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November 4

REPORTING ADMINS

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO REPORT AN ABUSIVE ADMIN??

MANY TIMES, I HAVE HAD ONE PARTICULAR ADMIN PERSONALLY TARGETING ME BY DELETING MY EDITS WHEN I AM 100% SURE THEY ARE FOLLOWING COMMUNITY GUIDELINES! PLEASE HELP! I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.246.228 (talk) 01:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey, could you please signify which account you made the edits on? I want to have a look at them and check, as there are probably some guidelines you are unaware of. Jjamesryan (talk) 01:45, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) First, please stop shouting. Typing in all caps is never a good thing. Second, what exactly are you talking about? Your IP address contributions have only shown the edits here. Are you talking about people undoing your edits? Or are you talking about a deleted article? Unless you give us more information, we can't really help you. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:47, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Your IP address contributions have only shown the edits here: Only wikiadmins can see deleted edits. Since I am not an admin I am not able to tell if the Original Poster has made edits which have since been deleted and if so by whom. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
    • This is a nonsensical thread initiated by the IP. That said, the IP has no deleted contributions.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:38, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
• Stop SHOUTING. Typing in ALL CAPS on the Internet is considered shouting and is rude. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:47, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

MCQ question about file upload wizard

A user at WP:MCQ#Permission from email asks why the file upload wizard has an trick option for permission on Wikipedia only. (I have wondered the same thing.) The question is obviously not in scope for MCQ, but I don’t know where to refer her. —teb728 t c 05:27, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I guess I didn't actually ask a question: So, is there a good place to ask about this feature of the file upload wizard and maybe request it removal? —teb728 t c 09:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard has a navbox with a "Discuss" link to Wikipedia talk:File Upload Wizard. Many uploaders give false license claims to make the upload go through. I guess the option is a measure against that. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I will refer the MCQ OP to your reply. —teb728 t c 13:55, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Take Ownership Of Page?

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk,

My name is Patrick Mac Manus and I work at Loyola College, Watsonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loyola_College,_Melbourne). I am wondering if companies, such as Loyola College, can take ownership of pages and be given exclusive editing rights to the page so that way malicious content cannot be added?

Regards,

Patrick Mac Manus ICT Technician Loyola College

08:49, 4 November 2015 (UTC)08:49, 4 November 2015 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patmac251188 (talk • contribs)

• @Patmac251188: No that would go against the very foundation that Wikipedia is built on. See WP:OWN. Nobody owns any page. Anyone can make any edit to any page at any time. If you find vandalism you are invited to remove it however nobody will be granted exclusive rights over any page. --Stabila711 (talk) 08:54, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you for your reply Stabila711. - patmac251188 Patmac251188 (talk) 08:57, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No, you most certainly can't. See WP:Ownership of content. You are in general the last people who should be editing the page, see WP:conflict of interest, though nobody is likely to object if you were to revert blatant vandalism. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Patmac251188's only edit to the article was to comment off two "notable alumni" on the suspicion that they were not alumni. This seems reasonable to me, despite his conflict of interest, as he is in a better position to check than we are. However it is now moot – I have deleted them both as they were not notable. Maproom (talk) 09:29, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

though one of them, Kamay, was in fact an alumnus. Maproom (talk) 14:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Lupton family

Please help - 2 things. Ref 103 on this page SHOULD be presented as being from the publication: Haper's Bazaar. Can you please add that title into the ref (and also keep the quote inserted as part of the ref.) There is also something wrong with ref number 105? Thanks so much101.189.46.214 (talk) 11:09, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lupton_family&oldid=689011375#References
Is it okay now...? --CiaPan (talk) 11:18, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

New article Bull TV comedy

Hi I have been trying to create a page for a uk tv comedy called Bull (2015 TV series) (there is a same named programme in the USA) and I have received this message below, and I have absolutely no clue how to fix it or what to do.

"This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources" SimDiago (talk) 15:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@SimDiago: It means that an editor has requested, by placing the tag there, that they think the article would be improved if there were more references to sources such as magazine articles, web sites, newspaper articles, etc. which discuss the show. Dismas|^(talk) 16:59, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, SimDiago. That is a message which has been added manually by an editor (you can look at the article's history to see who) and may be removed by any editor when they think that the problem has been fixed. The problem is that there are no independent sources. While the references are to reliable sources, and the citations are formatted correctly, both the sources are clearly regurgitations of a press release. Wikipedia has almost no interest in what the subject of an article (or their associates) have to say about the subject: an article should be nearly 100% based on what people unconnected with the subject have published about it. If you can find a substantial independent piece of writing about it (such as a review) then it can ground the article; if you cannot, then the subject is not at present notable in Wikipedia's special sense, and no article about it, however written, will be acceptable at present. --ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Changing name of page from Denver Montclair International School to International School of Denver

Hello,

I work for the International School of Denver, formerly the Denver Montclair International School. I have made some edits on the Montclair page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Montclair_International_School) to represent this name change; however I cannot figure out how to change the actual name of the page from Denver Montclair International School to the International School of Denver. Can someone help me do this? Or do I need to create an entirely new page, and then somehow have people that search "Denver Montclair" be redirected?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callynisd (talk • contribs)

Done - Hello @Callynisd:, I have moved the page for you (uncontroversial rename). Please see also WP:COI for more information about editing Wikipedia with a "conflict of interest". Auto-confirmed users (after 10 edits and 4 days) can do uncontroversial page moves, or anyone can request such a move at WP:move requests. GermanJoe (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Wapsite

Why my wikipedia account does not shown in google — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flamegang7630 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

You would have to ask google. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:53, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@Flamegang7630: Maybe we can answer if you give a link to the page you want to see in Google, and to the Google search or page where you want to see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:33, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@Flamegang7630: Right now you have an account here but no user page. So, that wouldn't show until you create it. And your sandbox page, by default, is not indexed by Google. So that won't show up either. That said, Wikipedia is not a web host, so if you're looking to post something about yourself and have Google find that then I think you might have an incorrect idea of what Wikipedia is. We're here to build an encyclopedia. Not to draw attention to our own user pages. Dismas|^(talk) 16:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Merging pages

If there is a discussion about merging two pages how is a consensus established. The assertion is that the two pages have significantly duplicate comment.

Is it OK to merge two pages for content based reasons, e.g. to merge pages of an organization that one does not like.

Is there a central repository on Wikipedia where suggestions for page mergers can be discussed so that decisions are not content based.

If a person proposes the merger, and another person object, is it enough for the person to say that that person is not neutral for their comment to be dismissed.

How does Wikipedia arbitrate such issues and do administrators get involved and can they be contacted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BC73:E3B0:A0AA:B4A:AA05:733D (talk) 17:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

This appears to be about whether to merge Live Action (organization) and Lila Rose. The discussion at Talk: Live Action (organization) appears to be inconclusive. I would suggest that a Request for Comments be used to get community input. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key

The name of the article is : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Labs I found the error message saying that "Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "Nasdaq" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page). Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "Nasdaq" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page)." though the term, "Nasdaq", is only used once in the article. It means that it was not used multiple time for different definitions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naree66 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

In the error messages the words "help page" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:53, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@Naree66: Error messages are about the source code of the page and not the rendered page. The source editor shows five <ref name=Nasdaq> in the infobox code. In VisualEditor you have to edit the infobox to see it. VisualEditor will often be poor to fix syntax erors. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:47, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Omission of Disley Golf club on the Disley page

Hi. Would it be possible to add "Disley golf club" to the page about "Disley" ( Cheshire) There is reference to a golf club that only lasted 30 years but Disley golf club has been a part of the village since 1889 and is still open today. Its address is on Stanley Hall lane.

Below is a transcript from the golf clubs home page. http://www.disleygolfclub.co.uk/home.aspx?i=no

'Disley Golf Club welcomes you to this traditional Club where golf has been played for over 125 years. The Club is situated ten miles from Manchester on the very edge of the Peak District. The views from all aspects are truly breathtaking, and on a clear day over eight counties can be seen. This parkland, moorland course is a good test for all abilities with, some say, the finest greens in Cheshire.

Formed in 1889 this mature parkland golf course is set amongst the stunning countryside on the Cheshire and Derbyshire border . The 6002 yard, par 70, golf course has been self titled “the jewel of the Peak District” due to its well maintained condition and amazing views.'

