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October 14

Page title needs changing

The page Tom Tyler Stradivarius is incorrectly titled. it should be titled "Tom Taylor Stradivarius". I changed the page contents to reflect this and added an authoritative reference but I don't know how to change the title. The page(stub) seems to have been created by an anonymous editor with a non-existent account. RMcGuigan (talk) 15:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ref 2 in the article says "Tom Tyler". Ref 1 says "Huberman Stradivarius", with no mention of Tom anybody. Ref 3 seems to make no mention of the instrument or its owner, but it is possible that some further link from there might say something. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

It is also rather confusing that you have redirected your user page and user talk page to Robert McGuigan, but that account shows very few edits, including none to the article in question. It would be less confusing if your signature actually went to the pages of your active account. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:44, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ref 2 is simply wrong, the CNN reporter got the name wrong. That must be the source of this proliferating error. The "Huberman Stradivarius" is the current violin of Joshua Bell who formerly owned the "Tom Taylor". Ref 3 points to a database of stringed instruments and the Tom Taylor violin is their reference ID number 541. Unfortunately it seems that the link I entered goes to the home page of the database rather than the page for the Tom Taylor strad. As it is now it is necessary to enter the ID number (541) in the search field on the page. I'll see if I can make the link more direct; failing that I'll provide a better reference. Sorry about the confusing redirect. I can't remember now how/why it happened but I'll try to fix it. I understand why the situation on the Tom Tyler Stradivarius page is difficult, with conflicting references; when I get a useful reference I'll delete reference 2, but the title will still be incorrect. RMcGuigan (talk) 18:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

reporting problem with an article WP:International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society

I am new to Wikipedia. I tried to report a problem with an article by going to the article's talk page as was the recommended procedure on your HELP section. I received no reply, so I am reporting the problem here as is recommended. As I explained on the article's talk page, I really do not want to edit or be involved with editing. I am a medical practitioner and I am much too busy to get involved in drawn-out discussions. For the most part I believe that Wikipedia's medical articles are well-written and informative. However, I could not help but notice inaccuracies in both the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) article and the article on Lyme disease. Firstly, ILADS is a medical society rather than a patient advocacy group. There is a difference in that the members of a medical society are health care practitioners or professionals in careers related to health care. Secondly, both articles are written from a biased point of view. Both articles are biased on the topic of Post Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome (PTLDS) or Chronic Lyme Disease (CLD) -- it really does not matter to me what name you wish to call it. The fact that PTLDS/CLD is a controversial topic is pointed out, but then the article only presents one point of view -- the point of view that persistent infection after antibiotic tratment does not exist. As this is a controversial topic, articles should accurately reflect the controversy -- not just present one point of view. There are peer-reviewed studies representing both sides so why not have your articles reflect this? From 1984 to date there are over 100 peer-reviewed articles that provide evidence that both humans and animals can have persistent infection after antibiotic treatment. It is very irresponsible to not provide up-to-date medical information that reflects the wide range of literature out there. Furthermore, the articles present the NIH and IDSA point of view. It should be noted that on the CDC's website on this topic, while leaning towards the point of view that symptoms related to Lyme disease post-antibiotic treatment are not caused by persistent infection, acknowledges that is is a grey area that needs further study, and I quote: "some health care providers tell patients that these symptoms reflect persistent infection with Borrelia burgdorferi. Recent animal studies have given rise to questions that require further research and clinical studies to determine the cause of PTLDS in humans are ongoing." I have read in Wikipedia's policies that secondary resources published in peer-reviewed journals are considered appropriate medical references. There are some review articles that support the point of view that persistent infection post antibiotic treatment exists. I have noticed in the talk pages on these topics that various editors have tried to make changes. Each time their changes have been removed and not always in a manner that is consitent with Wikipedia's own policies. I have no desire to wast my time, but I would like to report the problems and I hope that these inaccuracies will be corrected.Rogerroger.martin (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@Rogerroger.martin: Hello sir, thank you for following up on your talk page post. Sometimes it takes a little while for interested editors to respond to talk page discussions. I notice that you mentioned on the talk page that you are a medical practitioner, but you are not interested in participating in editing. That's fine, (and to be honest, sometimes the rules around here can be intimidating for new users) but maybe a good approach would be to post (again on the Talk Page) a version of a paragraph (for example) that exemplifies the balanced point of view you are suggesting. Obviously presenting reliable sources is crucial to support a perspective different from the one currently being presented in the article. That's my recommendation in a nutshell. I have no experience with medical articles, so I'm sorry that I can't be of more help than to offer general suggestions, perhaps my fellow volunteers can provide you with information more tailored to your expertise and to your objections. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Cal Smith

I am Cal Smith's grandson (Calvin Jr.) and the article is incorrect. It states that he has 5 children. it should be survived by wife Darlene, a son, Calvin, 5 grandchildren and 15 great-grandchildren. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.44.127 (talk) 02:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the correction, and my sincere condolences on the loss of your Grandfather. All the best. AJCham 03:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Carrier Strike Group Five Wikipedia-page Update

Dear Sir or Ma'am, The information you have for Carrier Strike Group 5 is outdated and slightly inaccurate. Below is the accurate information that I'd like to request to replace the webpage. Please update at your most earliest convenience. Thank you very much.

