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April 6

Wade Phillips

my name is not Allen--My first name is Harold but I have I have always gone by my middle name --Wade I wish you would correct this on my Wiki page--Wade Phillips — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.192.51 (talk) 01:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@67.177.192.51: The web-based evidence isn't clear either way. I see that your own website supports your claim, but we can't use that as a reliable source. There are sources that might pass the RS test that support your claim, including this one. There are others that dispute your claim, but at least some of them have clearly taken their information from the Wikipedia article. Since the article does not currently provide a reference for "Wade Allen Phillips" , (a debatable source is better than no source at all) I will change it to "Harold Wade Phillips" using the above source as a reference, and see if it flies. It would help tremendously if you could provide a more authoritative reference. ―Mandruss ☎ 01:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I have also copied this thread to the article's talk page. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:03, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@Mandruss: Could you explain to me why we can't necessarily use a person's own web site to reference their name? I can understand if they made big claims like winning major awards but for their own name? Is this just your reading of something like WP:PRIMARY or some other guideline? (my apologies if my series of questions makes this feel unnecessarily accusatory) Dismas|^(talk) 02:03, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

It's my interpretation of WP:SELFPUB. Mr. Phillips may not have written the HTML for that page, but he no doubt had a lot to say about its content and I wouldn't expect the site's owners to be entirely objective about its subject. I could certainly be wrong, I'm not a BLP expert. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:COI might also apply. Actually it's a better match for my reasoning than SELFPUB. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

How can someone possibly have a conflict of interest in getting their name right? AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

As I said, I'm not a BLP expert. There are various reasons one might want to get his name wrong that are not compatible with Wikipedia principles. If WP:COI applies strictly to doing one's own edits, then it wouldn't apply. Anyway, if using his website as the source is within policy, anyone please do so or just say so and I'll do it. ―Mandruss ☎ 02:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Weird Template Question

I think that this is a template question. I went to the article Religion in Pakistan. It displays weirdly, with a tag of <noinclude> . Then there is some display, and then </noinclude> . I wondered if I should try to fix the weird display in the article, and tried to edit the source. I saw that there wasn’t anything in the article itself that would cause the weird display. After some further editing, I concluded that the weird display has to do with every article that references the template Template: Culture in Pakistan. So my question is what should I do next if anything about getting a weird display, that will look weird to the readers, and we have to consider the readers as well as us editors/writers?

One possibility would be to post to the talk page of the template, Template talk: Culture in Pakistan, but there has, until now, been nothing there, so I am not optimistic that I will get anyone’s attention. I could go ahead and edit the template to take out the noinclude tags. I don’t want to do that unless that will work. I can go ahead and post to the template talk page, but I don’t think that anyone will answer. I would like to do something because a lot of articles in mainspace really display weirdly because of this weird template thing.

I think that I have a question about a template that is causing multiple articles in article space to display weirdly.

Robert McClenon (talk) 03:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Dunno but it's probably caused by this edit. A revert would probably be a safe bet. ―Mandruss ☎ 03:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's got to be it: I boldly reverted it. —teb728 t c 03:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC) I see the anon made the same mistake with their next edit: I left them a note on their talk page. —teb728 t c 04:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

That was a recent edit. That explains why no one previously had noticed. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:34, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Logging in

I'm getting tired of having to log in every thirty days. Can't there be a cookie that lasts longer, like ten years? 73.190.63.125 (talk) 03:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@73.190.63.125: I assume there are good reasons, technical or otherwise, for the 30-day limit. In any case, this page is for questions about how to use and edit Wikipedia, not for proposals for changes, which are best handled at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Good luck. ―Mandruss ☎ 03:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

translation

how can I get the translation of a sentence in German language to English — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.157.168.101 (talk) 05:59, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Try using a service like Google Translate or ask your question at the language Reference Desk. Scarce2 (talk) 06:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Cite web templates

