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About Wikipedia[edit]

How to make an article in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstar Siddharth (talk • contribs)

Start here: Wikipedia:Your first article. -- Rwessel (talk) 05:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Changing page name[edit]

How to change Wikipedia Page name?

The page name is wrong. There is written '2015 European Games', but the official name is 'Baku 2015 European Games'. 2015 European Games — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahinismayiov (talk • contribs)

Next to the 'view history' tab, there will be a 'more' tab. Hover your mouse over this and then click 'move', Uhlan talk 07:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In order to change the title of an article, it must be WP:MOVED. Dismas|(talk) 06:55, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(1) The "Move" option is only shown once an account has been registered for four days and has made ten edits. By chance, your account passed the four day mark just after you posted your question here.
(2) Before moving the page, have a look at Wikipedia:Official names. It may be better to discuss the move on the talk page first. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Possible COI issue[edit]

I am contemplating a Kickstarter project with rewards for helping me to acquire improved camera equipment. Am I allowed to offer the following reward for someone who donates $500 toward my project: "The option to choose the image that appears in the 2015 McDonald's All-American Boys Game WikiPedia article for a player of your choice from the finalists that I upload. Selection of player is in order of pledge. (Please note that if you make a bad choice other WikiPedians around the world may change the image from among the finalists that I post, but I will attempt to revert changes up to two times and argue on your behalf in WikiPedia content debates)."--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is an obvious COI in you promising to argue on behalf of someone regarding Wikipedia content in exchange for a donation. Though frankly, I can't see Kickstarter permitting this in the first place: "All rewards must have been produced or designed by the project or one of its creators" [1] Your 'reward' is neither produced nor designed by you, and you are in no position whatsoever to offer it - we don't give content decisions away as prizes, and given your COI, you would be violating guidelines in advocating any particular image. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
AndyTheGrump, I don't understand why a picture I take with equipment that they help me buy is not something that I produced. Suppose I had made the same offer for the 2014 McDonald's All-American Boys Game. Note that those images were selected by others via Talk:2014_McDonald's_All-American_Boys_Game#Image_choices and I advocate on behalf of the selection of others right now. I have produced all of those images with a Canon EOS Rebel T4i (a camera that uses the DIGIC 5 operating system and shoots only 5 frames per second). If they help me buy a Canon 7D Mark II (that uses DIGIC 6 and shoots 10 frames per second) and some new lenses, the reward would be produced by me as a result of the project. N.B. note that my $1000 reward is "Attend April 1, 2015 McDonald's All-American Game with me and observe me shooting the game for WikiPedia.", which I believe I can award without WPs consent.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The pictures may be produced by you. You do not have the power to award the selection of the picture in a Wikipedia article, because you do not have the power to control the selection. You can suggest, like any other editor, and you can insert a picture, which may remain, or may be immediately removed by another editor (and if it is known that you are purporting to be controlling the selection, for purposes unconnected with Wikipedia, I should say that it is almost certain that it will be removed, and very likely that you will be blocked for disruptive editing.) --ColinFine (talk) 15:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
ColinFine, I do make it clear in the reward offer that other wikipedians may override their selection and that I can only argue on their behalf. Can you explain to me how adding images to 2015 McDonald's All-American Boys Game would be any more disruptive than the images that I have added to 2014 McDonald's All-American Boys Game and 2013 McDonald's All-American Boys Game or how giving one person the option to make the selection is different than what was done at Talk:2014_McDonald's_All-American_Boys_Game#Image_choices when a few people made the selections?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would call that prostitution of Wikipedia, with you as the pimp. I respect the fact that you care about whether it's ok or not, rather than just trying to do it surreptitiously. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 08:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"I will edit war for your money. If that fails, I will engage in timewasting, pointless content dispute, regardless of what is best for Wikipedia, for your money." Nope. Will you be offering free camera equipment to anyone who takes your side in these content discussions? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
TenOfAllTrades, your threat of disruptive editing does not scare me. Can you please help me understand relevant policy. I have no doubt that the editors at WP:CBBALL and WP:BBALL will support having my images in 2015 McDonald's All-American Boys Game because there is no logical reason to forbit them. There is some possible contention regarding images in other types of articles such as College Basketball team articles, but people are free to do what is not best for wikipedia if they like.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"People are free to do what is not best for wikipedia if they like"? Actually, people who do things in return for financial reward, rather than because it is best for Wikipedia can and do get topic-banned, or blocked from editing entirely. Which is what is likely to happen in this case, should you continue with this ill-considered effort to exploit Wikipedia for personal gain. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