If there is an easier method for me to send revised text, please let me know. I would be happy to do so. You can contact me at: (Redacted)

Very Respectfully, MC2 Shannon Heavin CTF 70 Assistant Public Affairs Officer Embarked USS George Washington (CVN 73) Commercial: +(Redacted)

Extended content

Carrier Strike Group Five Carrier Strike Group Five, (CSG-5 or CARSTRKGRU 5), is the U.S. Navy carrier strike group assigned to the Pacific Fleet and permanently forward deployed to Seventh Fleet. U.S. Navy Carrier Strike Groups are employed in a variety of roles across the complete spectrum of warfare of maintaining sea control and projecting air power ashore to humanitarian assistance and disaster response. The CSG-5 Commander also serves as Battle Force Seventh Fleet and Commander, Task Force (CTF 70) for Seventh Fleet. In these responsibilities, CSG-5 serves as the Commander of all surface forces (carrier strike groups, independently deploying cruisers, destroyers and frigates) in the Seventh Fleet area of responsibility. CTF 70 also serves as the Theater Surface Warfare Commander (TSUWC) and Theater Integrated Air Missile Defense Commander (TIAMDC) for Seventh Fleet. The Strike Group Flagship is the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) which also embarks Carrier Air Wing Five (CVW-5). As of June 2013, CSG-5 includes the Aegis Cruisers USS Shiloh (CG 67), which also serves as the Seventh Fleet Ballistic Missile Defense Commander, and USS Antietam (CG 54) which serves as the Air Defense Commander for the strike group. Destroyer Squadron Fifteen (CDS-15) serves as the Sea Combat Commander and is also responsible for the seven assigned Arleigh-Burke class destroyers, USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG 54), USS John S. McCain (DDG 56), USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62), USS Stethem (DDG 63), USS Lassen (DDG 82), USS McCampbell (DDG 85) and USS Mustin (DDG 89). The Strike Warfare Commander is CVW-5 which includes: Strike Fighter Squadrons (VFA) 102, 27, 115 and 195; Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 141; Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 115; Fleet Logistics Support Squadron (VRC) 30 Detachment 5; Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadrons (HSM) 51 and 77; and Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 12. George Washington and the nine surface combatant ships operate out of Yokosuka, Japan, while CVW-5 operates out of Atsugi, Japan, when not embarked on the George Washington. Together, these units form the U.S. Navy's only continuously forward deployed (and largest) carrier strike group and are critical combat elements of the U.S. Seventh Fleet. History Carrier Strike Group Five was originally established during World War II on April 25, 1944 by Rear Admiral Frank Wagner as Carrier Division Five when he assumed command aboard USS Wasp and USS Hornet in Pearl Harbor. Rear Admiral J.J. Clark succeeded Wagner and commanded the unit through 12 months of sustained combat operations in the Western Pacific and waters surrounding Japan, working for both Third Fleet (ADM William Halsey) and Fifth Fleet (ADM Raymond Spruance). This included participation in the First and Second Philippine Sea Battles and the Iwo Jima and Okinawa campaigns. During the Korean War, Rear Admiral G.R. Henderson commanded Carrier Division Five and served as Commander, Task Force (CTF) 70 and 77 aboard USS Princeton (CV 37). Carrier Division Five moved back and forth between Yokosuka, Japan and the Korean Theater, serving as CTF 70 or 77 on multiple occasions. Prior to the Vietnam War, the location of Carrier Division Five moved between several Pacific ports and utilized rotating carriers from the West coast of the U.S. as its flagship. During the Vietnam War, 12 different commanders led Carrier Division Five and Task Force 77 in numerous combat deployments to the Vietnam War zone. Beginning in 1964 Carrier Group Five was permanently deployed to the Western Pacific and dual-hatted CTF 70/77, homeported at Naval Air Station Cubi Point in the Philippines. Carrier Division Five became Carrier Group Five on June 30, 1973, and in October, Carrier Group Five arrived in Yokosuka, Japan aboard USS Midway marking the first forward deployment of a complete Carrier Task Group in a Japanese port (the associated Air Wing, CVW-5, moved into Atsugi, Japan this same year). Carrier Group Five shifted its forward deployed location from Cubi Point, Republic of Philippines to Yokosuka in mid-1991. Midway remained in Yokosuka for 18 years and was relieved by USS Independence (CV 6) on September 11, 1991. In the lead up to the Gulf War, Rear Admiral Daniel March, Commander, Carrier Group Five, became Commander, Task Force 154 (Battle Force Zulu), part of Naval Forces Central Command. The Task Force led four carriers (USS Midway (CV 41), USS Ranger (CV 61), USS America (CV 66), and USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) in the Arabian Sea/Persian Gulf during Operation Desert Storm. On August 11, 1998, USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) relieved Independence as the Carrier Group Five flagship. After the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington, DC, on September 11, 2001, the Kitty Hawk Battle