Hello. When using {{cite web}} templates, where can I find clarification on what should be "work" and what should be "publisher", when it is something published online? Thanks, C679 06:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Cloudz679: You can find more information on using the template on the template's documentation, located at Template:cite_web. For the cite_web template, we actually replace the work parameter with website (but they are essentially the same thing). A work can refer to the magazine, newspaper, website, etc. that hosts the work you are referencing, while the publisher is the company or entity that publishes said work. For example, if you were to cite the CIA World Factbook, you might list the work as "The World Factbook", and list the publisher as "The Central Intelligence Agency." Sometimes the two might overlap, and it's not always necessary to fill in both fields. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 06:35, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Confirmed User

how do i become a Confirmed User? cause i need it to make my user page.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardin015 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:CONFIRM: "...most English Wikipedia user accounts that are more than four days old and have made at least 10 edits are considered autoconfirmed." It looks like you've hit 10 edits since writing this message. Scarce2 (talk) 10:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

You have 10 edits but still need three more days to become autoconfirmed. What do you want to do that you think requires being confirmed? If you want to upload a file then please say which file for which purpose. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Uploading a image to my User page and anywhere else to upload a image.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardin015 (talk • contribs) 05:09, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Hardin015: You might find what you are looking for at Wikipedia:Uploading images where it tells how to upload an image to be used on Wikipedia, and then how to display it. Note that in order to upload an image, a user account must be at least four days old. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask here. After you write your note, please add four tildes (~~~~) to tell us your user name.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  05:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

pvd

can we coated the alumina based ceramic cutting tools by dimond/dimond like carbon by pvd method? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.139.208.66 (talk) 06:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Not entirely sure what you're asking but it doesn't appear to be about using Wikipedia, so you're not asking it in the right place. Try asking it at the reference desk. Scarce2 (talk) 10:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Help with reference for John C. Lechleiter

Hi i don't think I will be able to figure out how to get the reference "Put the Moose on the Table" by Randall Tobias Indiana University Press, copyright 2003, done properly. I'm hoping I can get someone of you to do it for me. Thanks, and sorry also. -Richard Peterson2601:7:6580:5E3:F53F:67C0:35A6:6BFF (talk) 08:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hit the edit link and you'll see something that says "Cite" in the editor toolbar. Click it and from the "Templates" menu select "cite book". Just fill out the primary data points (just title, first and last name, and the relevant page number should do). Scarce2 (talk) 10:11, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but I clicked cite and didn't see a "templates" menu at all.2601:7:6580:5E3:A9A1:D15F:3C:D35A (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

The top of the editing screen looks about like the image below. In the editing window, click on "Cite" which is on the top right and the second line will appear. Then click on the word "Templates" which is on the left of the new line and a list of citation forms will appear below it. Then choose "cite book". I hope that works for you.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  19:20, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

picture identification: circle inside circle search for what others are telling me are orbs in my pictures.. Can someone who loves Jesus Christ help me please?

I am doing research trying to find out about what is meant by "circle inside circle as I have several pictures that look like circles inside of circles. I was referred to Ezekiel, but I don't have a clue what this passage of the bible is talking about. I am sorry to confess that I am not very computer literate and don't have a clue as to what I am doing or what it is that you want me to do? Perhaps it would be beneficial for me to create an account with you folks.

This is all I have discovered yet except I don't know how to make reference to this discovery other than writing out this text and telling you where i found it initially. "A lot of writers have called Ezekiel's wheels a classic UFO incident. Why isn't this in the article? Are fundamentalist christian editors keeping it out? --76.115.67.114 (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.134.40 (talk)

Does your question refer to a Wikipedia article? If it does, it might help if you told us which one. (I do not believe that fundamentalist christian editors have excessive influence here on Wikipedia.) Maproom (talk) 09:31, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

At a guess, Merkabah Mysticism might be the article, but I still don't have any clue what is being asked. CaptRik (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

The copied 2011 signature is from Talk:Merkabah mysticism#UFOs in The Bible. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

wiki page

i need to create wikipedia page please help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.36.74 (talk) 09:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@180.215.36.74: If you mean that you want to create a Wikipedia article, a good place to start is Wikipedia:Your first article. I wouldn't recommended article creation as your first Wikipedia activity, it helps a lot to just edit existing articles for awhile and learn some basics before tackling article creation. I dropped some starter information on your talk page. ―Mandruss ☎ 09:57, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

iam world record holder and many news link i have about me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.36.74 (talk) 11:14, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Writing an article about yourself is strongly discouraged: see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for why. If there are indeed substantial articles about you (not just listings or passing mentions) then Wikipedia could have an article about you, but written by somebody else. If that is that case, I suggest you post a request at requested articles, with some of the references that establish that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Always copyright