AndyTheGrump, I think you are missing the point. I am going to take pictures of the game for wikipedia, but it is probably best for wikipedia if I was using more modern and advanced equipment that would help me to take better pictures. Isn't it better for wikipedia to have higher quality images.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am not missing any point - you are proposing to exploit Wikipedia for personal gain. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What threat are you talking about? I just rephrased your offer. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
TenOfAllTrades, Your threat to edit war and engage in pointless dispute is a threat to be disruptive. Rephrasing would be changing the words to have the same meaning, which is not what you did. I have proposed to accept money to use for better camera equipment that I can employ for use on WP. You have rephrased to me giving away camera equipment. Surely you understand the difference between me being given money to use for camera equipment and me giving away camera equipment.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:23, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The only 'disruption' here is your continued insistence that you have the right to exploit Wikipedia for personal gain. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest focusing on the only important question, which is whether it is appropriate to allow people to buy influence as to Wikipedia content, regardless of the motive. So far, we have a 100% consensus that it is not, aside from you, Tony, and I wouldn't expect that to change much. You came here asking for opinions, and you got them. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 17:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • O.K. so I can not sell influence on WP, is it O.K. to offer the right to "Attend April 1, 2015 McDonald's All-American Game with me and observe me shooting the game"?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 17:39, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What if I phrase it as "Attend April 1, 2015 McDonald's All-American Game with me and observe me shooting the game for WikiPedia"?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:47, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Provided there is no implied influence as to content, I don't see how anyone could object to that. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 17:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well...as long as it is made clear that he is not attending as an official representative of Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation. He's a private citizen who has expressed an intent to donate some content to Wikipedia; there's no formal affiliation (is there?). Wikipedia has (presumably?) not endorsed, solicited, or sanctioned his trip, his activities there, nor – especially – his personal fundraising campaign. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:15, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, a nice long fine print legalese disclaimer might be in order. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 18:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are there issues with a project titled "TonyTheTiger, Wikipedian for the World" or use of the Wikipedia logo in the project? I believe the logo is PD, is it not?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:25, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The logo is not PD - see Wikipedia:Copyrights. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:29, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See also wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark policy. And if you're unclear, contact the Foundation directly, with a clear and specific explanation of how you would like to use the Foundation's marks. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And would imply an affiliation anyway, imo. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 18:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How is an 'offer to participate' in something that anyone can do anyway a reward? AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(ec)Well I am already offering the right to sit next to me. Plus I am promising to tell someone when and where a debate will occur.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:58, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Great idea for a lucrative new business opportunity. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 18:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's not as clear as the other propositions, but I still think it's too close a connection between Wikipedia and money. I wouldn't do it. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 19:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Amusing as this discussion is, your last suggestion of inviting people to participate seems to be okay only if you are not asking them to take your side, ie. you do not know their choice / views. That is a plain invitation to participate in wikipedia content and would probably be encouraged. For your current question, wikipedia editors do not give legal advise. --lTopGunl (talk) 20:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, my intention is to make an invitation to participate in a selection process like Talk:2014_McDonald's_All-American_Boys_Game#Image_choices for the 2015 game. I would not indicate my preferences and would solicit opinions. I will probably notify WP:CBBALL, WP:BBALL and anyone who has helped fund my project to purchase better camera equipment with a sufficient contribution. E.g., I might promise to invite someone to participate in the selection of the 2015 McDonald's All-American Boys Game article images if they contribute $250 to my project.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If any of the donors would know better, they would not need a donation to join the discussion. Doesn't make sense. But seems good by wikipedia. --lTopGunl (talk) 22:29, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you are asking whether you can legally do that, we can't answer the question here. If you are asking whether we think you should do it, I'd have to suggest that the response here is clear enough already - you shouldn't be doing anything which implies that you have any official connection with Wikipedia, or that you can do anything that other people can't do already without your assistance. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever you do, please don't capitalize the "p" in Wikipedia. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 22:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