Kind regards Linda Almeda 86.179.185.169 (talk) 17:51, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Linda. If a reliable source (such as a major newspaper, or a book from a reputable publisher), independent of the club, has published information about the club, then that information could possibly be added to the article, cited to that independent publication - though it would also require consensus that the information was encyclopaedic. But Wikipedia has almost no interest in what an organisation wants to say about itself: normally, only if people unconnected with the club have thought it worth writing about will it meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata interwiki links - Blackcurrant

Resolved

The French article fr:Cassis (fruit) has three "Autres langues" links: en, es, and ja. But when I clicked on "Modifier les liens" to display the Wikidata page, it it displays not a single one. It turns out, the three linked articles all are connected with the French article about the plant, fr:Ribes nigrum; it just so happens that French is the only Wikipedia that makes that distinction. Therefore, three questions:

1. Why does fr:Cassis (fruit) display these three?
2. Why don't these three links get displayed in the Wikidata page?
3. What should be done in a case like this? It obviously is desirable to allow a user to navigate from the French article about the fruit to any other language article that covers that fruit, regardless if that article happens to cover the plant as well. — Sebastian 20:06, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

The french article is "doing it by hand", the way it was done before wikidata, and the end of the article in french, it has [en:Blackcurrant]] [[es:Grosella negra]] [[ja:黒すぐり]]. the Wikidata entry apparently has the english, spanish and japanese articles as well as fr:Ribes nigrum. Given that French splits it, unless the other languages do as well, I believe that is a quite reasonable way to do it.Naraht (talk) 20:37, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, I didn't notice that they did it by hand there. That answers questions 1 and 2.

So, do I understand you correctly that that's the best we can do? It doesn't show all the other links, and I don't think it would make sense to have only the most common languages. For instance, if Occitan gets a corresponding article, it would be useful for users of the French Wikipedia if they knew about it. Is there no way to allow that, say, with something like a redirect? — Sebastian 20:47, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Corresponding article to which? Cassius or Ribes Nigrum?Naraht (talk) 22:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Either, or both, it doesn't matter. The plant and its fruit are obviously closely connected; it will hardly be a problem to talk about both in the same article. That's in all likelihood what a small Wikipedia like that for Occitan would do. — Sebastian 01:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

My question is actually very general. It's neither limited to blackcurrants, nor to any language. It's simply: When an article A in one language corresponds to articles B and C in another, is there any way to use Wikidata (rather than the "by hand" approach) to link from B to A and from C to A? (With symbols: B←→A and C→A.) — Sebastian 02:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

No. That is one of the severe limitations of Wikidata. It is a frequent problem, as there is often not a one-to-one mapping of article subjects from one language's Wikipedia to another. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, that resolves the help desk issue. I presume there must already be a Phabricator ticket, given that it's a frequent problem. Is it this one: phab:T54564? — Sebastian 07:23, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

If I understand that ticket correctly, it only addresses part of the problem. My impression is that the Wikidata developers don't see it as a problem; it is only the editors of articles that realise that it is. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:36, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Saving edit, please wait

Hello, it's my first edit I made today: I just replaced a link and as I tried to save the change, the system hung up with the information "saving edit, please wait" for about 10 minutes. I interrupted the session, edited again, saved again, and the same problem appears. I'm waiting now since about 20 minutes for the saving of the edit, it seems to be hung up again. I'm working with an iPad. Any hints? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keahak (talk • contribs) 22:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

is the link you are trying to add on the blacklist? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:54, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Keahak: It sounds like this may be a problem you are experiencing with your iPad, rather than with Wikipedia. I would try refreshing the page, or failing that restarting your iPad. Thanks, --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 22:55, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Help setting up page.

Hello, we were attempting to set up a page for Mr. Kendal Wade. However, we are very confused on how to set up such a page. Can you please hello. We have all of his information. we began the page and copied some information from another Wiki page to see how it look but we think our page may have been flagged because of that. please help if you can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theprojectforchange (talk • contribs) 23:59, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Check out Your First Article for tips and guidance on getting started. You should also read the conflict of interest guidelines. RudolfRed (talk) 00:25, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

"The Project For Change" is Kendal Wade's organization. Regardless of whether we approve of the organization or not, the effort to create an article about your leader, boss, client or self is a violation of our rules on conflict of interest, paid editing, or possibly autobiography. The account with an organization name has been given a causeblock. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:33, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Theprojectforchangte. It might help to realise that "setting up a page" is not what we do here. This is an encyclopaedia, not a directory or social media: what we do is write (neutral) articles about subjects. If an article is created about Wade, it will be required to be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with Wade or with the Project have been written, and neither Wade nor the Project will have any control over what goes on there. Anything the least bit promotional will be likely to get removed. --ColinFine (talk) 13:24, 5 November 2015 (UTC)