Hi,

every time i post article about a person your robot delete this and said that this already used in his social profile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tipsclick (talk • contribs) 11:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, if you copy text from any website it is likely to be picked up by either a bot or a human, and deleted as copyright. Furthermore, if you are copying from someone's "social profile" this is unlikely to be considered a reliable source because it is not a reliable, independent source. Please read Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:COPYOTHERS. What you write must be in your own words, and cited to a reliable source - Arjayay (talk) 12:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

wikipedia app & saved pages

It would be really nice to be able to add tags to saved pages. When doing research, I may save several dozen pages in several disciplines. Without a tag, it makes it difficult to review pages by subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.117.121 (talk) 13:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Requests for new features in the software aren't really on topic here: the Village pump is a better fit. I'm not sure quite what you mean by "saved pages"; but one thing you could do is, either on your user page, or on a sandbox (user sub-page) for the purpose, maintain a list of wikilinks to the pages you're interested in. You would need to edit your user page or subpage to add pages to the list, but you could categorise them any way you wanted. --ColinFine (talk) 17:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Editing the Azamara Club Cruises Page

I would like to update the page to read the below.

Please let me know how I can move forward with making this happen.

Thanks! Alicia

collapsing requested text.--ukexpat (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Overview Founded in 2007 and rebranded in 2009, Azamara Club Cruises has earned a loyal following of discerning up-market travelers and won dozens of top travel awards. Today the company is recognized for its focus on Destination Immersion,® made possible with longer stays, more overnights and night touring, and engaging onboard lifestyle. In great destinations around the world, Azamara guests stay to enjoy rich experiences of local life after other ships sail away in late afternoon. Tourist crowds thin and the pulse of life quickens as restaurants, bars and clubs fill up and music, theater and dance halls open their doors. This is when real local culture often shines brightest, and Azamara guests get to be part of it. Life onboard an Azamara voyage is a unique experience too, with a warm and welcoming club-like atmosphere and service that’s always cordial. Azamara guests may come for the destinations, but they return for the award-winning staff and crew who make them feel at home anywhere on earth. Leadership Travel industry veteran Larry Pimentel has been president and CEO of Azamara Club Cruises since 2009. Known for building successful cruise lines and brands, he’s also one of the industry’s most popular educators and speakers on marketing to affluent travelers. Before joining Azamara Club Cruises, he was president and CEO of SeaDream Yacht Club, Cunard Line and Seabourn Cruise Line. He was previously president and CEO of Classic Hawaii, a tour operating company. Ship and guest profile Azamara Club Cruises operates two mid-sized ships, the Azamara Journey® and Azamara Quest,® each carrying up to 686 guests at full capacity. The company serves an up-market segment of international travelers, with approximately 45% from North America, about 20% from the UK&I, 10% from Australia & New Zealand and the remaining guest mix from other countries around the world. Guests tend to be curious and well traveled, and as a whole are eager to explore new destinations and cultures. Azamara’s staff, crew and headquarters team are equally international, hailing from more than 60 nations. Gracious onboard life Azamara is known for onboard hospitality, attentive service, and a playful spirit that adds to the joy of travel. The ships’ intimate size fosters a feeling of community. Staff and crew quickly learn guests’ names and interests, and guests develop easy friendships with each other and with their favorite bartenders, waiters and attendants. Azamara officers are a big part of ship life, frequently joining guests on deck, in dining rooms, and at social events. Complimentary amenities Generosity is the norm on Azamara voyages. Onboard hospitality includes complimentary select standard spirits, beer and wine, gratuities, bottled water, soft drinks, specialty coffees and teas, English butler service for suite guests, self-service laundry, shuttle service to and from most port communities, and concierge services for personal guidance and reservations. A complimentary AzAmazing EveningsSM event is also included on most voyages. Creative itineraries Azamara Club Cruises annually offers 60 to 70 voyages featuring classic and less-traveled destinations in Asia and Indonesia, North, South and Central America, the West Indies, Northern Europe (including the British Isles, Scandinavia, Norwegian Fjords and Baltic Sea), Western Europe and the Mediterranean. Azamara also periodically sails to Antarctica and will begin visiting Australia in late 2015. Sailing on mid-sized ships enables guests to visit smaller, less-traveled ports and explore rivers, fjords and bays that are off-limits to larger vessels. Guests also reap the