see all picture in a content[edit]

hello,, i need a help.. I saw a picture in an article of range rover vehicle but i did not remember on which page.. I need that picture urgently.. So how can i search images on wikipedia..?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.160.119.232 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 18 November 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

If you can't remember the article, the next best thing might be to search through the categories of images of Range Rovers on Commons. See Commons:Category:Land Rover Range Rover. Dismas|(talk) 08:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You could do a Google images search restricted to wikimedia.org or wikipedia.org. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 16:48, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article has now gone as it was wrong. Please remove[edit]

Please note that this article has been removed by Kent online and has not been factually correct for some time. They have removed it - please remove from wiki. - Neil francis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neilfrancis (talk • contribs) 09:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article: Neil Francis (broadcaster) ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 09:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is the "this article" that has been removed? ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 09:29, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Considering OP's mention of "Kent Online", I would guess that they're talking about the second reference in the Neil Francis article. The reference, by the way, was an article that is no longer online. Dismas|(talk) 09:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I see. The Kent article is not archived at Wayback and I don't know how to check Webcite. So I guess the thing to do is delete the dead ref and keep the information with the one good one? ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 09:41, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I checked Wayback as well and didn't find it. I'm not sure what to do in these cases. Dismas|(talk) 09:47, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There are several other sources for this, but all appear to be very brief statements and I don't know how to check for WP:CIRC. The Radio Today source appears to be dated the day before the information was first added to the article. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 09:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Neilfrancis: My take is that there is no justification for removing the suspension from the article; is it sufficiently sourced in the Radio Today article. If you can provide a reliable source stating that the suspension was lifted, I think that could (and should) be added to the article. But please don't attempt to edit the article yourself, per Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 10:15, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have copied this discussion to the article's talk page for the record. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 10:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What are my options when I find that the link in a reference is dead?[edit]

(By coincidence, a recent discussion about Neil Francis (broadcaster) may partially answer my question, but I'll pose it anyway.) When I find that the link in a reference is dead, is my only option to remove the deadlink? Here is the article I'm working on: Max Ehrmann. The "Drummy, Deborah Curtis" reference here (reference 1) gives "Error code 404". I don't know how to search "Wayback", so hints about that could be useful. But also, if the "Drummy, Deborah Curtis" reference is not available through "Wayback", is there a way to "mark" this reference, to alert others editors to the problem? (By the way, I have a located another reference which could serve reasonably well as a replacement, or supplement, for the the "Drummy, Deborah Curtis" reference. I plan to add this other reference eventually, in any case.) Thanks CWBoast (talk) 17:01, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One thing that you should not do is to blindly remove the dead link. You'll see some advice at Wikipedia:Link rot. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Wikipedia:Link rot article is just what I needed to read, to make progress on the Max Ehrmann article. However, after my edits today I am confused about one more thing. I thought I might see something like "Archived from the original on June 27, 2009." show up in the Deborah Curtis Drummy reference (and it did show up). But I thought that my including "|deadurl=yes" would result in different behavior: namely, I'm surprised that the words "the original" in that statement are a link. I don't understand what function is served by linking to an "Error code: 404" message. (I probably don't understand the role of the deadurl parameter.) What function does the "deadurl" serve? Thanks CWBoast (talk) 21:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The "original" link is in case the deadlink is resurrected, in which case deadurl could be changed back to "no". The main thing with deadurl=yes is that the citation title links to the archive version (archiveurl), and that's the link that the reader will usually click. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 21:15, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alumni[edit]

Angelo Fields from Wilson High School was drafted to the Houston Oilers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.82.32.13 (talk) 17:59, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can edit the article, which is Woodrow Wilson High School (Washington, D.C.), or request the edit at Talk: Woodrow Wilson High School (Washington, D.C.). Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have added Angelo Fields to the article. If you have a reliable source for his year of graduation (not in his own article) (probably 1976, but that is a guess), you can add it to his article and the list of alumni. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of notable people[edit]

By the way, is it correct that people should only be included in lists of notable people (alumni, people from towns) if they are considered notable in Wikipedia terms of having their own articles? I found someone listed in the list who doesn't have an article and put his name in red links and put the comment on the talk page that he probably should either be deleted or have an article created. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:52, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If that's true, List of Sheriffs of London needs serious trimming. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 22:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's a different situation. A reasonable argument could be made that the office of Sheriff of London is inherently notable, so that any person who has held that office can have an article if there is enough information beyond their name and year of service. (Someone could red-link all of the names in the list or create stubs about all of them, but that might be a case of disrupting Wikipedia to make a point.) Being an alumnus of a particular high school or having been born in a particular town does not establish notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In List of Lord Mayors of London, most of the names are red-linked, an indication that an article is in order if there is sufficient documentation. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:54, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, good points, and it's a question certainly worth answering, but I'm not aware of existing guideline. If discussion is needed, there might be more participation at WP:VPP. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 05:33, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Help Wanted Ad[edit]

Hello,

I am looking to post a help wanted ad for a special event/Roadshow at BJ's in Waterford, Ct. Is this something that can be done on this site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.156.225 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 18 November 2014‎

No, not remotely. This is an online encyclopaedia, not a platform for free advertising. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(Or paid advertising) ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 22:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mobile wikipedia layout[edit]

My career is as a web developer and I'm interested in improving the ease and usability of the default mobile layout of the wikipedia website web viewed on mobile devices. Is Wikipedia open to such contribution and if so how would I go about it?

My question pertains to the default layout, not merely a personal hack on my own account.

Thx. David Condrey log talk 21:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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