Group was ordered to deploy to the Indian Ocean and was later involved in combat missions against the Taliban and Al Qaida in Afghanistan. The ships got underway again in January 2003 with orders to deploy to the Persian Gulf as part of the build-up of military forces in the area in preparation for the war against the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Kitty Hawk arrived on station late February/early March and from March 20 on, participated in air strikes against targets in Iraq as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom. USS George Washington (CVN 73) relieved Kitty Hawk on September 25, 2008. Carrier Group Five was renamed Carrier Strike Group Five October 1, 2004. In 2011, Carrier Strike Group Five participated in two Humanitarian Assistance operations, Operation Tomodachi in Japan and support to Thailand during their worst flooding in 50 years. Command Structure Commander, Carrier Strike Group 5 is responsible for unit-level training, integrated training, and material readiness for the group’s ships and aviation squadrons. As the only continuously forward deployed carrier strike group, CSG-5 does not stand down when the strike group is in Yokosuka, but instead continues to maintain command responsibilities over deploying Carrier Strike Groups and independently deployed cruises, destroyers, and frigates that operate in the Seventh Fleet operating area. The commander and staff are also responsible for the higher level Task Force 70 duties throughout the year in addition to the CSG-5 duties. The composition of the strike group in immediate proximity of the George Washington varies throughout the year. Group commanders since 2000 have included: Rear Admiral Timothy Keating (June 1998 – September 2000) Rear Admiral Robert Williard (September 2000 – September 2001) Rear Admiral Steve Kunkel (September 2001 – February 2003) Rear Admiral Matthew Moffit (March 2003 – May 2003) Rear Admiral James Kelly (July 2003 – July 2005) Rear Admiral Douglas McClain (July 2005 – February 2007) Rear Admiral Richard Wren (February 2007 – December 2008) Rear Admiral Kevin Donegan (December 2008 – May 2010) Rear Admiral Dan Cloyd (May 2010 – April 2011) Rear Admiral J. R. Haley (April 2011 – January 2013) Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery (January 2013 – Present) About Forward Deployed Naval Forces The United States of America is a nation with global interests. We conduct trade with other nations on an unmatched scale as the U.S. imports and exports hundreds of billions of dollars per year in goods and services. Perhaps due to our history as a nation of immigrants, we desire to foster democracy around the world. Those and other interests cannot be acted upon if we do not maintain a strong presence well forward of our borders. For a century and a half, the U.S. Navy has maintained a presence in the Western Pacific and Indian Ocean to promote peace, regional cooperation and stability. That forward presence is maintained by the Forward Deployed Naval Forces (FDNF) of the Navy-Marine Corps team. The concept of forward presence in the U.S. Navy has existed since 1907, when President Roosevelt's Great White Fleet of 16 battleships sailed over 40,000 miles, making twenty port calls on six continents. Today, FDNF operate out of bases and ports around the world, including the Arabian Gulf, Mediterranean, and the Western Pacific, home to the 5th, 6th, and Seventh Fleets, respectively. Our presence in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region is more important than ever. U.S. naval forces help encourage dialogue, promote growth and ensure the free flow of trade, of which the oceans have increased importance. The Indo-Asia-Pacific region is one of the most dynamic areas of our rapidly-changing world, and our fleet must be maintained at a high state of operational, materiel and personnel readiness in order to be flexible and responsive to address a crisis situation requiring military support. Forces continuously stationed forward (as FDNF forces are) provide increased operational responsiveness for a crisis, strengthening partnerships with our treaty bound allies and help shape the operational environment during steady state operations. These units are true “force multipliers” for the Pacific Fleet and Seventh Fleet Commanders. External Links • USS Antietam (CG 54) • USS Shiloh (CG 67) • Destroyer Squadron 15 • USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG 54) o USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) o USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) o USS Stethem (DDG 63) o USS Lassen (DDG 82) o USS McCampbell (DDG 85) o USS Mustin (DDG 89) • Carrier Air Wing 5 o HSC-12 o HSM-77 o VFA-102 o VFA-27 o VFA-115 o VFA-195 o VAQ-141 o VAW-115 o VRC-30, Det. 5 Carrier Strike Group Five Active April 25, 1944 to date Country United States of America Branch United States Navy Type Carrier Strike Group Role Naval Air/Surface Warfare Part of U.S. Seventh Fleet Garrison/HQ Yokosuka, Japan Nickname Carrier Strike Group Commander Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery Motto First to Fight Engagements World War II Korean War Vietnam War Operation Desert Storm Operation Enduring Freedom Operation Iraqi Freedom Website Carrier Strike Group 5

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.56.181.194 (talk) 03:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for your service! The best place to make your suggestions about article content is the specific article's talk page. It is worth noting that in order for these contributions to survive, they must be supported by reliable sources independent of the subject, and cannot contain original research. So while your position as a public affairs officer might provide you with information not easily obtained by the public, we must need to be able to source them beyond your personal observation and interpretation, as all information on Wikipedia must be verifiable. That is, anybody should be able to trot down to a library to start verifying the facts. The article currently has seven references. If you can provide more, and submit them as in-line references, that would be fantastic. If you need any help, I'm happy to answer your questions, as would be any other Wikipedia editor. I do admit that I know nothing about military history, though. Respectfully, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

citing references

How do I cite a reference multiple times. I have cited a reference once which appears in the reference list eg Smith,P. (2003)......If I want to cite this again in the article again how do I do it. I type in <rename=smith... but t creates a new reference instead of just putting the number used for smith previously used. Is the problem that I have not defined somehow a name for the first smith paper. If so how do I do that

Many thanks 05:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)05:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csuenm (talk • contribs)

This is described at WP:REFNAME. You need to adjust your first reference to say <ref name="Favaloro">Favaloro, N. ... </ref>, and then you can use it again with the code <ref name="Favaloro"/>. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hebrew wikipedia editors racism

Dear Sirs at Wikipedia worldwide,

Racism by wikipedia Hebrew entries editors: Lostam, Assayas, Nero Yair and Gilgamesh is done daily!!! Their approach to cut entries of sephardic Jews subjects is obvious, they oppose any edits to add true facts and details. Those editors way of rejecting to accept other users opinion, is unacceptable in the 21st century. They clearly violate the freedom of writing in wikipedia but dictate their mood negatively. Due to their irresponsible acts, that show they are not serious, no one will donate any more to wikipedia not even one cent because of their narrow mind. Another point is that those editors admit they have no clue nor background in many areas that they watch, they decide too fast without using any deep thoughts regarding how the public would benefit from reading entries and learning. Wikipedia has lost donations as a consequence of letting those editors do as they wish instead of controlling them . It is important that wikipedia headquarters be aware of those arrogant Hebrew editors. Israel6565 (talk) 06:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)--

This is the help desk for English Wikipedia, not "wikipedia headquarters". We here have no influence over what happens at Hebrew Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 07:33, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Do we have a mechanism for forwarding this kind of stuff to the right Wikipedia? It might help to avoid in future the shitstorms we are currently getting in the media, with regard to non-English Wikipedias and racism, discrimination, bias, etc. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I asked about this and was referred here.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:33, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Sandbox

I added an article about Prof.Ramazan Sarı, who is one of the famous economist in Turkey. Although I added the article on 29th of August, it is still not published. Actually, it is seen only my Sandbox. I'd like to know whether there are something wrong with this entry? What can I do to accelarate the process. ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmenges (talk • contribs) 07:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Hmenges/sandbox seems to be mostly not in English, and it is also completely unclear what it is supposed to be an article about, so it is not suitable for inclusion as an article in the English Wikipedia. Please take a look at some existing recognised Wikipedia Good Articles at Wikipedia:GA to get an idea of how an article should be written, formatted and structured. You may also wish to read Wikipedia:Your first article. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:00, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) Firstly, this is the English Wikipedia, and any article posted here needs to be in English, not Turkish - or are you hoping to post it on the Turkish Wikipedia?. Please do not just put the text through Google translate or a similar translator, as the translation is not good enough. Secondly, having tried to understand what you are saying, Bing comes up with:- "The following is my own personal website, resume." Wikipedia does not accept resumes - please see WP:NOTRESUME. Arjayay (talk) 08:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

And if it is a copy of the professor's resume taken directly from his website, it is almost certainly a violation of his copyright and couldn't be reproduced on Wikipedia even if it were suitable, which, as others have explained above, it certainly isn't. - Karenjc (talk) 08:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

"Biosphere Conciousness"

I would like to open a wikipedia Subject called: "Biosphere Consciousness"

I would like to do this by posting an article written by Keith Gordon - for - Seattle Everyday Spirituality Examiner - about a talk given by: Jeremy Rifkin - entitled - The Empathic Civilization / Ross Institure Summer Academy 2010.

It is a well written article and Jeremy Rifkin's talk is spot on and very pertinent.

In my mind the most critical thing humanity can be focused on at this time.

Please let me know how to go about this, Thank you in advance, Starlightwalking — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starlightwalking (talk • contribs) 08:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

One imagines the Seattle Everyday Spirituality Examiner retain copyright over their material, so you cannot post material from their publication on Wikipedia. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Even if they do not retain copyright, Wikipedia is not a publisher, it does not allow essays or other original research to be reproduced - please see WP:NOTESSAY. If the subject "Biosphere Consciousness" has already been covered in sufficient, third party, reliable sources an article could be written on the subject, but not until then. Arjayay (talk) 09:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@Starlightwalking: "Biosphere Consciousness" sounds like a neologism. Neologism articles are magnets for deletion. Something to think about. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Help with the table needed

String thongs

Back	Sides
	Strap	Tie	Strapless
T-back
G-string
V-string
C-string

Can't figure out the codes of this table from Thong (clothing). Please take a look. Lines should run through the table and not end or begin inside a column.

It would be great if I could change the "backs" column to read - Low coverage (V-string and Maebari), Medium coverage (G-string, T-back, C-string ) and High coverage (Cheeky and T-back). The sides row should read - Strap (V-string, G-string, Cheeky), Tie-side (T-back) and Strapless (Maebari, C-string) Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 10:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Like this? ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

String thongs

Back	Sides
	Strap	Tie-side	Strapless
Low coverage (V-string and Maebari)
Medium coverage (G-string, T-back, C-string)
High coverage (Cheeky and T-back)

Or this?:

String thongs

Back	Sides
	Strap	Tie-side	Strapless
Low coverage			Maebari
Medium coverage
High coverage	Cheeky	T-back

Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Content submission - revised

Subject: Att. Sarah Stierch - re. Articles for Creation / Maloti Drakensberg Route (MDR) Ref. Nikki Tilley

Hello Sarah!

I am trying to help get the following accepted into Wikipedia.

As far as I can see, you declined the article on the 2nd June with the comments that it had too much “promotional language” and you also asked for more “reliable sources”. For instance you felt that claiming the route to be “great for birding” was promotional, but I see the wording was actually “significant birding” which is surely not the same? But I cannot find further communication after 2nd June and would like to re-ignite this thing!

Anyway I have also played around with the text a little and have hopefully removed some of the possible offending bits that slipped through the net. PLEASE have a look and let me know if there is anything else I/we need to do. We would so much love to get this in before the end of the month. Here it is:

article submission

The Maloti Drakensberg Route in Southern Africa incorporates two countries, South Africa and Lesotho, within which the Eastern Free State, the Eastern Cape Highlands and the uKhahlamba Drakensberg in KwaZulu-Natal are included. The Maloti Drakensberg Route (MDR) is a registered not-for-profit entity. This has come about due to collaboration between the Department of Tourism, the Lesotho Tourism Development Corporation, SAN Parks, Ezemvelo KZN Wildlife, Tourism Kwa-Zulu Natal, Free State Tourism, Eastern Cape Parks and Tourism Agency, The Maloti Drakensberg Transfrontier Programme and route patrons, N3 Toll Concession and AKTV. The Route encompasses a World Heritage Site, namely the uKhahlamba Drakensberg Park. It contains the world’s largest outdoor heritage art gallery of over 45,000 images of San Rock Art found at over 2000 sites. The Route has the world’s second highest waterfall, Tugela Falls, which drops 947m. , and Maletsunyane Falls, a single cataract on a tributary of the Orange River in Lesotho, 75 miles (121 km.) southeast of Maseru. With a drop of 630 feet (191 metres), it is one of the world’s highest waterfalls and is important to Lesotho as a tourist attraction. Paleontologists finds include the world’s oldest clutch of dinosaur eggs at Golden Gate Highlands National Park On 11 June 2001 the governments of the Kingdom of Lesotho and south Africa signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to establish the Maloti Drakensberg Transfrontier Conservation and Development Area,which covers about 13,000 sq. kms and includes the uKhahlamba Drakensberg World Heritage Site. The area has spectacular scenery and is an important centre of endemism for montane plant species. The mountains, with their highest peak Thaba Ntlenyana rising to 3,482 metres, are home to the world’s largest and most concentrated group of rock paintings in Africa south of the Sahara. There are some 600 known sites containing between 35 – 40,000 individual images painted by the San people over a period of at least 4,000 years. The area is furthermore the most important water catchment area for the people of Lesotho and South Africa. The Maloti Drakensberg Route is the only area south of the High Atlas Mountains in north Africa offering commercial snow skiing experiences; the world’s second largest basaltic upland area; Africa’s highest nature reserve accessible by vehicle; over 3,000 species of flora of which 16% are found nowhere else in the world. It hasone of the world’s most significant birding hotspots, some of the world’s most significant and award winning engineering achievements through the Lesotho Highlands Water Project.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.245.71 (talk) 11:46, 14 October 2013

You can request that the members at Articles for Creation look at your content again by clicking on the "resubmit" link on the entry for your page. However, it still seems to need a bit of work to me. The references are low quality, and don't prove notability particularly well. The language is still quite promotional in places as well.  drewmunn  talk  11:57, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I have two three comments on the proposed article. First, it ought to start by saying what it is about. Is it a road, or some kind of national park, or what? Second, There's suddenly a paragraph about "Maletsunyane Falls", with no evident relationship to the subject of the article. Third, that paragraph is a copyright violation of this. Maproom (talk) 12:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for unprotection

The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeri_Lilov was deleted in 2010 and protected from creation. Now, it has been updated/reviewed and exists under a different name (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Lilov). How is it possible unprotect the page, so it can be moved to it's original name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chesszorro (talk • contribs) 13:13, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Note: This was also made as a request to WP:RFPP here; I declined the request as this needs to be handled at WP:DELREV. Zad68 14:10, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hide Order of Battle list?

Big table

Unit Commander Complement Officers Other Ranks I Corps Général du Division Maréchal de France Comte Jean-Baptiste Drouet d'Erlon 19,357 44 guns 825 18,532 1st Division Général de Brigade Baron Joachim Jérôme Quiot du Passage (commanding in the absence of Allix) 4,182 177 4,005 1st Brigade Colonel Claude Charlet (acting Commander) 2,110 86 2,024 1er and 2e Bataillons, 54e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Claude Charlet 962 41 921 1er and 2e Bataillons, 55e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Jean-Pierre Monneret 1,148 45 1,103 2nd Brigade Général de Brigade Baron Charles-Francois Bourgeois 1,881 84 1,797 1er and 2e Bataillons, 28e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Marc-Antoine-Alexandre de Saint-Michel 898 42 856 1er and 2e Bataillons, 105e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Jean Genty 983 42 941 Division d'Artillerie 191 7 184 20e Companie 6e d'Artillerie a Pied Capitaine Hamelin 85 6x6lb guns & 2x5.5in howitzers 4 81 5/1er Train Squadron 106 3 103 2nd Division Général de Division Baron François-Xavier Donzelot 5,315 193 5,122 1st Brigade Général de Brigade Baron Nicolas Schmitz 2,930 104 2,826 1er, 2e and 3e Bataillons, 13e Régiment de Légère Colonel Pierre Gougeon 1,875 61 1,814 1er and 2e Bataillons, 17e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Chevalier Nicolas-Noel Gueurel 1,055 43 1,012 2nd Brigade Général de brigade Baron Aulard 2,200 85 2,115 1er and 2e Bataillons, 19e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Jean-Aimable Trupel 1,032 43 989 1er and 2e Bataillons, 51er Régiment de Ligne Colonel Jean-Antoine Rignon 1,168 42 1,126 Division d,Artillerie 185 4 181 10e Companie 6e d'Artillerie a Pied Capitaine Cantin 89 6x6lb guns & 2x5.5in howitzers 3 86 5/1er Train Squadron 96 1 95 3rd Division Général de Division Baron Pierre-Louis Binet de Marcognet 4,084 176 3,908 1st Brigade Général de Brigade Antoine Nogues 1,928 87 1,841 1er and 2e Bataillons, 21e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Jean-Nicolas-Louis Carre Wounded Colonel Nicholas-Placide Ledoux 1,040 44 996 1er and 2e Bataillons, 46e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Louis-Andre Dupre 888 43 845 2nd Brigade Général de Brigade Baron Jean-George Grenier 1,977 83 1,894 1er and 2e Bataillons, 25e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Jean-Joseph Gromety 974 40 934 1er and 2e Bataillons, 45e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Louis-Guillaume-Joseph Chapuzet 1,003 43 960 Division d,Artillerie 179 6 173 19e Companie 6e d'Artillerie a Pied Capitaine Emon 85 6x6lb guns & 2x5.5in howitzers 4 81 2/1er Train Squadron 94 2 92 4th Division Général de Division Comte Pierre François Joseph Durutte 4,034 161 3,873 1st Brigade Général de Brigade Chevalier Jean-Gaudens-Claude Pegot 2,126 77 2,049 1er and 2e Bataillons, 8e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Louis-Gabriel Hypolyte Ruelle 980 37 943 1er and 2e Bataillons, 29e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Etienne-Nicolas Rousselot 1,146 40 1,106 2nd Brigade Général de Brigade Jean-Louis Brue 1,731 80 1,651 1er and 2e Bataillons, 85e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Andre Pierre Masson 631 40 591 1er and 2e Bataillons, 95e Régiment de Ligne Colonel Jean-Baptiste Garnier 1,100 40 1,060 Division d,Artillerie 177 4 173 9e Companie 6e d'Artillerie a Pied Capitaine Bourgeois I 84 4x6lb guns & 2x5.5in howitzers 3 81 3/1er Train Squadron 93 1 92 1st Cavalry Division Général de Division Baron Charles-Claude Jaquinot 1,738 114 1,624 1st Brigade Général de Brigade Baron Adrien-Francois de Bruno 801 54 747 7e Régiment de Hussards Colonel Jean-Baptiste-Antoine-Marcellin Marbot 435 24 411 3e Régiment de Chasseurs-à-Cheval Colonel Anatole-Charles-Alexis de la Woestine 365 29 336 2nd Brigade Général de Brigade Baron Martin-Alexis Gobrecht 703 50 653 3e Régiment de Lanciers Légère (Light) Colonel Charles-Francois Martique 406 27 379 4e Régiment de Lanciers Légère Colonel Louis Bro 296 22 274 2e Companie 1er d'Artillerie a Cheval Capitaine Bourgoeis II 73 4x6lb guns & 2x5.5in howitzers 3 70 I Corps Artillery Reserve Général de Brigade Jean-Charles De Salles 88 4 84 11e Companie 6e d'Artillerie à Pied Captaine Charlet 6x6 lb guns & 2x5.5in howitzers 87 3 84

How can I make this list able to hide? I want to put a list of regiments in the battle of lesnaya. Imonoz (talk) 13:16, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hiding things like tables in actual articles is kind of awkward and should generally be avoided. You should just tidy up the table and display it normally. Scarce2 (talk) 13:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I thought of having it in the end of the article, without messing up so much. The reason I want it hidden is because it would take up so much of the article having 'two' lists of regiments for Sweden and Russia so hiding it would be the best option. Could you recommend me putting it in the end of the article? Also, which table is the best for regiments and such (showing names, strength, commanders and notes)? Imonoz (talk) 14:39, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Adding a photo to an infobox issues

Is there a file size to uploading a photo to the infoboxes? I have tried the formats and none of which seem to be working. I've tried:

[[File:Example.png|thumb|Caption text]] and
|image=[[File:Dan Cohen Wiki.png|thumb|Caption text]]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alliefendrick (talk • contribs) 13:49, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

It depends which infobox you are trying to use. For many, the correct syntax is just "image = Dan Cohen Wiki.png", without any "File" prefix or square brackets. There's more about this at Help:Infobox picture. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Some infoboxes require image syntax, others don't. Please see the documentation for the infox you are using. --  Gadget850 ^talk 14:07, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Adding references and citations

Hello all! I am having difficulties adding references and citations. When I add the citation html to the word/s in the text I with to cite, the [nr] appears but the word disappears from the copy. Does anyone please know what I am doing wrong? I want to be able to add the citation [nr] to words in the text and then add the source to the references list at the bottom. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jules J Foreman (talk • contribs) 14:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Whatever article you were working on, you didn't save the edits under this account, so I can't tell what you were trying to do. In general, you want to follow the text to be supported by a citation with a <ref></ref> pair, and inside those put the text of the citation, something like this:

This is a fact which needs a citation. <ref>''Enormous Compendium of Facts'' (2011) by J. Random Author, Reliable Press, University City p. 261</ref>

You will then need to use {{reflist}} in a Notes or References section near the bottom of the page. You could use one of the cite templates, such as {{Cite news}}, {{Cite book}}, or {{Cite web}}, to format the citairton in a standard manner, but this is not required.

See Referencing for beginners for more detail. DES ^(talk) 15:00, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Archive date for Australia's Pandora archive?

I've just fixed (in this edit) a dead link by adding "archiveurl" to a {{tl:cite web}} reference, and now the ref list includes the warning that "|archiveurl= requires |archivedate= (help)". The archive website is Pandora Australia's Web Archive, and it's not obvious to me how to get the archive date, or how else to fix the warning. Is there some reason why the date is "mandatory", if not all archive services provide the information?

For what it's worth, I found the archive link by:

1. Following the original (dead) link, which now takes me to http://www.archive.dbcde.gov.au/
2. Follow the link from http://www.archive.dbcde.gov.au/ to PANDORA (for ...brandis)
3. Search that Pandora page for the page title "35 per cent increase in funding for Australia's major performing arts companies"

Mitch Ames (talk) 14:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames: The archiveurl parameter is usually used when the archived copy was found off-site, like WebCite or the Wayback Machine (also archived there: [1]). When it's actually on the website, you it usually means the address was just moved, and you can just update the url parameter and not use archiveurl. ~HueSatLum 23:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Pandora is a different site to the original (Department of Broadband Communications and the Digital Economy, http://www.dbcde.gov.au, which now redirects to Department of Communications). Mitch Ames (talk) 12:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I would say update the link anyway (and the publisher); my rule of thumb is if it's on a dedicated archive site, use archiveurl, otherwise just change the link. ~HueSatLum 23:01, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Pandora is a dedicated archive site. From http://pandora.nla.gov.au/about.html (I've added the bold for emphasis)

PANDORA, Australia's Web Archive, is a growing collection of Australian online publications, established initially by the National Library of Australia in 1996, and now built in collaboration with nine other Australian libraries and cultural collecting organisations.

Perhaps the template help needs a bit more explanation as to what qualifies as an "archive". Mitch Ames (talk) 14:12, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

JUNKUNU DANCE

Junkanoo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Wikipedia,

It was not mentioned in your page that the Jankanoo "Junkunu" Dance is also a culture dance for the Garifuna people who currently reside in the countries of; Saint Vincent & the Grenadines, Dominica, Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Belize and the United States. In the Garifuna language the word Jankanoo means; "Wanaragua". They dance this dance during Christmas. New Years Day, the 6th of January and at their cultural shows.

One of the history of this dance was that there was a Slave Trader by the name of John Canoe who visited the coast of West Africa to get slaves and a sending off ceremony was held for him before the people left their country. The mask that is used for this dance is that of the White Man with his blue eyes.

Wellington C. Ramos Adjunct Professor of History Garifuna From: Dangriga Town, Belize — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasany451 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this, which could be cited in the article? Maproom (talk) 14:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

dele jegede edit

I have edited the article on dele jegede several times. I am dismayed to find out that all of that has disappeared! Is there any way that this can be retrieved? And how do I save work in progress? Thank you. bolekaja — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bolekaja (talk • contribs) 17:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

According to your edit history, the only two edits you have made under this user name are both to this help desk. The English Wikipedia does not have an article dele jegede so you cannot have edited it - where have you been editing? Another language of Wikipedia? Arjayay (talk) 18:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean User:Bolekaja/Dele Jegede? (See previous discussion.) ʍw 18:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

However, according to the history of User:Bolekaja/Dele Jegede, Bolekaja has never edited that page either, so I am not sure where they have been editing. Arjayay (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

According to the edit history of that sandbox, User:Cyphoidbomb very kindly established it after the OP uploaded the original draft to Commons as a PDF. I've left them a talkback in the hope that they will follow it back to this discussion, but will also leave them some guidance and links. - Karenjc (talk) 18:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Pool queue is full

Because there's no list of U.S. Representatives from New York, I decided to go to "it" and search for related pages. I got one page of normal results, but when I clicked the (next 20) link, I got no results, and the only thing that appeared was a message in red letters: "An error has occurred while searching: Pool queue is full." What happened, and what can I do differently next time? 2001:18E8:2:1020:523:670A:D406:CB0E (talk) 18:00, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

It is nothing you have done - there are just too many requests for the server to handle. Usually, if you just click back through the search again, the results will appear. Arjayay (talk) 18:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

There is no such list, because there are so many of them (over 2,000!). What you need to look at is Category:Members of the United States House of Representatives from New York. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I just found it at List of United States Representatives from New York; perhaps one of you could create the redirect? Anyway, my question was about the pool thing, not the absence of the list. Thank you to Arjayay for explaining what was happening. 2001:18E8:2:1020:523:670A:D406:CB0E (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done ~Charmlet ^-talk- 19:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit conflict question

I hit two edit conflicts while replying in the section immediately above this one, and the conflict was with Frze's response on the Rückgängig question. Since that was in a different section, why would I get an edit conflict? I edited the section about the pool; I didn't edit the whole page. 2001:18E8:2:1020:523:670A:D406:CB0E (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Editing a section still updates the whole page, and so can edit conflict with an edit elsewhere on the page. Samwalton9 (talk) 21:07, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

image upload etc question

Sorry for being dim, but help would be appreciated with the following: I've uploaded an image file which was of something I scanned, for use in mimeograph

• 1. A query has popped up in relation to the file, requesting a url, but given that I've just scanned it and uploaded it for WP I don't see why I need to also put it elsewhere.
• 2. The image is not appearing in mimeograph, just the text of the filename.
• 3. Is there a help page showing how to control size and placement of the image in the WP article?

Gravuritas (talk) 19:05, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

1. The tag was added by User:Sfan00 IMG. He probably could have chosen a better tag, but the point is that the source statement ("scanned") isn't sufficient. Did you personally create the printed document (the piece of paper with black-and-white images) that's on the left side of the picture? We understand that you created the scan, but things in pictures need to be freely licensed or in the public domain. This wouldn't be a problem if you took another scan after removing the piece of paper from the plastic flap. Of course, if that little diagram is freely licensed or in the public domain, it may be included, but you'll have to prove that it's freely licensed or in the public domain.
2. I don't think our software allows PDF images to appear in articles. I think you'll have to set your scanner to produce images in a different format (e.g. .png or .jpg or .tif), then rescan the image with that format and upload the new image.

Sorry that you'll have to redo something, but I don't think you have any choice. 2001:18E8:2:1020:523:670A:D406:CB0E (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks for making the process, the current status, and the path forward clear. I'll review the printed bit and sort it out.

Gravuritas (talk) 20:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Why do my edits keep getting deleted?

Hello,

Every edit or new content that I add to a page is eventually deleted? I include references and the information is still removed. Why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MorrisonKPR (talk • contribs) 19:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@MorrisonKPR: In this edit, you removed encyclopedic, sourced information and replaced it with promotional material. Wikipedia is not for promotional material. You also may not use Wikipedia for "public relations" purposes - which is something your username may imply. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 19:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Political Violence Page

How do I go about talking to someone about a friends ex co-worker listed on your page about Political Violence in Washington, D.C. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_political_violence_in_Washington,_D.C. Miriam's death was not Political Violence. Thanks Richard — Preceding unsigned comment added by RMJChurch (talk • contribs) 20:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll leave this for someone else to act on or not act on, but in my opinion and understanding of it, this may or may not be appropriate. On one hand she attempted to drive through a WH barrier and then raced towards the capitol, striking police cars along the way, but on the other hand nobody knows why she did it. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 21:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@RMJChurch: Hi, I've taken a look at the article and I think you've raised a good point. Based on the article's edit history, it looks like Jax 0677 merged the information from Miriam Carey's article into the "List of incidents..." article, probably as a result of an article about Miriam Carey being deleted. I agree that the write-up neglects to mention anything about her actions being "political", rather that she was suffering from mental illness. Since there are no sources presented to affirm a political motivation, I have deleted the entire write-up. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

the praia grande macau

209.166.162.3 (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC) F.Y.I. I HAVE A PRINT 37/200 BY t.allom TRIED TO LOOK IT UP ON YOUR WEB SITE . ITS NOT LISTED . YOU HAVE A DIRRERENT SPELLING THAN THE ORIGIONAL PRINT ."THE PRIA GRANDE MACAO" IS THE WAY ITS LISTED ON THE PRINT.

Hi, did you have a specific question about how to use Wikipedia? It's not clear from your post which article you are referring to. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

The Avenida da Praia Grande is listed along with other major roads in List of roads in Macau. If it's an old print, the name may well be different from the modern spelling. - Karenjc (talk) 19:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Help

I am looking for the address and phone number of the History Channel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.188.138.165 (talk) 21:59, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. ~HueSatLum 22:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@173.188.138.165: You might want to try the new resource "Google". You start by typing in what you're looking for, like this. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:10, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

guarding an article against malicious editing

Once an article is built or edited is there a way to guard it against malicious editing or changes being made to it by someone who has a particular agenda for the edits? Jmasiulewicz (talk)

If there is heavy and persistent vandalism or disruptive editing, the article can be semi-protected. Please see Wikipedia:Rough guide to semi-protection for what points administrators should usually consider before applying semi-protection. If the user in question has an autoconfirmed account, other measures will have to be taken into consideration. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 22:30, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@Jmasiulewicz: Hi, I haven't looked at any of the pages you've edited, but I think it's important to remember that one person's "agenda" is another person's "earnest edit". There will always be differences of opinion in collaborations, and page protection should only be requested in unambiguous cases of vandalism, persistent disruption, or edit-warring between other editors. Simply having a difference of opinion, or encountering an editor whose personality clashes with our own, won't cut it. There are other venues for content disputes: Article talk page first, then Request for comment, and in more extreme cases of belligerent editing, WP:AN/I. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the information; was very helpful. Jmasiulewicz (talk)