advantages of prime docking locations close to town centers, shopping and nightlife. Awards and honors Azamara Club Cruises has won dozens of honors and awards including best service, best value, best overall experience and best cruise line from the likes of Travel & Leisure, Conde Nast Traveler, and Cruise Critic (the world’s largest online community of cruise travelers). The company has also won top honors from the UK Cruise Critic Cruisers’ Choice Awards including best overall, best dining, best service, best value-for-money and more. Guest satisfaction ratings are among the industry’s highest, with many guests pointing to the outstanding onboard experience. A CLOSER LOOK AT THE AZAMARA EXPERIENCE Destination Immersion Azamara Club Cruises is devoted to the idea that the greatest pleasure of travel is connecting with cultures and people through authentic experiences. With more time in port, the possibilities are multiplied. Azamara guests often have time to visit nearby towns and countryside. Plus, they get to experience a completely different side of local culture at night, such as elegant dining in Saint-Tropez, nightclubs in Ibiza, night markets in Hong Kong, and music clubs in Rio de Janeiro. They have options for overnight excursions to inland cities like Berlin, Madrid and Moscow, and trips to UNESCO World Heritage sites like Bagan and Angkor Wat that require full days or longer. Complimentary AzAmazing Evenings are a unique experience of cultural immersion. Offered on most voyages, these exclusive, bespoke events showcase authentic cultural entertainment to guests in remarkable venues like French chateaux, Caribbean gardens, Spanish forts, Russian ballet halls and Roman amphitheaters. Azamara’s optional small-group Land Discoveries offer an up-close experience at every port. Guests can follow their interests in arts and culture, food and wine, guided historic tours, hiking, kayaking, biking, and more. New Insider Access Land Discoveries facilitate small-group visits to private homes, estates and farms, where welcoming hosts bring local traditions to life through a shared meal, dialogue and exchange of ideas. Nights and Cool Places are small-group tours that highlight arts, architecture and scenery after nightfall, perhaps as part of a private river tour or museum tour. For those who love exploring on their own, concierge guidance and reservations is always complimentary. Unique onboard environment Boutique-style accommodations. Onboard accommodations are similar to a favorite European boutique hotel, with fine bed linens, French bath products, plush towels, robes and slippers and 24-hour room service. Suite guests enjoy English butler service as well. Fine dining and wines. Dining choices include five restaurants, from casual to elegant, plus 24-hour room service. Two specialty restaurants (included for suite guests, small surcharge for others) feature Italian cuisine with a contemporary twist and classic steakhouse fare. Dining is enhanced by an international Wine Cellar stocked with distinguished vintages and small production wines. Other options (for added cost) include an elegant champagne and caviar bar and exclusive Chef’s Table that pairs multiple courses with fine wines. Evening entertainment. Evening entertainment ranges from an elegant nightclub to a big stage show or favorite bar stool. The Cabaret Lounge features professional musical revues; the Looking Glass Lounge is an elegant bar with dancing to live music or DJ-spun tunes; and Casino Luxe offers blackjack, poker, slot machines and more. Another favorite evening gathering place is Mosaic Café, where guests can relax with drinks and enjoy live after-dinner music. Spa, health and wellness. A full service spa and salon help guests look and feel their best. Options include exclusive body, facial and massage treatments, health and wellness consultations, acupuncture and a full menu of salon services. All treatments are delivered by certified professionals. Fitness center. Guests will find modern equipment and spectacular views in Azamara’s 24-hour fitness center. Voyages feature a selection of complimentary yoga, nutrition and training classes, and guests can also opt for one-on-one sessions with a personal trainer (for added cost). In sum: A high value experience of destination-focused travel and club-like hospitality Longer stays with a focus on Destination Immersion and authentic cultural experiences, inclusive amenities, complimentary AzAmazing Evenings, and a warm, club-like onboard atmosphere make Azamara Club Cruises a standout value for up-market travelers. Azamara Club Cruises is a member of the Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. family of cruise lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amc5567 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment - I have removed the same promotional text from the talk page of Azamara Club Cruises which itself is already tending to be over promotional. But this query needs a more diplomatic response than I can muster  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   14:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia and, per WP:NOTADVERTISING, "content hosted in Wikipedia is not for advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment of any kind". C679 15:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

And having Googled just one sentence here it is a copyvio as well - Arjayay (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

How do I edit the Spouse(s) category in the person Infobox?

Hi, I would love to remove the (s) in Spouse(s) for the persons infobox. Could it show Spouse instead?

This is really important D:

˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.127.246.232 (talk) 15:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

You will need to start a discussion here Template talk:Infobox person. MarnetteD|Talk 15:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

There is already a discussion at Template talk:Infobox person#Plural/singular input options. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Edit summary

If you save a section, would /*Example*/ be counted as an edit saved with a summary? --Buffaboy ^talk 18:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Buffaboy: All that would indicate is that you edited the section called "Example". I wouldn't consider that adequate for having an edit summary, as it doesn't actually state what you changed. /*Example*/ Added information on event A. would be an example of a good summary. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Good point, thanks. Buffaboy ^talk 18:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Actually I just did it now! Buffaboy ^talk 18:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

List of Catholic saints

There is something wrong with this list, as it is full of people who have been proposed for sainthood at the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, while it does not include actual saints (who are present at the list of canonizations). Is a clean-up possible?--The Theosophist (talk) 18:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Probably best to discuss this at Talk:List of Catholic saints where those interested in such matters are more likely to respond.--ukexpat (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Be bold and cut 'em out. And give the reason on the talk page. Tarcil (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Birthday

I noticed on TV that the founder of Wikipedia had two birthdays, his actual - August 7 I think, and August 8 - the date on his birth certificate, I thought I was the only one with that problem. I was actually born on April 19, 1935 and my birth certificate says April 20, 1935. I died not know there were two of that got to celebrate twice each year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.209.68.85 (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Merging Articles

I want to propose that Behavioral optometry be merged with Vision therapy, but I don't know how to propose it. Who can help? Lou Sander (talk) 21:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

There are instructions at Wikipedia:Merging that can guide you through the process. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  01:04, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Replicant

Reference help requested. Hello. A few days ago I did a rather extensive edit to Replicant. ReferenceBot posted to my talk page that my edit may have introduced a citation error involving the | character, and could I go and "fix the errors highlighted". Reading the article, there are no highlighted errors. I do see that Citation Bot edited the article and changed a character in a citation from ":" to "=".

Is ReferenceBot complaining about the citation issue that has been fixed now by Citation Bot? If not, how can I easily see what ReferenceBot is complaining about, exactly? TIA - Tarcil (talk) 21:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Tarcil (talk) 21:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@Tarcil: Yes, ReferenceBot was complaining about the problem that was fixed by Citation bot the next day. Click a time stamp in the page history [1] to see how the page looked at that time. Your version had an error message in reference 4. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Tarcil (talk) 23:31, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Question about internal links

What is the article that has more internal blue links to other articles? 191.185.210.134 (talk) 23:14, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you want to know what article in Wikipedia has more internal links than any other article? Do any of the other editors here know of a tool that can answer that question? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't but I'd be surprised if it's not a list article. Dismas|^(talk) 10:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

It's not listed at Wikipedia:Wikipedia records#Links. Looking at a few pages at Special:LongPages, List of United States counties and county equivalents has thousands of different wikilinks but it probably isn't a record. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:59, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

world war 1

article about graham brothers from central otago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.231.47 (talk) 23:22, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

It isn't clear what article you are asking about, and we don't know what question you want to ask about the article. Since this is the only edit made from your IP address, we cannot even guess from your history what article you are asking about. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Linking to another page

I have been working on the historic sites in Michigan. Some of the listings have separate pages and I would like to link them. If I look at others that have been linked, there is no link address in the edit area. I can't figure out how this linking is done. For example. I would like to link this reference:

List of Michigan State Historic Sites#Newaygo County

Railroad Depot to

Grant Depot and Water Tower

Wingerham52 (talk) 23:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

• @Wingerham52: I'm having trouble understanding what exactly it is that you want to do. If you want link to an article from an article, wrap the text that you want to link with [[ ]]. For example [[Bill Clinton]] will link to Bill Clinton. --Gaff (talk) 00:05, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

@Wingerham52: If you're asking what I think you're asking, you want to use a pipe. See this edit where I did what I think you were trying to do. See WP:PIPE for more. Dismas|^(talk) 00:08, 7 April 2015 (UTC)