.Mamanmagal. 2.Gunasundari 3.Sowbhagyavathi. 4.pathibakthi. 5.Mahadevi. 6.Parisu. 7.Vettaikkaran. 8.Parisu. 9.Maheswari. 10,Kalathur kannamma. 11.Kathituntha kangal. 12.Halo mister jamindar. 13.kadanvangikalyanam. 14.Manithan maravillai. 15.poojaikku vandha malar. 16.Padhakanikkai. 17.paarthaal pasi theerum. 18.Banthapasam. 19.Aayiram roopai. 20.Kuraththi magan. 21.Seetha. 22.Navarathri. and some more not able to recollect immediately.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.150.125 (talk) 15:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Our filmographies are generally not exhaustive, but include some of the more notable items. For an exhaustive listing, you need something like the IMDb. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

If you think that others should be included, discuss the matter on Talk:Savitri (actress). DES ^(talk) 15:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

File:World map indicating tropics and subtropics.png is wrong

The 38 degree line is in the wrong place, eg San Francisco is at 37 degrees yet appears well above the line — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.75.143 (talk) 19:55, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The Arctic and Antarctic circles, the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, and the Equator are all in the right places. But the 38 north line is at about 36 north, and the 38 south line is at about 34.5 south. It also has "Antarctic circle" mis-spelled. If it were an SVG I would try to fix it, but it's a PNG, which would be much harder. Maproom (talk) 20:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I think the only mistake is to write 38° on the lines and in the file page description. The file page says "Map was made by closely examining this map to get latitude accurately correct." The linked map says "Robinson projection standard parallels 38°N and 38°S", but that is a description of the used Robinson projection and does not mean the colored area showing the subtropics is at 38°. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. I have altered the map, removing the "38°" labels and adding a c to "Antarctic". Maproom (talk) 10:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Rendering problem in Grade II* listed buildings in Powys

The Grade II* listed buildings in Powys article does not display correctly, and appears to have a rendering problem. It contains a large table, but the displayed table contains fewer rows than the edited source. Also, the bottom of the article is screwed-up. The Notes, See also, References, and External links sections do not display correctly.

I have tried three browsers with the same result: Firefox 24.0, Internet Explorer 8.0.6 and Opera 12.16.

When I try to edit the page I get a message (in red):

Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included.

I found the Wikipedia:Template limits article, which discusses this but does not give a simple solution.

I have posted a note to Talk:Grade II* listed buildings in Powys.

Is there are straightforward solution to this problem? If not, is there a way to label the page as having this type of problem, to alert the appropriate experts? Verbcatcher (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I can edit the page. I am getting a render error as well. It seems as if the table it just too long, I don't have a solution however. I am using Firefox 24.0 and Mac OSX. Maybe someone else could help. XFEM Skier (talk) 00:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The page is automatically added to Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded but it's uncertain whether that will cause anyone to work on the problem. It's unrelated to the used browser. It can be difficult to fix such cases in a pretty way. Possible solutions include to split the article into smaller articles, reduce the article, reduce the number of used templates, or recode the used templates to be less expensive. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I have made some suggestions at Talk:Grade II* listed buildings in Powys. Rwessel (talk) 09:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Doing anything at all with that very long table is a problem. I have twice tried to remove one of the duplicate records for "Wegnall Old Farmhouse", getting "504 Gateway Time-out" and then "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem". I wonder if removing all the redlinks might help? Some process must be wasting a lot of time checking what colour to render them in. Maproom (talk) 11:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Editing an already created article

This is the first time I have ever done this (it's part of a course project). I have just finished adding content to an already created article on Drogo of Metz. I finished and saved and a friend of mine looked at it. She said it shows 'edit' in blue next to each header and when she clicks on the 'edit', it goes to my notes. How can I remove the 'edit'? Thanks .... Heather — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lee Castle 1 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Nobody owns an article. Others are allowed to edit Drogo of Metz so the edit links will not be removed. I'm not sure what you mean by "when she clicks on the 'edit', it goes to my notes". The article has no notes. The edit links go to editing the article, as they should. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:34, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay - I have just looked at other articles and the penny has dropped!!!! I was just a little confused as I've never clicked on the 'edit' button while reading Wikipedia before. I guess the process is, when you click on 'edit', you go to the programming notes which you can only change if you have a user ID. Makes sense. I just thought I had done something wrong........ thanks and cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lee Castle 1 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Except for some articles which are protected for various reasons, anyone (whether they have an account or not) can edit an article. You don't need an account. Though creating an account is encouraged. Dismas|^(talk) 02:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Caroline Kennedy

Caroline Kennedy is not the "younger sister" of John F. Kennedy Jr. John F. Kennedy Jr. was born on November 25, 1960. Caroline Bouvier Kennedy was born on November 27, 1957, making her a whole 3 years older than him. Please correct this. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.65.25.137 (talk) 23:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Which page are you referring to? I don't see it in Caroline Kennedy and couldn't find it in searches. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I could not find what you were referencing. Jackie Kennedy had a "younger sister" Caroline, but that is all I could find regarding Kennedy and "younger sister". -- Jreferee (talk) 14:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

"Please correct this. Thanks." The great thing about Wikipedia is that you have the power to correct this. Edit whatever article you are referring to and make the correction.Ordinary Person (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC)